RGIII: Great QBs don't play well if teammates don't

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  • #12038
    TackleDummy
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    RGIII said: If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Peytons (Manning) and the Aaron Rodgers, those guys don’t play well if their guys don’t play well,”

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000429797/article/rgiii-great-qbs-dont-play-well-if-teammates-dont

    Anyone still wish we had drafted RGIII? I sure don’t.

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    #12053
    jimiramsboy
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    Teammate DeSean Jackson opted to articulate that sentiment far more concisely. Jackson posted the following image on his Instagram page: “You can’t do epic sh-t with basic people.” He linked to the message via Twitter, saying “this how I’m feeling today.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

    I wonder to whom Desean is referring?

    I don’t recall anything like this in college with RGIII. I can’t help but wonder if the way Snyder has treated him and interposed his relationship in between RGIII and the coaching staff has caused some of it.

    That Rams game in his rookie year gave some insight into how things were going to go for him I think. The Rams smacked him around pretty good in that POS quasi college offense the Shanahan’s were running. There was no way a QB built like RGIII was going to be able to play that style with men hitting him instead of boys.

    Like SJ39 said this isn’t the Big 12 anymore.

    And then he came off as so whiny in his post game comments about the way the Rams played.

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    #12057
    Avatar photowv
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    Teammate DeSean Jackson opted to articulate that sentiment far more concisely. Jackson posted the following image on his Instagram page: “You can’t do epic sh-t with basic people.” He linked to the message via Twitter, saying “this how I’m feeling today.”

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

    I wonder to whom Desean is referring?

    I don’t recall anything like this in college with RGIII. I can’t help but wonder if the way Snyder has treated him and interposed his relationship in between RGIII and the coaching staff has caused some of it.

    That Rams game in his rookie year gave some insight into how things were going to go for him I think. The Rams smacked him around pretty good in that POS quasi college offense the Shanahan’s were running. There was no way a QB built like RGIII was going to be able to play that style with men hitting him instead of boys.

    Like SJ39 said this isn’t the Big 12 anymore.

    And then he came off as so whiny in his post game comments about the way the Rams played.

    Not disagreeing but just adding that Peyton is a
    pretty good QB — and he’s also pretty Whiny.
    Unlike Eli.

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    #12066
    jimiramsboy
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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000429995/article/gruden-rgiii-not-even-close-to-good-enough-vs-bucs?campaign=Twitter_atn

    Another Washington Redskins coach appears to be running low on patience for Robert Griffin III.

    Jay Gruden was blunt in his assessment of his starting quarterback one day after Griffin struggled mightily in Washington’s 27-7 home loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

    “Robert had some fundamental flaws,” Gruden said. “His footwork was below average. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took one-step drop when he should have taken three on a couple occasions and that can’t happen. He stepped up when he didn’t have to step up and he stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times.

    “So, from his basic performance just critiquing Robert, it’s not even close to good enough to what we expect from the quarterback position.”

    Gruden pointed out that Griffin missed on multiple deep-ball throws to DeSean Jackson, calling it a “big difference in the game.”

    “Josh McCown hit his three with Mike Evans,” referring to Evans’ 207-yard receiving day. “We missed DeSean three times.”

    Gruden was also asked about postgame comments in which Griffin said a quarterback only plays well if his teammates do their job. Jackson appeared to respond to Griffin’s comments with a pointed Instagram message.

    “First of all, Robert needs to understand he needs to worry about himself No. 1 and not everybody else,” Gruden said. “… It’s my job to worry about everybody else. Yes, everybody else needs to improve, but it’s not his place. His place is to talk about himself and he knows that. He just elaborated a little too much and he’ll learn from it. He’s 24 years old.”

    Griffin played poorly against a bad Bucs team, then compounded matters by saying the wrong things to the media. Now Gruden has to clean up the mess — and he doesn’t sound happy about it. RGIII appears to be on thin ice with the franchise that once saw him as its savior.

    Twitter handle is @jimiramsboy

    #12070
    cgsuddeath
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    That’s the point I’ve been trying to make in regards to Bradford.

    #12075
    jimiramsboy
    Participant

    Not having been on here very much since training camp forgive me what point about Bradford are you referring to?

    For the record I think they should move on even if he is open to a much lesser cap number

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    #12080
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Not having been on here very much since training camp forgive me what point about Bradford are you referring to?

    For the record I think they should move on even if he is open to a much lesser cap number

    And do what?

