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November 3, 2015 at 9:04 pm #33483znModerator
Practice Report 11/3: Gurley, Peterson Headline Matchup of Strong RBs
By Myles Simmons
Adrian Peterson has long been thought of as one of the best running backs in the league. While he played only one game in 2014 — perhaps ironically against the Rams in Week 1 — the 30-year-old has returned this season in top form. He’s currently No. 3 in yards rushing with 633, and has averaged 4.5 yards per carry.
But Todd Gurley will be on the other sideline, and he has been at least as equally impressive through the first four starts of his NFL career. The rookie out of Georgia already ranks No. 5 in yards rushing with 575, and on Sunday became the only rookie running back in NFL history to rush for at least 125 yards in four straight games.
It’s those performances plus his demeanor off the field that have earned Gurley the respect of his teammates.
“He’s been our best football player on the field,” defensive end William Hayes said, praising Gurley’s work ethic. “He’s a pro already at a young age.”
While Sunday will present a compelling matchup for spectators, Gurley said he’s staying focused on the task at hand.
“I’m just going to go out there and play like I always play,” Gurley said after Tuesday’s practice. “Try to play hard and get a win.”
As a 21-year-old, Gurley in many ways grew up watching Peterson, calling the Vikings’ back “the gold standard.”
“A guy as great as him, everybody is going to look at him and try to model their game after him,” Gurley said. “You can consider him the best.”
There have been plenty of comparisons with Gurley and Peterson, and the Rams running back said he can see why.
“We kind of have the same physique,” Gurley said. “He’s probably a lot more muscular. We both kind of run hard and don’t like to go down.”
Gurley’s teammates were similarly diplomatic when asked about the two backs on Tuesday.
“It’s hard to compare,” defensive tackle Michael Brockers said. “My decision is biased because I love Gurley, like what he’s doing now. But how do you go against AP who’s proven and has the Pro Bowls? We’ll see Sunday.”
“Peterson’s body of work is unheard of,” Hayes said. “He’s been dominating this thing since he came in the league. Gurley is starting off on a good path.
“In this game the older you get you need to realize that a younger guy is going to take that spotlight,” Hayes added. “If he stays healthy, we can probably see some amazing things from Todd Gurley. As long as he keeps grinding and stays the same as he is now, the sky is his limit.”
And so even though the two running backs will be a major point of intrigue all week, it’s Minnesota’s defense that has Gurley’s full attention.
“They’re definitely an extremely physical defense,” Gurley said. “They swarm to the ball fast. It’s not just one person that stands out. They have a lot of good players. Their safeties are hard-hitters. Definitely have to do a great job this week.”
SPECIAL GUEST
With MMA competitors in St. Louis for an event downtown on Friday night, legendary Georgia running back Herschel Walker attended Tuesday’s practice.
“Yeah, how about that? Obviously, he’s involved in the MMA. He’s still, actually, believe it or not at 53 years [old], he’s competing right now,” head coach Jeff Fisher said. “He’s got a couple of guys that are here in town that are competing on Friday night, so we invited him over. So, it’s kind of cool.”
“I’m really lucky I never had to tackle him,” Fisher added with a laugh. “That was a scheduling thing.”
Walker gave a small talk to the running backs after practice. Given that Gurley is also a Georgia product, it was a special meeting between the two.
“I think I talked to him over the phone, but I’ve never met him before,” Gulrey said, adding Walker told them, “good job and keep it up. It was good seeing him.”
Our Dani Kluppenger had a chance to catch up with Walker and Gurley after practice. You can watch what they had to say about one another in the videos on this page
November 4, 2015 at 11:02 am #33499znModeratorAdrian Peterson-Todd Gurley matchup pits NFL’s present against its future
Ben Goessling and Nick Wagoner
MINNEAPOLIS — They’ve been compared to one another for reasons beyond their prodigious returns from knee surgery. They both rank in the NFL’s top five in rushing despite being at opposite ends of the career spectrum. And on Sunday, Adrian Peterson and Todd Gurley will get a chance to outdo one another on the same field.
The Minnesota Vikings veteran and the St. Louis Rams rookie will face off Sunday at TCF Bank Stadium in a game that could prove pivotal to the playoff chances of two of the NFC’s up-and-coming teams. Both Peterson and Gurley have quelled the uncertainty about them with strong first halves; Peterson is third in the league with 633 yards after returning from last year’s suspension, while Gurley has averaged a whopping 6.1 yards per carry to post 575 yards on 94 carries after a cautious return from a torn ACL.
To get ready for the matchup between one of the NFL’s great backs of the present and a presumptive star of its future, ESPN Vikings reporter Ben Goessling and ESPN Rams reporter Nick Wagoner put together a tale of the tape on Peterson and Gurley.
VITALS
Peterson is 6-foot-2 and 217 pounds, with a muscular frame carved through years of notoriously fierce workouts. It’s debatable whether Peterson has the same top-end speed he had in his younger years (he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.4 seconds at the NFL scouting combine in 2007). But the running back still has a haymaker of a stiff-arm.
Listed at 6-foot-1, 226 pounds, Gurley cuts the shadow of a classic, big physical back but with sprinter’s speed. Although he didn’t run the 40-yard dash at the combine, Gurley’s estimated time is 4.4 seconds, but he believes he can run faster. The 21-year-old rookie is not even a year removed from the torn ACL he suffered last year at Georgia.
RUNNING STYLE
Peterson dropped to seventh in the 2007 draft in part because of concerns that his upright running style would lead to injuries, but he’s been relatively durable in the NFL while taking his fair share of contact. Peterson is as likely to go through you as around you, and though he might not be the most disciplined back, he runs with a violence that makes him difficult for defenders to handle when he hits the line of scrimmage at full speed.
Gurley has been compared to everyone from Peterson to Marshawn Lynch to Eric Dickerson but the large cross-section of comparisons makes it hard to nail down a simplistic way of describing his style. Gurley has a unique ability to make himself small and quick through the hole but big and powerful against would-be tacklers.
Todd Gurley
Todd Gurley has gained 6.1 yards per carry in his rookie season, accumulating 575 yards despite being brought along slowly.
WHAT HE DOES BESTPeterson has some shiftiness, and certainly made much of his living on cutback runs in the Vikings’ old zone blocking scheme, but his straight-line speed and power make him difficult to bring down. On his longest run of the season — a 75-yarder against the Detroit Lions — he extended the run by about 20 yards after driving his left arm into Glover Quin’s chest, knocking the safety to the ground before Ezekiel Ansah dragged Peterson down.
Gurley prides himself on his ability to keep his legs moving and gain yards after contact. Against Cleveland on Oct. 25, Gurley had 97 yards after contact, the most by any back this season. That ability to break tackles leads to a lot of explosive plays, including a league-leading four runs of 45 or more yards this season.
REASON FOR OPTIMISM SUNDAY
Peterson had one of the biggest days of his career against the Rams three years ago, romping for 212 yards in Week 15, and said he was especially fired up to play the Rams because of how much their defenders talk during games. Peterson has surpassed five yards per carry in four of his last five games.
While Minnesota is 15th in the NFL in rushing yards allowed per game, the Vikings are yielding 4.39 yards per carry, which ranks 25th in the league. Interestingly, the Vikings have been among the best in the league at limiting the types of big plays Gurley is used to making, which means that yards per carry average is a product of giving up yards in shorter but still positive bursts. That means Gurley and the Rams could be more consistent in this matchup.
