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October 8, 2023 at 7:15 pm #145976znModeratorroberto clemente@rclemente2121the rams offense has scored just 1 second half td since week 1 (excluding ot) – how is that possible? second half tds: —————– wk2 sfo – 0 wk3 cin – 1 wk ind – 0 wk5 phi – 0 (so far).stafford ranks 33rd out of 34 qbs in 2nd half qb rtg thru wk 4, while the rams offense ranks 28th in 2nd half scoring since wk 2. the rams have been able to put together strong first halves.TurfShowTimes@TurfShowTimesLast 5 Rams plays in Eagles territory: 4 incomplete passes, intentional grounding penalty on Rams, one completion that led to a fumble and 9-yard loss.JAKE ELLENBOGEN@JKBOGENNo moral victories now. The #Rams disappeared in the 2nd half. Had plenty of opportunities to win in the passing game. Eagles barely could stop them but unfortunate miscues from Stafford, pass protection late in the game and the Rams are going to fall to 2-3.1 of 5 Rams Fans@RamseyDa4thScript writers need to give the Rams a new script. This whole second half meltdown followed by an offensive line injury which is then followed by numerous sacks by the opponent, is getting old..Nathan T. K.@TheNathanTKRams ended up manning a decent roster. 2-3 against arguably the toughest five-game schedule in the NFL. Bright future, despite frustrating losses..Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueAhkello Witherspoon has a takeaway in three consecutive games,Stu Jackson@StuJRamsWitherspoon’s second interception this season and third turnover created overall–he has accounted for all three of the Rams’ defense’s takeaways (two INTs, one fumble recovery) so far this season..Cameron DaSilva@camdasilvaIf that ball to Tutu was two two feet to the right, it’s. a63-yard touchdown.Blaine Grisak@bgrisakTSTRams have moments. They certainly compete. Held Philadelphia to just six second half points. However, they lack the depth and consistency for 60-minutes to win these games.October 8, 2023 at 7:42 pm #145981znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueI don’t know that I’ve seen Sean McVay as frustrated in a post-game presser. Pounded lectern in speaking about fixing repeated issues in team w/potential (including himself) and commented on being upset about chip execution on play McClendon was in (thinks Havenstein is ok).October 8, 2023 at 7:50 pm #145984znModeratorLos Angeles Rams UK@LARams_UKEnd of game Rams move to 2-3 in a frustrating loss to the Eagles. A loss to a good team & once again our young guns hung in as long as they could before it fell apart. Potential is there BUT there are missing pieces we need to fill to realise it. Onto the Cardinals next week..Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueRob Havenstein off the field with training staff, Warren McClendon in at RT. Rams on the field on fourth and 12 with a brand new RT..Fishkiller@FV_Mylia_LynnRams lost. I’m not surprised. Expected them to lose to the Eagles today. Eagles have best OL in NFL & a top-5 DL. 1st half got my hopes up but the offense continued its 2nd half ineptitude & the Eagles OL began to impose their will as the game wore on..Blaine Grisak @bgrisakTST…and that’s the ball game. Rob Havenstein is forced to leave the game. Warren McClendon ends up giving up a sack. Not a situation you wanted to be in as an offense, allowing Eagles pass rushers to pin their ears back and rush..Jourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigueEagles had 23 first downs and were 10-of-12 on third down in initial three quarters. On those third downs, seven were third-and-5 or more. Eagles converted six of those seven.October 8, 2023 at 10:43 pm #145990znModeratorRich@rcoop21It was a Taylor Rapp tackling clinic by the Rams today.October 9, 2023 at 3:50 pm #146014znModerator
Rodrigue: These L.A. Rams are still waiting to meet their own potential
Jourdan Rodrigue
INGLEWOOD, Calif. — It would be fair, I think, to look at these Los Angeles Rams from a couple of perspectives at the same time: that of the optimist, and that of the pessimist.
After a 23-14 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles on Sunday, just a week after the exhilaration of an overtime win in Indianapolis, I want to create space for both because I think both are true.
The optimist: This team is better than expected. Remember those expectations throughout the spring and summer, or lack thereof? The old, injury-riddled quarterback Matthew Stafford, the aging (and also injury-riddled) receiver Cooper Kupp, the “no-name” defense with a bunch of young dudes and star Aaron Donald as their chaperone? Fourteen rookies on the 53-man roster? Tanking? Projections of flat-out a– kicking by teams far worse than the Super Bowl-contending Eagles? Remember?
