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well there ya go.
that’s how he would make his money back.
st. louis is in a real bind here. the only way i see the rams staying at this point is if the broncos do go on sale this year, and kroenke is inclined to sell the rams quick.
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With a new TV contract that started this year and runs through 2021, the league won’t see much immediate financial impact from a move of any team to Los Angeles.
is that what owners are waiting for? would a team in los angeles mean more tv dollars in the next contract? well. all the more reason the league wants a team or two there.
but he makes money off of psls too. and i’m guessing he’ll make way more in psl’s than he would in st. louis.
psls in san francisco are expected to raise around 500 million dollars. atlanta i think is expected to generate around 200 million dollars in psls.
staples center generates 345 million dollars a year in revenue. that’s from the lakers, clippers, kings, sparks, and concerts.
now obviously. in the nfl. a lot of that would end up being shared with other teams. also. i don’t know what a stadium in st. louis would generate. i also don’t know what an nfl stadium could generate compared to an nba stadium.
and if a second team moved in i don’t know what money kroenke would get from that.
there’s also naming rights to the stadium. merchandising. again. i don’t know how much of this is shared. i also don’t know how much this would compare to st. louis. my guess is it’s higher.
cowboys generate 560 million dollars in revenue. compare that to the rams which is 250 million in revenue. that’s a difference of 310 million. again. i don’t know how much of this is shared. the new york giants is 353 million. that’s a difference of 100 million. and those number are from forbes. and that’s probably just football related. and also. the cowboys’ operating costs are significantly higher than other teams. so that’s a factor.
i just don’t know. but i think that the numbers are more obscene than we could even imagine. and i think the potential for a los angeles rams team compared to a st. louis rams team is way way higher.
to me that’s still significant. and it’s definitely a factor. and i still think it’s a conservative estimate.
Board wars like this one are always so tragic.
Article Launched: 07/16/2007 10:49:19 PM PDT
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Time is a silent enemy that leaves a swath of pathos in its infinite path. It can’t be bought off by money, fame and power. It is indomitable in its impact, omnipresent in its reach, indiscriminate in its destruction.
Time wilts flowers, razes buildings, ravages athletic skills, defaces beauty, unravels romantic attachments, exterminates species, dismantles political dynasties, tramples dignity, destroys organs, brings down despots and causes frightening sorrow in its relentless march of annihilation.
Time is unflinching, unbowed and unbiased in its inexorable advance on everything in this world, and it oftentimes affects sad tableaus like the one at the All-Star game last week when 76-year-old Willie Mays trudged feebly on the ball diamond where he once routinely performed with the elegance and grace of a distinguished ballet dancer.
Time left me in a state of deep melancholy late Saturday afternoon when I attended what was billed as a 70th Ram anniversary reunion at the peristyle end of the Coliseum for an NFL franchise that began in Cleveland in 1937, came to L.A. in 1946, moved to Anaheim in 1980 and departed for St. Louis in 1995.
I try not to live in the past because I realize it’s an
irretrievable relic, and I realize that the years conspire to create a litany of changes that causes a maddening amalgam of glee, anguish, satisfaction, disappointment, serenity and suffering.
I witnessed all such phenomena at the little get-together that brought back so many poignant remembrances of those days when my job was to chronicle the goings-on of the Rams for the old Los Angeles Herald Examiner throughout the 1970s.
I saw Chuck Knox being pushed around in a wheelchair by his wife Shirley, and I remember a fiery Knox on the field just below on the Ram sidelines berating officials and cajoling his troops to five straight NFC Western Division titles.
“I can walk, but it’s tough standing because I have a pretty bad back,” said Knox.
“Chuck hates this, but it’s best for him,” said Shirley Knox.
I saw Merlin Olsen ambling around on his two artificial knees, and he spoke emotionally how it was those 15 seasons playing for the Rams as a defensive tackle alongside Deacon Jones, Roosevelt Grier, the late Lamar Lundy – the original Fearsome Foursome – and later alongside Larry Brooks, Jack Youngblood and Fred Dryer.
“I’ll never forget how you got mad at me one season, and never mentioned my name in one of your stories,” he said to me, and I vehemently denied such a snub.
But Merlin Olsen kept shaking his head.
“Really, an entire season went by without my name appearing in one of your stories,” said Olsen, who would become even more famous after football for his television work as an actor (he was a regular on “Little House on the Prairie” and “Father Murphy”) and an NBC analyst with Dick Enberg on NFL games.
Olsen, 66, now lives in Park City, Utah in semi-retirement, giving occasional speeches and attending occasional functions like the one Saturday.
I saw Rosey Grier, and he was walking with the aid of a cane, as were several other of the old football players.
I saw the gentleman, Roger Brown, who replaced Grier in 1967 after Grier suffered a torn Achilles tendon that ended his career.
Brown in those days was a hulking 310 pounder, but now the 6-5 Brown looks to be no more than 230.
