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January 13, 2015 at 8:38 pm #16447InvaderRamModerator
well there ya go.
that’s how he would make his money back.
st. louis is in a real bind here. the only way i see the rams staying at this point is if the broncos do go on sale this year, and kroenke is inclined to sell the rams quick.
also.
With a new TV contract that started this year and runs through 2021, the league won’t see much immediate financial impact from a move of any team to Los Angeles.
is that what owners are waiting for? would a team in los angeles mean more tv dollars in the next contract? well. all the more reason the league wants a team or two there.
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January 13, 2015 at 9:03 pm #16450znModeratorwell there ya go.
that’s how he would make his money back.
st. louis is in a real bind here. the only way i see the rams staying at this point is if the broncos do go on sale this year, and kroenke is inclined to sell the rams quick.
also.
With a new TV contract that started this year and runs through 2021, the league won’t see much immediate financial impact from a move of any team to Los Angeles.
is that what owners are waiting for? would a team in los angeles mean more tv dollars in the next contract? well. all the more reason the league wants a team or two there.
I.R. he gets that money anyway, whether he moves or not. Same as all owners.
That has nothing to do with the revenue v. team value issue.
That issue is simple. It costs X amount to move and build a new stadium and pay the league relocation fee. No increase in revenue from moving will pay him back that X amount in his lifetime. All that’s just true. But I then suggested that the fact that LA revenues will never re-pay the X amount for moving means he does not care about that part of it. What he cares about is having his franchise be worth more, on paper.
And so he does not care about getting his money back. He cares about his team having a higher value. Why? Pride thing. Biggest fish caught on the fishing trip. That kind of thing.
Every team gets tv revenue, it’s not related to the moving issue.
Looking at it this way means he doesn’t care if he makes back the money he spends to relocate. It’s just not the real issue for him.
would a team in los angeles mean more tv dollars in the next contract?
Well probably not. Everyone in LA who wants to watch pro football, already DOES. Moving a team there changes nothing in that respect.
The league does not really make more money just cause a team is in LA. There may be a couple of million more per team from the gate, and that’s chicken feed and besides it is not certain that would be true. So “making more money” has nothing to do with any of this as far as the league is concerned. Not from the tv contract, not from the gate, nothing. None of this does anything significant to change how much money the league makes.
January 13, 2015 at 9:21 pm #16451InvaderRamModeratorno. if he gets the psl’s he’s expecting. it might essentially pay for the move. AND the value of the team increases. AND he gets increased revenue.
so he does get his money back. with the psl’s, it’s possible he doesn’t have to pay any of that relocation fee or building of the stadium out of his own pocket.
January 13, 2015 at 9:26 pm #16452znModeratorno. if he gets the psl’s he’s expecting. it might essentially pay for the move. AND the value of the team increases. AND he gets increased revenue.
so he does get his money back. with the psl’s, it’s possible he doesn’t have to pay any of that relocation fee or building of the stadium out of his own pocket.
No I did the math on that. It would not pay for the move. But see he doesn’t care about paying for the move so it;s just not an issue.
The relocation fee is its own issue. If the league waives it, the costs of moving and building are still greater than what he would get in new revenues. It would take YEARS to get back the money he would spend to build there and get the team there. So obviously he does not care about that part of it.
January 13, 2015 at 9:50 pm #16453InvaderRamModeratori don’t think we have any idea what kind of revenues he can get from building this. thing.
i still think it’s an issue. i think the potential for revenue compared to st. louis is a lot higher than we can imagine. it’s not just nfl games.
it’s concerts. it’s other sporting events. corporate sponsorships. i know st. louis said it’s got plenty of corporate partners in st. louis, but it’ll be nothing like what’s available in los angeles.
i don’t think it’s JUST about the value of the franchise.