It’s not the conversation around this group now, but now there are also expectations.
The pessimist: The Rams’ issues seem largely self-inflicted, they certainly were Sunday against a physical, multiple and well-built Philadelphia team that doesn’t often allow much margin for error. Head coach Sean McVay said as much when literally pounding the lectern in his post-game news conference.
“There (are) opportunities that I know we’re capable of making, and then we’ve just gotta be able to string it together,” he said. “I believe that this team is capable of making those plays. I know they are capable of making those plays. … I’m not making excuses at all, because we expect to accelerate our progression, and I believe in this group. (But I) am disappointed with the inability to play off of one another. …
The pessimist (and the realist): There was little support from the offense, and 23 points allowed should have been enough to win. Still, the Rams’ defense also allowed too many explosive plays (seven plays over 15 yards, including five pass plays and a Jalen Hurts scramble) and was a disaster on third down, especially third-and-long. The Eagles were 13 of 18 on third down, but of the 10 plays that were third-and-5 or longer, the Rams gave up seven conversions including a touchdown.
Some of the more glaring breakdowns keep happening. In losses to the Eagles and in Week 2 against the rival 49ers, defensive gaffes in late-clock situations especially right before halftime have dramatically impacted the game. Sunday, with about 30 seconds left in the second quarter, starting cornerback Derion Kendrick gave up a one-handed outstretched catch to receiver A.J. Brown on third-and-1 and Brown raced down the field toward the end zone. Kendrick, who did know he had to try to bring Brown down in-bounds, was flagged for a costly horse-collar penalty on the play while attempting to do so.
“That was tough,” McVay said, “It was almost identical to the way that things played out against the 49ers. It was, in some instances, deja vu. We gotta figure out how (we can) be better in some of those situations.”
The sequence got the Eagles to the Rams’ 14-yard line, and Kendrick was flagged for pass interference on the next play. That got the Eagles to the 1-yard line, where they were gifted the opportunity to run their highly effective “tush push” play, and took a 17-14 lead into halftime.
“S—, third-and-1, I should have played off (coverage) instead of pressing,” Kendrick said, “(he) just made a good catch, for real. And then on the P-I … I was on top, digging back for the ball (and) trying to play through him. They said I pulled him. I just keep playing the way I’m playing, some refs are going to call it and some ain’t. And I’d say on two plays, I just (have to) stay stickier to the receiver. On the play where I got the horse collar, I’d say I’d probably (next time) play his top shoulder more instead of trying to undercut it. I probably had someone (a help player) flashing back in my window to knock his head off.”
McVay said he likes the way Kendrick competes and reiterated the need for the entire team to play “all four quarters.” He cited their failed drive coming out of the half, including their inability to turn an interception by cornerback Ahkello Witherspoon into points. Stafford agreed.
“In the same respect,” Stafford said, “our defense goes out and gets a turnover, you know Ahkello (Witherspoon) makes a great pick on a tough drive, a long drive, and shoot, gives us life. And we don’t go score. I mean, there are just opportunities for both sides of the ball to just grab the momentum and kind of run with it. We weren’t able to do it.”
The optimist: Many of the Rams’ issues are self-inflicted, and can be corrected. While Stafford and Kupp were automatic in a target-heavy first half of Kupp’s return from a hamstring injury, connecting for six catches for 95 yards (including crucial third- and even fourth-down conversions), the two missed each other on a couple of throws in the second half and Kupp was limited to 23 yards during that time. On two deep balls against what Stafford would normally consider favorable man-coverage, they had timing issues (those specifically are timing throws, Stafford reiterated) in part because of how the Eagles were playing Kupp off the line of scrimmage, including trying to make contact through the motion concepts that usually get the receivers clean releases.
“Those are plays that I believe that we’ll hit, those are looks that we’re looking for,” McVay added.
A play in the fourth quarter called for running back Kyren Williams as chipping help for rookie tackle Warren McClendon, suddenly in the game in place of veteran right tackle Rob Havenstein as the Rams went for it on fourth-and-12 from their own 41-yard line with 2:50 left to play (that was when they went for it, by the way, not on fourth-and-5 from their 42-yard line with 10:05 left to play, sigh). Stafford was sacked for a loss around that right side.
