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February 6, 2016 at 10:09 am #38651
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ModeratorRams move thrills NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, but team relocation issues remain
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/rams-702969-goodell-nfl.html
SAN FRANCISCO – Three weeks after the NFL ended a quest of more than 20 years to return to the Los Angeles-Orange County region, Commissioner Roger Goodell on Friday lauded the transformative potential of the Rams’ relocation to a new $2.66 billion stadium in Inglewood.
“The Rams (are) returning to their home of Los Angeles with an incredible stadium complex that will exceed all expectations of our fans in the entertainment capital of the world,” Goodell said during his annual pre-Super Bowl news conference. “We believe this will be transformational, not just for the Rams, not just for the Los Angeles community but for the NFL.”
But the league’s relocation process was multi-pronged, aiming not only to create the blockbuster project necessary to guarantee the NFL’s success in the nation’s second-largest market but also to address stadium issues in Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis. And while NFL officials and owners are confident Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s Hollywood Park project has set the league up to succeed in a market that confounded the NFL even before the Rams and Raiders left it after the 1994 season, the process did not resolve the stadium issues in the three home markets.
Which is why many in and around the league this week are asking whether enough is happening in San Diego and Oakland for the Chargers and Raiders to stay in those markets.
“We had three cities with great NFL histories, we had three franchises with great brands so the commercial power of each of those three was terrific,” said NFL executive vice president Eric Grubman, the league’s point man on the relocation process. “We had things ripen in Los Angeles in such a way that we had multiple options and that was clear 15, 16 months ago, and so with that amount of time to work with and such a high probability that we were going to get to Los Angeles.
“… We didn’t get the other part of it done.”
League officials and several prominent owners said they are hopeful the Chargers can still secure a new stadium in San Diego, although their voices were not brimming with confidence. Officials and owners also said they would at least be open to considering Davis’ potential scenarios in Las Vegas or the San Antonio-Austin corridor if talks became serious and the Raiders run out of options in the East Bay.
“It is very much a priority for us,” Goodell said. “We want to work to try to keep our teams where they are. … My issue is, and my pledge to Dean Spanos, to Mark Davis, to the mayor of Oakland and mayor of San Diego is to do everything possible we can to support them, to try to get the right kind of facilities long-term in both of those markets.”
Having protected his franchise’s financial future by securing an agreement in principle with the Rams to play in the Inglewood stadium, Chargers chairman Dean Spanos is pursuing a new stadium in San Diego. Under an agreement in which the NFL owners approved the Rams’ relocation last month, the Chargers have until Jan. 15 to commit to moving to Inglewood or staying in San Diego. The Chargers hope to secure enough signatures of registered voters to get a new stadium initiative on the ballot in November’s election.
“It’s not surprising to me at all that Dean is evaluating his options and seeing what can be done that’s best for the Chargers,” Grubman said. “I think it was the right sequence for him to make sure he knew what was available in Los Angeles and to then have the conversations with San Diego.”
Spanos could decide as early as next week whether to pursue a new stadium in Mission Valley near Qualcomm Stadium, the Chargers’ current home, or a combined stadium-convention center complex on the city’s downtown waterfront. While the potential revenue streams in San Diego are not as high as they are in Inglewood, by staying in their current market the Chargers would not have to pay an annual relocation of $65 million for 10 years. As part of the January relocation agreement, the league also pledged $100 million grants to both the Chargers and Raiders for local stadium projects in addition to $200 million from the league’s G-4 stadium fund.
“I’m hopeful he can get something done because it’s a great community, it’s a great market for us,” Giants owner John Mara said. “But he needs a new stadium. … Now they have a timetable. All of us want to see the Chargers stay in San Diego if possible.”
Spanos has spent $20 million looking at nine stadium sites over the past 15 years to no avail. The Chargers, citing concerns about the legality of plans for a fast-tracked environmental impact review process, broke off negotiations with San Diego city and county officials last June on a $1.1 billion stadium in Mission Valley proposed by a task force appointed by San Diego Mayor Kevin Faulconer. The breakdown further widened the public rift between the Chargers and local public officials and business leaders.
Even before things got nasty last summer, two polls commissioned by the Chargers and conducted last year by two national firms, highlighted public opposition in San Diego to public funding for a new stadium. When asked if they favored $350 million from the general fund being used to pay for the proposed stadium, 65 percent of San Diego voters surveyed said no. Thirty-five percent favored using public funds to partially finance the project.
“I can only tell you what I have seen for the past couple of years,” Grubman said. “I’m optimistic that San Diego is a terrific market. I’m optimistic because the Chargers fans are unbelievably committed and passionate and I’m not just talking public hearings. They’ve been supporting the team and they continue to support the team and I think they would chase the buses out of town if the team left. They’re very, very good fans. Third is you have a mayor and you have a city and county pledging to be connected at the hip in supporting public funding, which is a tough hill to climb and they’re willing to go to the polls to do it.”
There is little if any optimism that Davis can get something done in the East Bay. That Grubman has not met with Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf this week is another indication that there is nothing on the horizon for the Raiders.
“In Oakland the mayor has indicated they just don’t have the funds to help. So that makes it very difficult,” said Houston owner Bob McNair, a member of the league’s Los Angeles and finance committees. It was McNair who first proposed the $100 million stadium grants to the Raiders and Chargers. “I hope they can figure out some way to come up with some funding to participate.”
With local funding sources unavailable currently or for the foreseeable future Davis has also looked at options in Texas and Las Vegas.
Davis was asked Friday about his meeting in Las Vegas last week with billionaire Sheldon Adelson, who is planning to build an NFL-caliber stadium near the Nevada-Las Vegas campus.
“What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas and I’ll just keep it there,” Davis said.
But the Raiders relocating to either location has also been met with skepticism, the conventional wisdom being that McNair and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones would fight another franchise relocating to Texas and that the league would be reluctant to place a franchise, especially the Raiders, in a gambling hub such as Las Vegas.
“The league doesn’t have any formal view or policy for or against any market that I’m aware of,” Grubman said. “ … In order for a team to relocate they need to have a market that’s deemed acceptable from a commercial standpoint. You have to have a place to play temporarily, and you have to have a permanent plan that’s been approved. So you have to have all those things together in order to be approved for relocation.
“As to whether San Antonio or Las Vegas or any other market can do that, it’s very hard, … until it’s done you can’t say yes. You can say maybe. You can say I’m optimistic or you can go down and say here’s what the building blocks are but you can’t say yes.”
McNair said he would be willing to consider a Raiders move to the Austin-San Antonio corridor.
“Texas is a big state and we’d like to see the Raiders find a solution to their situation,” McNair said. “So I would look at it quite openly.”
The Giants’ Mara took a more cautious approach to the Raiders relocating to Las Vegas.
“My personal hope is that (Davis) stays in Oakland because I think it’s a great market,” he said. “If (Las Vegas) ends up being his only choice it’s something we would have to discuss.”
Adelson, the owner of the Las Vegas Sands casino company, would like to put together a public-private partnership to build a $1 billion domed stadium on 42 acres recently purchased by UNLV. The stadium would be shared by the university and an NFL franchise.
Asked if Las Vegas was an NFL market, Davis said “It definitely is.”
Grubman said the UNLV parcel is big enough for a stadium with the right parking facilities and access components.
Whether anyone in Nevada was penciling out the numbers, whether anything was happening in Vegas, Davis wasn’t saying Friday.
“Right now we’re the Oakland Raiders,” he said.
February 6, 2016 at 10:12 am #38652zn
Moderatorfrom On brink of retirement, ex-Ram Finnegan gets Carolina call
When asked if he was surprised about the Rams’ relocation to Los Angeles, Finnegan replied: “Not surprised. I knew it was coming two, three years ago. They had already said it was gonna happen. We knew.”
Finnegan said the “they” he was referring to was Fisher.
“He said that two or three years ago,” Finnegan said. “I think that’s the reason he stuck with it because he knew. Because they knew they were gonna make that transition (to Los Angeles).”
February 8, 2016 at 6:28 pm #38756zn
ModeratorWhat It’ll Take To Get LA Memorial Coliseum Ready For Rams
What It’ll Take To Get LA Memorial Coliseum Ready For Rams
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LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — From two Olympic Games to the first Super Bowl fifty years ago, the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum has a rich and storied history.
