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  • #100418
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    A quick preliminary look at it after the 3rd round leaves me with the impression they did real well.

    #100428
    Avatar photoZooey
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    They seemed to have picked up players well after their ranking, fwiw.

    No DL reinforcement inside or out, and no LB.

    I doubt they are going to draft any starters for this season at those positions tomorrow, so they have to hope for better things from Fowler, Ebukam, and Kiser next year. DT seems to be a value FA signing sometime in the next couple of weeks, I guess.

    #100431
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    I doubt they are going to draft any starters for this season at those positions tomorrow, so they have to hope for better things from Fowler, Ebukam, and Kiser next year.

    Well the “in-house” candidate list is a little bit longer.

    ILB: Kiser (I take it Littleton is set, and Matthews can play some here too)

    OLB: Fowler, Ebukam, Obo, Fox, Matthews

    DE: Franklin-Myers

    DT: Joseph-Day

    #100442
    PA Ram
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    No idea about these guys.

    I think my favorite two picks are Henderson and Long.

    I hope they all develop into all-pros.

    Rams came in determined to trade down and acquire picks. They did it.

    The draft has become a bloated monster. The NFL really knows how to drag out a show.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #100475
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    Well, I hear we cant judge a draft until about two or three years later.

    So, I’d say, my reaction to the 2017 draft, is, that Cooper Kupp was a damn good pick.
    Gerald Everett? Enh.
    John Johnson? Pretty good.
    Josh Reynolds? Enh.
    Ebukan? Not bad.
    Tanzel Smart? I dunno.
    Ejuan Price? I dunno.
    Sam Rogers? Hall of Fame.

    2017:https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/5/8/14199540/los-angeles-rams-2017-nfl-draft-grades

    #100487
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    We knew there would be value throughout the second and third rounds. I give Snead credit for getting an extra pick out of the trading. Instead of 3 good players, we have 4 good players.

    Agamemnon

    #100510
    Avatar photoZooey
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    This draft suggests that the Rams are pretty confident in Allen at C. It’s possible that they will have an eye out for a C in FA, but “a bird in the hand….” They don’t have depth behind Allen, so they have to add a guy (or has Blythe had time at C?).

    In any event…they let Sullivan go, and the only guy they have is Allen, and they didn’t include a C in their top 4 picks. No way are they looking for a potential starter there on Day 3, so that speaks well of Allen.

    #100512
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    has Blythe had time at C?

    Yes.

    #100515
    Avatar photoZooey
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    has Blythe had time at C?

    Yes.

    Okay. I thought maybe he had.

    So maybe if Allen goes out, Blythe slides over and Demby fills in. And then they got Evans and probably another few guys from the late rounds or UDFA for depth and PS spots.

    #100537
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I am looking for them to draft a TE and ?LB

    Agamemnon

    #100544
    JackPMiller
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    Could our next pick be Jalen Jelks of Oregon if he drops to us?

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    #100564
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    Agamemnon

    #100577
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    We had a good draft. We got some seriously good players.

    Agamemnon

    #100593
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    We had a good draft. We got some seriously good players.

    Yeah like you I am posting a lot on it–evals, reactions, vids, and so on–so there’s all this info, as usual.

    Having had gone through a good sized chunk of that stuff, I have to say, the vibe from this draft is as good as any I can remember. Outsiders are impressed, the Rams themselves just have this confident feeling. Picks look good.

    3rd year, you can hit your stride. Maybe they did. Feels like it.

    #100619
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i really didn’t know how to react at first. but i like what i’m reading about these players.

    I think my favorite two picks are Henderson and Long.

    yeah. i think that’s where i’m at right now.

    ideally i woulda wanted to add a tight end to this offense, but i really like this kid henderson. and i doubt they coulda found a tight end who could have made the same impact as this kid with the same pick. he diversifies the running game. takes a load off gurley’s knee. gives goff another option. makes the offense more unpredictable. i just love the mcvay offense. and i suspect i’ll love it even more next year.

    david long just looks better and better the more i read. adding him and weddle in free agency. i wish they could solidified the front seven, but they did the next best thing. that secondary looks better than it did last year. way better. i think he’s a potential future starter. but again. never seen these guys play so…

    day 3. i really like the scott pick. i think he’s a special teams star. fassel likes him, and that’s good enough for me.

    and while i really don’t have an opinion on the olinemen, i know it’s important for depth and development. let’s see what kind of magic kromer can conjure up.

    #100621
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    In general, with all kinds of contingencies afoot and in play, your first three rounds should yield starters now or in the future. If you get that from your 4th rounder too, that’s a good draft. Beyond the fourth round? Tremendous draft.

    Of course, the better a team is, the more difficult this becomes. The best teams in any given year may not get any starters from their drafts, period, and they may still draft really, really well.

    The Rams are, as we all know, a really good team. But they do have holes. The draft still should bring them starters, upgrades, etc. etc.

    I think they got a likely future starter in Rapp, Gaines (he might start sooner than later), Long (nickel) and Henderson (if Gurley falters). Evans and Edwards appear to offer solid O-line depth, which every team needs.