While it is a fixable moment (optimism!), McVay uncharacteristically voiced pointed frustration about the failure there.
“I saw us not do a good job of chipping. We had a chip on that right there, (but) we accelerated (Haason) Reddick into a rush,” McVay said, “that was really poor execution on our part. Those are the things that make me very upset.”
The pessimist: Some self-inflicted problems are becoming patterns, or are shadows of long-established problems. Down just three points at the start of the third quarter, the Rams, who started the second half on offense, ran three consecutive pass plays (one a penalty) and only converted a very long third-and-26 run because of a flag for a facemask against Williams. Through the entire third quarter, McVay called a 10-to-3 pass/run ratio, even though the Eagles didn’t score.
“I thought we were getting off looks that we wanted,” he said, “I just think the margin for error was really small.”
When the passes stalled, the Rams’ offense was sent off the field too quickly (giving a possession team like the Eagles plenty of time to run their top-of-sheet game plan). The Rams couldn’t sustain their second-half drives on the other side of a six-point effort by their defense.
Witherspoon intercepted Hurts in the end zone midway through the third quarter, and the Rams’ offense couldn’t score on the gifted possession.
“Huge turnover, Ahkello gets that pick in the end zone,” Kupp said, “that is something that you want to turn into points offensively. We just kind of stalled out there, we didn’t execute as well as we should against a good Eagles team that possesses the ball like they do. They really make you play a really good game offensively, and we had too many mistakes. Felt like it was right there, right there for us.”
After a 168-yard, two-touchdown first half, the Rams managed just 81 net yards in the third and fourth quarters.
The Rams have struggled in the second half of four of their five games this season, and are averaging only 6.3 second-half points per game in their last three, the fourth-worst in the NFL.
“We gotta go back and watch the film, really watch the film and see what that is,” Kupp said. “At the end of the day, it comes down to us executing. You see a lot of stuff in the first half, and you kind of see the patterns, see what you’re getting. They make some adjustments, we gotta come out and we gotta be able to adapt and respond to that. I’m not saying coaches, I’m saying as players. You gotta run your routes and understand that things are gonna be different. You might be running the same route, but they’re playing it differently. Second half, they made some adjustments. (We need to) try to give Sean, give Matthew the widest range of successful outcomes no matter what look you’re getting and I think we gotta do a better job of that. We’ll be critical of ourselves watching this film tomorrow.”
So, it’s a little of both ends of the emotional spectrum. After a game like this, it’s OK to be an optimist, a pessimist, or both at the same time. It’s all true, if you think about it.
And whichever way you lean about these Rams, the singular, bald truth is this: The fans of this team, and the players on it, and the coaches and the front office are all waiting to meet their own potential.
We’ve seen their potential, much like we’ve seen their ability to legitimately play complementary football. We’ve all seen the proof, if they can just get out of their own way and keep growing in the process.
“I think you see it in spurts,” Stafford said. “It’s just, can you go out there and do it for the full game? And I don’t know if you’re going to do it on every single drive, but can the standard be a little bit better, to just go out and execute at a higher level?
“I know we are doing everything we can, putting in the work. Continue to work, trust that work that we do put into it on a weekly basis, (and) go out there and trust yourself on game day. It’s never going to be perfect. Football is played in the gray. … But just go out there and do everything you can to be fundamentally sound, go out there and execute. Let the chips fall where they may, at that point.”
October 12, 2023 at 6:15 pm #146092znModeratorThree Rams things: What’s up with the offense in the second half?
..THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. — In a Los Angeles Rams season that will be unpredictable, at times chaotic and always interesting, we’re going to learn a lot about the young and older players (and their coaches) each week.We’ll put the most interesting or relevant of these developments here, in nicely organized sections. Just for you!
This week, some of the bad patterns the Rams have fallen into on either side of the ball are in focus.Plus, I introduce a new section: “Knows Ball Anonymous,” where I seek out a coach, player, analyst, scout or executive to talk me through one behind-the-scenes moment of their choosing, anonymously. These could be Rams-specific people and topics, or perspective gleaned beyond the portable trailers at Cal Lutheran University … the point is you’ll hear from the people who know ball about something they find interesting.
What’s up with the second-half offense?
