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  • #95037
    zn
    Moderator

    Oh well

    #95039
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    Oline was dreadful. Goff was dreadful. Playcalling was dreadful. Legatron clanked a short field goal. We need to learn how to play against great defensive fronts like a Chicago or Dallas, because we may see them in the playoffs. Especially when they are attacking. We play a pretty good front 7 next week in Philadelphia. Hopefully we will be ready.

    #95041
    joemad
    Participant

    Goff looked like Steve Dils today… wish they ran more in…

    Tough loss. Saints #1 spot.

    Saints sch = Panthers, Steelers (in NO) Panthers

    Rams sch = Eagles, (Cards in AZ), and SF.

    #95044
    JackPMiller
    Participant

    Goff looked like Steve Dils today… wish they ran more in…

    Tough loss. Saints #1 spot.

    Saints sch = Panthers, Steelers (in NO) Panthers

    Rams sch = Eagles, (Cards in AZ), and SF.

    We have to look at the number 2 seed. The Panthers have been on a 5 game losing streak, which the lost to the Cleveland Browns today, and the Steelers lost 3 in a row, losing to the Oakland Raiders today.

    Also, the Bears seem to have our number, we lost 6 of our last 7 games to them, by the way.

    #95046
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    The Rams don’t like cold and I am glad we don’t have chicago’s QB.

    Agamemnon

    #95050
    Eternal Ramnation
    Participant

    The secondary played well but the rest was disgusting and the Bears are not that good. Way better at home but Goff wasn’t even the worst qb on the field and we still lost.I mean Trubisky is freaking horrible! My theory is the cold was in the Rams collective head. You could see McVay sweating on the sideline while his team looked like they were all freezing to death at 26 degrees.Everyone played like they were holding back. Man that was ugly easily the worst game of the McVay era. I saw exactly zero mental toughness from the offense . They looked like they wanted to be somewhere else , like the weren’t even present at the game

    #95052
    canadaram
    Participant

    Road game in the cold against a tough defense the week after clinching the division. Oh well. I did not expect a game plan that had Gurley running the ball only 11 times.

    #95057
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    goff looked bad. but lots of good qbs have had days like this.

    just can’t figure out why mcvay chose to run the ball more unless he really did want to get goff reps in cold weather.

    defense played about as well as they could given what they are. hopefully, they don’t have to play another cold weather game again this year or in the playoffs.

    #95058
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    goff looked bad. but lots of good qbs have had days like this.

    just can’t figure out why mcvay chose to run the ball more unless he really did want to get goff reps in cold weather.

    defense played about as well as they could given what they are. hopefully, they don’t have to play another cold weather game again this year or in the playoffs.

    I haven’t watched the game yet. I couldn’t watch it last night so I recorded it. Not sure if I’m going to bother to watch it now.

    Barring an epic disaster, the Rams won’t have to play in a cold weather city in the playoffs. Most likely they’ll be home for the divisional game, and then travel tonNew Orleans for the conference championship.

    #95060
    nittany ram
    Moderator

    Dd

    #95061
    Agamemnon
    Moderator

    If the Rams have to play in cold weather, we are doomed. Doomed, I say.

    Agamemnon

    #95062
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I really have to scratch my head over the gameplan. Clearly they could not throw the ball yesterday. And when they tried they were often deep drops by the QB and slower developing routes. The oline got beat. Period. Even when he seemed to have time, Goff’s throws were not great. Last week I saw a stat where he has 18 tds and 2 ints at home. He was 9-5 on the road. That got worse. He has not been good on the road this year. So fine. He was having a bad night. But even so–Gurley got way too few touches.

    The Josh Reynolds show was not spectacular. Honestly, Reynolds seems to be a very meek receiver. The hail Mary wasn’t all that terrible but Reynolds never made an effort. On the pick on the sideline where Goff stared at Reynolds the whole way–Reynolds should have at least tried to play defense. He didn’t. On the catch Reynolds made where he could have taken two or three steps and gotten a first down, he chose to avoid contact and simply stopped and tried to run around the defender. He got stopped.

    This team misses Cooper Kupp and Goff REALLY misses him.

    Reynolds has to play better.

