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September 8, 2014 at 6:50 pm #6662
MackeyserModeratorIn light of the elevator video being released by TMZSports
http://on.aol.com/video/ray-rice-punches-fianc-e-in-the-face-in-elevator-knockout-518405027 (AOL doesn’t like video embedding and I didn’t really want to embed it anyway, so if you want to see it, you can. If not, you’re spared)
Ray Rice has been indefinitely suspended by the NFL and released by the Ravens.
Full statements from the NFL and the Ravens will undoubtedly be forthcoming.
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September 8, 2014 at 6:55 pm #6665MackeyserModeratorMy statement on this is pretty simple.
Ray Rice is a real piece of shit. After seeing what he did, the idea that he had the temerity to show his face in public and use passive language to describe that assault is almost as offensive as the assault.
Roger Goodell is also a real piece of shit. What did he think happened on that elevator??? Ray Rice knocked her UNCONSCIOUS with his morning breath??? I’m glad he’s learning about this and making the effort to get educated. That he is as far along as he is and as uneducated and defended his ignorance for as long as he did is just incomprehensible. In banning Ray Rice for a year, I really hope Roger Goodell brings forth some more mea culpas. No, I don’t think he’s nearly given enough. Not nearly…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 8, 2014 at 8:00 pm #6670
wvParticipantWell, its good that Goodell is learning about domestic
violence, but Maybe he should be required to take a class
er somethin.The ubiquity of cameras is changing
a lot of things in this country, btw.w
vSeptember 8, 2014 at 8:23 pm #6676September 8, 2014 at 8:27 pm #6677
AgamemnonParticipantThe corp. takes care of its image. That is most important. It is ok to lie or be wrong, but don’t embarrass me.
AgamemnonSeptember 8, 2014 at 8:34 pm #6680wvParticipantThe corp. takes care of its image. That is most important. It is ok to lie or be wrong, but don’t embarrass me.
The corporate-PR suits will also work the other side
of things — they will consult with Ray Rice and he will
be magically transformed and redeemed ala, Greg Williams, M.Vick, etc,
in a year or two.w
vSeptember 8, 2014 at 11:19 pm #6712
znModeratorJason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
If TMZ can prove NFL in fact had opportunity to view tapes, and declined, then that’s a potential game changer. Credibility in balanceSeptember 8, 2014 at 11:29 pm #6714
InvaderRamModeratorthey had all of the footage. if they didn’t. then they had access to it but chose to ignore it. bullshit if the nfl claims they didn’t have the opportunity to view the tapes.
September 8, 2014 at 11:43 pm #6716
PA RamParticipantI don’t know what’s more disturbing—the punch itself, or the way he just casually drags her body around afterward–like it’s a bag of potatoes or something.
That is a very disturbed dude and the NFL is better off without him—actually society is better off without him.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
September 8, 2014 at 11:56 pm #6717InvaderRamModeratorwell i think he needs help. unfortunately with his status. his actions have never had any consequences. i mean look at what the nfl did or didn’t do. frankly i find that more disturbing.
September 9, 2014 at 12:15 am #6718MackeyserModeratorWord is that Harvey Levin is going to come out that the NFL and specifically Goodell knew about that tape. Someone else posted that here that Harvey Levin talked with some Fox5 guy.
Which is partly why I think Goodell HAD TO suspend Rice for the year once the video went public. Which is despicable. It tells us that the initial intent was to WITH KNOWLEDGE of the full extent of Ray Rice’s actions, try to sweep this under the rug if Ray Rice “kissed the ring”, cleaned up his act and played nice. They’d give him a one time pass. The league would lie and say that they hadn’t seen the tape and would do the damage control dance it knows so well.
Except… people revolted and so uniformly from so many cross-sections of society that Goodell just couldn’t run from it.
And now, with the tape coming out, he’s got to cut Ray Rice loose.
Just one problem.
It’s going to come out that Goodell knew all along.
The NEXT question is does this eventually get Goodell, too?
And Ray McDonald has to know that he’s in for something similar. Someone who cared about these things would be seriously worried about losing a year, but these guys who hit women don’t strike me as guys who worry about…things.