The Rams repeatedly see success on their opening (and scripted) drives, but have largely struggled in the second halves of games this season.
In fact, the only time the Rams have scored at least seven points in both halves this season was their Week 1 win at Seattle (I am not counting overtime points at Indianapolis). For that reason, I will extrapolate the significant statistics from Weeks 2-5:
Quarters 1-2 average: 44.5 percent early down rush rate, 0.42 EPA/dropback in first quarters and 0.20 EPA/dropback in second quarters, 194.3 yards/first half, 139.1 passing yards/first half, 12.3 first downs, 46.5 percent third-down conversion rate, 55.3 rushing yards.
Quarters 3-4 average: 24 percent early down rush rate (contextually, some of this is within a deficit but see additional statistics below), -0.46 EPA/dropback in third quarters and -0.10 EPA/dropback in fourth quarters, 135.5 yards/second half, 100 passing yards/second half, 8.6 first downs, 22.2 percent third-down conversion rate (including 11.1 percent third-down conversion rate in third quarters), 35.5 rushing yards.
Yikes!
“I’ve seen a lot of really encouraging glimpses and now the challenge is, how do we accelerate our ability to play at a consistently high level, one quarter, two quarters, oh and then by the way, third and the fourth quarter so that we’re able to finish out games?” McVay said. “There’s always a thought process on our end of what (it looks) like to emphasize those things within a practice setting? And then how does it ultimately come to life? But these guys are coachable as hell. They respond the right way. They’ve got a great demeanor about themselves.”
Star receiver Cooper Kupp, who returned from a hamstring injury last week, spent his time on injured reserve as a “coach” of sorts. I asked him postgame on Sunday for his analysis from that perspective and from a player’s perspective about those half-to-half issues.“At the end of the day, it comes down to us executing. You see a lot of stuff in the first half, and you kind of see the patterns, see what you’re getting. They make some adjustments, we gotta come out and we gotta be able to adapt and respond to that,” Kupp said. “I’m not saying coaches, I’m saying as players. You gotta run your routes and understand that things are gonna be different. You might be running the same route, but they’re playing it differently. Second half, they made some adjustments. (We need to) try to give Sean, give Matthew the widest range of successful outcomes no matter what look you’re getting and I think we gotta do a better job of that.”
Last week I co-wrote, with brilliant co-worker Ted Nguyen, a deep dive into how McVay has evolved his offense once again with both borrowed and invented innovations and schematic wrinkles. When it’s clicking, it’s really impressive stuff.
At the same time, it’s fair to keep track of things like the above, which make the Rams an incomplete offense despite their schematic potential.
(And, before I dive into the comment section … yes, I did already write about repeated issues the Rams’ defense has had in late-clock scenarios.)
Nitpicking situational decisions
I’m picking at details here. I am not arguing that the decisions below lost the game. However, because there is some inconsistency in the Rams’ late-down decision-making, I think it’s fair to track those (and ask about the theory behind them).
With 10:07 left in the fourth quarter Sunday, the Rams had a fourth-and-5 on their own 42-yard line. The Eagles were up 20-14, and while the Rams’ defense was, to that point in the second half, not allowing touchdowns — they also were not getting off the field quickly (and their offense wasn’t sustaining drives). McVay opted to punt, after calling three pass plays (two incomplete, one got five yards to Kupp). He said on Monday he didn’t consider going for it at that time, because it was “still a one-possession game” at that point.I asked McVay, who more than once lauded the Eagles’ ability to be a possession offense (meaning they are capable of keeping possession for extra-long amounts of time), was there any discussion about being more aggressive through the game on late downs to try to keep the ball out of their hands? The Rams did go for, and get, a fourth-down conversion en route to a touchdown in the first quarter, which McVay cited in his response.
“My thought process was, on the third down and 5, we got the exact look that we wanted (and) weren’t able to get an execution in that instance right there (it was an incomplete deep timing throw to Kupp),” he said, “(and) I felt like our defense got a couple stops that were key and critical (to that point). … Based on the way that Ethan (Evans) had punted and where we were at, I didn’t want to give them possible field position right there where they could make it a nine-point game. In hindsight, knowing that they’d go down and end up converting to a field goal, of course. But in the moment … I felt like that was best for our team.”
The Eagles responded with a 10-play, 72-yard field goal drive that ate 5:49 off the clock.