“The doctor gave me two choices – either give up eating or give up walking,” he said. “So I gave up eating.”
I saw still another defensive lineman of great renown who also looked about half his former size, and Deacon Jones now weighs a threadbare 220.
“I played at about 280,” said the 68-year-old Jones. “Why did I lose the weight? Simple. The ol’ doc told me heavy people don’t live long. I wanna live. So off came the weight.”
I saw John Shaw, now president of the Rams who orchestrated the team’s move to St. Louis after the 1994 season.
“Does it ever bother you thinking about all the pain you caused Ram fans in Southern California?” I said.
“Let’s don’t get into that now,” he replied.
I saw Steve Rosenbloom, who was pegged by his late father, Carroll Rosenbloom, to run the Rams after his death but who wound up being kicked out by the person who inherited the team, Georgia Rosenbloom, who was Carroll’s wife and Steve’s stepmother.
“We’d still be in Southern California had I been in charge,” said Rosenbloom, whose hair is now totally gray.
I saw old Ram team doctors and flight attendants and secretaries, and one giddily reminded me how she and I spent an evening together partying it up around Long Beach some 30 years ago. Sadly, I didn’t even recognize her and had no recollection of what she was talking about albeit I’m sure it occurred because so much of what happened in those long ago nights have been lost to me in the mist of the years.
I saw Dennis Harrah and his wife Teresa, and both are fitness devotees who look terrific and are living joyfully these days in Temecula where they have raised two sons.
I saw Fred Dryer and Jack Youngblood, and the two old defensive ends have remained trim and well-preserved.
I saw Wendell Tyler, and uttered fee-fi-foe-fumble to him, and the one-time Rams and San Francisco 49er running back star who was prone to fumble smiled affably.
“That was a nickname you gave me that I didn’t appreciate,” he said. “But maybe I deserved it.”
I saw Jack Teele, and the old Poly High-Long Beach State graduate/Press-Telegram sportswriter/Ram PR director/Ram general manager/Seal Beach Leisure World resident probably knew more people present than anyone else because of his lengthy affiliation with the team.
I saw the old Rams radio broadcaster Dick Enberg, and he introduced various players and local politicians, who droned on with their insufferable banalties about what the Rams meant to L.A. even though these same politicians haven’t done anything significant to bring the NFL back to this community.
I saw 78-year-old Ollie Matson seated in a wheelchair surrounded by well-wishers, and I remember when the Rams once traded 10 players to the Chicago Cardinals to get him in 1958 and how he was at the time the fastest running back in the NFL.
And, of course, I saw Isiah Robertson, who once chased me across Blair Field with evil intentions, and he immediately considered me with a feigned scowl that dissolved into a broad smile, as we warmly embraced and spoke briefly about our past differences as well as nocturnal adventures (Robertson was actually a pal of mine before our unfortunate falling out).
He had a leather briefcase, and looked like a schmoozing salesman as he made the rounds talking to old teammates like Bill Bain and Lawrence McCutcheon and Pat Haden and Bill Simpson and Tom Mack and so many others.
The group later gathered on the Coliseum field for dinner, but I departed, no longer able to be a spectator at a glad event, alas, shrouded in a veil of sadness caused by the passage of time.
Doug Krikorian can be reached at doug.krikorian@presstelegram.com
Good Lord that was depressing. There should be a warning attached to that!
This is him on the inter-net
A sample of his writing:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+BIG+CHILL%3b+RAMS+TOO+TOUGH%3a+IT%27LL+BE+GEORGIA+IN+GEORGIA.-a083391878
“le to fleece new suitors for taxpayer-subsidized stadiums – the St. Louis Rams and Tennessee Titans will settle their difference today in the 72-degree warmth of the enclosed Georgia Dome.This will be a match painful to watch for many of the disenfranchised fans in Los Angeles, who supported the Rams for 49 seasons, and in Houston, who did the same with the Oilers for 37 seasons.
What will be even more aggravating to these people is that one of the miscreants responsible for the shift in residences – either the Oilers’ Bud Adams, or the Rams’ Georgia Frontiere – will be strutting on center stage this evening celebrating a Super Bowl victory.
The hunch here is that person will be Georgia Frontiere..
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…And thus expect to see the ungodly spectacle of George Frontiere, the seven-time married Rams owner, on the sidelines late in the fourth quarter tonight, savoring a 30-20 win by her minions and defying the laws of compensation yet again.”w
vAs long as I’m surfing old Ram articles….this is from the 80s.
I wonder how an Updated version would look
with the GSOT players.w
vhttp://articles.latimes.com/1985-08-09/sports/sp-2626_1_bob-waterfield
All-Time Ram Team : Bob Waterfield Is Top Selection in Three Categories
August 09, 1985Bob Waterfield, who led the Rams to National Football League championships in Cleveland (1945) and Los Angeles (1951), was named in three categories to the Rams’ 40th anniversary all-time team, chosen by Times readers.