STRONG RETURN FROM KNEE SURGERY
Peterson’s return in 2012 is now the stuff of legend. He tore his ACL on Christmas Eve 2011, and by the end of May 2012, Peterson was beating Percy Harvin in a few sprints up the hill at the Vikings’ training facility. He started Week 1, and ran for 1,353 yards in the final eight games of 2012 while playing with a sports hernia. He finished just eight yards shy of Eric Dickerson’s single-season rushing record, ending the season with 2,097 yards.
When Gurley was recovering from his knee injury, he used to go on YouTube to watch anything he could find on how players like Peterson and Kansas City’s Jamaal Charles rebounded from the injury. Gurley didn’t bounce back in the nine months that Peterson did, taking about a month and a half longer, but he’s actually been better in his first five games back. Gurley’s 575 yards and three touchdowns are better than Peterson’s 420 yards and two touchdowns upon returning.
ONE THING YOU DIDN’T KNOW
Peterson was an elite high school sprinter in Palestine, Texas, and his coach has said he could have competed in the Olympics had he not played football. Peterson told ESPN last December he had considered retirement during his absence from the NFL, contemplating an attempt at a 2016 Olympic bid in the 200- and 400-meter dashes.
Gurley nearly didn’t play football in high school because he decided that basketball was his first love. After moving to Tarboro, North Carolina, Gurley was a Duke basketball fan and spent more time watching hoops than football. He only took up football because he walked onto the football field looking for a ride during the 2008 season and the coaches badgered him into it
November 4, 2015 at 11:04 am #33500znModeratorTodd Gurley vs. Adrian Peterson: That’s Entertainment
Bernie Miklasz
http://www.101sports.com/2015/11/03/todd-gurley-vs-adrian-peterson-thats-entertainment/
Sunday’s game at Minnesota between the Rams and Vikings is intriguing for a number of reasons. Though both teams are in contention for their respective division titles, this contest will have a direct impact on the formative NFC wild-card race. The Vikings have won three in a row to move up to 5-2. The Rams have won three of their last four games to stamp the franchise’s first winning record (4-3) seven games into a season since 2006. This game amounts to a head-to-head credibility check of two improved teams, with the winner getting a bump in status. Moreover, the Rams and Vikings are similar in composition. Both have offenses that struggle to score — and rigid defenses that refuse to yield.
That’s all swell — but c’mon, admit it …
If you’re a casual NFL fan, you’re probably more interested in the matchup of charismatic running backs.
And that’s understandable. For entertainment value, this is hard to resist: Rams rookie Todd Gurley — so often compared to Adrian Peterson — will be running on Peterson’s home turf for the first time. Gurley, quickly having a breakout season, just notched his first national endorsement contract — for Jolly Rancher candy. Hey, Marshawn Lynch can keep his Skittles.
Obviously, Gurley and Peterson won’t be dueling each other. Gurley won’t be tackling Peterson, and AP isn’t going to be playing safety for the Vikings when the Rams break the huddle. The backs’ real matchup is having to wrestle with the other team’s defense. The Vikings will overpopulate the line of scrimmage in an attempt to become the first NFL defense to prove that Gurley is indeed stoppable over four quarters. And NFL defensive coordinators have spent many a sleepless night trying to figure out a plan to prevent Peterson from threatening their job security with one of his huge rushing days.
Of course, none of this matters. We’ll still be tracking the Gurley vs. Peterson yards on Sunday.
The battle of the backs is undoubtedly the feature attraction here.
And they were meant to share this field on Sunday.
The Vikings chose Peterson from Oklahoma with the No. 7 overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft and have no regrets, with AP compiling 10,823 rushing yards as part of his total 12,645 yards from scrimmage and 94 career touchdowns. Peterson has been voted to six Pro Bowls and selected first-team All-NFL three times, but he’s been sidetracked by problems on his route to Canton and induction onto the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
There was the 2011 knee injury that cut Peterson’s season to 12 games — followed by a remarkable comeback of 2012, when Peterson rushed for 2,097 yards. There was last year’s controversial suspension handed down by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell after Peterson pleaded no contest to misdemeanor reckless assault for “abusive discipline” of his 4-year-old son.
Peterson didn’t play in the final 15 games of 2014, but he’s made a strong return to reaffirm his elite pedigree among the league’s running backs. Peterson is 3rd in the NFL with 633 yards rushing on an average of 20 carries and 90.4 yards per game.
No question, Peterson is still a prime back. But he reached age 30 earlier this year, a time when runners begin to slow because of age, heavy usage, and bodies that absorb too many collisions.
It’s probably too soon to know, but we may be seeing some signs of that with Peterson. I’ll point to some relevant stats in a couple of minutes.
First, let’s reintroduce Gurley — the late-model version of Peterson.
Like Peterson, Gurley went early on in the NFL draft, with the Rams picking him 10th overall (out of Georgia) in May.
Like Peterson, Gurley stands 6-1 in height — but at 226 pounds is listed nine pounds heavier than Peterson.
Like Peterson, Gurley had to overcome a serious knee injury — and is thriving in the aftermath.
Like Peterson, you can see Gurley’s name high on the NFL leader board. And just as Peterson did in his first NFL season (2007) Gurley is making an instant and dramatic impact as a rookie.
Despite missing the first two regular-season games while his mended knee passed all of the necessary tests, Gurley has zoomed to fifth in the NFL with 575 yards rushing.
Gurley evidently is in a hurry to reach Peterson-level status. Since entering STL’s starting lineup four games ago, Gurley has averaged 142 yards rushing per game, 6.45 yards per carry, and has scored three touchdowns. The Rams are 3-1 since launching Gurley as their starter.
Who does Gurley think he is — Adrian Peterson?
Yeah, maybe so.
The Vikings have noted the similarities.
“This guy, Todd Gurley, he’s special,” Minnesota cornerback Captain Munnerlyn told TwinCities.com. “He’s Adrian Peterson all over again. People don’t realize how big he is. He can hit you with the home-run speed. He’s a young Adrian Peterson, but I like our Adrian Peterson better.
As they should.
Gurley, after all, has four NFL starts to his name.
Gurley has a lot to prove — with his long-term endurance and viability at the top of the list.
Peterson ranks 22nd in NFL history in career rushing yards and is 14th with 89 career rushing touchdowns. Peterson’s career average of 97.5 yards rushing per game has been exceeded by only two NFL backs, and both are legends: Hall of Famers Jim Brown (104.3 yards) and Barry Sanders (99.8 yards.)
But as we mentioned earlier, Peterson is 30.
Gurley is 21.
Gurley already is chasing Peterson in the ways that he can. Gurley, for instance, is trending to become the first NFL back to average at least 6 yards per rushing attempt since Peterson in 2012.
“Obviously a big physical guy that has great acceleration and vision,” Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said of Gurley. “We’re going to have to make sure we have a lot of people at the ball … he runs with violence.”
The sample size isn’t enough to fill one of Gurley’s Jolly Rancher candy bags. But Gurley has outperformed Peterson in some illuminating categories so far this season. As usual, I went to Pro Football Focus to check the data that shows more detailed information on a running back’s effectiveness in eluding tacklers — and in gaining yards after contact.
— Pro Football Focus gives a “Breakaway Percentage ” rating to each back. It’s simply calculated: of a running back’s total rushing yards, what percentage of the yards came on runs of 15+ yards? The answer: Gurley has nine runs of 15+ yards which has accounted for 57.2 percent of his rushing total. Peterson has eight rushes of 15+ yards, and a Breakaway Percentage of 42.5 percent. Gurley and Peterson rank No. 1 and No. 2 in the league in breakaway percentage.