January 13, 2015 at 9:58 pm #16454znModeratori don’t think we have any idea what kind of revenues he can get from building this. thing.
i still think it’s an issue. i think the potential for revenue compared to st. louis is a lot higher than we can imagine. it’s not just nfl games.
it’s concerts. it’s other sporting events. corporate sponsorships. i know st. louis said it’s got plenty of corporate partners in st. louis, but it’ll be nothing like what’s available in los angeles.
i don’t think it’s JUST about the value of the franchise.
Do you think he will make 250 M a year from all those things combined?
January 13, 2015 at 10:16 pm #16457InvaderRamModeratori don’t know. i have no idea.
January 13, 2015 at 10:22 pm #16458znModeratori don’t know. i have no idea.
Well just using speculative guess-timates, that’s how much revenue he would have to draw in (after expenses) to make back what he spends to build and move. That is, make it back within 10 years.
January 13, 2015 at 10:43 pm #16460InvaderRamModeratorbut he makes money off of psls too. and i’m guessing he’ll make way more in psl’s than he would in st. louis.
psls in san francisco are expected to raise around 500 million dollars. atlanta i think is expected to generate around 200 million dollars in psls.
staples center generates 345 million dollars a year in revenue. that’s from the lakers, clippers, kings, sparks, and concerts.
now obviously. in the nfl. a lot of that would end up being shared with other teams. also. i don’t know what a stadium in st. louis would generate. i also don’t know what an nfl stadium could generate compared to an nba stadium.
and if a second team moved in i don’t know what money kroenke would get from that.
there’s also naming rights to the stadium. merchandising. again. i don’t know how much of this is shared. i also don’t know how much this would compare to st. louis. my guess is it’s higher.
cowboys generate 560 million dollars in revenue. compare that to the rams which is 250 million in revenue. that’s a difference of 310 million. again. i don’t know how much of this is shared. the new york giants is 353 million. that’s a difference of 100 million. and those number are from forbes. and that’s probably just football related. and also. the cowboys’ operating costs are significantly higher than other teams. so that’s a factor.
i just don’t know. but i think that the numbers are more obscene than we could even imagine. and i think the potential for a los angeles rams team compared to a st. louis rams team is way way higher.
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January 13, 2015 at 11:00 pm #16463znhaterBlockedNo appetite for Public money in MO
JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. — The owner of the St. Louis Rams should not expect more help from Missouri taxpayers if he wants to keep his team in the state.
“I doubt if there’s an appetite to do public money for that, when we have education issues, highway issues and infrastructure issues,” state Sen. Ron Richard, R-Joplin, said Wednesday, as the 2015 legislative session began. Richard also is the Senate Majority Leader.
“I haven’t seen anything from the governor. The governor has indicated that he believes St. Louis is an NFL city,” Diehl said. “Under the laws of the city and county of St. Louis, they’re required — any type of assistance is required to go to a vote of the people. It’d be extraordinary difficult to get a stadium package through the General Assembly.”
http://politicmo.com/2015/01/09/missour … -st-louis/
January 13, 2015 at 11:13 pm #16464InvaderRamModeratormaybe he could make 50 million more in revenue with a los angeles team compared to a st. louis team. and i think that’s being conservative. so over 10 years that would be 500 million. plus 500 million he could raise in psls.
so maybe 1 billion dollars in ten years. again being very conservative.
January 13, 2015 at 11:15 pm #16465znModeratormaybe he could make 50 million more in revenue with a los angeles team compared to a st. louis team. and i think that’s being conservative. so over 10 years that would be 500 million. plus 500 million he could raise in psls.
so maybe 1 billion dollars in ten years. again being very conservative.
But then the move and all associated expenses plus building the stadium etc. is about 2.5 billion, at least.
January 13, 2015 at 11:27 pm #16467InvaderRamModeratorto me that’s still significant. and it’s definitely a factor. and i still think it’s a conservative estimate.
January 13, 2015 at 11:56 pm #16469znModeratorto me that’s still significant. and it’s definitely a factor. and i still think it’s a conservative estimate.
Board wars like this one are always so tragic.
