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  • June 14, 2015 at 11:36 am #26249
    TackleDummy
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    Rams to open Riverfront Stadium in 2017

    What is known about progress of Riverfront Stadium
    1. St. Louis is now projecting the Riverfront Stadium plans will be ready by this August. That means that it will be contract ready. Funds in place, land acquired, no problems left to solve.
    2. The NFL owners have scheduled a special meeting on the stadium situations.
    3. St. Louis has reached an agreement with the St. Louis unions that would allow for the stadium completion within two years after the start of construction of the stadium.
    4. The Rams will have to get 24 votes to move. After the last moves 20 years ago new rules were put in place to prevent owners from moving on their own without league approval. When Kroenke purchased controlling interest in the Rams he agreed to these rules.
    5. The stated policy of the NFL is to keep teams in place whenever possible. In particular, whenever the city has what the NFL considers an adequate stadium situation for the team.
    6. Dave Peacock has hinted that the Rams might stay in St. Louis without Stan Kroenke.
    7. Dave Peacock has also indicated that there are potential buyers for the Rams in St. Louis.

    Based on this it seems to me that it is likely that in August
    1. The owners will approve of the St. Louis Riverfront Stadium.
    2. The Rams will sign a long term contract to play in the Riverfront Stadium
    3. The construction of the stadium will begin
    4. The stadium will be ready for play by the 2017 regular season.

    This seem to be the only reason for the owners to hold a special meeting in August. August would be important for the Rams if they were not moving. It would allow them to move into Riverfront Stadium in 2017. However, there will be no request by any team for relocation. The time set by the NFL for that is December. But if the Rams situation could be settled without relocation, the August meeting makes good sense.

    It is also possible, but maybe not likely, that the owners will also approve the sale of the Rams at this time. However, the outcomes for San Diego and Oakland will not be resolved until later.

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    June 14, 2015 at 11:58 am #26250
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    These are very surprising and interesting developments. Especially these two:

    6. Dave Peacock has hinted that the Rams might stay in St. Louis without Stan Kroenke.
    7. Dave Peacock has also indicated that there are potential buyers for the Rams in St. Louis.

    Might that mean that SK would buy the Raiders and move them to LA? Hmmmmmm …

    What I care about is team stability. If somehow BY AUGUST there might be strong indications of the team staying, then we might have a chance at fan support for the team in this crucial transitional year. That’d be very cool.

    By virtue of the absurd ...

    June 14, 2015 at 12:53 pm #26254
    bnw
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    Is the first post from a recent article?

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    June 14, 2015 at 1:44 pm #26259
    TackleDummy
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    bnw wrote:

    Is the first post from a recent article?

    No, it is from me.

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    June 15, 2015 at 12:30 pm #26306
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    First let me say that I honestly don’t care where they end up but I can’t believe Kroenke would sell the Rams to buy the Raiders. That would make zero sense.More likely the Rams go to LA and the Raiders to St.Louis.

    June 15, 2015 at 12:56 pm #26308
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    TackleDummy wrote:
    bnw wrote:

    Is the first post from a recent article?

    No, it is from me.

    I like your prediction. But is it wishful thinking or based upon something in the press I have not seen? Your 6 & 7 are news to me.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    June 16, 2015 at 2:26 am #26354
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    Eternal Ramnation wrote:

    First let me say that I honestly don’t care where they end up but I can’t believe Kroenke would sell the Rams to buy the Raiders. That would make zero sense.More likely the Rams go to LA and the Raiders to St.Louis.

    After the presentations to the last owner’s relocation committee Mark Davis was very firm in two things about the Raiders. First, he would be the controlling owner of the Raiders for sometime to come. And second, the Raiders would not be moving to St. Louis. I could be wrong, but I thought the timing of his statements was interesting. Something may have happened during the committee meetings to allow for him to make the statements in the firm way he did.

    bnw wrote:

    I like your prediction. But is it wishful thinking or based upon something in the press I have not seen? Your 6 & 7 are news to me.

    My prediction is based on the seven points I stated, all of which have been reported on this and other forums. Points 6 & 7 were statements made by Peacock after some meetings. They were not given much press but I found them interesting. I also find interesting the report yesterday by Randy Karraker that Kroenke is still not in compliance with the NFL rules on cross-ownership and that he has been given until the end of this month to comply.

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    June 16, 2015 at 9:02 am #26361
    bnw
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    Good stuff TD.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    June 16, 2015 at 10:04 am #26364
    TackleDummy
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    bnw wrote:

    Good stuff TD.