Now, the stadium may have to get prepared for a blast from the past as the Rams, who played here until 1981, prepare to take the field again.
In fact, the Rams will call the Coliseum home for three seasons until the Inglewood project is ready.
“The NFL has walked this grass. They’re happy with it. We should be just fine with this turf,” said Joe Furin, the coliseum’s general manager.
“There are things we don’t necessarily meet NFL standards. The question is going to be, ‘Will the Rams want them on short-term basis or be able to live with what we have?’ ” he said.
One such thing may be the stadium lights.
“There’s a range on how low or how bright they can be. We’re on the lower end right now. The NFL standards are a little higher than that,” he said.
And the Trojan-branded locker room.
Furin says real estate is tight and there’s not much room to build anything new.
“The challenges are going to be on Saturday and Sunday, changing out from a USC look and branding to whatever the Rams branding is,” he said.
But Furin says, just like the Staples Center flips the floor, they’ll flip the field.
USC plans to spend $270 million to upgrade everything down to the seats on the aging stadium. Hosting an NFL team like the Rams will certainly help with that cost.
Those renovations won’t start until 2019 after the Rams are set to move.
The NFL has used temporary collegiate stadiums before. Two years ago, the NFL and the Vikings spent nearly $10 million to upgrade TCF Bank Stadium at the University of Minnesota, so they’ll likely kick in for upgrades here.
“I talked with the head coach for the now Los Angeles Rams Jeff Fisher and he made it clear that the only thing that they need is good seats and green grass and they will do the rest,” said County Supervisor Mark Ridley-Thomas.
Ridley-Thomas is the president of the Coliseum Commission. He says hosting the Rams is a chance for Angelenos to root for the home team while watching history repeat itself.
“People will have that as an extra, added feature of what will make the next three seasons very special right here in Exposition Park,” he said.
Serene BransonFebruary 11, 2016 at 8:40 am #38834zn
ModeratorSt. Louis Rams fans send 26 orders of poop to owner Stan Kroenke
By Alex Butler | Jan. 16, 2016
“But Wednesday, the move became official. St. Louis podcaster Kelly Manno followed the news by following through on a peculiar promise.
Manno said on her podcast ‘the Kelly Manno Show’ Monday that she would be sending team owner Stan Kroenke a pile of poop.
“St. Louis is pissed off,” Manno said on her podcast. “And here’s one thing that I have learned about St. Louis through this whole debacle. St. Louis is like having a crazy relative that you can talk bad about — but nobody else can talk bad about them, or you’ll kill them. We can trash it all day long, but when Kroenke trashes it, you’re getting poop.”
“I don’t even have that much of a dog in the fight, because I’m not that big a football fan, but I still thought we should send Stan Kroenke some poop,” Manno said on the podcast.
Manno made the delivery possible with an order from I Poop You, a “professional poop delivery service. For that special someone.”
Manno had no trouble raising money for the order, according to the Riverfront Times. She even had a GoFundMe account, before it was shutdown forcing her to go to PayPal.
Guillermo, who works for the company, told Manno that the company has a variety of cow, pig, horse and chicken poop. The website features options such as: “Cow Chocolate Pudding, Horse Spring-Rolls, Oink-Oink Turds, Chicken Delights, Goat Bites, and Reindeer Droppings.”
Manno and other donors were able to purchase 26 orders of poop for $250.
February 11, 2016 at 5:46 pm #38848zn
ModeratorTHE WOW FACTOR
Few could have guessed that the league’s return would become so bloody, bitter and, most of all, emblematic of how power in the NFL truly works.BY SETH WICKERSHAM AND DON VAN NATTA JR.
On West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles, an overgrown tree obscures a whitewashed, two-story building sandwiched between a radio station and a studio lot. Inside, it’s a time warp. The battered carpet is blue, and the rippled wallpaper is bubbling, peeling off. Behind glass is a showcase of dull trophies and yellowed photos from another era. Everything is labeled “Los Angeles Rams.” That team, of course, left LA, its home for nearly half a century, for St. Louis after the 1994 season. But on most days since, this nondescript office has remained open, staffed by two people: John Shaw, the former team president who engineered the franchise’s flight from Anaheim to St. Louis, and his secretary. They work in this nearly invisible team outpost, as if the Rams never left.
One NFL owner called the meeting a “s— show.” A “nightmare,” another said. Yet another described it as “the most contentious and polarizing” in decades. On Dec. 2 at the Four Seasons in Irving, Texas, the owners-only meeting had a single agenda item: Which team or teams should be allowed to relocate to Los Angeles?
The inability of America’s most popular sport to occupy the nation’s second-largest market since the Rams and Raiders left after the 1994 season had become a running joke. In the past two decades, at least 20 Los Angeles stadium proposals had been designed and junked. An expansion team had been awarded to LA in 1999 but then, mired in red tape, sent to Houston to become the Texans. Many clubs had used the threat of moving to Los Angeles as leverage to build new, publicly financed stadiums. But now, the idea of at least one franchise relocating to LA wasn’t just a fanciful notion. It was real.
One proposal was for Stan Kroenke, owner of the St. Louis Rams, to build the world’s most expensive stadium, a $2.7 billion, 80,000-seat roofed venue in Inglewood, just east of Los Angeles International Airport. The other proposal was for the San Diego Chargers and Oakland Raiders, owned by Dean Spanos and Mark Davis, to share a $1.8 billion, 65,000-seat open-air stadium in Carson, a city about 12 miles south of Los Angeles.
Most owners meetings are boring. Some members doze. Groupthink often prevails. Not this time. For hours, the owners argued and traded barbs. New York Jets owner Woody Johnson spoke in support of Kroenke four times, to the annoyance of others waiting to be heard just once. Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross joked that the league should hold an auction for the right to relocate, though some owners thought he was serious. Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson argued that Spanos, a beloved owner who for more than a decade had tried to build a new stadium in San Diego, deserved the market.
Others insisted that Kroenke had the land and the money not just to build a spectacular football venue rivaling Cowboys owner Jerry Jones’ AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas, but to return to Los Angeles with a transcendent “football campus,” as an owner later put it, with a shopping mall, movie theater, office complex and luxury apartments. The project, to be mostly paid in full by Kroenke, had the “wow factor,” Jones liked to say.
The dueling proposals did not only represent the NFL’s most recent, best opportunity to return to Los Angeles. They had also become the centerpiece of a chaotic power struggle among the league’s 32 owners, between the so-called new-money group, with members who all supported Inglewood, and the old guard, most of whom favored Carson. Going into the meeting, most believed Carson had more votes. But one moment, many would later recall, seemed to halt its momentum. Michael Bidwill, president of the Cardinals and a Carson supporter, argued that the NFL doesn’t exist just to make rich owners richer. Owners needed to consider what would be best for the league, and …
Jones cut him off: “When you guys moved the team from St. Louis to Phoenix — it wasn’t about the money?”
As Bidwill tried to answer, Jones moved in for the kill: “You did it for the money.”
TWO YEARS EARLIER, on Aug. 27, 2013, Kroenke and Spanos met for a private dinner at Mastro’s Steakhouse in Beverly Hills. At a corner table, the two talked cordially — a quiet beginning to a 29-month saga that would end on Jan. 12 of this year in a Houston hotel. Back then, neither man could have guessed that the league’s return to Los Angeles would become so bloody, bitter and, most of all, emblematic of how power in the NFL truly works. In contentious closed-door meetings in Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, New York and, finally, Houston, owners belittled, undercut — even bullied — each other in ways never before witnessed, according to interviews with more than two dozen owners, league officials, team executives, lawyers and staffers involved in the relocation efforts, many of whom requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the negotiations.
The split between owners had as much to do with personal loyalties as it did the appeal of the two stadium proposals. The ruthlessness of Kroenke was fixed in sharp relief against the abidance of Spanos. The savvy of Jones, who led the new-money Inglewood supporters, clashed with the brute force of Richardson, leader of the old-money Carson backers. Bob Iger, chairman and CEO of The Walt Disney Company — which owns ESPN — was enlisted to run the Carson project, with the hope that his star power could offset Kroenke’s money. It wasn’t enough. In the end, no owner would feel more pain than Spanos, the league loyalist who did everything his peers asked of him — only to be forced to work out a face-saving partnership with the man who had beaten him to LA, a process that likely won’t be resolved until 2017.
If you want to do it right, you have to step up.”