    I didn’t understand why McVay did not adjust to what was happening on the field. Maybe shorter passes? EWven when Goff went through his progressions and went to check down, his passes were off. Maybe more quick throws? The only ones they seemed to try were some screens to Woods that went no where. And when Gurley did start clicking McVay went back to the pass. I hope he is not an inflexible coach. I’ve seen this team adjust before but last night they never did. It was a curious sort of gameplan. Mcvay seemed almost stubborn. Maybe he just didn’t have answers, I don’t know. I know that the oline had major problems.

    As for defense? I thought they played well against a horrible QB. They certainly played well enough to win. No–this loss was on the offense.

    This team has not blown everyone out. They have been in some coin flip games but found a way to win. Last night they didn’t.

    Right now–I just want them to get a bye. 2 out of the next 3 clinches that.

    I just hope that Goff is not in some serious funk right now. That would not be good.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #95067
    zn
    Moderator

    jrry32

    We be thankful that this crap happened now instead of in the playoffs. It’s a wake up call. McVay will hopefully learn from this game. The Vikings stomped us last year just like the Bears did this year. What happened the next time McVay played the Vikings? We destroyed their defense. It felt like he had an answer to everything they tried to do. You know he’s going to obsess over this game. If we see the Bears again in LA, I have a feeling it’s going to be a very different experience.

    The one potential positive we have is that the defense seems to be rounding into form with Talib back. The run defense still sucks ass, but our pass defense looks so much better.

    Anyway I’m not overreacting to one game. Even great teams lose football games. We went on the road in poor conditions and faced the current #3 seed in our conference. They won. It happens. This is our first really bad game of the season. It came at a bad time, but the defense at least stepped up.

    a few thoughts:

    1. McVay was definitely outcoached. IMO, we lost the Philly and Atlanta games precisely because McVay abandoned the run at the wrong time. Gurley was feasting on both those defenses. I don’t know if we would have been able to run it on Chicago if we kept trying, but I do know that we weren’t able to throw it effectively when we abandoned the run. There was a point in the second half where we rushed twice for 17 yards, and then McVay threw on like the next 5 or 6 plays. This was a game where it was clear that Goff didn’t have it. This is a game where you need to tell your OL and Gurley, “This is big boy football time. We need you guys to carry this team.” And once they start to wear down the Bears’ front, you start hitting them with some PA and get Goff into a groove. Instead, McVay kept trying to put it on Goff to dig us out of the hole. The Bears weren’t respecting the PA game and were daring us to run.

    2. We did try a couple of screens. Both could have gone for big yardage, but Gurley got held up in traffic and the pressure got on Goff too quickly.

    3. The crowd noise was a huge factor. It forced our offense to play slow.

    4. McVay wasn’t very creative in this game. I don’t know why.

    5. McVay seems to obsess over losses. If we play the Bears again, I think we’ll see a very different result. Remember that Seattle beat us 16-10 and Minnesota beat us 24-7 last year. The next time we played those teams we put up 42 points on Seattle and 38 points on Minnesota. I don’t see McVay being made the fool twice.

    some more (scattered) thoughts:

    * Barron isn’t playing like himself. He’s missing tackles and not playing with the reckless abandon of the past. He just doesn’t fill gaps with authority. And Littleton isn’t doing that either. We need someone who can.

    * Their defense is great. But the penalties and blown assignments are on us. I’ve never seen the offense look this disorganized.

    #95068
    Zooey
    Moderator

    That wasn’t good, and that’s not what you want to see, especially when gearing up for the playoffs. I was not able to give my complete attention to the game, but I saw enough to see what is obvious from the score anyway…the Rams could not get anything going on offense.

    Goff was terrible. Receivers dropped balls. Gurley ran nowhere. I saw a couple penalties on Whitworth. The OL couldn’t keep Goff clean when the Bears rushed 3 guys.

    I don’t know.

    I thought the Rams needed to win 2 of 3 against the Chiefs, Saints, and Bears, and they escaped with just one. That’s a concern. Not a hope-killer, but a concern that the Rams aren’t quite “there.” On the other side, no other team has looked inevitable, though the Saints are still showing stronger than the Rams overall.

    If the Rams struggle with Philadelphia, the confidence level will take another dip.

    Anyway. Bash on, regardless.