— Pro Football Focus gives an “Elusive Rating” to each back. The quickie explanation from PFF: “The elusive rating boils down to a runner’s success beyond the point of being helped by his blockers.” Gurley ranks 8th among NFL backs with an elusive rating of 57.1. And Peterson is 20th with an elusive rating of 32.0. That number is notable because Peterson hasn’t had an elusive-rating score less than 45.5 in a season. Peterson’s 2015 elusive rating, at least to this stage, is a big drop from his career norm.
— Pro Football Focus charts yards gained after contact by the defense. Gurley is averaging 3.13 yards after contact this season, which ranks sixth. Peterson is down on the list, ranking 23rd among backs with an average of 2.16 yards after contact. Peterson has never averaged less than 2.92 yards after contact during a season.
I’m personally more interested in seeing if the Rams are ready to go on the road and drag home a win against a surging Minnesota team that’s on the rise, trailing first-place Green Bay (6-1) by a game in the NFC North standings.
Agreed, Gurley vs. Peterson is an enticing draw. It’s fantasy football.
Peterson will be fired up to show the rookie a little something: that the NFL’s top running back still resides — and presides — in Minnesota. Maybe so. Maybe not.
Either way, Gurley is coming
November 4, 2015 at 11:09 am #33501znModeratorOur early look at the Rams: Vikings will be looking in the mirror
St. Louis should look quite familiar considering two of its greatest strengths are a big, fast, explosive running back and a quarterback-busting pass rush.
By Mark Craig
The Vikings are 5-2 and riding their first three-game winning streak since a four-game playoff charge to end the 2012 regular season. They also return to TCF Bank Stadium, where they’re 3-0 this season and 8-3 under coach Mike Zimmer since the start of last season.
The opponent — St. Louis — should look quite familiar considering two of its greatest strengths are a big, fast, explosive running back and a quarterback-busting pass rush.
Here’s our early look at the Rams …
NEXT UP: St. Louis Rams, noon, TCF Bank Stadium. The Rams (4-3) have won two straight against Cleveland and San Francisco. They opened the season by upsetting the Seahawks 34-31 before losing at Washington (24-10) and at home to Pittsburgh (12-6). Another signature win came at Arizona (24-22) before a mostly lifeless loss at Green Bay (24-10).
KEY INJURIES: Left defensive end Chris Long (knee) has missed the last two games. William Hayes, who was questionable last week with a thigh injury, still started at Long’s spot. … Left guard Rodger Saffold missed the last two games and is on injured reserve with a shoulder injury. He has been replaced by Garrett Reynolds. … Right defensive end Robert Quinn started last week despite being questionable with a knee injury. Safety T.J. McDonald also started despite being questionable with a shoulder injury.
LAST TIME: The Mike Zimmer Era opened with the 2014 season opener at St. Louis. And what a debut it was. Cordarrelle Patterson had three carries for a team-high 102 yards and a touchdown, Matt Cassel threw two touchdown passes in a turnover-free game and free safety Harrison Smith returned an interception 81 yards for a touchdown in a 34-6 win. Adrian Peterson had 75 yards on 21 carries, but his season would end unexpectedly five days later when he became entangled in child-abuse charges.
A LOOK AT THE FILM …
OFFENSE: Wow, these two teams look a lot alike. The most obvious similarity is at running back, where the Rams have a 21-year-old version of Peterson. Todd Gurley, the 10th overall pick, is 6-1, 227 pounds. Peterson, the seventh overall pick, is 6-1, 220. Gurley is lighting up the league a year after suffering a torn ACL. Peterson lit up the league for 2,097 yards in 2012, the year after he tore an ACL. Gurley missed the first two games, didn’t start in the third game and then posted 566 yards in four starts, the most in a player’s first four starts since the merger in 1970.
Gurley is a power back with breakaway speed. And, well, you get the idea. The Rams’ offense ranks 30th overall, third in rushing, 32nd in passing and 28th in scoring. The Vikings rank 29th overall, fifth in rushing, 30th in passing and 24th in scoring.
Both teams have former big-name receivers (Kenny Britt/Cordarrelle Patterson) who have faded down the depth chart. Both have new preferred targets who have emerged this year (Tavon Austin/Stefon Diggs). Both have had to deal with injuries on the line. And both have quarterbacks who aren’t flashy but understand their teams, perform with poise, make good decisions for the most part and can lead successful late-game comebacks if they have to.
Teddy Bridgewater ranks 31st in passer rating (85.5) while Nick Foles ranks 38th (81.6). Bridgewater has thrown six touchdown passes and five interceptions. Foles has thrown seven TDs and five interceptions. Bridgwater is averaging 7.2 yards per attempt. Foles is averaging 7.0.
DEFENSE: The teams are similar here as well. The Rams rank sixth defensively, while the Vikings rank seventh. The Rams do stop the run more consistently, ranking ninth while the Vikings rank 15th but have improved while holding three straight opponents to fewer than 100 yards rushing since their bye week.
Both teams rush the passer very well with extraordinary athletes and sound schemes. The Rams’ Robert Quinn and Aaron Donald rank second among end-tackle tandems with 29 sacks since the start of last season. The Vikings’ Everson Griffen and Tom Johnson rank fifth on that list with 25 sacks.
The Rams have 13 takeaways and 10 giveaways. The Vikings have nine takeaways and eight giveaways. The Rams have allowed only four field goals the past two weeks and rank fourth in points allowed (17.9). The Vikings are second in points allowed (17.4).
RANKINGS: Offense: 30th (3 rushing, 32 passing). Defense 6 (9 rushing, 10 passing). Scoring: 28th (19.3). Scoring defense: 4th (17.4).
STORYLINE: By kickoff, Peterson will have had his fill of being referred to as the second-best running back in the game. Or the old running back in the game. Meanwhile, Gurley will be extra motivated to wrestle the so-called torch from Peterson’s vice grip in his own stadium in front of his own fans. This should be a special showdown, especially for those old enough to remember when great running backs shared the league spotlight with quarterbacks.
STAT OF THE WEEK:
— 8-23
The combined record of the teams the Vikings have beaten this season. They’ve yet to beat a team with a winning record. The Rams have beaten four teams with a combined record of 14-18, including Arizona (6-2) on the road.
TURNOVER MARGIN: Plus-3 (T-8)
They have 13 takeaways and 10 giveaways.
November 4, 2015 at 11:05 pm #33537znModeratorNovember 5, 2015 at 1:00 am #33540znModeratorRams hope history doesn’t repeat itself vs. Vikings
Jim Thomas
As much as the Rams would like to burn the game from their memory, it can’t be avoided. Not this week.
In preparation for Sunday’s contest at Minnesota, in the film room they must relive last year’s 34-6 season-opening humiliation to the Vikings.
“I’d like to forget it,” defensive end Williams Hayes said.
The Rams veteran was coming off multiple offseason surgeries at the time, and had missed additional time in camp and the preseason because of a chest injury.
Looking at that game again this week, Hayes says it might be his worst performance since he arrived in St. Louis in 2012.
“I put a bad product on the field,” he said.
Small consolation, but he had plenty of company that day among his teammates. In fact, it would be difficult to imagine a worse start to what was a season of great expectations.
The storyline was that the third year would be the charm for the Jeff Fisher-Les Snead regime.
Instead, the embarrassing defeat foreshadowed another lost season of Rams football in St. Louis. Starting with that Minnesota game, the team stumbled to a 1-4 start and finished 6-10.
The margin of defeat that day matched the worst for a home season opener in franchise history. And you had to go all the way back to 1937, the inaugural year for the Rams in the NFL, to find that game — a 28-0 loss by the Cleveland Rams to Detroit.