– Jerry Jones, endorsing Stan Kroenke’s visionSpanos and Kroenke had long targeted Los Angeles as the best, most attractive option for relocation of their respective teams. Their peers viewed them as being on opposite sides of the ownership spectrum. Now 68 years old, Kroenke — tall and thin with a thick mustache — was a largely quiet partner who rarely attended owners meetings and had little patience for the league’s glacial-paced relocation process. He has made much of his estimated net worth of $7.6 billion in real estate and bought several sports teams, including the Avalanche and the Nuggets. After his 2011 majority stake purchase of the English Premier League team Arsenal, Kroenke had pined for the larger international presence that other owners envisioned for the NFL’s global future.
With thinning brown hair and rimmed glasses, Spanos was deeply involved in league matters, “loyal to a fault,” in the words of a close friend. Now 65, he ran the team owned by his 92-year-old father, Alex Spanos. The NFL was his primary business, even if many owners wondered whether he possessed the sharp elbows of his father.
At Mastro’s, the two men met to determine whether they might have a shared vision for Los Angeles. Kroenke was enthusiastic about a 60-acre tract of land in Inglewood, nestled between the Forum and the soon-to-be-closed Hollywood Park racetrack. Earlier in the year, Kroenke had driven around the site at 5:30 a.m. and raved about its potential to Rams chief operating officer Kevin Demoff and to Jones. Spanos, though, was cool on the Inglewood location, citing concerns about parking and traffic.
Still, both men, and their associates, saw the convivial dinner as a promising first step toward a potential partnership. They agreed to be in touch.
But after the dinner, Spanos called Kroenke several times. Kroenke never returned any of the calls.
Despite Spanos’ reservations, the Inglewood land — owned at the time by Wal-Mart, the family business of Kroenke’s wife, Ann Walton Kroenke — still intrigued Kroenke. At the time, it was being sold in a blind auction. Without any warning to Spanos, a company set up by Kroenke, Pincay RE LLC, offered $90 million, outbidding everyone — including NFL executive Eric Grubman, who later would become the league’s point man on the relocation process. Nobody knew whether Grubman had bid on his own or on behalf of the league or some other buyer. But Kroenke’s purchase — and his later deal for an adjacent 238 acres — was a precursor of what would become the dominant theme of the NFL’s return to Los Angeles:
Stan Kroenke would not be stopped.
NOBODY KNEW IT at the time, but the league office had already lost control of the Los Angeles relocation process. Commissioner Roger Goodell’s mishandling of the Ray Rice domestic violence discipline in the summer and autumn of 2014 distracted him from executing the league’s longtime goal of returning to LA and severely weakened his standing in ownership circles. Meetings about LA that were scheduled for September were pushed to November. The distractions also created a power vacuum that Grubman — and other owners — eagerly filled.
Spanos reacted to Kroenke’s Inglewood purchase by proposing to buy a 168-acre landfill lot in Carson. He and his team had designed a creative development method, based on a landmark California Supreme Court decision a few months earlier, that would expedite the arduous process of entitling a stadium to a city council vote, overcoming legal hurdles that often take years to clear. At a meeting in Los Angeles in mid-November 2014, the Chargers leaders presented their plan to Grubman, who some owners and executives suspected favored Kroenke and Inglewood.
Both proposals were rolling forward. And then, all of a sudden, they weren’t. Later in November, several owners who would serve on the league’s LA committee told Kroenke no team would be moving for the 2015 season — owing, in part, to Goodell’s weakened leadership. In mid-December, on the eve of an important Carson City Council stadium meeting, Art Rooney II of the Steelers delivered the same message to Spanos, telling him to “stand down.” Spanos complied.
But Kroenke, who was well-versed in relocation politics after he had helped move the Rams to St. Louis as a minority owner after the 1994 season, told a few owners that he would play one more season in St. Louis but would exercise his right to relocate in 2015 — “when the window is open,” he told associates. Some took Kroenke’s declaration as a veiled threat to sue if anyone tried to block him; others understood that he had paid a fortune for the land and wanted to move forward. Jerry Jones, who once played himself on an episode of Entourage brokering the NFL’s return to LA, implored Kroenke to “just go” and not wait for the league’s sluggish bureaucracy.
And so on Jan. 5, 2015, Kroenke unveiled plans to build his Inglewood stadium, all but announcing a move to Los Angeles. Spanos and his associates not only were furious that Kroenke had beaten them out of the gate but were also deeply suspicious of Kroenke’s plan to fast-track the entitlement process. It was the exact process they’d presented to Grubman. The Chargers suspected that Grubman had alerted the Rams to it; the Rams insisted that their own California-based development company knew about it.
Either way, it didn’t matter. Carson was behind.
STAY IN THE GAME. If we’re not in the game, we get nothing. Stay in the game.
That’s what the Chargers executives kept telling each other. Kroenke had land, money and, most of all, the shrewdness required to relocate. He was willing to sacrifice his relationship with Rams fans and with the state in which he was raised — something that Spanos, for all of his fights with San Diego politicians, seemed reluctant to do. Spanos needed help. So Richardson suggested that he partner with Mark Davis on the Carson project. For years, the Chargers and Raiders, both of whom play in baseball venues built in the 1960s, had failed to persuade their communities to help offset the costs of new football-only stadiums. If two teams moved together, Richardson said, it would help solve the league’s “California dilemma,” as owners called it.
Most owners liked the eccentric Davis, now 60, even if they knew him only as the quiet guy with the bowl cut who had pushed his father Al’s wheelchair through hotel lobbies at league meetings. Still, many wondered whether Davis, who never had an official job with the Raiders until he assumed control of the team after his father’s death in 2011, was up to the challenge of shepherding a stadium project alone. He had turned down many offers to partner with the 49ers at Levi’s Stadium in Santa Clara, and for years, the Davis family had resisted offers to buy the team and move it south. During one such lunch meeting in 2010, two Los Angeles businessmen pitched a lowball offer to Al Davis, who started laughing. “F— you,” he told them. “Get the hell out of here.” And he went back to eating his lunch.
So on Feb. 19, 2015, six weeks after Kroenke’s Inglewood announcement, the Raiders and Chargers proposed their Carson project, a football-only venue, unlike the epicenter planned for Inglewood, and financed mostly by Goldman Sachs. Looking back now, some around the league wish that Goodell had locked the three owners in a room and forced them to cut a deal right then, avoiding the battles and hurt feelings that would unfold. Instead, Goodell allowed the NFL’s messy form of democracy to run its course, appearing strangely detached in meetings. He said almost nothing while Grubman, who, like Goodell, declined to comment for this story, appeared to be too close to Kroenke; some involved in the process said they had expected Grubman to be strictly neutral. The disjointed process was leading to discontent among owners, at a time when, with football’s long-term future a constant topic of debate, solidarity was needed.
The stage was now set for a showdown. On Aug. 11, 2015, the league’s owners convened at the Hyatt Regency, in a Chicago suburb, for a special LA meeting. For the first time, both sides presented their proposals.
When you guys moved the team from St. Louis to Phoenix — it wasn’t about the money?” As Bidwill tried to answer, Jones moved in for the kill: “You did it for the money.”
– Jerry Jones to Michael Bidwill, president of the Arizona Cardinals
The Carson team went first. During its presentation, Grubman paced in the back of the conference room, drinking coffee.
The Rams contingent went next. Grubman moved to the front of the room and took a seat at the commissioner’s table. The presenters showed off a model of their football oasis, and Mark Davis stared at it in awe.
Saints owner Tom Benson posed the first question about Inglewood, asking why owners should defray the costs of the extra real estate developments — up to $200 million in league loans available for new stadiums — that would benefit only Kroenke. But before Kroenke and Demoff could say a word, Grubman jumped in to answer the question, explaining that Benson misunderstood the amount of money the league would contribute.
The pro-Carson owners couldn’t believe that a league official appeared to be speaking on behalf of the Rams’ proposal. That moment, along with persistent rumors that Grubman wanted to work for Kroenke in Los Angeles, cemented in the minds of some owners that he was an agent for Inglewood.
Later in the meeting, Bears chairman George McCaskey asked whether Kroenke would be willing to share the stadium with a second team. Kroenke reminded the owners of a 2012 memo from Goodell that mandated that any LA stadium be built to house two teams. Kroenke said he could quickly draw up a lease if necessary.