    #95074
    Billy_T
    Participant

    McVay is an excellent coach. He’s already proven himself. However . . . I don’t think he likes to move off his gameplan when circumstances are demanding that he does just that. In this game, the Bears were crushing the passing attack, primarily via pressure, but also via really good pass coverage. So, the logical thing to do is go to the run.

    Which also brings up this other piece of stubbornness, IMO: The Rams don’t suit up enough O-line guys. My own preference would be for that to happen and for them to play O-line guys (at times) instead of TEs/WRs, much the same way the Bears did on that scoring play to their O-line guy. D-linemen too. Go all hogmolly as far as the rules allow. Beat the Bears front — or anyone else’s — with muscle, size, weight, etc. Goal line, 3rd down, even 1st down. In my view, the Rams are too stubborn regarding their three-receiver sets. They’re starting to appear to me as too “finesse” at the worst times.

    Two other quick observations: The experiment with DBs as ILBs is a dismal failure. At least with the personnel the Rams currently have. They desperately need actual inside backers with size, weight, muscle and serious run-stuffing abilities. Barron’s gotta go, and Littleton should be on the outside. Yeah, it’s old-school, but it was the deal in the NFL for ages for a reason. Big guys for up the gut; smaller, swifter guys for the outside. The Rams seem to do the reverse. It’s not working.

    Finally, the Rams don’t seem to have quick strike passing plays, and they need them. Not thinking of the Bears in this case, but NFL teams can often defeat pass-rushers with a quick snap, turn and fire kind of passing play. Goff almost never does this. He’s almost always taking deep drops, staying in the pocket too long, and then throwing. Best way to beat a pass-rush like the Bears’ is either via the run or very, very quick passing. McVay and company basically ignore both options . . .

    #95076
    zn
    Moderator

    McVay is an excellent coach. He’s already proven himself. However . . .

    Howdy BT. Always good to see you ’round these parts. Hope you’re hanging in there. I assume you saw the Chiefs game. What did you get out of that one? Just asking just to know your response to that one game.

    #95084
    Billy_T
    Participant

    McVay is an excellent coach. He’s already proven himself. However . . .

    Howdy BT. Always good to see you ’round these parts. Hope you’re hanging in there. I assume you saw the Chiefs game. What did you get out of that one? Just asking just to know your response to that one game.

    Thanks, ZN.

    Yes, I watched the KC game. Loved it. Hated it. Was thrilled, anguished, terrified and ultimately joyous. In a word or two, wondrously conflicted.

    Thought the O was superb, even magical at times, but KC’s O was even better — except for their turnovers. The Rams’ defense was horrifically bad, and incredibly clutch. Without their defensive scores, the Rams lose. But they shouldn’t have given up so many points in the first place, etc. etc.

    It was a very weird game in a way — in the sense that the defense was just ugly bad, but came up with amazing plays that most other defenses just can not make. Elite defense-type plays.

    Goff was very good. The receivers and Gurley were very good. McVay was very good, etc. etc. But, amazingly enough, it wasn’t their best offensive display this year. They actually needed the defense to score to win.

    What’s your take?

    #95085
    Billy_T
    Participant

    OT/

    Recently read Adichie’s Half of a Yellow Sun, and thought it amazing. Profoundly moving and powerful. I remember you had recommended her, so I checked the book out of the local library when I saw it. Definitely makes me want to read her other works.

    She’s a master story-teller, and I learned a ton at the same time.

    #95086
    zn
    Moderator

    What’s your take?

    My take is pretty much the same as yours.

    I thought Mahomes was amazing to watch. He can make more “forget the instruction manual” type throws than anyone else I think I’ve ever seen seen.

    Donald just delivered that game to the Rams. On the strip sack that Ebukam recovered, he hurts himself through the air outstretched, with his feet off the ground and his body doggone near parallel to the field.

    #95088
    Billy_T
    Participant

    What’s your take?

    My take is pretty much the same as yours.

    I thought Mahomes was amazing to watch. He can make more “forget the instruction manual” type throws than anyone else I think I’ve ever seen seen.

    Donald just delivered that game to the Rams. On the strip sack that Ebukam recovered, he hurts himself through the air outstretched, with his feet off the ground and his body doggone near parallel to the field.