“This is the exact opposite of our expectations. Period, point blank,” offensive lineman Rodger Saffold said after last year’s game.
“Nobody saw this coming,” defensive tackle Michael Brockers said after that contest. “It was like a snowball going downfield. It just kept rolling on …”
The Rams committed 13 penalties for 121 yards that day. Minnesota’s Cordarrelle Patterson, a wide receiver by trade, ran for 102 yards on just three carries, scoring on a 67-yard run on a play in which he lined up in the backfield.
By the start of the third quarter, the Rams were down to Austin Davis at quarterback. He had spent much of that preseason as the team’s fourth-string quarterback. Just 15 days after losing starter Sam Bradford to a season-ending knee injury, the Rams lost Bradford’s replacement — Shaun Hill — to a thigh injury against the Vikings.
So there was chaos at the QB position; Davis hadn’t thrown much to the Rams’ starting wide receivers when he entered the game.
“It was one of those things that happens,” Fisher said. “But I’d like to think we’re a little bit better in all three areas now.”
By the end of that game, it was hard to tell which was louder — the boos from the few Rams fans still in attendance or the chants of “Let’s go Vikings!” by Minnesota fans in the dome.
“It kinda spiraled out of control,” tight end Lance Kendricks said this week. “I remember we just got physically outplayed.”
About the only thing the Rams did well that day was keep the lid on the Vikings’ star running back — Adrian Peterson. He rushed for 75 yards but averaged only 3.6 yards per carry.
“After that game, I was so disappointed,” Peterson told St. Louis reporters Wednesday on a conference call. “Even though we got the ‘W,’ I was disappointed in how I allowed those guys to get free hits and stuff on me. They had me out of character.”
Because of that, Peterson said he is looking forward to playing the Rams this Sunday, in Minneapolis.
If there’s more motivation from Peterson, the same can be said for the Rams. They want to show themselves and the Vikings that they’re not the same team that was dominated last year.
“Yeah, definitely,” Kendricks said. “We took a beating that week. I think it’s important for us come out strong this week, and start fast. Because we’ve yet to start fast this year.”
Hayes said: “It’s a little bit more personal for me this week because the more I look at (that film), the more embarrassed I’m getting. So I’m just gonna go out there and try to put some good stuff on film this week.”
Twenty-two games have passed since then, but the teams still can learn from last year’s contest. They each have new starting quarterbacks. Nick Foles has replaced Bradford in St. Louis and Teddy Bridgewater has replaced Matt Cassel, who was last year’s opening-day starter for the Vikings.
There are new starters sprinkled throughout both lineups. But many familiar faces remain, and for the most part the coaching staffs and the systems are the same on offense and defense.
Fisher likened it to playing a division team the second time around in a season.
“It’s recent,” he said. “They game-planned up. We game-planned them. They made more plays than we did, so we gave up some big plays. We know Norv (Turner) very well. He’s an outstanding coordinator and he’ll have ’em ready to play.”
Turner, a former NFL head coach with Washington, Oakland, and San Diego, is Minnesota’s offensive coordinator.
If the Rams have learned anything from that game, it’s that they have to do more than just contain Peterson to win. And they can’t make the kind of mistakes they made last year, particularly the penalties, and expect to win.
“They’ve got a solid defense,” Kendricks said. “They’re very disciplined and sound in what they do.
“I think we’re such a different team now that I definitely think we’ll play up to our potential this week, especially being on a roll with two (victories) back-to-back. It’d be nice to kinda get out there and get after ‘em, and see if we can pull out a win on the road.”
November 5, 2015 at 1:31 am #33541znModeratorPractice Report 11/4: Starting Faster on Offense
Myles Simmons
The Rams have won their last two games by a combined score of 51-12, but that hasn’t stopped the club from being self critical in order to improve.
That goes especially for the offense. The emergence of running back Todd Gurley has certainly aided the production, as best evidenced by St. Louis’ 3-1 record since the running back became a starter. But as head coach Jeff Fisher has pointed out, getting first downs and third-down efficiency has to get better, especially at this time of year.
Having racked up only 104 first downs and 26 percent of third-down opportunities, there is some clear room for improvement. But with the Rams’ explosive plays, the offense comes in at No. 1 in average yards per carry, No. 3 in yards rushing per game, and No. 12 in overall yards per play.
Gurley, of course, has been at the center of those plays, having amassed runs of 52, 55, 48, and 71 yards in his first four starts. But the offense has gotten good explosive production from others as well. For instance, Tavon Austin and Jared Cook had receptions of 66 and 49 yards, respectively, against the 49ers.
But if there’s been one common theme over the last few weeks, it’s that St. Louis would like to start faster offensively. While opponents have outscored the Rams 40-19 in the first quarter, they have clearly been able to make adjustments. The team has outscored opponents 44-28 in the second quarter, and 38-16 in the third.
All of that encompasses the fact that St. Louis would like to get into a rhythm earlier in games. That, of course, is easier said than done.
“That’s something we’ve talked about this week because you’d like to start fast,” offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti said Wednesday. “So, you look at the scheme. You look at the personnel. It’s something we’re evaluating every day.”
As tight end Jared Cook put it, the Rams must continue to build confidence during the week that on the first drive, the ball will end up in the end zone.
“A lot of times, it does take time for an offense to kind of adjust and see how the defense is playing, and see what they’re running,” Cook said. “But most of the time, you know what they’re running. Defenses don’t change. So I just think it’s all about going out there and making the plays work.”
While it’s not an excuse, some of the struggles have just come from the team still getting used to playing with one another. After all, St. Louis did promote a new offensive coordinator, import a new quarterback, and insert three new offensive linemen into the starting lineup for the start of the season.
“We’re still working, we’re still building,” Cook said. “Nick [Foles] is still learning us individually — who we are, who our personalities are. And we’re going to continue to grow and get better at doing that. You can only simulate it so much in practice. The only way to really work on it is live games.”
To that end, Cook said the offense is continuing to jell the more Sundays they play together.
“Chemistry and timing is something that nobody can predict in the National Football League, and it’s hard to come by,” Cook said. “So that’s something that we’re all still working on.”
There has been clear progress, though, as evidenced by the club’s record. Cook credited Gurley’s emergence as a significant factor in that.
“To have a back who’s unlike anyone I’ve ever seen before with my own eyes — it’s special,” Cook said. “It’s something that we have to take advantage of on offense. It helps open up the whole game collectively as an offense. But, you have to make it work in terms of stretching the field, pushing the ball down the field.”
And so as the season gets to its midpoint, Cook said he feels like the offense is growing and getting better together. Now it’s just a matter of putting things together and executing properly to start games by putting points on the board.
“It’s just about sustaining drives and starting fast from jump,” Cook said. “It’s knowing in everybody’s mind that lines up out there, we’re going to go right down and score.”
INJURY REPORT
The Rams had a few players appear on Wednesday’s injury report. Chris Long (knee), Robert Quinn (knee), William Hayes (thigh), Chase Reynolds (thigh), and Rob Havenstein (ankle) did not practice. T.J. McDonald (foot) and Tre Mason (ankle) both practiced on a limited basis.
Though Havenstein was sidelined Wednesday, Fisher was optimistic on the right tackle’s possible status later in the week.
“We’ve got him immobilized right now. He’s doing much better,” Fisher said. “We’re hoping to get him back on the field on Friday. So, we’ll see.”
WATTS SUSPENDED
Running back Trey Watts has been suspended indefinitely for violating the NFL Policy and Program for Substances of Abuse. Watts’ suspension begins immediately.
Fisher said the team has not yet made a decision on who may replace the running back on the active roster.