In a vote of 5,229 readers during July, Waterfield was selected as the Rams’ all-time quarterback, kicker and punter.
Waterfield received 1,921 votes in the quarterback category, beating Norm Van Brocklin with 1,399 and Roman Gabriel with 836.
Frank Corral was a distant second to Waterfield as the all-time kicker, as was Pat Studstill in the punting category.
Including 28 write-in votes Waterfield received as a defensive back, he got a total of 5,132 votes.
Defensive lineman Merlin Olsen got the most votes in a single category, 4,483, and current Ram defensive back Nolan Cromwell finished just behind Olsen in total votes for one category with 4,385.
Deacon Jones and Rosey Grier, Olsen’s linemates in the Rams’ Fearsome Foursome defensive front in the 1960s, also made the all-time team, as did current Ram Jack Youngblood. Jones got 4,010 votes, Youngblood got 3,331 and Grier 2,690.
Not surprisingly, the most popular current Ram, running back Eric Dickerson, was the top vote-getter at running back with 3,263. Dickerson, who last season set the NFL’s single-season rushing mark with 2,105 yards, easily finished ahead of second-place Dick Bass, who polled 2,113 votes.
Lawrence McCutcheon edged Jon Arnett by 35 votes for the third running back spot.
The other team members are wide receivers Elroy (Crazy Legs) Hirsch with 3,128 votes, and Tom Fears, 1,922; center Rich Saul, 2,081; offensive linemen Tom Mack, 3,490; Charlie Cowan, 2,436; Joe Scibelli, 2,398, and Dennis Harrah, 2,155; tight end Bob Klein, 1,135; linebackers Jack Reynolds, 2,750; Jack Pardee, 2,546, and Les Richter, 1,723; defensive backs Ed Meador, 2,728; Dave Elmendorf, 2,152, and Dick (Night Train) Lane, 1,902; kickoff return specialist Arnett, 2,234, and punt return specialist LeRoy Irvin, 1,272.
A ceremony will be held at halftime of Saturday night’s exhibition game between the Rams and Houston Oilers at Anaheim Stadium. The game is sponsored by Times Charities.
THE TEAM
SELECTED BY READERS OF THE TIMES
OFFENSE DEFENSE POSITION PLAYER POSITION PLAYER
Quarterback Bob Waterfield
Lineman Merlin Olsen
Running Back Eric Dickerson
Lineman Fred Dryer
Running Back Dick Bass
Lineman Deacon Jones
Running Back Lawrence McCutcheon
Lineman Jack Youngblood
Lineman Tom Mack
Lineman Rosey Grier
Lineman Charlie Cowan
Linebacker Jack Reynolds
Lineman Joe Scibelli
Linebacker Jack Pardee
Lineman Dennis Harrah
Linebacker Les Richter
Center Rich Saul
Back Nolan Cromwell
Tight End Bob Klein
Back Eddie Meador
Receiver Elroy Hirsch
Back Dave Elmendorf
Receiver Tom Fears
Back Dick (Night Train) Lane
Punter Bob Waterfield
Punt Returner LeRoy Irvin
Kicker Bob Waterfield
Kick Returner Jon Arnetthttp://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/article_1683d7d6-ddf1-545f-9c95-5f5b6d6a4ff4.html#.VLhIe6KaFz4.twitter
NFL exec: St. Louis must build new stadium to keep NFL
35 minutes ago • By David HunnST. LOUIS • Local planners must build a new football stadium here, or St. Louis will not hold onto its franchise, a key National Football League executive said on Thursday.
NFL Executive Vice President Eric Grubman, who is in charge of stadium development as well as developing the Los Angeles market, came to St. Louis on Thursday to meet with Gov. Jay Nixon’s two-man stadium team.
He confirmed, for the first time ever by a league official, that St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke is indeed “looking” elsewhere.
“I’m not going to get into specifics, other than he’s said he’s going to keep his options open and he’s looking,” Grubman said.
But he also said Kroenke has not made it clear to the league if he wants to move to Los Angeles, as has long been discussed since Kroenke purchased land there last year.
And league officials are not even considering such a move, Grubman said.
“We’re looking for a solution to the St. Louis Rams to be the St. Louis Rams, not for some other team to be the St. Louis Rams,” he said.
Grubman said he came to St. Louis to offer the NFL’s help in development of a new stadium, with hopes the team will make progress on the plan announced last week.
Is a stadium necessary to keep the Rams?
“Yes,” Grubman responded. “But I don’t know what kind of stadium. A team healthy in its market is the prescription,” he continued.
“The way that was pursued over the past couple years has failed,” he said. “The probability that it will be resurrected is zero.
“Therefore we need to look at a new solution. There’s no other stadium to be renovated or retrofitted. Ergo, the solution set involves a new stadium.”
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