Some of the owners on the NFL’s six-person Committee on Los Angeles Opportunities — Richardson, Rooney, John Mara of the Giants, Robert Kraft of the Patriots, Clark Hunt of the Chiefs and Bob McNair of the Texans, most of whom were considered the old guard and supported Carson — were offended. Spanos’ family had always put the league first, and now Kroenke had declared that if it were necessary to take on a second team, the Chargers would be relegated to a tenant, junior-partner status. Kroenke considered his invitation to be sincere. He had extended a hand as far as he could, given the agreement between Spanos and Davis for Carson.
Before the meeting ended, Jones, as would be his habit, took control. He delivered a rollicking, profanity-laced eight-minute endorsement of Kroenke’s monumental vision, saying in his Arkansas drawl that whichever owner returned to Los Angeles, he needed to have “big balls.”
It was awkward and hilarious. Everyone, including Kroenke, tried not to laugh. But it was also a welcomed sentiment for the new-money owners such as Dan Snyder of the Redskins and Jeffrey Lurie of the Eagles, who backed Inglewood. “If you want to do it right,” Jones continued, “you have to step up.”
With a final vote scheduled for Jan. 12, 2016, in Houston, only five months away, the Carson supporters knew they were in trouble. Making matters worse, Spanos and Davis had argued with each other about Carson earlier that day in front of other owners. Still, Jones sensed Spanos had enough support to prevent Kroenke from going to Los Angeles alone. After the meeting, Jones approached Spanos on the tarmac where a handful of owners had parked their planes.
“I want you in LA with Stan,” Jones told Spanos.
Spanos was noncommittal. He had no interest in partnering with Kroenke.
Meanwhile, a few old-guard owners had another idea to help their friend. If Carson was going to succeed, the project needed a star.
BY THE NUMBERS
INGLEWOOD
HKS Inc.
Boss Stan Kroenke, Rams owner, net worth $7.6 billion
Capacity 80,000
Planned Completion Date 2019
Cost $2.7 billion, privately financed
Total Area 298 acres
Focal Points and Perks Will be part of a mixed-use development complex, including a 6,000-seat performance venue, a 300-room hotel, 890,000 square feet of retail space, 2,500 residential units, 25 acres of parks and space for the NFL Network.SHORTLY BEFORE THE Chicago meetings, Bob Iger received a call from Jerry Richardson. The Panthers’ owner wanted to meet the Disney CEO, but Richardson didn’t identify the topic — only that the sit-down should be conducted under strict secrecy. An Iger confidant suggested that Richardson was inquiring about his interest in perhaps replacing the wounded Goodell, but Iger suspected otherwise.
After all, a year earlier both Goodell and Kraft had asked Iger whether he’d be interested in getting involved in a team that could move to LA, tapping into his local expertise and gravitas. The topic came up again in April when Iger ran into Mark Davis at a Clippers game, a meeting that led to a few discussions about Iger buying a share of the Raiders. And so when Iger and Richardson met on Aug. 5 for two hours in Iger’s office in Burbank, Richardson asked Iger about the market. One team or two? Carson or Inglewood? They agreed to stay in touch.
Over the next few days, Iger researched the Carson site online, noting its proximity to a cross-section of freeways. Richardson and Iger met two more times, talked often on the phone and traded email. Iger liked the fact that Carson would be an open-air stadium, unlike the roofed one Kroenke wanted to build. He also preferred parking lots rather than the garages proposed at Inglewood that would limit tailgating and make game-day traffic a mess. “This is great,” Iger told Richardson. It was exactly what Richardson wanted to hear. So he asked whether Iger would be willing to talk with Spanos and Davis about it.
In early October, Iger met with Spanos at the Shutters hotel in Santa Monica. A month later, Disney’s board of directors approved Iger’s involvement. On Nov. 11, it was announced that Iger had become the nonexecutive chairman of Carson Holdings, the joint venture between the Chargers and Raiders, with an option to become a minority owner of one of the franchises after the stadium was completed.
Goodell, who privately preferred the Inglewood site but had pledged to remain neutral, told a friend that Iger’s involvement was a potential “game changer” for Carson. Having helped negotiate billions of dollars of rights contracts with the NFL, Iger and some of the owners were acquaintances. He knew how the league worked. Many owners who had considered Kroenke to be a Los Angeles lock worried that now he might lose.
BY THE NUMBERS
CARSON
Manica
Boss Alex Spanos, Dean Spanos and family, Chargers owners, net worth $1.689 billion, and Raiders owner Mark Davis, net worth $500 million. Disney chairman and CEO Bob Iger, who oversaw the project.
Capacity 65,000
Planned Completion Date 2019 (but won’t be built now)
Cost $1.8 billion, privately financed
Total Area 168 acresFocal Points and Perks 850,000 square feet for commercial, entertainment and other uses, a farmers market and a 350-room hotel.
OWNERS AND EXECUTIVES say the following weeks were among the wildest they had seen. They called and texted each other daily with sales pitches, demands and gossip. Almost nothing was out of bounds. Some Carson supporters weighed ways to try to jam up Kroenke, such as forcing him to pay the entire $550 million relocation fee up front while giving Spanos and Davis a payment plan. Undecided owners considered the price of their vote, whether it was changing their division and conference alignment, horse-trading a vote for a promise of future support for an ownership succession plan or a new stadium of their own. Others were convinced that some owners didn’t even know where Carson and Inglewood were located. “Owners were all over the place,” one team executive says.
By most estimates, Carson had managed to cobble together 18 votes, shy of the 24 required for relocation. The Rams moving alone to Inglewood had only about seven votes. Many owners thought Kroenke was hell-bent on trying to reach nine, just enough to prevent the Carson project from reaching 24 votes and keeping him in the game. The silent majority preferred the Inglewood site but liked Spanos better than Kroenke. Most owners wanted to avoid a Raiders return to Los Angeles, owing to Al Davis’ burned bridges and the co-opting of the team apparel by gangs, concerns so deep that some wouldn’t even consider Carson. “It’s hard to get owners to move,” Iger says now. “Each one is a boss in his own right.”
And so the battle for Los Angeles became a battle between Richardson and Jones, two Jerrys with dueling powers of persuasion. Jones mostly worked the phones, trying to broker a partnership for the Rams and Chargers in Inglewood. On Nov. 27, Kroenke wrote a letter pledging to allow a partner, though it would not extend to the stadium’s design or the surrounding development. It was a major concession, encouraged by Jones after calculating that Kroenke likely wasn’t going to get 24 votes on his own. Spanos and Davis still refused to consider it, but Jones continued to push for support, convinced that the membership silently preferred it.
Richardson flew his private plane to visit several owners. Everyone around the league called it the Jerry Tour. He insisted that Carson was the better site and that the league not only would regret leaving St. Louis for a second time but would set an awful precedent by turning away the estimated $477 million in public funds for a new stadium that the state of Missouri was poised to offer. At times, Richardson’s hard-charging style, delivered with a threatening tone and citing favors he had done for them, offended some owners. “He bullied people,” a team executive says. “Some were turned off by his forcefulness.”
It was clear that the owners were playing by their own rules — and, as a league insider working with all three teams later said, “They make up the rules as they go.” A news report said that the league would pledge an extra $100 million to help St. Louis finance a new $1.1 billion riverfront stadium — a move that McNair, the Texans’ owner and a Carson supporter, predicted would prevent the Rams from meeting the league’s relocation guidelines. But days later, Goodell wrote a letter saying that the $100 million would not be available. And the night before St. Louis voted on the stadium package, Grubman called in to the show of local radio host Bernie Miklasz to describe St. Louis’ new stadium proposal as “suboptimal” and say that Kroenke was “going to keep his options open.” It seemed to validate what many had long suspected: He wanted the Rams to move.
It was chaos. The spectacle of NFL leaders undercutting St. Louis’ attempt to keep the Rams, and the uncertainty in San Diego and Oakland, was becoming another public-relations disaster. Goodell privately expressed frustration about all three owners — if they were elite, they wouldn’t be trying to relocate in the first place, he told a friend — but in the end, the commissioner supported their efforts to leave. A few days after all three teams filed for relocation, Goodell issued a 147-page report that called the efforts of all three markets to keep their respective teams “unsatisfactory and inadequate.” It was an official green light for all of them to move, knowing that at least one team would be forced to crawl back home.