COACHING CONNECTIONS
Before Fisher began his long career as a player and coach in the NFL, he played his college football at USC. And that’s where the Rams’ head coach first got to know current Vikings’ offensive coordinator Norv Turner.
“Coach Turner and I walked on the USC campus together,” Fisher said. “I walked on as a freshman, and he walked on as an assistant coach. So, I’ve known him for that long. He actually coached me early in my career. Then, when I moved over to secondary, he coached the defensive backs our senior year there. So, then we kind of went on. Then, crossed paths in 1991 with the Rams for a couple weeks. He was a receiver coach, and then he went on to Dallas as the offensive coordinator. So, we’ve been basically facing him or facing each other or coaching against him really since ’91.
“By the way, he didn’t know what he was talking about in our senior year at SC, because the other three guys are all first-round picks. So, Norv never had to say anything,” Fisher joked. “He just let us play.”
November 6, 2015 at 9:31 am #33650znModeratorVikings vs. Rams Preview
Most of the time when I start writing my weekly Vikings previews I know who I’m picking to win and I build my narrative around it. But honestly I’m a little stumped this time around. I have already gone back and forth with my pick more times than Aaliyah. The Vikings and Rams have some amazing strengths, glaring weaknesses, and striking similarities. Both teams are also trying to beat formidable odds to fight their way into the playoffs. Minnesota and St. Louis are currently the 6th and 7th seeds in the NFC respectively; the Vikings have made the playoffs in only three of the past ten seasons while the Rams haven’t qualified for the postseason since 2004. Beating that 800-pound gorilla is no easy task for these teams but both seem like they could be on the cusp.
As they say in boxing, styles make fights. Since this looks like it could be a good old fashioned slobberknocker, I’m going to the tale of the tape to help decide. I’ll break down the major matchups in this bout of up and coming contenders to see who I’ll pick. Let’s start with the main event.
Adrian Peterson vs. Todd Gurley
It’s the classic boxing movie matchup–the veteran champion out to prove he still has it versus the undefeated up-and-comer looking to show the world that he’s the new standard. Adrian Peterson has arguably been the best running back in the league since he burst on the scene in 2007. Todd Gurley has only played five professional football games in his career but it already looks like he’s gunning for Peterson’s title. Exactly two running backs in NFL history have rushed for over 100 yards in four of their first five games; both will be starting at TCF Bank Stadium on Sunday afternoon.
If you have read anything about Gurley in the past couple weeks, you’d think that he was Adrian Peterson 3.0–an unstoppable blend of Gale Sayers, LeBron James, Barry Sanders, and Wolverine. This was an actual quote from an SB Nation article. Not Turf Show Times, but from our parent site:
Todd Gurley doesn’t really need blockers. He just needs some vague hint of sunshine to ping-pong his way through a sweaty mass of humanity.
Look. I get it. The dude is electrifying. He’s fast, he can break tackles, and if you don’t cover your gaps, this happens:
But Gurley’s season has been more similar to Peterson’s than you might think. Just like AP, Gurley has toiled behind some pretty poor blocking and has been stopped near the line of scrimmage on a large portion of his runs. Like Peterson, most of Gurley’s gaudy stats are racked up on a handful of “home run” plays while the rest of his touches have minimal success.
IF YOU HAVE READ ANYTHING ABOUT GURLEY IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS, YOU’D THINK THAT HE WAS ADRIAN PETERSON 3.0–AN UNSTOPPABLE BLEND OF GALE SAYERS, LEBRON JAMES, BARRY SANDERS, AND WOLVERINE.
Speaking of success, Football Outsiders has a statistic for running backs called Success Rate. You can read all about what goes into it here, but basically it represents a back’s consistency. Success Rate is measured by successful running plays (the definition of success being different based on down and distance) divided by total running plays. Gurley has a Success Rate of 45% this season. Peterson: 44%.Am I still terrified of what Gurley might do? Of course. He will definitely be the #1 priority for the Vikings defense on Sunday. But let’s hold off on comparing him to Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson for now.
Advantage: Push. Which is pretty amazing since we’re comparing one of the best backs ever to a guy that has played five games.
Stefon Diggs vs. Tavon Austin
This is like one of those flyweight matchups on the undercard that nobody pays attention to until they start throwing haymakers for ten rounds. Both Diggs and Austin were only supposed to make noise in the return game this year; neither was being taken seriously as a viable wide receiver threat this early in their careers.
It’s obviously time to take both of them seriously. Austin gives the St. Louis offense another home run threat every time he touches the ball. He quickly turned a simple screen into points last week against the 49ers:
Austin might be a better big play threat but Diggs is already doing everything you could ask for from a young receiver.
Advantage: Vikings. But just a slight one, and only if Diggs is 100%. (I hate writing these previews to post on Thursday when it comes to injuries.)
The rest of the passing targets
This is the undercard fight that only got booked because one of the promoters owed a favor to one of the fighters’ second cousins. Outside of Diggs and Austin both teams have a murderer’s row of disappointment when it comes to pass catchers.
Mike Wallace, Jarius Wright, Kyle Rudolph, and Charles Johnson have combined for 719 yards this season. Antonio Brown has 718 and he had to deal with Mike Vick and Landry Jones for a month! It isn’t any better for the Rams: Jared Cook, Kenny Britt, Stedman Bailey, and Brian Quick have combined for 693. There are six individual receivers with more yardage this season. Yikes.
Advantage: Nobody. Both fighters threw in the towel here.
Teddy Bridgewater vs. Nick Foles
This should have been the fight right before the main event between two young fighters poised to contend for the belt in the coming years. Instead it looks like two overly cautious fighters throwing listless jabs at each other as they timidly circle the ring.
Bridgeboa–er, Bridgewater–has been solid most of the year. His numbers haven’t been great most weeks but they really shouldn’t be with how Norv Turner is currently running the offense. Teddy ranks towards the bottom in most cumulative statistics yet lands towards the middle in more qualitative numbers like Pro Football Focus rating and Total QBR. I was a little critical of Bridgewater last week on Twitter and was unsurprisingly chastised by Teddy Truthers for it. I still think the Chicago game was probably his worst overall game of the season even when you include the fourth quarter heroics. He missed some open deep balls, which isn’t a new development. What was new last week is the fact that he had more time to pass and the Bears’ pass coverage was better than expected. Bridgewater didn’t fare well with his new experiences.
It’s almost like he was so used to getting chased if his first couple reads were covered that he didn’t know what to do with the extra time.
Teddy has been playing “good enough to win” for the past few weeks. He’ll need to play significantly better for that to remain true over the next stretch of games.
Meanwhile, there isn’t much debate around the fact that Nick Foles has been underwhelming in his first season with the Rams. To be fair, he isn’t asked to do as much in his offense and his receivers aren’t doing him many favors either. And he’s still probably an upgrade over Sam Bradford. But Foles ranks behind Bridgewater on most advanced metrics and his play backs it up. He hasn’t been awful, but there have been too many passes and decisions that leave you scratching your head.
Advantage: Vikings. But not as big as it could be.
Defenses
At first glance this heavyweight bout seems incredibly close. The Vikings are allowing the second fewest points per game; the Rams are allowing the fourth fewest. The Rams allow the sixth fewest yards per game in the league; the Vikings are one spot behind. But the Football Outsiders DVOA ratings tell a different story. Their complex ranking system takes compares a team’s performance on every play based on the situation and the strength of opponent.