I do think that based on Ray Rice’s new suspension that if the reports are true that Ray McDonald choked his pregnant girlfriend and committed violence that cause defensive bruising on her arms, then yeah, he’s gonna get a year AND his outright release.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 9, 2014 at 12:36 am #6719znModeratorWord is that Harvey Levin is going to come out that the NFL and specifically Goodell knew about that tape.
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TMZ’s Harvey Levin: NFL knew newly-released Ray Rice elevator video existed
It’s the talk of the town on TMZ. Baltimore Ravens running back Ray rice allegedly caught on camera punching his then-fiancee in the head in an elevator knocking her unconscious. TMZ was the first to release the video and TMZ’s Harvey Levin joined us on FOX 5 to talk about it.
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TMZ Producer Says NFL Knew About Shocking Ray Rice Video, Promises Bombshell Report
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Sep. 8, 2014, 8:55 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/harvey-levin-says-nfl-knew-ray-rice-tape-existed-2014-9#ixzz3Cn3PqtSi
In this May 23, 2014, file photo, Janay Rice, left, looks on as her husband, Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice, speaks to the media during a news conference in Owings Mills, Md.
An executive producer for TMZ — which published disturbing video of NFL player Ray Rice knocking his then-fiancee unconscious — said Monday he believes the league knew about the footage before the public saw it.
In an interview with Fox, Harvey Levin said he believes the NFL “turned a blind eye” to the video of Rice beating his now-wife, Janay Rice, in an elevator. Earlier on Monday, the NFL said it did not see the footage of Rice beating Janay before Monday. The NFL says it requested that video from law enforcement but never got it.
For his part, Levin did not say in the Fox news clip that the NFL had actually seen the video. Rather, he said the NFL knew that it was out there — a fact the NFL didn’t seem to contradict in its statement Monday.
“It’s a shameful story that the NFL knew that the surveillance video existed,” Levin said. It was “no secret,” he added, that Rice had to pull his fiancee out of an elevator because he’d knocked her unconscious.
Levin did not provide any evidence that the NFL flagrantly ignored the videotape, but he suggested he would do so on Tuesday in TMZ.
“When you wake up tomorrow and go to the website, our website … you will see what the NFL didn’t do,” he said.
The NFL was widely criticized for initially suspending Rice for just two games after his alleged assault. Following the release of the video Monday, the Baltimore Ravens cut Rice and the NFL suspended him indefinitely.
September 9, 2014 at 12:40 am #6720MackeyserModeratorhttp://deadspin.com/someone-is-lying-about-whether-the-nfl-saw-the-ray-rice-1631901404
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Now that we’ve all seen video of Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice knocking out his then-fiancée Janay Palmer, a set of related and legitimate questions comes up. Who all saw this video before today? When did they see it? Did the NFL use it to determine Rice’s two-game suspension?
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Below, via TMZ, is the punch that got Ravens running back Ray Rice a two-game suspension from the…Read moreHere’s SI’s Peter King, back in July:
There is one other thing I did not write or refer to, and that is the other videotape the NFL and some Ravens officials have seen, from the security camera inside the elevator at the time of the physical altercation between Rice and his fiancée.
And here’s ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, also from July.
We saw the TMZ video of what happened outside—when he was dragging her out unconscious—but inside, I’m told from those who have seen the video, it wasn’t pretty. In fact, she attacks him—we don’t know the reason why—and he strikes her, strikes her hard. And her head—according to the sources I’ve spoken to—struck the rail inside the elevator and she was unconscious.
Which is exactly what today’s video shows.
Here’s ESPN’s Jane McManus, today:
And what evidence did police have? Back in July, Ravens PR told us this in an email:
Only thing we know for sure is that police who arrested Ray and Janay and then let them leave together that night saw the video.
But outwardly, and possibly for reasons having to do with both the legal elements of the case and with public relations, the NFL itself was opaque on whether it had seen the video.
Privately, top reporters were told in no uncertain terms that the video existed, that the NFL had seen it, that it showed Janay Palmer acting violently toward Rice, and that, if released, it would go some way toward mitigating the anger against him. One of the league’s most devoted mouthpieces described the video for us on an off-the-record basis, going off what his sources had told him. The implication was clear:If you saw this video, you’d know why Rice only got two games.