Soon news broke that Kroenke would build a stadium in Inglewood no matter how the owners voted, a charge the mayor of Inglewood denied but some around the league believed to be true. Many Kroenke supporters were furious that he would risk alienating owners so close to a vote. “There it is,” said one executive of a pro-Inglewood team. “A big middle finger to the league.”
All three teams privately vowed to abide by the membership’s vote, and each of the three owners had to sign an agreement pledging not to sue if his relocation proposal was rejected. But by then the LA derby had become an open war, beyond anyone’s control. Before a late-season AFC game, two owners met in a luxury box and wondered how the LA vote would turn out in Houston. “I don’t know,” one owner told the other. “Stan is more interested in blocking Dean than he is in finding 24 votes.”
February 11, 2016 at 5:47 pm #38849zn
Moderator.
Note: the 1st of the 2 articles in this post refers to a long piece in ESPN that reveals a lot of details behind the relocation vote. That ESPN article is in the previous post in this thread.
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ESPN Story Details Ownership Squabbles As Stan Kroenke And Jerry Jones Strongarm Rams To Los Angeles
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2016/2/11/10967456/los-angeles-rams-st-louis-espn%5B/quote%5D
The devil is in the details.
You can’t really get beyond hyperbole when talking about NFL owners. They’re a crass, uncaring bunch on the whole.
But an ESPN report out today from Seth Wickersham and Don Van Natta, Jr., exposes just how crass Stan Kroenke was, enabled by Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and NFL exec Eric Grubman, in his push to move the Rams:
At Mastro’s, the two men met to determine whether they might have a shared vision for Los Angeles. Kroenke was enthusiastic about a 60-acre tract of land in Inglewood, nestled between the Forum and the soon-to-be-closed Hollywood Park racetrack. Earlier in the year, Kroenke had driven around the site at 5:30 a.m. and raved about its potential to Rams chief operating officer Kevin Demoff and to Jones. Spanos, though, was cool on the Inglewood location, citing concerns about parking and traffic.
Still, both men, and their associates, saw the convivial dinner as a promising first step toward a potential partnership. They agreed to be in touch.
But after the dinner, Spanos called Kroenke several times. Kroenke never returned any of the calls.
Despite Spanos’ reservations, the Inglewood land — owned at the time by Wal-Mart, the family business of Kroenke’s wife, Ann Walton Kroenke — still intrigued Kroenke. At the time, it was being sold in a blind auction. Without any warning to Spanos, a company set up by Kroenke, Pincay RE LLC, offered $90 million, outbidding everyone — including NFL executive Eric Grubman, who later would become the league’s point man on the relocation process. Nobody knew whether Grubman had bid on his own or on behalf of the league or some other buyer. But Kroenke’s purchase — and his later deal for an adjacent 238 acres — was a precursor of what would become the dominant theme of the NFL’s return to Los Angeles:
Stan Kroenke would not be stopped.
The whole thing’s worth your time. It’s nothing that we didn’t allude to here at TST throughout the entire process. It was a fight between the collectivists (or as the report deems them the “old money” owners) against the individualists (“new money”).
For all Kroenke’s conniving and Jerry Jones’ Yosemite Sam efforts, it wasn’t ever as smooth or as direct as it should have been. And that falls on NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, who the story points out numerous times is hardly seen as a decent authority figure to the owners.
In the end, it doesn’t change anything. But it does life the lid on the innerworkings of the process and shows just how dysfunctional the NFL really is.
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Inside the Rams relocation: A tale of intrigue, power plays and power players
Jim Thomas
A story in ESPN The Magazine & Outside The Lines, titled The Wow Factor, provides rich behind-the scenes details of the NFL relocation vote that ended up with the Rams leaving St. Louis for owner Stan Kroenke’s Inglewood stadium project in Los Angeles.
To a large degree, the article reinforces — and embellishes — months worth of reporting by the Post-Dispatch, particularly the work of reporter David Hunn.
And it does nothing to dispel the notion that:
1. The NFL steered the Rams to Los Angeles.
2. League executive Eric Grubman was pro-Inglewood and pro-Kroenke.
3. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was a major player in getting the Rams to Los Angeles — and out of St. Louis.
4. Old guard owners such as Jerry Richardson and Michael Bidwill lost a high stakes power-play to the new guard/new wave group.
Post-Dispatch football writer Jim Thomas isolates some highlights of the ESPN report and offers his comments:
“YOU DID IT FOR THE MONEY”
ESPN The Magazine: During a Dec. 2 meeting in Irving, Texas, Arizona Cardinals owner Michael Bidwill argued that the NFL doesn’t exist just to make rich owners richer. Owners needed to consider what would be best for the league. Jerry Jones cut him off. “When you guys moved the team from St. Louis to Phoenix — it wasn’t about the money?” As Bidwill tried to answer, Jones moved in for the kill: “You did it for the money.” This seemed to halt the Carson momentum.
Thomas’ take: Bidwill was a strong advocate of Carson and St. Louis throughout the process. He worked with Dave Peacock of the St. Louis task force trying to lobby neutral votes into the Carson camp and away from Stan Kroenke’s Inglewood plan. At a gathering of St. Louis football Cardinals alumni the night before the Cardinals-Rams game Dec. 6 at the Edward Jones Dome, he even told the group he was working for St. Louis. But Jones’ comments at the owners’ meetings apparently cut into his effectiveness.
SECRET MEETING
ESPN, The Magazine: San Diego Chargers owner Dean Spanos and Kroenke met at Mastro’s Steakhouse in Beverly Hills on Aug. 27, 2013 to discuss Los Angeles. Kroenke was enthusiastic about a 60-acre tract of land in Inglewood. After the dinner the two men agreed to stay in touch. but Kroenke never got back to Spanos. Kroenke purchased the land for $90 million, outbidding NFL executive Eric Grubman, who would become the league’s point man on relocation. Nobody knew whether Grubman had bid on his own or on behalf of the league or some other buyer.
Thomas: On Oct. 2,, 2015, the Post-Dispatch reported that Spanos had approached Kroenke in 2013 about the Inglewood site, and the possibility of working together to build a stadium in Los Angeles. But Kroenke never got back to Spanos, and much to the chagrin of Spanos purchased the land himself. One interesting difference in the two stories, both sourced anonymously: in the P-D story, sources said Kroenke didn’t know the Inglewood plot was for sale when he first met with Spanos. In any event, the move illustrated that Kroenke would stop at nothing to get what he wanted in LA, even if it meant alienating Spanos. After pulling off his end run for the initial Inglewood plot, Kroenke later told Spanos that, hey, he never lied to him during the initial purchase process. Maybe. But he never got back to him either.
THE GRUBMAN FACTOR
ESPN, The Magazine: On several occasions in the article, reference is made of suspicions by some owners and executives that Grubman worked for Kroenke and Inglewood, and thus against Spanos, Carson, and St. Louis. When Kroenke unveiled his Inglewood stadium plans on Jan. 5, 2015, it included a plan to fast-track the entitlement process — overcoming legal hurdles that often take years to clear. The Spanos camp had designed this creative entitlement method, based on a landmark California Supreme Court decision a few months earlier. The Spanos camp had presented this process to Grubman earlier; now Kroenke had it and was using it. The Spanos camp suspected that Grubman had alerted Kroenke to the method, which the Kroenke camp denied.
Thomas: There are a couple of other examples in the article of Grubman apparently favoring Kroenke and Inglewood, including a moment in the Aug. 11, 2015 owners meeting in Chicago where Grubman appeared to speak on Kroenke’s behalf. Things reached the point at the fateful owners meeting Jan. 12 in Houston that a rumor circulated that Grubman would end up with a high-ranking executive position with the Rams in Los Angeles in exchange for his help in getting the Inglewood project approved.
We will have more on Grubman in Saturday’s Post-Dispatch.
IGER JOINS CARSON
ESPN The Magazine Carolina owner Jerry Richardson met with and corresponded with Disney CEO Bob Iger on several occasions in the late summer early fall of 2015. When it became apparent that Iger favored Carson over Inglewood, Richardson paired him up with Spanos and Raiders owner Mark Davis. Commissioner Roger Goodell, who privately preferred the Inglewood site but pledged to remain neutral, thought the addition of Iger with Carson might be a potential “game-changer” for Carson.