January 14, 2015 at 8:54 am #16476CrazylegsParticipantArticle Launched: 07/16/2007 10:49:19 PM PDT
http://z11.invisionfree.com/NFL_Return_to_LA/ar/t105.htm
Time is a silent enemy that leaves a swath of pathos in its infinite path. It can’t be bought off by money, fame and power. It is indomitable in its impact, omnipresent in its reach, indiscriminate in its destruction.
Time wilts flowers, razes buildings, ravages athletic skills, defaces beauty, unravels romantic attachments, exterminates species, dismantles political dynasties, tramples dignity, destroys organs, brings down despots and causes frightening sorrow in its relentless march of annihilation.
Time is unflinching, unbowed and unbiased in its inexorable advance on everything in this world, and it oftentimes affects sad tableaus like the one at the All-Star game last week when 76-year-old Willie Mays trudged feebly on the ball diamond where he once routinely performed with the elegance and grace of a distinguished ballet dancer.
Time left me in a state of deep melancholy late Saturday afternoon when I attended what was billed as a 70th Ram anniversary reunion at the peristyle end of the Coliseum for an NFL franchise that began in Cleveland in 1937, came to L.A. in 1946, moved to Anaheim in 1980 and departed for St. Louis in 1995.
I try not to live in the past because I realize it’s an
irretrievable relic, and I realize that the years conspire to create a litany of changes that causes a maddening amalgam of glee, anguish, satisfaction, disappointment, serenity and suffering.
I witnessed all such phenomena at the little get-together that brought back so many poignant remembrances of those days when my job was to chronicle the goings-on of the Rams for the old Los Angeles Herald Examiner throughout the 1970s.
I saw Chuck Knox being pushed around in a wheelchair by his wife Shirley, and I remember a fiery Knox on the field just below on the Ram sidelines berating officials and cajoling his troops to five straight NFC Western Division titles.
“I can walk, but it’s tough standing because I have a pretty bad back,” said Knox.
“Chuck hates this, but it’s best for him,” said Shirley Knox.
I saw Merlin Olsen ambling around on his two artificial knees, and he spoke emotionally how it was those 15 seasons playing for the Rams as a defensive tackle alongside Deacon Jones, Roosevelt Grier, the late Lamar Lundy – the original Fearsome Foursome – and later alongside Larry Brooks, Jack Youngblood and Fred Dryer.
“I’ll never forget how you got mad at me one season, and never mentioned my name in one of your stories,” he said to me, and I vehemently denied such a snub.
But Merlin Olsen kept shaking his head.
“Really, an entire season went by without my name appearing in one of your stories,” said Olsen, who would become even more famous after football for his television work as an actor (he was a regular on “Little House on the Prairie” and “Father Murphy”) and an NBC analyst with Dick Enberg on NFL games.
Olsen, 66, now lives in Park City, Utah in semi-retirement, giving occasional speeches and attending occasional functions like the one Saturday.
I saw Rosey Grier, and he was walking with the aid of a cane, as were several other of the old football players.
I saw the gentleman, Roger Brown, who replaced Grier in 1967 after Grier suffered a torn Achilles tendon that ended his career.
Brown in those days was a hulking 310 pounder, but now the 6-5 Brown looks to be no more than 230.
“The doctor gave me two choices – either give up eating or give up walking,” he said. “So I gave up eating.”
I saw still another defensive lineman of great renown who also looked about half his former size, and Deacon Jones now weighs a threadbare 220.
“I played at about 280,” said the 68-year-old Jones. “Why did I lose the weight? Simple. The ol’ doc told me heavy people don’t live long. I wanna live. So off came the weight.”
I saw John Shaw, now president of the Rams who orchestrated the team’s move to St. Louis after the 1994 season.
“Does it ever bother you thinking about all the pain you caused Ram fans in Southern California?” I said.
“Let’s don’t get into that now,” he replied.