Since most of the Vikings’ wins have come over teams from the bottom of these rankings, the opponent adjustment hasn’t been kind to Minnesota. The Rams defense ranks 4th while Minnesota’s is all the way down at 24th. Aaron Schatz further explained why the Vikings have such a low DVOA last week:
Every week, the Vikings’ Week 1 loss looks worse as the 49ers play like garbage and the opponent adjustments gradually get stronger.
Pretty hard to argue that. Except everyone knows that Week 1 didn’t actually count because that stupid really late Monday Night Football game is always screwy and the Vikings thought it was their sixth preseason game so that’s why their DVOA isn’t as good as it should be! (Right?!)
That said, the Rams still probably have a better overall defense. I have been saying all season that Minnesota’s defensive line is their deepest and most talented unit. It might not even be the deepest or most talented defensive line in the game Sunday. Depending on the injury status of Robert Quinn and Chris Long, St. Louis can trot out about a half dozen very formidable weapons to get after the quarterback. Bridgewater won’t need to worry about the extra time he had in Chicago this time around.
While Vikings linebackers are a step above what the Rams have to offer (as long as Anthony Barr and Eric Kendricks are OK to play), the Rams definitely have the advantage in the secondary. Janoris Jenkins, Trumaine Johnson, Rodney McLeod, and T.J McDonald are all having solid seasons. Mixing a good secondary with a great pass rush is a lethal combination for opposing offenses.
And remember, the Rams defense is run by Gregg Williams, whom Vikings fans should be intimately familiar with thanks to the 2009 NFC Championship Game. (Fun fact: the extra G in Gregg stands for GODDAMN CHEATER.) He might be a horrible person but he’s still pretty good at calling up defenses.
Advantage: Rams. And it’s fairly significant.
Offensive lines
This is one those ridiculous “Toughman” fights where two overweight guys slug it out and it lasts two rounds at the most because nobody blocks. We have spent plenty of time griping about the Vikings offensive line this season. Either the run blocking isn’t opening enough holes for Peterson or the pass blocking isn’t giving Teddy enough time. Just know that it could be worse. Much worse. It feels like a large majority of the league has the same kind of complaints about their offensive lines, and Pro Football focus agrees. The Vikings actually are in the top half of the league in their rankings, coming in at 14th.
The Rams offensive line is decidedly not in the top half at 27th. Gurley is going to have to earn every yard he gets on Sunday.
Advantage: Vikings. No, really!
Schedules
It’s true that the Rams haven’t been playing a murderer’s row of a schedule either over the past couple weeks. To borrow another boxing term, St. Louis and Minnesota have been beating up on tomato cans. The Browns and 49ers are every bit as bad as the Bears and Lions. But the Rams have something the Vikings don’t–a victory over a team with a winning record (Arizona in Week 4). On the road, no less. They also upset the Seahawks in Week 1. That seemed a lot more impressive at the time, but Seattle will likely be favored when they visit Minnesota in a month. The overall DVOA rankings agree: St. Louis is 13th while the Vikings are 27th.
Advantage: Rams. Mostly because of that damn 49ers game.
Turnovers and Special Teams
When everything else seems so closely matched, these are the two factors that can make the difference on the judges’ scorecards. Turnover margin for the Rams (+3) and Vikings (+1) is basically a wash. However, the Vikings have had some pretty incredible fumble luck through the first seven games. They have recovered 6 of their 9 fumbles on offense and had recovered every opponent fumble up until Marc Mariani’s two muffed punts last week.
I never thought I would say this a month ago, but Minnesota has a distinct advantage in the kicking game. Blair Walsh has been making just about everything while Greg Zuerlein is only 9 of 15 on field goals this season. Scoring should be at a premium and Walsh’s leg will likely be called upon to score some very important points.
Advantage: Vikings. You can keep Greg the Leg.
Hopefully the judges scored this one right, because I think the loser of this game has a very good chance to be KO’ed from the playoff picture. The road doesn’t get any easier for the Vikings over the next several weeks, so they need to win this prizefight.
Prediction
Vikings 16, Rams 13
November 6, 2015 at 5:17 pm #33673znModeratorSunday’s Game Could Come Down to Foles vs. Bridgewater
Bernie Miklaszhttp://www.101sports.com/2015/11/06/sundays-game-could-come-down-to-foles-vs-bridgewater/
In case you may have missed it the Rams and the Vikings employ star running backs, not that anyone in the media has mentioned that much this week. (Wink.) In the run-up to Sunday’s game at Minnesota, Todd Gurley and Adrian Peterson have attracted most of the attention.
Foles has a 58.8 completion rate, with a QB rating of 81.6 so far in 2015.
And that’s understandable because they’re exciting, immensely talented players. But unless one RB completely takes over Sunday to open a safe lead for his team and leave the other side’s defense sprawled and gasping, this important NFC matchup could be settled by the quarterbacks.
Nick Foles is seven games into his first season as the St. Louis starter, and he’s started 31 NFL games overall.Teddy Bridgewater, selected by Minnesota in the first round of the 2014 draft, is 11-8 as the Vikings’ starter.
Bridgewater already is developing a reputation for coming up with big plays when a close game is on the line. In his 11 NFL victories, Bridgewater has piloted the Vikings on four, fourth-quarter drives to put his team in the lead. And he’s led the Vikings to four game-winning drives.
This season, when the Vikings find themselves in a tight game with time running down, Bridgewater has been at his best.
In the fourth quarter, and with only seven points separating the Vikings and their opponents (either way), Bridgewater has completed 15 of 21 throws with a passer rating of 121.7. And when the Vikings have trail by 7 or fewer points in a game this year, Bridgewater has posted a 104.2 passer rating.
In last week’s comeback victory at Chicago, Bridgewater had a perfect passer rating in in the final four minutes. And according to ESPN, Bridgewater ranks ninth in total QBR (you know, the fancier version of the passer rating) when the Vikings are trailing in a game. For whatever reason, Bridgewater responds very well to challenging, adverse situations.
Foles’ late play has delivered mixed results. In his starts for Philadelphia and St. Louis, the Foles’ record is 19-12. He’s had his share of game-winning drives (six) and fourth-quarter drives for the lead (5). Foles was great, late, in the Rams’ season-opening 34-31 overtime win over Seattle. Bringing the Rams back after they’d blown a lead, Foles had a fourth-quarter passer rating of 133.5, and later connected with wide receiver Stedman Bailey on a 22-yard pass that set up the winning field goal in OT. Foles also played well (126.4 rating) in the fourth quarter of the Rams’ narrow 24-22 road win at Arizona. But there have been some misfires, like Foles’ killer interception late in 12-6 loss to Pittsburgh.
If we’re talking “clutch” here — and I hate that term — the most glaring issue is the performance from Foles and the Rams’ offense on third-down situations.The Rams are the worst in the NFL at converting third downs (26 percent), moving the chains, and maintaining possession. In the key third-down passing categories, Foles ranks 32nd among NFL quarterbacks in completion percentage (46.4), 31st in yards per passing attempt (5.28) and is 31st in passer rating (62.7). And only 24.6 percent of Foles’ third-down attempts have picked up a first down; 32 NFL quarterbacks have a higher percentage.
This is a huge detriment to the Rams. With Gurley as significant centerpiece for his offense, there’s really no excuse for the Rams’ incompetence on third downs. And if they aspire to make the playoffs, they can’t afford to lose games by malfunctioning so terribly on third down.
Foles doesn’t deserve all of the blame for that. His receivers aren’t the most reliable lot, and you have to look at the play calling and wonder if the Rams can come up with a better package of plays to use on third downs.
When Foles targets wide receiver Tavon Austin on third down, he’s completed five of 12 for 100 yards and three touchdowns. And Foles has completed all 11 third-down throws he’s directed to running back Benny Cunningham.