Thomas: Iger obviously didn’t prove to be a “game-changer.” His presentation on Jan. 12 in Houston on behalf of Carson wasn’t nearly as impressive as the Inglewood presentation by Rams executive vice president Kevin Demoff. Not even the power of Disney could save the Rams in St. Louis.
BATTLE OF THE JERRYS
ESPN The Magazine: While Jerry Jones worked the phones and spoke bluntly at league meetings on behalf of Kroenke and Inglewood, Jerry Richardson worked on behalf of Spanos, Carson, and St. Louis. Richardson took to flying his private jet around the country — it was referred to as the Jerry Tour in league circles. Richardson said the league would not only regret leaving St. Louis, but would set a bad precedent by turning away from more than $400 million in public funds for the St. Louis stadium. But Richardon’s hard-charging style offended some owners. “He bullied people,” according to a team executive.
Thomas: The Post-Dispatch was also told, possibly by the same source, that Richardson “bullied people” in his tour. Richardson showed his hand at league committee meetings Nov. 11, 2015 in New York when he said he was pro-Carson and pro-St. Louis. Richardson had long been pro-St. Louis, engaging St. Louis Rams fans who had attended the Chicago owners meetings that August and giving them a thumbs-up sign. Richardson represented the league’s old guard, a group that dominated membership on the six-member Los Angeles Opportunities committee. But as the Houston vote ultimately showed, the new wave group of owners won this relocation battle over the old guard. In the end, in resounding fashion.
FINAL HOURS
ESPN The Magazine; Two factors that put Kroenke’s Inglewood project over the top surfaced at the Houston meeting. For one, the decision to go to a secret ballot. For another, a modified version of a Jerry Jones proposal that would pair the Chargers with the Rams in Inglewood. The latter surprised the Spanos group; in their minds it was an acknowledgement that the league was endorsing a Chargers-Rams solution in Inglewood.
Thomas: One of the key unanswered questions in the entire process was how and why the league decided on a secret ballot for the Houston votes, and the article doesn’t really address that issue. Secret ballots are a very rare occurrence in league matters. But several owners who apparently told Spanos to his face that they were in his corner voted the other way once the votes were secret.
February 11, 2016 at 8:32 pm #38865Zooey
ModeratorFebruary 12, 2016 at 8:20 am #38872zn
ModeratorReport: NFL VP tried to outbid Stan Kroenke for Los Angeles stadium land
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
February 11, 2016A big reason that the Rams earned the right to move to Los Angeles this season is because owner Stan Kroenke had almost unlimited resources: He had the land, he had the money and most importantly, he’s an experienced real estate developer who knew exactly what to do with those two things.
As it turns out, the NFL almost threw a huge wrench into Kroenke’s plan without even knowing it.
The Rams’ new stadium will be built on a 60-acre parcel of land in Inglewood, California, that Kroenke purchased in January 2014. However, he almost didn’t end up with the land because someone else wanted it.
According to ESPN.com, the land was sold in a blind auction that Kroenke ended up winning with a $90 million bid. The most interesting tidbit is that one of the people Kroenke beat out for the land was Eric Grubman, an executive vice president for the NFL.
Grubman’s not just any executive vice president. In August 2014, the league made him the point man on “stadium development, the return of a team presence to the Los Angeles area, the league’s strategic investment fund, and other key strategic initiatives.”
Before that, Grubman’s official title was President of Business Ventures, according to Bloomberg.
Since it was a blind auction, Kroenke didn’t know he was bidding against an NFL VP and the NFL VP didn’t know he was bidding against Kroenke. If Grubman’s bid had won, it’s possible the Los Angeles landscape would be completely different.
If the NFL had owned the 60 acres in Inglewood, it would’ve had complete control of the relocation process. Instead, it turned into a sideshow in cities like Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis.
Grubman would later help Kroenke’s cause. In December 2015, the NFL executive went on radio in St. Louis and bashed the city’s stadium plan, which called for $150 million in public funds and had just been approved by the city.
In the end, Kroenke got everything he wanted: He got the land, he got relocation approval and now he’s building a multibillion-dollar stadium that will likely host Super Bowls and NFL Drafts for years to come.
February 13, 2016 at 11:48 am #38933zn
ModeratorGrubman ‘insulted’ by Rams job rumor
Jim Thomas
On a January day full of rumors, it was one of the juiciest of the bunch. Namely, that NFL executive Eric Grubman, the league’s point man for relocation to Los Angeles, would end up with a high-ranking position with owner Stan Kroenke’s Rams on the West Coast.
For those who suspected Grubman had been pro-Kroenke and pro-LA all along, it fit the narrative. This all took place Jan. 12 in Houston, the day league owners approved the relocation of the Rams from St. Louis to Los Angeles.
The Post-Dispatch caught up with Grubman in San Francisco following NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell’s state of the NFL news conference on Feb. 5. He strongly denied the Rams job rumor.
“It couldn’t be further from the truth,” Grubman said. “I was personally insulted by that. I don’t like that implication or insinuation. It could not be further from the truth.”
Grubman made those remarks standing in the same hotel ballroom where minutes earlier Goodell had answered questions for about 45 minutes. But only two of those questions dealt with St. Louis, a city once again on the outside looking in when it comes to the NFL. Perhaps Grubman could fill in some blanks.
Looking back on the failed task force effort to keep the Rams from leaving, Grubman was asked what went wrong in St. Louis.
“I think that St. Louis could have done a few things differently, which may not have been in their control,” Grubman said. “But I think when the county dropped out, the project that they envisioned at the beginning of the task force process really changed. And the county dropped out because as I understand — a public vote.”
Referring to the NFL, Grubman added: “We weren’t afraid of a public vote. And in some respects we think that could’ve validated what the people really thought, could’ve brought the county back in. So the project changed and they spent months trying to bring it back to that original vision, and they couldn’t.”
Last March, St. Louis County Executive Steve Stenger told Gov. Jay Nixon that the county couldn’t provide support for a stadium without a vote. Nixon then let it be known that the project was moving forward without the county.
“The measurement standard in my mind was never any one owner, was never the commissioner, was never Eric Grubman, it was other owners,” Grubman continued.
“And the standard in the early going was less about how are the owners gonna vote. It was whether in their minds, could they see themselves playing in that stadium. And if they could, (St. Louis) had a really great chance. And if they couldn’t, (St, Louis) had a really bad chance.
“And that to me is what happened.”
Grubman also attempted to clear up the confusion of making $300 million in league funding available to owners Mark Davis in Oakland and Dean Spanos in San Diego. But telling task force co-chair Dave Peacock that giving the so-called extra $100 million in stadium funding for the St. Louis project — or $300 million total — was “fundamentally inconsistent” with league policy.
The $300 million, Grubman said, was available only “if offered to the owner to put together a proposal that the owner was in favor of. Not to a city to put in front of the owner. That’s one big difference.”
Kroenke, of course, was never in favor of the St. Louis stadium plan.
“The second is, and I think this is crucial, all of the funding (in St. Louis) ended up being contingent on that use of the extra $100 million. You look at the city (financing) language, it’s predicated on a series of contingencies that include the state funding and the NFL funding and the level of the PSLs.”
Grubman said this was discussed in a call with Peacock and two owners on the LA Opportunities committee — Robert McNair of the Houston Texans and Art Rooney of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
But in the end, the move of the Rams back to Los Angeles may have been a “perfect storm” of events that all worked against St. Louis. The league had a chance to build a showcase stadium in Los Angeles, with the stadium bankrolled by one of the league’s wealthiest owners in Kroenke.
“I’m not sure that anybody, including St. Louis, knew the kind of project that Stan Kroenke was gonna assemble in Los Angeles, and how big and ambitious it was,” Grubman said. “Because that clearly had a big impression on owners. But no one knew that when we began the process.
“To me, these things are always about control — what you can control. St. Louis couldn’t control what Stan Kroenke was gonna do or propose in some other city. They could only control what was being proposed for Stan to consider for the Rams and for the NFL to consider in terms of keeping them there (in St. Louis).
“So I go back to what I said. If they could have stuck with the original vision, taken the risk (of a vote), and kept the county in there, they would have had a more powerful project with fewer contingencies and fewer risks.
“How might it have come out if they did that? I don’t know. That’s a hypothetical.”
Echoing comments made by Goodell during his news conference, Grubman wouldn’t close the door on the NFL returning to St. Louis in the future.