Now that the video’s out, the NFL and the Ravens are reversing course.
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NFL: Ray Rice video was not made available to them,despite requests to law enforcement. Nothing on whether NFL had account of what happenedJeff Zrebiec ✔ @jeffzrebiecsun Follow
Aiello: “We requested from law enforcement and all information about the incident, including the video from inside the elevator. …”Jeff Zrebiec ✔ @jeffzrebiecsun Follow
Con’td: “That video was not made available to us and no one in our office has seen it until today.”Jason La Canfora ✔ @JasonLaCanfora Follow
Ravens officials had not seen this Rice video prior to today but he had described actions in detail. Didn’t “sugarcoat” it source said…Jason La Canfora ✔ @JasonLaCanfora Follow
So while the actual footage today was new to the Ravens visually, the description Rice gave them was in line with what the video displayedThere are three possible explanations here. The first is that every single reporter who said the NFL had seen the video was lying. This seems unlikely, since they were all telling the same lie, both for public consumption and in their off-the-record talks with us.
The second is that the NFL was lying to all of the top football reporters back then about having seen the video, in some attempt to smear Janay Palmer.
The third is that the NFL is lying now about not having seen the video—that league officials saw what everyone has now seen, for whatever reason actually found it exculpatory, and are now making false claims to protect the league’s image. This interpretation is supported by an employee of the Revel, the Atlantic City casino where the fight took place. He tells TMZ that the NFL saw the footage before disciplining Rice.
Whatever the case, it’s almost certain that the NFL lied at some stage here, and that the league played a handful of its most loyal reporters in the process, suborning them into a smear campaign against a victim of domestic violence. Those reporters, who regularly and uncritically pass along the league’s party line but are rarely exposed like this, are the ones who look foolish now. Maybe it’s time for them to cut these particular puppet strings and name the sources who burned them so badly, which would do something to show that they’re reporters, and not stooges. If you’d like to outsource the job to us, feel free to email us.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
September 9, 2014 at 2:04 am #6724InvaderRamModeratorjust horrible. it’s not just goodell. members of the ravens organization saw this as well. maybe even harbaugh who said it was no big deal.
if ray rice is the only one who suffers from this, then it’s a travesty. other people need to be held responsible for the lies that have been told.
September 9, 2014 at 8:09 am #6731
nittany ramModeratorRead somewhere that the CFL has joined the NFL in the banning of Ray Rice.
September 9, 2014 at 8:37 am #6735wvParticipantI don’t know what’s more disturbing—the punch itself, or the way he just casually drags her body around afterward–like it’s a bag of potatoes or something.
That is a very disturbed dude and the NFL is better off without him—actually society is better off without him.
Domestic violence is full of strange, human, currents.
Think about the fact that the lady
is going to marry him…and think about
why that would be…etc.Anyway, Goodell is a corporate-suit. He
was out of his league on this one.w
vSeptember 9, 2014 at 9:05 am #6744znModeratorAnyway, Goodell is a corporate-suit. He was out of his league on this one.
w
vThe problem is national. It’s not just football. He was out of his league.
You know what just gets me shaking my head, beyond the incident itself. There are STILL guys out there on Der Net saying stuff like “well a guy has to defend himself.” I am not kidding and can link you to that kind of thing.
September 9, 2014 at 9:32 am #6749nittany ramModeratorJason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
If TMZ can prove NFL in fact had opportunity to view tapes, and declined, then that’s a potential game changer. Credibility in balanceI think Goodell is toast if TMZ can demonstrate that. He should have been gone a long time ago.
Covering up brain injury info, bounty gate and now this…the NFL is making Haliburton, Big Tobacco and BP look good.
September 9, 2014 at 9:35 am #6750znModeratorCovering up brain injury info, bounty gate and now this…the NFL is making Haliburton, Big Tobacco and BP look good.
The difference being, public disapproval COULD lead to Goddell being replaced and at least a portion of a change in the culture.
Those other corporations? Yeah good luck.
We complain that the NFL is too corporate.
The actual corporations think it’s not corporate ENOUGH.