But when Foles has targeted tight end Jared Cook and wideout Kenny Britt on third-down passes this season … goodness, the results are dreadful: seven completions in 24 attempt. That includes 1 for 9 to Britt.I think it’s fair to say that Bridgewater has a better collection of receivers than Foles: wide receivers Mike Wallace and impressive rookie Stefon Diggs on the outside, Jarius Wright in the slight, and tight end Kyle Rudolph.
And Bridgewater certainly has the superior offensive coordinator; Minnesota OC Norv Turner has a distinguished history of success in directing NFL offenses.
Gurley, who has been exceptional, would give the Rams the advantage in many
encounters against teams with lesser running backs, but the Vikings have Peterson. At best — at least going in — the backs are a draw and may cancel each other out. (Again, unless one can break out for 125+ yards against the opposing defense.)But as we evaluate the potential of each quarterback to capture Sunday’s game, we have to look at the pass protection being provided by the offensive lines.
Foles and Bridgewater are near the top of the Pro Football Focus list of starting quarterbacks confronted most often by pass-rush pressure. Only Seattle’s Russell Wilson has been pressured more frequently than Bridgewater, who has dealt with the rush on 45.4 percent of his dropbacks. Foles has been pressured on 40.6 of his dropbacks — the league’s fourth-highest rate.
Of the two quarterbacks, Bridgewater has been slightly better than Foles when the protection gives way. Bridgewater has a 60 passer rating under pressure compared to 58.3 for Foles.
It’s also true that the Rams’ defense has been more disruptive and damaging than Minnesota’s “D” through seven games.
I like to use this simple formula as a quick-snap way of looking at how often a defense causes chaos. I take the sacks, takeaways and total negative plays and add them together to come up with a “Mayhem” number.
The Rams have 13 takeaways, 26 sacks, and 63 negative plays for a “Mayhem” total of 102.The Vikings have nine takeaways, 18 sacks, and 33 negative plays for a “Mayhem” total of 60.
That’s a rather substantial difference. In addition, the Vikings’ offense has a very high negative-yards play count. They’ve had 61 negative plays so far, the league’s fourth-highest total. And the Vikings have lost 257 yards on negative plays — the most among the 17 teams that have played fewer than eight games.
So when you have a STL defense that specializes in storming opponents for negative plays, going against a Minnesota offense that’s been pushed back for more negative plays that just about anyone, it bodes well for the visiting team Sunday.
But if — just if — this one comes down to the quarterbacks, all we can do is look at their past performances for 2015, and Bridgewater has the edge on Foles in making big plays late in close games. And Bridgewater has the slight edge on Foles for passing under pressure. Bridgewater also benefits from having a higher quality of receivers and more creative coaching. Of course, it’s not quite that simple. Both offensive lines figure to be under assault on Sunday, and the quarterbacks will need their body guards to step up.
Though it’s still very early in his NFL career Bridgewater has displayed a pattern of playing his best at money time — a valuable attribute for a quarterback. We’re all still trying to understand exactly what the Rams have in Foles. He’s been up and down, but he’s also played a significant role in leading the Rams to their two most impressive wins of the season (Seattle and Arizona.) And it’s vexing to evaluate Foles because of things that are largely out of his control, like the Rams’ coaching and supporting talent on offense. But as the Rams head into their most important game of the season to date — a competition that should be close — Foles could have a chance to further define himself. All he’d have to do is fulfill his part in a standard NFL narrative for quarterbacks: tight game, late drama, desperate team — and the quarterback saves the day.
Unless, of course, Gurley or Peterson take this game away from the quarterbacks. But I just have a feeling … we’re going to see Foles vs. Bridgewater instead.
November 6, 2015 at 6:16 pm #33679znModeratorRams look to erase memory of last time they played Vikings
Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — It’s been approximately a season and a half since the Minnesota Vikings walloped the St. Louis Rams on the opening day of the 2014 season.
Much has changed for both sides since the Vikings’ 34-6 shellacking of the Rams at the Edward Jones Dome. In football time, a season and a half is a long time, but a game like that isn’t easy to remove from the memory bank.
“You really just have that taste in your mouth that the last time you went up against him, they punched us right in the mouth out of the gate,” linebacker James Laurinaitis said. “I think it’s always good to go back and revisit those feelings because still when I watch the tape it gets under your skin a little bit.”
The Vikings went on to a mediocre season while the Rams actually dipped to 6-10, but neither made the playoffs. As they prepare for Sunday’s game at TCF Bank Stadium in Minneapolis, both teams are in much better positions. In fact, the 5-2 Vikings and 4-3 Rams are currently sitting in the sixth and seventh spots in the NFC playoff race. That means the loser would drop from that perch with the winner stepping into the last playoff spot with half a season to go.
So clearly there has been progress made on both sides, but that doesn’t mean the Rams haven’t taken a peek at a performance Laurinaitis called “embarrassing” earlier this week. In fact, defensive end William Hayes says there’s plenty to learn from revisiting such an atrocious effort.
“You can learn the things that you don’t need to do on the football field,” Hayes said. “It was bad football all phases. Minnesota has kind of had their way with us the past couple of years since I’ve been here so hopefully we can turn things around.”
Turning things around should be a task made easier by some of the many differences in both teams since that meeting. The Rams entered the game not knowing what to expect from the quarterback position as Shaun Hill had just stepped in for the injured Sam Bradford two weeks earlier. Hill then suffered an injury of his own in the first half and was replaced by Austin Davis.
The Rams defense that had such high hopes did a solid job against running back Adrian Peterson but couldn’t keep wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson from burning them with big plays. The Rams compounded their issues by committing 13 penalties for 121 yards.
“I just remember that overall they had too many explosive plays,” Laurinaitis said. “I don’t think we tackled very well. We made Patterson look untackleable. He took a toss from the backfield and did speed sweeps, they did everything against us.”
By the time it was over, the Vikings had outgained the Rams 355 to 318 and the Rams were minus-2 in turnover differential. The 28-point defeat tied the worst margin for a home opener in franchise history.
Hard to watch? Certainly. Important to revisit this week? Absolutely.
“Well, you look at it,” coach Jeff Fisher said. “It’s no different than for example, us playing a division game, the second game. So, it’s recent. They game-planned us. We game-planned them. They made more plays than we did, so we gave up some big plays. We know (Vikings offensive coordinator) Norv (Turner) very well. He’s an outstanding coordinator and he’ll have them ready to play. So, we’re going to have to play really good on defense.”
And offense. And special teams.
Both teams now employ new quarterbacks with Minnesota turning to Teddy Bridgewater soon after last year’s meeting and St. Louis trading for Nick Foles in the offseason. The Rams have also revamped the rest of the offense and added rookie Todd Gurley at running back. Minnesota has had a rookie emerge, too, in the form of wide receiver Stefon Diggs while Patterson has been relegated to spot duty.
One thing that didn’t change is the head coaches, though the Rams do have a new offensive coordinator in Frank Cignetti.
“I think it can help both teams a little bit, because it’s a lot of the same systems, basically on both sides of the ball,” Minnesota head coach Mike Zimmer said. “But, as far as how we’re different, I think we have a better understanding of the systems right now. Obviously, the quarterback is different. We have different weapons at receiver. Defensively, I think our guys probably feel a little more comfortable, would be the way to say it. But, I guess that’s the two things I would say off the top of my head.”
When Hayes was first asked about the game from last year, he offered a simple response.
“I’d like to forget it,” Hayes said.
Hayes and his teammates will get their chance to wipe that memory away on Sunday afternoon.