    I don’t see any better options out there at any price.

    #12086
    TackleDummy
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    For the record I think they should move on even if he is open to a much lesser cap number

    For next year Bradford gives the Rams the best chance for success. No, I would not put all my eggs in the Bradford basket. But if Bradford returns to the Rams (not a sure thing by any means), and if Bradford stays healthy throughout the preseason (also not a sure thing), then he will win the starting QB role hands down. If he can play for 16 games, which he has done twice (and only twice) the Rams offense will be much improved because of Bradford.

    There is no veteran qb who will be available who can compete with Bradford nor whom would be the quarterback of the future.
    There is no rookie qb who could beat out a healthy Bradford. And there will be no rookie qb who is anywhere near surefire.
    And a healthy Bradford will easily beat out a healthy Hill and a healthy Davis.
    The probability that Bradford can stay healthy and lead the Rams is better than any other choice.

    BTW — my guess at this point for the Rams quarterbacks for the 2015 season would be Bradford, Davis (not Hill) and a draftee. Davis is young and will improve. Hill is getting old and will not improve. I hope there is a value quarterback who will be available for the Rams by at least the third round. I would not at all object to drafting one in the first round. But Bradford will still be the best of the Rams quarterbacks.

    #12089
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i doubt he’ll even be ready to play by the beginning of next season. if he is, good on him. but that’s two tears of the same ligament in less than a year. he needs to be cut and signed for a lower number.

    #12190
    Avatar photozn
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    Robert Griffin III – QB – Redskins

    Based on conversations with the Redskins’ old coaching staff, ESPN’s Steve Young stated that he knows Robert Griffin III “doesn’t put the time in.”
    “I’ve talked to his previous coaches, people I really trust and admire, that know quarterbacks,” Young said. “He doesn’t put the time in.” Current Redskins coach Jay Gruden all but confirmed Young’s comments by recently stating Griffin has “fundamental flaws” and his footwork is “not even close” to where it needs to be. On Wednesday, Gruden continued to dance around the topic and paint a rose-colored picture. “He could do more probably,” Gruden acknowledged, “[but] he studies himself and he comes back with ideas the following day. Whether he’s here or not, there’s a lot of work you can do. … I really think he works hard at it. He puts his work in.” Dan Snyder will probably have to decide between RG3 and Gruden this offseason.
    Source: ESPN.com

    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7406/robert-griffin-iii

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    Jay Gruden OK with RG III’s work habits

    November 19, 2014

    By John Keim

    http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/13092/jay-gruden-ok-with-rg-iiis-work-habits

    ASHBURN, Va. — Steve Young took a jab at Washington Redskins quarterback Robert Griffin III’s work ethic, based on conversations he’s had with previous coaches. But coach Jay Gruden said he’s fine with the work Griffin does to prepare for games.

    Gruden said Griffin “does what he’s supposed to do.” And the fact that he can watch film of opponents or their own practices on his iPad at home makes it easier.

    “He could do more probably, [but] he studies himself and he comes back with ideas the following day,” Gruden said. “Whether he’s here or not, there’s a lot of work you can do. There’s a lot of different ways to communicate now than it was back in the 80s when Steve played … I really think he works hard at it. He puts his work in.”

    In the offseason, Gruden pointed out a couple times how hard Griffin worked and not just in the weight room. In the first two years, one complaint from the coaches was that Griffin perhaps spent more time working out in the weight room and needed to devote more time to the other aspects of the position.

    Young, who played three years for Mike Shanahan when Shanahan was an offensive coordinator in San Francisco, said in an interview on “The Michael Kay Show” on ESPN New York, “I’ve talked to his previous coaches, people I really trust and admire, that know quarterbacks,” Young said. “He doesn’t put the time in.”

    Young also compared studying in the NFL to going to law school, which he attended.

    “I’m telling you, studying for week-to week in the NFL, and memorization, and reflexive recall … you have to drive it into your brain so far. Especially playmakers, guys that can use their legs, it’s like they’re not desperate. Guys that can’t use their legs are naturally more desperate, so they’ll put more of the time in … Even [in] this watered-down version of the NFL, the quarterback, still, the success is really about expertise and data management. Reflexive recall of data, and that’s just pure memorization. It’s boring May, June, July work, and going to school. It’s as difficult of a process of memorization as it was for me in law school.”