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September 9, 2014 at 9:48 am #6751nittany ramModerator<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>nittany ram wrote:</div>
Covering up brain injury info, bounty gate and now this…the NFL is making Haliburton, Big Tobacco and BP look good.The difference being, public disapproval COULD lead to Goddell being replaced and at least a portion of a change in the culture.
Those other corporations? Yeah good luck.
We complain that the NFL is too corporate.
The actual corporations think it’s not corporate ENOUGH.
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Yeah, at least public opinion can have some impact on NFL policy.
But even if Goodell takes the fall for his role in all of this, the ultimate responsibility rests with the owners. Goodell is their representative. They will remain untouched by the fallout though.
September 9, 2014 at 10:01 am #6754
WinnbradParticipantYeah, at least public opinion can have some impact on NFL policy.
But even if Goodell takes the fall for his role in all of this, the ultimate responsibility rests with the owners. Goodell is their representative. They will remain untouched by the fallout though.
Yep. The only authority Goodell has is what’s given to him by the owners. Goodell is just another protective layer in front of them. He can easily be replaced, and the owners get to keep their hands clean.
September 9, 2014 at 10:01 am #6755
LadyRamFanParticipantwv wrote:
Domestic violence is full of strange, human, currents.
Think about the fact that the lady
is going to marry him…and think about
why that would be…etc.That is precisely what I was going to post! She already married him! And no one (except for your post here) says anything about that. How can she, her family and friends, anyone close to this woman think this is okay? Of course it is going to happen again no matter how desperately he tries to convince her it won’t. Now that he’s out of work the violence may escalate. I know domestic violence is a very complicated issue but my heart just breaks for these women who want to believe that he’ll change, or think it’s their fault or that they deserve this, etc. That upsets me more than anything.
September 9, 2014 at 10:27 am #6758nittany ramModerator<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
wv wrote:Domestic violence is full of strange, human, currents.
Think about the fact that the lady
is going to marry him…and think about
why that would be…etc.That is precisely what I was going to post! She already married him! And no one (except for your post here) says anything about that. How can she, her family and friends, anyone close to this woman think this is okay? Of course it is going to happen again no matter how desperately he tries to convince her it won’t. Now that he’s out of work the violence may escalate. I know domestic violence is a very complicated issue but my heart just breaks for these women who want to believe that he’ll change, or think it’s their fault or that they deserve this, etc. That upsets me more than anything.
Yeah, but we have to take care that we don’t allow questions like “why would she marry a guy that beats her?” to detract from the real issue, which is the violent act itself (not saying you or wv do this, I’m just talkin’ here 🙂 ) A lot of people sorta dismiss the violence after learning that the abused person plans to stay with their abuser. There are a whole slew of psychological reasons why victims of abuse stay with and even defend their abusers, but that doesn’t somehow mitigate or lessen the impact of the violence. It’s just another aspect of this that needs further study.
I mean, it would be just as valid to ask the abuser why he stays with someone who makes him lose his control and violently lash out.
September 9, 2014 at 1:20 pm #6771
DakParticipantThe Ravens organization may be even worse than the Commissioner’s Office. They just sent the coach out to address the media. Shouldn’t that be the owner or GM answering reporters’ questions?
I suspect that Ray Rice will never return to the NFL, not because the NFL would consider it morally wrong, but because the NFL and the Ravens handled this the wrong way and there’s no going back. “Suspended indefinitely” sounds like there’s a door left open. But, if reporters continue to dig into whether the NFL covered up information and lied to the media, the story won’t go away as quickly as it would have done otherwise.
Having said all of that, think about this: Ray Rice wasn’t really ever punished by the law for this attack. He should have been sent to prison. At least the NFL did something, even if they didn’t do it right. If he went to prison, he wouldn’t be playing football. At least he’s not allowed to play football.
September 9, 2014 at 3:48 pm #6773
joemadParticipanti don’t know if he’ll ever play in the NFL either but you never know….. afterall some dumb ass organization traded HOF Jerome Bettis to Pittsburgh to get the rights to draft some dickhead from Nebraska who beat his girlfriend in college
After being weeded out by the RAMS, Bill Walsh took a chance on him.