“I think it’s all about what St. Louis wants,” Grubman said. “If St. Louis wants to be an NFL city, they’ve got a hell of a chance of being one. If they don’t, or they’re ambivalent about it, then it’s a lot tougher.
February 15, 2016 at 6:32 pm #39045zn
ModeratorBenFred: Who is Grubman fooling?
By Ben Frederickson
The worst thing about guys like Eric Grubman is that they feel the need to fight what, to the rest of the world, is obvious.
The NFL’s executive vice president should just shrug and admit it — yeah, the relocation game that ended with the St. Louis Rams moving to Inglewood, Calif., was rigged from the start, and I did my part, OK?
That’s how Jerry Jones rolls. St. Louis football fans probably despise the Dallas owner, but at least the billionaire doesn’t pretend to be something he’s not. He wears his power and his greed on his sleeve like a pair of platinum cufflinks. His desire to influence the Rams’ return trip to Los Angeles was as clear as the picture on the world’s largest high-definition TV at AT&T stadium.
Then there are guys like Grubman. He recently took umbrage at speculation he is in line for a job with the Los Angeles Rams, as if he didn’t use his position as the league’s point man on relocation — a position some foolishly hoped would require a shred of neutrality — to help steer Stan Kroenke and his team to the league’s desired location.
“I was personally insulted by that,” Grubman told Post-Dispatch NFL writer Jim Thomas at the Super Bowl. “I don’t like that implication or insinuation. It could not be further from the truth.”
So, Grubman says he he won’t wind up working for the Rams. Got it. But insulted? Give me a break. How dare anyone assume Grubman ends up on Kroenke’s payroll after he, you know, acted like it? He should get a check after all the hard work he put in.
Thanks to Post-Dispatch reporting, ESPN’s recent piece on the relocation process and a phone call Grubman made to The Bernie Miklasz Show, we can disregard Grubman’s hollow outrage and simply examine his actions.
• Grubman bid for the Inglewood land before Kroenke won it. So, the Chargers hopes to move to Carson, Calif., started in a pretty big hole.
• Chargers owner Dean Spanos and his Carson crew believe Grubman relayed to the Rams some Carson-specific information that helped the Rams beat the Chargers to the punch in terms of announcing their respective stadium plans.
• During the Los Angeles committee’s August meeting in Chicago, Grubman took a coffee break while the Carson team presented. When the Rams made their Inglewood pitch, he moved to the front of the room and even cleared up an owner’s question.
• In early December, one day before the St. Louis Board of Aldermen’s Ways and Means Committee voted on public financing for the St. Louis stadium task force’s proposed riverfront stadium, Grubman called into “The Bernie Miklasz Show” on 101 ESPN radio and said, among other things: “St. Louis will surely fall short of having a compelling proposal that would attract the Rams.”
Remember, this wasn’t Jones flexing his mouth and financial muscle for Inglewood, or Carolina owner Jerry Richardson flying from city to city to strong-arm support for Carson.
In the nasty battle for Los Angeles, some thought Grubman would be Switzerland. Those people now think he’s Napoleon.
The former Goldman Sachs banker isn’t alone, though. The NFL is littered with Grubman types. See Rams executive vice president Kevin Demoff. See NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.
Goodell spent part of his recent “state of the league address” linking the risk of concussions to the risk of … falling off the couch. It was as laughable as Grubman taking offense to the notion he will wind up on Kroenke’s payroll.
That’s the problem with selling out for The Shield. You can lie through your teeth, and the money will keep rolling in. But sooner or later, you wind up looking like a shill.
February 16, 2016 at 9:59 am #39075zn
ModeratorForbes: The Rams’ Big Move Comes With Big Risks
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brianmenickella/2016/02/15/the-nfls-disney-world-a-big-move-with-big-risks/#7425a27d1012Our beloved football season is now over, but there is still much to discuss. Was this Peyton Manning’s last season on an NFL roster? How will the Carolina Panthers rebound from a disappointing loss viewed by over 110 million people? Was that the best halftime show ever? The questions stemming from the results of the 50th Super Bowl in Santa Clara can dominate any headline, yet much of the talk has been about a different California city and its reemergence in the NFL.
56,000 deposits collected for season tickets in 2016. Magic Johnson has not been able to contain his excitement. A town known for its bright lights and stars just added another shiny notch in the diamond-studded belt—and it’s a big one.
The Rams are officially returning to Los Angeles. After a tumultuous several years of back and forth negotiations, protests and bargaining, the United States’ second largest media market once again has a football team to add to its impressive list of attractions. The city of St. Louis has found itself on the losing end of this equation, and with the mass exodus comes questions regarding the influence of a sports team on a community’s economy. How will they recover?
Welcome Back
The Rams’ proposal was approved after several years of ongoing debates regarding funding and location issues for any team considering a move to Los Angeles—the city made it clear that there would be no taxpayer funds allocated to help build a stadium for any franchise looking to move. In the past, the city allowed taxpayers to foot the bill, therefore, NFL owners petitioning for a new stadium deal have used a move to Los Angeles as a leveraging tactic of sorts, dangling the possibility of a Browns-like fiasco over the heads of their fans.
That leverage is now gone, as the community welcomes its former football team back into the fold after the Rams’ original departure in 1995. With a plan to have a stadium built in nearby Inglewood by 2019, the venue which is estimated to total $3 billion once completed, will provide several entertainment opportunities besides watching football on Sundays, including “an adjacent 6,000-seat performing arts venue, a ‘Champions Plaza’, a lake with waterfalls, retail and office space, a hotel, housing, and 41,000 parking spaces within 1.5 miles of the complex.”
All of these amenities are flashy and sell headlines, but can this bold move by owner Stan Kroenke prove to be a success once the dust settles? With so many factors playing into a franchise’s rise and fall, it’s somewhat difficult to nail down the Rams long-term earning potential in Los Angeles and how it would compare with its St. Louis counterpart.
It’s a Business After All
The current belief and widespread thinking is that with Los Angeles’ significantly larger market size, there will be an inevitable rise in merchandising sales, fan endorsement and tax revenue that both the city and the franchise can mutually benefit from. Along with an estimated 40,000 jobs being created due to the construction process and ongoing operations, anyone with some common sense would deduce that a city garners more revenue as a result of a professional sports team joining its economy.
As it turns out with so many assumptions made in today’s age, the end result is not as clear cut as it sounds.
According to Vanderbilt sports economist Josh Vrooman, a stadium’s impact on a city’s economy is often unfounded and overblown. “The net local impact of a professional sports team is zero, if not negative sum, particularly for an NFL team playing in a monolithic space-eating stadium,” Vrooman said in an email conversation with the Los Angeles Daily News. “The stadiums are rarely used, and the economic architecture is designed so as to hermetically capture almost all of the gains within the venue.”
Impact studies for venues like the Inglewood project tend to leave out factors that can negatively influence an area’s profitability. Increases in traffic congestion, the diversion of economic activity which may weaken the surrounding area’s small businesses, and low-paying seasonal wages for stadium employees are just some of the concerns moving forward.
In order for the stadium project (and essentially the Rams as a whole) to be successful in Los Angeles, economists cite the ability to use the venue for purposes other than football as a way to maximize its earning potential. Kroenke plans on doing just that, creating a layout for the complex that one anonymous owner in Los Angeles likens to a “NFL Disney World.”
Utilizing a stadium for only ten Sundays a year doesn’t make sense, and it’s crucial for the Rams organization to establish its venue as an “entertainment experience” in order to draw in non-football fans looking for the glitz and glamour of Los Angeles’ nightly antics.
What Happens Next
Seemingly forgotten in the hype and headlines of the big move, St. Louis finds itself picking up the pieces after what now looks like a temporary rental of a pro football franchise. Regardless of the team’s recent struggles, the Rams had an established fan base due to a championship pedigree found early on in St. Louis—a time famously known as the “Greatest Show on Turf.”
Now that the city’s team of 21-years has skipped town, what’s the next chapter for St. Louis, and will the Rams’ absence severely affect the city’s progress moving forward?
It’s not as grim as one might think when all is considered. By losing out on keeping its franchise, the city of St. Louis and Missouri as a whole managed to save an estimated $550 million in public funding—money that would have been used to build a new stadium demanded by Kroenke.
On top of the immense amount of taxpayer dollars being saved for public service improvements (schools, parks, infrastructure, etc.), the tax subsidies that had to be promised in order to build a new stadium is a crummy deal nixed before it could do any real harm.