    Agreed about Mahomes. He’s scary good.

    Donald isn’t all-world, as some say. He’s not of this world. He’s like some cosmonaut, transcending both the Marvel and DC universes.

    And that bending the laws of physics you mention? Reminds me of Quinn in his best year, the one with the nearly 20 sacks. Oh, what could have been!! Imagine the Rams with Quinn still at DE, minus the injuries, and Donald!! Sheesh. It almost wouldn’t be fair to opposing QBs, etc. Jones and Olsen redux. Build the D around them . . .

    #95094
    zn
    Moderator

    On the strip sack that Ebukam recovered, he hurts himself through the air outstretched, with his feet off the ground and his body doggone near parallel to the field.

    And that bending the laws of physics you mention?

    In case people think I am exaggerating. Pics in this thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/donald-wins-sports-illustrateds-performer-of-the-year-award/#post-95093

    #95095
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    i joke about it a lot but i really do think goff’s relatively small hands hurt him last night. if those fingers are a half inch longer, it makes a big difference i bet.

    #95099
    wv
    Participant

    Well that was not good.

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    #95101
    zn
    Moderator

    baraw

    Rarely do teams win both of back to back road games.

    I believe it is almost never that a team wins back to back road games 2x in the same season (rams played 3 road games in a row earlier this year and won all 3).

    Additionally, west coast teams traveling east tend to perform poorly, or below expectations.

    Now, if you look at back to back, both traveling east, 2nd time with multiple road games in a season, if they would have won against the bears it would have been a crazy statistical anomaly.

    None of that is an excuse, but it is interesting.

    #95102
    wv
    Participant

    I am reminded of the game the GSOT played against the Sapp-Bucs. Great Offense squashed by a great defense.

    This situation is more like a very good offense squashed by a very good defense.

    Might ‘mean’ somethin, might not. Could be Rams Offense is fading some, or it could just be a fired up Bear defense played great in the windy city.

    I’m confident the Rams beat the Bears in LA. I’d predict an ugly win for the Rams, in LA. I’d be more concerned about the Saints or Seahawks, really.

    I think 13 and 3 is what they end up with. Cant complain about that.

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    #95107
    Zooey
    Moderator

    I am reminded of the game the GSOT played against the Sapp-Bucs.
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    That same comparison entered my mind during the game.

    I kept waiting for the Proehl moment.

    But Kupp is out for the year.

    #95119
    InvaderRam
    Moderator

    But Kupp is out for the year.

    i forgot about kupp.

    #95186
    zn
    Moderator

    alyoshamucci

    Game 13 Bears cold weather dud.

    Okay … this is not a huge deal this year. But starting next year we have to find ways of getting into cold weather games. Goff needs to get some gloves that work for him and the O line needs to be able to plant on frozen ground … so at least a couple practices on a frozen surface.

    The Good (no great)

    1) Taking the ball away when the opportunity arose.

    2) Nikell Roby Coleman’s diving breakup in the end zone. I have to say, we don’t have to worry about slot CB any time soon.

    3) Robert Woods and Cooks not dropping the football.

    4) Franklin Myers slowly getting more active getting to the passer.

    5) JJ3 had a good game, but I can’t remember anything spectacular, just solid. (just looked) INT and 5 tackles including a TFL.

    The Bad

    6) We have Donald and can’t find a way to free him up earlier in the game? Playing against a young QB who needs to be pressured and who is coming off an injury?

    7) Inability to stop the run .. 194 rush yards given up.

    8) Lack of preparation for a cold weather game. I know that he’s young, and yes he’s played in cold games … but something happens under 20 degrees and not every player responds the same.

    The Ugly

    9) Goff’s inability to throw a cold football. FOUR INTERCEPTIONS?

    10) Our resistance to running … what on Earth was that about? Run the ball. 11 carries for TG2? Goff is under 50% passing and we’re throwing like we’re down 3 TDs? Ill just say this, as I’m checking the stats … 44 passes by Goff. 13 running plays. 75% passing IN THE COLD?

    11) If they had kept at the run, they would have put us away much earlier. But they assumed a track meet? So they kept passing?

    I’m not doing much more on it, just hoping we learn from the last two. Both ugly.

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