September 9, 2014 at 5:32 pm #6779wvParticipanti don’t know if he’ll ever play in the NFL either but you never know….. afterall some dumb ass organization traded HOF Jerome Bettis to Pittsburgh to get the rights to draft some dickhead from Nebraska who beat his girlfriend in college
Was that the same organization
that traded up for the Pope’s Hooker?Rice will play again. And i dont mind that, frankly.
As long as he grows and evolves and learns what he needs to learn.
What often happens though, is the person just
learns how to jump-through-all-the-hoops and say-the-right-things.This ‘could’ be a chance for Rice to grow
in all kinds of poignant ways.w
vSeptember 9, 2014 at 9:17 pm #6783InvaderRamModeratorwell rice is just a part of a much larger problem.
he didn’t get to this point by himself. i think that’s the most important thing to remember.
and i agree with wv. this is a chance for rice to grow. to learn.
maybe this is a chance for a lot of people to grow. to learn.
but that’s hard to do cuz you gotta have the right people around you. not sure rice or any of those people have the right people around them.
September 10, 2014 at 7:10 am #6797DakParticipantTotally agree. I’m not even certain that the actions of the NFL or the Ravens this week were the right things to do, especially if the goal is to help avoid a repeat of that awful attack in the elevator. But, the NFL has painted itself into this corner by reacting to avoid public criticism.
September 11, 2014 at 6:21 am #6914MackeyserModeratorWhy does she stay? I’ve seen a number of folks ask this question. I know in my heart the answer, but the words… it’s complicated.
However, I found a resource, a TEDtalk, that explains 1000x better than I ever could why victims of domestic violence…men and women…stay.
Hint: to infer it’s about the money is to really, really misunderstand how domestic violence works…
It’s only 16 minutes, but it’s such a valuable resource for understanding this scourge that I just had to post it. I hope everyone takes the time. Anyone who’s ever seen a TEDtalk will understand the level of excellence that is expected from each speaker and this speaker does not disappoint.
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September 11, 2014 at 6:44 am #6916MackeyserModeratorAs for Ray Rice…IF he actually gets to the point of contrition, I’ll be open to hearing it. If you listen to that press conference where he tells Janay Palmer Rice to apologize for “her role in the incident” by saying, “don’t you have something to say?” as if, “look, you. This is part YOUR fault.”
That to me SCREAMS that Ray Rice is still a full on abuser and is having ZERO part of any rehabilitation.
Now that he’s suspended, I’m QUITE sure he blames her…whether it’s because she couldn’t take a punch or “fell wrong” so she “got herself knocked out on the railing” or… well, you name it.
Let’s be clear. I’m all for second chances…for the contrite.
So, until and unless Ray Rice truly comes to grips with what he did, takes responsibility for it IN AT LEAST AS PUBLIC A WAY AS HE ASKED JANAY TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER BEATING, then I hope he’s NOT let off the hook, that people do NOT let him move on and that he’s constantly reminded that he IS a batterer.
Why? Because…he’s not going to change until he’s going to change. And at this time, he’s shown exactly zero signs that he cares to change.
I mean, really. Putting his wife out front to apologize to the world for putting her face too quickly in front of his fist and not being able to retain consciousness when her head slammed into the rail?
Nope. Too often in this fast food nation we want everything quick, even if it isn’t done which lets people off the hook if they’ll only just stand still long enough to let everyone’s attention drift to something else (which only takes a few minutes usually these days). Well, Ray Rice can turn to stone and I’ll still see him as a batterer until HE changes. I don’t need his victims to apologize. I don’t need other shit to happen in the universe to distract me.
Where’s his pain? Where’s his angst? Where’s his difficult journey? Anyone see Ray Rice walking that road? I sure as hell don’t.
The day he’s contrite and actually gives a shit about change, then and only then, will *I* give a shit about Ray Rice getting a chance to move on.
Oh, and since domestic violence is epidemic in this country and desperately needs TONS more discussion… I’m perfectly content to let Ray Rice continue to be the poster boy for it as long as he…well, I was going to say faking his contrition, but he’s not even trying to do that. So, as long as he’s a proud batterer, he can be plenty out front afaic.
Why is ANYONE concerned about Ray Rice getting the chance to move on so quickly, anyway?
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