I saw Steve Rosenbloom, who was pegged by his late father, Carroll Rosenbloom, to run the Rams after his death but who wound up being kicked out by the person who inherited the team, Georgia Rosenbloom, who was Carroll’s wife and Steve’s stepmother.
“We’d still be in Southern California had I been in charge,” said Rosenbloom, whose hair is now totally gray.
I saw old Ram team doctors and flight attendants and secretaries, and one giddily reminded me how she and I spent an evening together partying it up around Long Beach some 30 years ago. Sadly, I didn’t even recognize her and had no recollection of what she was talking about albeit I’m sure it occurred because so much of what happened in those long ago nights have been lost to me in the mist of the years.
I saw Dennis Harrah and his wife Teresa, and both are fitness devotees who look terrific and are living joyfully these days in Temecula where they have raised two sons.
I saw Fred Dryer and Jack Youngblood, and the two old defensive ends have remained trim and well-preserved.
I saw Wendell Tyler, and uttered fee-fi-foe-fumble to him, and the one-time Rams and San Francisco 49er running back star who was prone to fumble smiled affably.
“That was a nickname you gave me that I didn’t appreciate,” he said. “But maybe I deserved it.”
I saw Jack Teele, and the old Poly High-Long Beach State graduate/Press-Telegram sportswriter/Ram PR director/Ram general manager/Seal Beach Leisure World resident probably knew more people present than anyone else because of his lengthy affiliation with the team.
I saw the old Rams radio broadcaster Dick Enberg, and he introduced various players and local politicians, who droned on with their insufferable banalties about what the Rams meant to L.A. even though these same politicians haven’t done anything significant to bring the NFL back to this community.
I saw 78-year-old Ollie Matson seated in a wheelchair surrounded by well-wishers, and I remember when the Rams once traded 10 players to the Chicago Cardinals to get him in 1958 and how he was at the time the fastest running back in the NFL.
And, of course, I saw Isiah Robertson, who once chased me across Blair Field with evil intentions, and he immediately considered me with a feigned scowl that dissolved into a broad smile, as we warmly embraced and spoke briefly about our past differences as well as nocturnal adventures (Robertson was actually a pal of mine before our unfortunate falling out).
He had a leather briefcase, and looked like a schmoozing salesman as he made the rounds talking to old teammates like Bill Bain and Lawrence McCutcheon and Pat Haden and Bill Simpson and Tom Mack and so many others.
The group later gathered on the Coliseum field for dinner, but I departed, no longer able to be a spectator at a glad event, alas, shrouded in a veil of sadness caused by the passage of time.
Doug Krikorian can be reached at doug.krikorian@presstelegram.com
January 14, 2015 at 9:28 am #16480HerzogParticipantGood Lord that was depressing. There should be a warning attached to that!
January 14, 2015 at 9:36 am #16482znModeratorArticle Launched: 07/16/2007 10:49:19 PM PDT
Hey CL. Articles posted here need links. I searched the net and found a link I inserted via edit.
January 14, 2015 at 9:47 am #16484wvParticipantGood Lord that was depressing. There should be a warning attached to that!
This is him on the inter-net
A sample of his writing:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+BIG+CHILL%3b+RAMS+TOO+TOUGH%3a+IT%27LL+BE+GEORGIA+IN+GEORGIA.-a083391878
“le to fleece new suitors for taxpayer-subsidized stadiums – the St. Louis Rams and Tennessee Titans will settle their difference today in the 72-degree warmth of the enclosed Georgia Dome.This will be a match painful to watch for many of the disenfranchised fans in Los Angeles, who supported the Rams for 49 seasons, and in Houston, who did the same with the Oilers for 37 seasons.
What will be even more aggravating to these people is that one of the miscreants responsible for the shift in residences – either the Oilers’ Bud Adams, or the Rams’ Georgia Frontiere – will be strutting on center stage this evening celebrating a Super Bowl victory.
The hunch here is that person will be Georgia Frontiere..