    #12262
    Avatar photozn
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    Tipsheet: Rams make strides while RG III stumbles

    By Jeff Gordon

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/tipsheet-rams-make-strides-while-rg-iii-stumbles/article_46accdec-5bde-5e2f-b38b-ed494ac7ec61.html

    The RG III Trade looks better for the Rams with each passing week.

    The Rams collected a mother lode of draft picks from the Washington You Know Whos for the rights to draft Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. And while the RG III situation gets worse by the week with that dysfunctional team, the Rams are finally making real progress with all their young players.

    The Broncos game was a great example of that. Outside linebacker Alec Ogletree got back to making big plays instead of big mistakes, flying all over the field to make Peyton Manning’s job difficult.

    Wide receiver Stedman Bailey made tough catches for critical first-down conversions. Cornerback Trumaine Johnson made a critical interception.

    These were just some of the guys the Rams got for RG III. Left tackle Greg Robinson and Janoris Jenkins, two other pieces of the bounty, had some big mishaps in the game.

    But mostly they held up while playing a Super Bowl-caliber team. The resulting 22-7 victory didn’t save another difficult season for the Rams, but it did add another quality victory to the list — proving that this still-maturing team is learning to play with the NFL’s best.

    Aaron Donald, T.J. McDonald, Tre Mason, Brian Quick, E.J. Gaines . . . a lot of guys have taken big steps this season. Give this team steady quarterback play next season and the Rams will contend for the playoffs.

    That brings us to the Washington Redskins. They are not getting steady QB play from RG III.

    SI.com’s Andy Benoit reviewed some Griffin game tape and came away unimpressed:

    Locker room leadership can be overrated. How a quarterback really loses his team is by leaving receivers open on the field. This is Robert Griffin’s biggest problem, and has been throughout his career. What’s most concerning is that he’s leaving receivers on the field out of a variety of formations and against a variety of coverages. The common thread is bad mechanics and a poor sense of timing . . .

    Griffin, who has good arm strength, must play smarter from the pocket and protect the football. It’s especially important because the film shows that he can’t run anymore. There’s an underlying heaviness to his movements that could be attributed to the ankle injury. The quickness and acceleration with which he mesmerized crowds during his rookie season is gone. Maybe it’s only temporary, or maybe not. Given how Griffin played last year, this change could be linked to post knee-surgery rust, which, now nearly two years old, likely wouldn’t shake off.

    Former Redskins tight end Chris Cooley offered a harsh assessment of Griffin for ESPN 980 in Washington D.C., with the Washington Post listening in.

    Here were some highlights:

    “I can’t grade the pass game. Our quarterback does not allow a proper grading of the pass game, because there was something I’ve never seen go on on a football field before.”

    And . . .

    “There was a game plan initially installed, which was not run or operated in any way shape or form the way it should have been. There was a quarterback not reading the field when he should have been, there was a quarterback scrambling when he (shouldn’t have been) . . . You can’t grade anyone else around Robert because of the way Robert played.”

    And . . .

    “And I want this to be really clear as we move forward with this breakdown. I’m not making fun of Robert. I like Robert. I like him as a person. This is not a personal attack. I am not going to make fun of him. I think he handled the media afterward improperly; we’ve discussed that. And I think he played poorly. And because of that, I’m going to now walk you through the game.”

    #12337
    Avatar photozn
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    This whole RG3 thing is just turning bizarre. Recently, the coach went over the entire thing in public, and to me that was just so strange. A coach using a public forum to air out the issues with his qb. Yikes.

    #12539
    TackleDummy
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    Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
    Washington is planning to start Colt McCoy over Robert Griffin III on Sunday at Indianapolis, per a team source

    Could the Rams pickup Griffin in a trade at the end of the season. A 7th rounder maybe? 🙂

    #12541
    Winnbrad
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    Washington is a mess. I don’t know if the Rams would even look at RG3 for anything more than a 6th. But Snyder has proven he doesn’t know football, so anything is possible.

    #12547
    TackleDummy
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    Washington is a mess. I don’t know if the Rams would even look at RG3 for anything more than a 6th. But Snyder has proven he doesn’t know football, so anything is possible.

    Actually, I wouldn’t want Griffin at all. He would be too disruptive I think.

    #12548
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    The legend of RG3 continues. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #12571
    Dak
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    I don’t want the guy\. A QB who can’t see open receivers is not a QB. My guess is that once he lost his speed and elusiveness, he lost his nerve.

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