November 7, 2015 at 9:30 am #33690joemadParticipantGiant’s fan take on Vikes Rams game
“Should’ve pick Gurley instead of flowers”November 7, 2015 at 10:12 am #33693wvParticipant“…The 28-point defeat tied the worst margin for a home opener in franchise history.
Hard to watch? Certainly. Important to revisit this week? Absolutely….’
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I want purple blood to be spilled.
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“There will be killing till the score is paid.”
― Homer, The OdysseyNovember 7, 2015 at 10:35 am #33694nittany ramModerator“…The 28-point defeat tied the worst margin for a home opener in franchise history.
Hard to watch? Certainly. Important to revisit this week? Absolutely….’
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I want purple blood to be spilled.
Buckets of it.w
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“There will be killing till the score is paid.”
― Homer, The OdysseyYes, purple blood must be spilled.
And the Rams will laugh and splash in the puddles like children.
November 7, 2015 at 11:01 am #33698wvParticipant“…The 28-point defeat tied the worst margin for a home opener in franchise history.
Hard to watch? Certainly. Important to revisit this week? Absolutely….’
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I want purple blood to be spilled.
Buckets of it.w
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“There will be killing till the score is paid.”
― Homer, The OdysseyYes, purple blood must be spilled.
And the Rams will laugh and splash in the puddles like children.
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Yes. The Rams will drink Purple Blood
and Urinate the Vikings out into
the gutter where they belong.…O dear. Did i say that out loud
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“Still, we will let all this be a thing of the past, though it hurts us, and beat down by constraint the anger that rises inside us.
Now I am making an end of my anger. It does not become me, unrelentingly to rage on”
― Homer, The IliadNovember 7, 2015 at 11:07 am #33700znModeratorYes, purple blood must be spilled.
November 7, 2015 at 1:25 pm #33707znModeratorFor Rams to beat Vikings, the little things will make a difference
Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — The St. Louis Rams and Minnesota Vikings kick off Sunday at 1 p.m. ET from TCF Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. Here are three things to watch in what figures to be a closely matched game between two NFC contenders:
1. It’s always the turnovers: Look, it’s not breaking any sort of revelatory ground to say that turnovers are a key to the game. They’re a key to every game every week. But we’re going with the cliche here because this is one of those rare games when neither team has a clear advantage. The statistics show two evenly-matched teams. Even in something like red zone defense where you think the Rams might have a decided advantage because they are the best in the league, the Vikings aren’t far behind at fourth.
So even just a plus-one differential in the turnover margin could be the difference between winning and losing. The Rams have been a bit better than the Vikings at taking it away this year with 13 to Minnesota’s nine, but the Rams have given it away 10 times to the Vikings’ eight. All told, the Rams are plus-three and Minnesota is plus-one. It’s not a substantial difference but in a closely matched game, a fumble or an interception at the right time could make all the difference.
2. Getting their kicks: Here’s another small detail that might not seem like a big deal but could be here. Rams kicker Greg Zuerlein has had some rough moments the past few weeks and he’s just 9-of-15 on field goals for the season. Granted, many of those misses have been from 50-plus yards, but he’s also missed a 35-yard attempt and had another kick blocked last week.
And while Zuerlein has made all 14 of his extra-point attempts, he’s had a history of struggling outdoors. On the other side, Minnesota’s Blair Walsh has hit 17-of-19 on field goals but does have a pair of misses on extra points.
Both teams will need their kickers to be on point as a point or three could tip the scales the other direction.
3. An offensive evolution: It’s no secret that the Rams’ offense revolves primarily around running back Todd Gurley and, to a lesser extent, receiver Tavon Austin. Both can and should continue to be the focal points of the offense. But now that we’ve seen what that duo can do when used in tandem, there should be some opportunities for others to have some success, especially in the passing game.
The Rams played it coy this week when asked about what Gurley and Austin might loosen up, but one can logically point to the middle of the field as an option. The Rams are the second-least productive team in the NFL when it comes to throwing it between the hashes. That might mean some opportunities for tight ends like Jared Cook or Lance Kendricks or slot receiver Stedman Bailey.
No matter who it is, some production from a skill position player not named Gurley and Austin would go a long way in helping the Rams get to 5-3.
November 8, 2015 at 2:28 am #33720znModeratorRams at Vikings: Seven for Sunday
Jim Thomas
Both teams have defensive-oriented head coaches: Jeff Fisher of the Rams and Mike Zimmer of the Vikings. Both teams are built on strong running games with marquee backs: Adrian Peterson of Minnesota and Todd Gurley of St. Louis. Both teams have top 10 defenses: The Rams are sixth in total defense; the Vikings seventh. Neither team does much with the forward pass, with the Rams ranked 32nd and the Vikings 30th in passing offense. And both are trying to work their way into the NFC playoff picture.
FLAG FOOTBALL
In what figures to be a close game, the team that makes the fewest mistakes could come out the winner. And if that’s the case, give the edge to Minnesota — at least in the area of penalties. Minnesota is the NFL’s least-penalized team this season, both in terms of penalties assessed (39) and penalty yards (340). Zimmer’s squad was among the league’s least-penalized teams last year as well. Although the Rams are doing better in this area this year, they have totaled 21 penalties for 168 yards the past two Sundays.THE GREAT APPeterson logged his third 100-yard rushing game of the season last week in Chicago, and is well on his way to a 1,500-yard season at age 30. Matt Asiata frequently replaces Peterson on third down, and Jerick McKinnon occasionally will spell him in the base offense. But Peterson remains the man who makes the Minnesota offense run; he’s still a big play waiting to happen. Realistically speaking, the Rams hope to contain him; they’re not going to shut him down.
TEDDY’S TIME
So far, QB Teddy Bridgewater hasn’t made that second-year leap as was hoped for by the Vikings. In fact, his statistics are very similar to what he posted last year as a rookie. He doesn’t have ideal arm strength, but is very accurate. He is poised and patient in the pocket, far beyond his experience level in the NFL. He’s not big on scrambling, but is effective when using his legs. More caretaker than playmaker at this point, Bridgewater might have gained confidence with his fourth-quarter comeback vs. Chicago.
DIGGS EMERGES
Speedster Mike Wallace leads the Vikings with 26 catches, but is averaging only 11.2 yards per catch and hasn’t provided the big plays the team hoped for when they obtained him in a trade with Miami in March. Another speedster, Cordarrelle Patterson, has almost fallen off the depth chart with only two catches (for 10 yards) this season. But Stefon Diggs has saved the passing game. After being inactive for the first three games, he has 25 catches for 419 yards in four contests. He’s a polished route runner for a rookie.
PASS-RUSH TANDEM
Overall, the Vikings are in the middle of the road when it comes to rushing the passer. But they have an effective, if unheralded, tandem in DE Everson Griffen and DT Tom Johnson. Griffen and Johnson have combined for 25 sacks since the start of the 2014 season — that’s the fifth-highest total for an end-tackle tandem in the league over that span. The Rams’ duo of DE Robert Quinn and DT Aaron Donald is tied for second in that time period, with 29 sacks. Griffen has been playing with a painful neck injury.
LINEBACKER ISSUES
While the Rams are banged up at defensive end, the Vikings have health concerns at linebacker — the strongest unit on their squad. Middle ’backer Eric Kendricks, who’s tied for second on the team in tackles (50), second in sacks (four), and second in tackles for loss (six), is out because of injured ribs. Strong side LB Anthony Barr, another of the team’s top defenders, is questionable (back issue). In part because of the talent at linebacker, this is a fast-flowing defense.
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