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…And thus expect to see the ungodly spectacle of George Frontiere, the seven-time married Rams owner, on the sidelines late in the fourth quarter tonight, savoring a 30-20 win by her minions and defying the laws of compensation yet again.”w
vJanuary 14, 2015 at 11:16 am #1650221DogParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Herzog wrote:</div>
Good Lord that was depressing. There should be a warning attached to that!This is him on the inter-net
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A sample of his writing:
“le to fleece new suitors for taxpayer-subsidized stadiums – the St. Louis Rams and Tennessee Titans will settle their difference today in the 72-degree warmth of the enclosed Georgia Dome.
This will be a match painful to watch for many of the disenfranchised fans in Los Angeles, who supported the Rams for 49 seasons, and in Houston, who did the same with the Oilers for 37 seasons.
What will be even more aggravating to these people is that one of the miscreants responsible for the shift in residences – either the Oilers’ Bud Adams, or the Rams’ Georgia Frontiere – will be strutting on center stage this evening celebrating a Super Bowl victory.
The hunch here is that person will be Georgia Frontiere..
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…And thus expect to see the ungodly spectacle of George Frontiere, the seven-time married Rams owner, on the sidelines late in the fourth quarter tonight, savoring a 30-20 win by her minions and defying the laws of compensation yet again.”w
vThat was his style….pull no punches.
I agree 100 percent with him here.
He was definitely a love or hate him type of columnist.
January 14, 2015 at 11:20 am #16504wvParticipantThat was his style….pull no punches.
I agree 100 percent with him here.
He was definitely a love or hate him type of columnist.
I think I liked Jim Murray, more.
I used to subscribe to the LA Times back
in the 70’s. Just for two or three years or so.
I got to read some of the LA columnists. Murray
impressed me.w
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http://articles.latimes.com/1996-07-04/sports/sp-21017_1_deacon-jonesJim Murray
July 4, 1996He put the “d” in football. What? You say there is no “d” in football? There was the way Deacon Jones played it.
He put the word “sack” into the lexicon. He was the first one to conjure up the image of the fallen quarterback being wrapped in burlap or a body bag.
No one bothered to interview a defensive end before Deacon came along. You concentrated on the quarterbacks, the running backs. The glamour guys.
Deacon changed all that. He made defensive end into a cabinet post. He was the football administration’s official “Secretary of Defense.”
He was, in a way, the Muhammad Ali of football. Before Deacon, the game used to round up all the troglodytes it could find, suit them up and tell them, “Now, you just stand there and don’t let anyone by.”Deacon didn’t rely on brute strength, although he had plenty of that. Deacon relied on footwork, speed, deception. Deacon was as unstoppable as a flood, as elusive as a fly in a hot room.
When you hear a football crowd yell “Dee-fense! Dee-fense!” it is a tribute to Deacon. Before him, there was no such yell. Oh, maybe back in the Ivy League at a Harvard-Yale game, the student body in raccoon coats and flapper skirts would yell “Hold that line!” but it wasn’t the same thing.
You see, defense was a passive thing in those days. You waited at the line of scrimmage or slid along the length of it, waiting for the ballcarrier to crash into you like a ship hitting the rocks. The “Seven Blocks of Granite” were the kind of thing they used to call successful defenders.
Deacon Jones was nobody’s block of granite. He was on the move. The way Deacon played it, the defense did the attacking. The classic explanation of his job was, you just crash around or over the blockers and arrive at the quarterback in ill humor. Big Daddy Gene Lipscomb used to like to say he just charged in picking people up and throwing them aside till he found the one with the ball. Him, you kept.
Deacon did this better than anybody. Coaches sat up nights trying to devise schemes that would take the play away from No. 75. They couldn’t. This was because Deacon without the ball could run as fast as anyone with the ball. He had such impressive speed for a man 255 pounds that he used to race running backs–not linemen–in training camp for betting money. The Rams’ trainer, George Menefee, used to line up the suckers. Until, one day, the head coach, Harland Svare, asked them to stop. They were giving the team’s running backs inferiority complexes. Beaten by a down lineman!