On their next drive, which started with 4:06 left in the game, McVay and the Rams had to go for it, this time on fourth-and-12 from their own 41-yard line. Their chip protection (help for rookie right tackle Warren McClendon, suddenly in the game after an injury to Rob Havenstein), failed and Matthew Stafford was sacked for a 13-yard loss.
Pressure under pressure
The Rams rank No. 19 in pressure rate, and are blitzing at a 25.3 percent rate. They are also No. 19 in “time to pressure,” according to TruMedia (the amount of time on average it takes for them to get pressure) at 2.46 seconds, but are fourth-slowest in the NFL to get to sacks, at 3.45 seconds. Contextually the latter can include a few different variables, including facing mobile quarterbacks the last two weeks (Jalen Hurts and Anthony Richardson both were able to extend plays; Hurts especially did so on third-and-long) and cornerbacks covering receivers tighter, for longer.
They are No. 21 in the NFL in pass-rush win rate, ESPN’s metric to assess pass rushing. That number is often even skewed more positively because of Aaron Donald’s own statistics. Donald ranks No. 8 among interior defenders in pass-rush win rate, despite seeing double teams on 60 percent of plays. Donald is also tied for No. 8 in total pressures with 23, and once again is keeping company in the top 10 among outside pass rushers as an interior defender.
No other Rams defender (outside linebacker or interior defensive lineman) cracks the top 20 in this metric. Rookie outside linebacker Byron Young is tied for No. 19 in the NFL in total pressures, however, with 20.“I think that’s a case-by-case (evaluation),” McVay said this week, after I asked him if he was satisfied with the Rams’ pressure production. “There’s so many layers to that question … There have been some instances where we’ve rushed really well. Sometimes that’s bringing four, sometimes that’s bringing five. There’s been some instances where we’ve gotta keep the cup on the quarterback, especially over the last couple of weeks with some of these guys that can extend plays. … I definitely know this, I know that those are plays and specific situations that we’re capable of executing at a more consistent rate. I think that has been reflected in the first month of the season, and yesterday was not the execution that we expect.”
The Rams have not been shy about exploring the pass-rusher market ahead of each season’s trade deadline, and this spring also discussed adding interior defensive line help.
But McVay suggested Wednesday that they won’t be as active ahead of this year’s deadline as in seasons past.
“You kind of have to have some resources and different things like that for those to be options,” he said, with a dry smile. “I don’t know that those conversations will be as prevalent as maybe in years past.”
Knows Ball Anonymous
“I was thinking about our O-line, especially over the first four weeks. … For a group that, with so many injuries and stuff last year, nobody really knew what it would look like, I feel like they are doing an unbelievable job, specifically in pass protection. You look across the board, Alaric Jackson has had to face some of the best pass rushers in the league the first five weeks. Steve Avila, who is a rookie, playing out of his mind. Coleman Shelton, who is just an unbelievable athlete. Look at what he’s doing in the screen game! I think his ability out in space is the best I’ve seen. … I feel like his timing has always been impeccable, knowing when to release and how to take a right angle. That’s so hard for those big guys out in space. … At right guard, you know, we’ve kind of moved around a little but Joe (Noteboom) was doing an incredible job. Dot (Kevin Dotson) coming in, then Rob (Havenstein) has been Rob.
“The whole group in general, it’s not like we’ve been calling a bunch of quick-game. We’re calling five-step dropback passes, we’re calling seven-step dropback passes. Those guys are holding up, man. … We’ve provided some chip help, I think we do a good job in our play pass of getting eight hands on guys and handling the fronts that we’ve faced. We’ve faced some unbelievable fronts. … You go back and look at last week, what Philly does when they bring out their “penny” looks. They put their five best rushers on the field. You’ll get Brandon Graham right over the center. Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis as the three-techs, sometimes they’ll put (Derek) Barnett there as the three-tech. You’ve got No. 94 and (Haason) Reddick on the edge. That’s about as hard as you’re gonna get in the NFL. I can specifically think of a few dropback passes we had last week, we’re holding up. … Even on some of the plays where maybe (the offensive line is) getting beat, it’s the strain at the end of it where Matthew (Stafford) is getting just a click longer to stand in there and throw and they’re keeping hands off of him. That’s what really makes the difference in this league, that extra fight.” — Knower of Ball
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