    I’m betting Scott gives them an immediate “starter” on special teams, and will contribute heavily as a rookie. Finding someone like that in the 7th round is a coup. Dakota Allen, despite his awesome name, strikes me as a likely cut. We’ll see.

    All in all, a pretty good draft, though I would have preferred a different safety instead of Rapp. If his forty was impacted by his hip injury, I feel better about the pick. But even then, I think the Rams had better options. He still should start for them when Weddle leaves, which is a good thing.

    Overall, a solid B.

    #100623
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    Well, I hear we cant judge a draft until about two or three years later.

    So, I’d say, my reaction to the 2017 draft, is, that Cooper Kupp was a damn good pick.
    Gerald Everett? Enh.
    John Johnson? Pretty good.
    Josh Reynolds? Enh.
    Ebukan? Not bad.
    Tanzel Smart? I dunno.
    Ejuan Price? I dunno.
    Sam Rogers? Hall of Fame.

    2017:https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2017/5/8/14199540/los-angeles-rams-2017-nfl-draft-grades

    I think you’re being too hard on Everett and Reynolds. They’ve made positive contributions although we might have expected more. I think the verdict is still out but looks promising.

    They’re more of a contemplative “Hmmm” then “Enh”, IMO.

    And outside of the Chiefs game Ebukan has been a solid “wha”?

    #100625
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Rapp is a pure baller if I may use the parlance of the day.

    I like any Olineman from Wisconsin.

    The kid from Penn State is a ST Ace and has huge upside.

    Don’t like what I read somewhere about Henderson having poor vision and being easily knocked off his feet. Reminds me of another back with gaudy collegiate numbers…Lawrence Phillips.

    #100626
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Rapp is a pure baller if I may use the parlance of the day.

    I like any Olineman from Wisconsin.

    The kid from Penn State is a ST Ace and has huge upside.

    Don’t like what I read somewhere about Henderson having poor vision and being easily knocked off his feet. Reminds me of another back with gaudy collegiate numbers…Lawrence Phillips.

    Do you have any special insights about Scott? From the reports, he’s very athletic, and he tested that way as well. Fast, quick, agile. Apparently, not that good yet at reading plays as a safety, but he won’t have to worry about that as a special teams whiz.

    Do you think he can end up being more than a special teams warrior? Again, it’s an excellent pick even if that’s all he ever does. But if he contributes as a DB too? It’s a steal.

    #100628
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Rapp is a pure baller if I may use the parlance of the day.

    I like any Olineman from Wisconsin.

    The kid from Penn State is a ST Ace and has huge upside.

    Don’t like what I read somewhere about Henderson having poor vision and being easily knocked off his feet. Reminds me of another back with gaudy collegiate numbers…Lawrence Phillips.

    Do you have any special insights about Scott? From the reports, he’s very athletic, and he tested that way as well. Fast, quick, agile. Apparently, not that good yet at reading plays as a safety, but he won’t have to worry about that as a special teams whiz.

    Do you think he can end up being more than a special teams warrior? Again, it’s an excellent pick even if that’s all he ever does. But if he contributes as a DB too? It’s a steal.

    I don’t have any special insights. From what I’ve seen and read he has everything you want in a player from an ability standpoint. I think he has a chance to become a very good safety. He has a higher ceiling than Rapp. He just lacks experience.

    However, as you know having potential and achieving it are two different things. What he’s able to become depends on how far behind the learning curve he is, how fast he can pick things up, how much he wants it, injuries, luck, etc.

    #100630
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Rapp is a pure baller if I may use the parlance of the day.

    I like any Olineman from Wisconsin.

    The kid from Penn State is a ST Ace and has huge upside.

    Don’t like what I read somewhere about Henderson having poor vision and being easily knocked off his feet. Reminds me of another back with gaudy collegiate numbers…Lawrence Phillips.

    I keep thinking of Trung Canidate. The kind of guy who will have a field day once, and never be heard from again. I don’t like the poor vision thing. At all. I’m not sure how much of that can be learned. Kind of a built-in ability, imo.

    #100631
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    Don’t like what I read somewhere about Henderson having poor vision and being easily knocked off his feet.

    i read that too. but in the highlight video he didn’t seem to get knocked down too much.

    of course it’s a highlight video so….

    #100632
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    I saw here that a couple of people are concerned about Henderson’s vision. What I read in the Henderson thread was just one comment to that effect–it says he “doesn’t have great vision,” which is a little vague but isn’t the same as saying it’s bad. Could be that that comment is trying to say it’s average, and even then that’s one comment.

    That comment is contradicted by others (it’s all in the Henderson thread):

    Henderson possesses excellent vision, subtle shifts and has an effective stiff-arm to weave his way through defenses.

    Demonstrates good vision and burst, along with strong upper body, which makes for a powerful stiff-arm.

    I just added this one to the thread:

    Henderson’s vision is incredible. He has the innate ability to read the second level before he even gets across the first.