The Deacon knew how to work the room too. He was one of the first to raise his hands to get the crowd to cheer for the home team. And he shared the nuances of modern defensive football with the fans by calling attention to them in the press. Deacon was never a “No comment” interview. Deacon had lots of comments. He was militant but not hobbled by hate.
Before Deacon, defensive linemen were the unknown soldiers of the sport. Silent butlers, so to speak. They were so safe from recognition that you figured you might find Jimmy Hoffa in there. Before Deacon, defensive linemen got drafted just ahead of placekick-holders.
The crowds used to go out for a beer and a hot dog when the Rams didn’t have the football. But when Deacon came along, they used to wait till the Rams did have the football. Deacon was more exciting to watch than Billy Wade or Ron Jaworski.
It wasn’t only speed and power with Deacon. Watching him charge the ballhandler was like watching Dempsey-Firpo. Deacon had perfected another weapon in the pass-rusher’s arsenal–the head slap. Deacon came across the line of scrimmage throwing these crazy rights and straight lefts to the helmet of the blocking backs till you could hear the heads rattling like dice in a cage. How effective was it? So effective, they outlawed it in Deacon’s last year.
Deacon was part of the greatest pass rush of all time–the Fearsome Foursome of Lamar Lundy, Rosey Grier, Merlin Olsen and the Deacon. They were as choreographed as “Swan Lake,” a ballet not a game. They didn’t come at you the same way twice. They didn’t invent, but they perfected the maneuvers known as “stunting” and “looping” where they traded positions or lunges at the snap of the ball to confound the offense. Johnny Unitas once said the passer got 3 1/2 seconds to get rid of the ball–except against the Rams’ Fearsomes where you were lucky they didn’t arrive when the ball did.
Deacon was so fast off the line that new officials used to conclude confusedly that he must have been offside. Deacon was like a good sprinter who can anticipate the starter’s gun from the initial click.
January 14, 2015 at 11:40 am #16507wvParticipantAs long as I’m surfing old Ram articles….this is from the 80s.
I wonder how an Updated version would look
with the GSOT players.w
vhttp://articles.latimes.com/1985-08-09/sports/sp-2626_1_bob-waterfield
All-Time Ram Team : Bob Waterfield Is Top Selection in Three Categories
August 09, 1985Bob Waterfield, who led the Rams to National Football League championships in Cleveland (1945) and Los Angeles (1951), was named in three categories to the Rams’ 40th anniversary all-time team, chosen by Times readers.
In a vote of 5,229 readers during July, Waterfield was selected as the Rams’ all-time quarterback, kicker and punter.
Waterfield received 1,921 votes in the quarterback category, beating Norm Van Brocklin with 1,399 and Roman Gabriel with 836.
Frank Corral was a distant second to Waterfield as the all-time kicker, as was Pat Studstill in the punting category.
Including 28 write-in votes Waterfield received as a defensive back, he got a total of 5,132 votes.
Defensive lineman Merlin Olsen got the most votes in a single category, 4,483, and current Ram defensive back Nolan Cromwell finished just behind Olsen in total votes for one category with 4,385.
Deacon Jones and Rosey Grier, Olsen’s linemates in the Rams’ Fearsome Foursome defensive front in the 1960s, also made the all-time team, as did current Ram Jack Youngblood. Jones got 4,010 votes, Youngblood got 3,331 and Grier 2,690.
Not surprisingly, the most popular current Ram, running back Eric Dickerson, was the top vote-getter at running back with 3,263. Dickerson, who last season set the NFL’s single-season rushing mark with 2,105 yards, easily finished ahead of second-place Dick Bass, who polled 2,113 votes.
Lawrence McCutcheon edged Jon Arnett by 35 votes for the third running back spot.