Although St. Louis was receiving $4.2 million year from collecting taxes on tickets, concessions and other transactions, part of the deal to keep the team in Missouri included having the city pledge all “game day” revenue towards financing a new stadium. Now city goers can spend more on bars, restaurants and other local businesses that don’t require tax subsidies.
In the end, St. Louis taxpayers and citizens came up with a surprising win. The Rams unintentionally saved the city and state from spending hundreds of millions of dollars that could be better used elsewhere. And while the big move will leave some football diehards reeling, hope for sports-crazed St. Louisans is still on the horizon—opening day is only a month and a half away.
Brian Menickella is a co-founder and managing partner of The Beacon Group of Companies, a broad-based financial services firm.
February 21, 2016 at 10:34 pm #39422zn
ModeratorEscape From the Echo Chamber
10 takeaways from St. Louis’ stadium debacleRay Hartmann
http://www.stlmag.com/news/think-again/escape-from-the-echo-chamber/
There’s a lesson to be learned from having the Rams and NFL bolt from St. Louis, and it has nothing to do with football or sports fans or mean billionaires or the worth of our city.
It’s about the perils of an echo chamber.
For several years—and especially the past one—local politicians, business leaders, and the media talked themselves into fantasyland over the prospect of preventing Rams owner Stan Kroenke from moving his team back to Los Angeles. False hopes and assumptions reverberated. Foolish nonsense became conventional wisdom.
If you drank the Kool-Aid, you were righteous and honorable and loyal to your hometown. Unlimited public money was no object. And you hung on every encouraging word as if it had appeared on a stone tablet. Conversely, if you noticed objective realities or questioned priorities of the echo chamber, you were anti-St. Louis, anti-progress, or worse.
So St. Louis wasted more than $16 million and a staggering amount of civic time and energy chasing a hopeless dream with a stadium plan that ultimately seemed held together by chewing gum and baling wire. And in retrospect, we wound up groveling at the feet of a contemptible cartel of billionaire sports monopolists.
We never had a chance to keep the Rams here, at least not after Kroenke bought full control of the team in 2010 and decided to follow an easy path to free agency for his franchise. Once he made that decision, there was no question as to whether he was going. It was only a matter of where and when.
If you think that’s wrong, work backward from the result. If Kroenke—whose lust for money is doubted by no one—was ultimately willing to take a $2 billion gamble on Los Angeles, what possible deal or proposal could have ever been counteroffered by any market less than one-fourth L.A.’s size to dissuade him?
There’s no need for hindsight or second-guessing. St. Louis’ goose was cooked from the beginning. Ironically, that should provide local comfort, because the loss of the Rams was not a reflection on St. Louis at all. We didn’t fail. We were simply struck by a perfect storm. In fact, let’s make that Item No. 1 in a list of “10 Takeaways That St. Louis Finally Needs to Understand”:
1. St. Louis was struck by a perfect storm. The Rams fell into the hands of one of the wealthiest men on the planet. He had no ties or loyalty to St. Louis, arguably the NFL’s least-favorite city. He saw an opportunity to make billions as a developer by moving to L.A. He owned that city’s favorite NFL team, one that had played there for 49 years. He had no contract binding him to St. Louis. He had NFL executives in his hip pocket. He wasn’t sentimental. And he was driven. This was out of St. Louis’ hands from the beginning, a point made in this very space four years ago this month.
2. The sad ending of St. Louis’ Rams saga can be traced to its desperate beginning. In 1995, St. Louis had a state-of-the-art NFL stadium under construction with no NFL team to put in it. The L.A. Rams were the only team that could be considered a good prospect for a move here at that time, and they had a number of other options, including L.A. We went to them; they didn’t come to us. We had zero leverage and paid a dear price in lease negotiations. Try as the city might, St. Louis couldn’t get the Rams to make a 30-year commitment to stay here. Effectively, the two sides signed a 20-year lease 20 years ago.
3. It was game over when St. Louis had no choice but to default on this lease in 2013. Herein lies the most misunderstood aspect of the saga. St. Louis would’ve had to unearth $700 million to assure just 10 more years of NFL football as a result of the dreaded clause requiring it to keep the stadium up to “first tier” NFL standards. But this wasn’t some fine print sneaked into the lease, nor was it the result of stupidity on the part of our negotiators. This was simply the agreed-upon mechanism for giving the Rams an escape clause if they needed it (which, in fairness, no one foresaw in 1995). When three arbitration judges gave the Rams an easy victory in a court battle over what “first tier” meant (the team’s first shutout in years), Kroenke’s free agency became a formality.
4. St. Louis should never have underestimated that the arbitration award was a thing of beauty to Kroenke and his fellow NFL cartel members. The most preposterous idea resonating in the echo chamber was that somehow Kroenke could be persuaded to give up this ticket to freedom, toss in $250 million for a new St. Louis stadium that he hadn’t asked for (as opposed to the zero he owed for a first-tier stadium under the award), and forfeit his free agency by signing a 30-year deal to play in it (presuming he was blocked in moving to L.A). Under the lease, he had nine one-year options to continue playing in the dome—for the cheapest rent in the NFL—all the while maintaining his freedom to move to a more lucrative venue. So even if Kroenke had been forced to stay awhile in St. Louis, there was no chance that his Rams would ever play a single down in a new stadium here.
5. St. Louis also had to know that the NFL was never going to allow its “relocation guidelines” to create the Church of the Second Chance. Again, the echo chamber filled with crazy noise, suggesting that the NFL would tell Kroenke that even if St. Louis had defaulted on giving him a “first tier” stadium—at zero cost to him and the league—its “guidelines” meant he’d have to give us another chance. Instead of spending zero, the Rams and NFL would spend $550 million. And St. Louis would have its obligation cut in half. Seriously? Bottom line: There was no way the league would set the precedent of allowing a city to use its relocation guidelines to back out of an unfavorable lease.
6. The NFL owners aren’t your student council. Collectively, these people have a long history of not caring about brain damage to their players. Did you really think they cared if one of their cartel members broke our hearts, especially because we’re from St. Louis, a city that they’d voted against as an NFL market on four occasions in a seven-year period (and since we’d broken hearts in L.A. 20 years earlier)? So when our mayor says that we were “duped” into thinking that the league cared about being fair to St. Louis, well, now that is sad.
7. As much as we want to turn the page, it’s still worth asking: What did St. Louis politicians and other stadium backers know, and when did they know it? They had to realize early on that their stadium plan was a nonstarter for Kroenke and his Rams, even as they continued to raise fans’ hopes to the contrary. In retrospect, they seem to have had no basis to support their private assertions that we might get a team on the rebound if Kroenke left. Yet they went forward, spending $16 million in public funds—with little or no bidding or scrutiny—through the murky St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority. We’ll likely never know the full story of who got paid.
8. We in St. Louis might want a new definition of what’s meant by “we in St. Louis.” If there was one common theme insisted upon by Gov. Jay Nixon, Mayor Francis Slay, and the “task force” of Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz, it was this: Public processes and votes needed to be avoided at all cost. This was the opposite of an exercise in democracy. It’s a little hard to square that with rhetoric about how “St. Louis” had come together as one to offer hundreds of millions in public largesse to the almighty lords of the NFL.
9. The St. Louis media performed about as well here as the Rams did on the field. It’s one thing to get behind the stadium editorially. But Peacock and Blitz—two guys reverently labeled from the beginning as “the task force”—might as well have been covering themselves. Your canary in the coal mine: Near the end, after NFL officials publicly questioned the legitimacy of the stadium numbers, the “$1 billion project” became the “$1.1 billion project” overnight in St. Louis media, without as much as a story noting the increase. No reporter appears to have even asked for an explanation of the $100 million explosion in costs, much less reported it as news. And few of the obvious points referenced above ever found their way into the news coverage of the stadium issue over the period of a year.
10. Let’s not make these mistakes again. We need a little self-esteem here. The most important takeaway is that St. Louis has nothing to hang its head about with regard to the NFL leaving again. It will have no long-term effect on the economy. Many non-NFL cities have fared better than many NFL cities (including St. Louis) in recent decades. This is still a great sports city, and more important, for my money at least, it’s a better place to live and raise a family than Los Angeles. So there. Let’s get over it. And stay out of echo chambers.
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