    The next comment doesn’t mention vision per se but is in the general area of addressing the issue, and IMO gets us closer to an idea of what DH’s combined traits add up to:

    There is a natural feel and knack for finding space that will translate at the next level, albeit he won’t be and every down player. Decisive and quick-footed that can adjust at the final moment to miss the meat of a hit from a defender. Contact balance is a plus with the kind of hunger that can be a weapon in and of itself.

    Here’s a similar comment:

    Henderson possesses elite balance and is able to “pinball ” his way through contact and stay on his feet on his way to big gains

    I went and found a gif that might address that.

    And so everyone mentions contact balance. That is, DH is tough. From what I have seen he slides off of contact constantly. PFF addresses that. The result is high yards after contact.

    Henderson’s 2018 season (on 214 attempts) ranks first in yards after contact per attempt (6.16). His 2017 season (on 128 attempts) ranks second (5.60).

    Short version–

    only one comment criticizes his vision, others praise it, and he has a very interesting combination of skills that make him a significant threat.

    ….

    #100633
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I saw something else somewhere.

    Paraphrasing: He can hit holes when they are there, but lacks the ability to anticipate where they are going to develop.

    #100636
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    I’m not crazy about the Henderson pick, but what do i know. He’s sposed-to-be a game-breaking, defense-threatening ‘change-of-pace’ back, but he runs a 4.49 forty.
    Combine:https://www.nfl.com/prospects/darrell-henderson?id=32194845-4e05-4456-6f99-3e76d883b110

    I could be wrong, but doesnt about every Linebacker in the NFL run that fast? Is that really fast for the NFL ?

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    #100637
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    I saw something else somewhere.

    Paraphrasing: He can hit holes when they are there, but lacks the ability to anticipate where they are going to develop.

    So what we’re getting is the typical mess of comments. I have to say that the negative ones are in the minority.

    The guy was very productive. To me that’s not someone who can’t anticipate developing blocking.

    To pick on something that was said, from what I can tell at this early stage, this guy is not Trung, and to be honest I protested the Trung pick the minute it was made. (Not that I was a draftnik then or now but Trung was nobody’s idea of special before that draft.) Trung was a straight line runner without any creativity. Henderson led all of college football in yards after contact. People talk about–and in the vids you can see—his toughness, decisiveness, contact balance, physicality, burst, acceleration, and vision. The physicality is part of it–he may be 5’8 but he’s also 208 pounds.

    See to me, Martz/Armey WOULD draft a Trung in round 1. I don’t think Snead/McVay/Kromer would draft one even in round 3.

    Anyway, it’s early and we’re just comparing impressions. …

    #100638
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    I’m not crazy about the Henderson pick, but what do i know. He’s sposed-to-be a game-breaking, defense-threatening ‘change-of-pace’ back, but he runs a 4.49 forty.
    Combine:https://www.nfl.com/prospects/darrell-henderson?id=32194845-4e05-4456-6f99-3e76d883b110

    I could be wrong, but doesnt about every Linebacker in the NFL run that fast? Is that really fast for the NFL ?

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    The players faster than 4.4 in any given draft are few and far between.

    Heck that’s not even Gurley’s 40 time. He is in the same range as Henderson.

    The issue is not outrunning LBs, it’s getting past them. Right? Because LBs are one level in the defense and if you have the skills to break that level, you’re productive. And as a matter of fact, to repeat something that has come up already, Henderson led all of college football in yards after contact. He didn’t do that by just running a straight line. He’s a slasher in traffic with great balance and physicality and gets to the open field.

    It’s all opinions at this point but I see a great pick.

    #100639
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    yeah. trung was a straight line hit the hole and just run.

    this guy is shifty. he’s got decent speed, but it’s his shiftiness that stands out.

    plus i read somewhere that he’s the ideal back for a wide zone running attack.

    #100644
    Avatar photoZooey
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    Well…ya know…yeah. I don’t know. I just read that somewhere, and I don’t remember the source. And it JUMPED out at me. No anticipation is BAD. So that comment just stuck forcefully with me.

    And…for sure…Snead/McVay have proven to be very good at what they are doing, unlike Armey/Martz. So…that…combined with a lot of positive comments PRAISING his vision makes a more plausible picture of a successful RB. But I won’t be able to entirely shake that comment from my mind until I see Henderson do it. Because it’s the kind of comment that makes me think of Trung Canidate, and I do not like thinking about Trung Canidate.

    #100646
    Avatar photoBilly_T
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    Just a rough guess. Most NFL linebackers are in the 4.7 range. A bunch run faster, in the 4.6 range. A smaller bunch in the 4.5s. Very rare to find them faster than 4.5.

    Both Devins this year are in the 4.4 range. Doesn’t happen often. Pittsburgh drafted one of them to replace Shazier, who may have been the fastest linebacker in the NFL before his devastating injury.

    In the 4.3s.

    Another thing I’ve noticed about draft reports: They can be all over the map. I’ve forgotten their names, but I looked at some of the UDFAs online, and a few of them had comments ranging from “below average athleticism” to “freakishly athletic.”

    As in, the same guy was described in wildly different ways.

    I think that wide range is more frequent for the lesser known players. Another guess. The guys with the relatively consistent grades — Top 100, give or take — seem to provoke a more narrow subjective response.

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