The other team members are wide receivers Elroy (Crazy Legs) Hirsch with 3,128 votes, and Tom Fears, 1,922; center Rich Saul, 2,081; offensive linemen Tom Mack, 3,490; Charlie Cowan, 2,436; Joe Scibelli, 2,398, and Dennis Harrah, 2,155; tight end Bob Klein, 1,135; linebackers Jack Reynolds, 2,750; Jack Pardee, 2,546, and Les Richter, 1,723; defensive backs Ed Meador, 2,728; Dave Elmendorf, 2,152, and Dick (Night Train) Lane, 1,902; kickoff return specialist Arnett, 2,234, and punt return specialist LeRoy Irvin, 1,272.
A ceremony will be held at halftime of Saturday night’s exhibition game between the Rams and Houston Oilers at Anaheim Stadium. The game is sponsored by Times Charities.
THE TEAM
SELECTED BY READERS OF THE TIMES
OFFENSE DEFENSE POSITION PLAYER POSITION PLAYER
Quarterback Bob Waterfield
Lineman Merlin Olsen
Running Back Eric Dickerson
Lineman Fred Dryer
Running Back Dick Bass
Lineman Deacon Jones
Running Back Lawrence McCutcheon
Lineman Jack Youngblood
Lineman Tom Mack
Lineman Rosey Grier
Lineman Charlie Cowan
Linebacker Jack Reynolds
Lineman Joe Scibelli
Linebacker Jack Pardee
Lineman Dennis Harrah
Linebacker Les Richter
Center Rich Saul
Back Nolan Cromwell
Tight End Bob Klein
Back Eddie Meador
Receiver Elroy Hirsch
Back Dave Elmendorf
Receiver Tom Fears
Back Dick (Night Train) Lane
Punter Bob Waterfield
Punt Returner LeRoy Irvin
Kicker Bob Waterfield
Kick Returner Jon ArnettJanuary 15, 2015 at 12:51 am #1655721DogParticipantMurray was a pure wordsmith, one of the greatest sports columnists ever and had a great sense of humor.
Krikorian was a beat writer for many years (Lakers, Rams) and also wrote a column in a completely different style than Murray.
January 15, 2015 at 6:54 pm #16622AgamemnonParticipanthttp://www.stltoday.com/entertainment/article_1683d7d6-ddf1-545f-9c95-5f5b6d6a4ff4.html#.VLhIe6KaFz4.twitter
NFL exec: St. Louis must build new stadium to keep NFL
35 minutes ago • By David HunnST. LOUIS • Local planners must build a new football stadium here, or St. Louis will not hold onto its franchise, a key National Football League executive said on Thursday.
NFL Executive Vice President Eric Grubman, who is in charge of stadium development as well as developing the Los Angeles market, came to St. Louis on Thursday to meet with Gov. Jay Nixon’s two-man stadium team.
He confirmed, for the first time ever by a league official, that St. Louis Rams owner Stan Kroenke is indeed “looking” elsewhere.
“I’m not going to get into specifics, other than he’s said he’s going to keep his options open and he’s looking,” Grubman said.
But he also said Kroenke has not made it clear to the league if he wants to move to Los Angeles, as has long been discussed since Kroenke purchased land there last year.
And league officials are not even considering such a move, Grubman said.
“We’re looking for a solution to the St. Louis Rams to be the St. Louis Rams, not for some other team to be the St. Louis Rams,” he said.
Grubman said he came to St. Louis to offer the NFL’s help in development of a new stadium, with hopes the team will make progress on the plan announced last week.
Is a stadium necessary to keep the Rams?
“Yes,” Grubman responded. “But I don’t know what kind of stadium. A team healthy in its market is the prescription,” he continued.
“The way that was pursued over the past couple years has failed,” he said. “The probability that it will be resurrected is zero.
“Therefore we need to look at a new solution. There’s no other stadium to be renovated or retrofitted. Ergo, the solution set involves a new stadium.”
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