    Thanks.

    I was thinking about this cross-ownership stuff. We do know that when Kroenke got controlling interest in the Rams he agreed to give up ownership of his Denver teams. I do not know what penalties are if he does not. However, it could be that he will be required to sell the Rams. There may already be a deal in place for that sale pending finalization of the Riverfront Stadium project. And then Kroenke could invest in the Raiders in such a way as to leave Mark Davis with controlling interest, solve Davis’s potential problem with inheritance taxes when his mother passes and leverage the Raiders into his Inglewood stadium. Note: As minority owner, Kroenke would have no problem with the cross-ownership rules. He was a minority partner with the Rams for years.

    All this is complete speculation on my part. And it is worth every penny you paid for it.

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    June 16, 2015 at 1:45 pm #26375
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    It seems to me that cross ownership of other professional sports teams is one of those rules that is not enforced. It’s like jaywalking. There are 11 NFL owners, including Kroenke, who own other professional sports teams. Most of them are in the NBA and NHL, and it has been going on for a long time.

    edit: the article says Kroenke transferred ownership of the Nuggets and Avalanche to his son Josh, thus complying with the NFL rule on cross ownership in the same market.

    http://thefieldsofgreen.com/2014/09/10/11-cross-sport-owners-of-major-professional-league-franchises/

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    June 16, 2015 at 1:50 pm #26377
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    snowman wrote:

    It seems to me that cross ownership of other professional sports teams is one of those rules that is not enforced. It’s like jaywalking. There are 11 NFL owners, including Kroenke, who own other professional sports teams. Most of them are in the NBA and NHL, and it has been going on for a long time.

    The cross-ownership rules only apply if your other franchise or franchises are in the same place as another NFL team.

    I don’t know all of your examples, but, it seems to me that they don’t all fit that restriction.

    June 16, 2015 at 1:52 pm #26379
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    zn wrote:
    snowman wrote:

    It seems to me that cross ownership of other professional sports teams is one of those rules that is not enforced. It’s like jaywalking. There are 11 NFL owners, including Kroenke, who own other professional sports teams. Most of them are in the NBA and NHL, and it has been going on for a long time.

    The cross-ownership rules only apply if your other franchise or franchises are in the same place as another NFL team.

    I don’t know all of your examples, but, it seems to me that they don’t all fit that restriction.

    Yes, I updates my previous post with that condition. Though I don’t see how the Denver NBA and NHL franchises are in the St. Louis market.

    I am edit-happy today. Notice that Mike Ilitch’s teams are both in Detroit. And he looks like one of the walking dead. Better example – Paul Allen owns the Seahawks and the Trail Blazers, both in the northwest US.

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    June 16, 2015 at 2:35 pm #26385
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    snowman wrote:
    zn wrote:
    snowman wrote:

    It seems to me that cross ownership of other professional sports teams is one of those rules that is not enforced. It’s like jaywalking. There are 11 NFL owners, including Kroenke, who own other professional sports teams. Most of them are in the NBA and NHL, and it has been going on for a long time.

    The cross-ownership rules only apply if your other franchise or franchises are in the same place as another NFL team.

    I don’t know all of your examples, but, it seems to me that they don’t all fit that restriction.

    Yes, I updates my previous post with that condition. Though I don’t see how the Denver NBA and NHL franchises are in the St. Louis market.

    I am edit-happy today. Notice that Mike Ilitch’s teams are both in Detroit. And he looks like one of the walking dead. Better example – Paul Allen owns the Seahawks and the Trail Blazers, both in the northwest US.

    Cross ownership applies because SK’s teams are in the same area as the Broncos.

    That makes SK a rival for revenues and other considerations within the domain of another NFL team.

    If his other teams were in St. Louis, there would be no problem.

    Anyway that, as I understand it, is what cross-ownership is about. Owning sports teams within the domain of another NFL team, not within the domain of your own NFL team.

    June 16, 2015 at 2:57 pm #26391
    TackleDummy
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    snowman wrote:

    Better example – Paul Allen owns the Seahawks and the Trail Blazers, both in the northwest US.

    The Portland Trail Blazers are not in an NFL city. So the cross-ownership rule does not apply to Paul Allen. On the other hand, Kroenke’s Denver teams are in an NFL city. As the owner of the St Louis Rams he cannot own another team that is in another NFL city so he is breaking the rules. Kroenke could own the St. Louis Cardinals without breaking the rules. His ownership of the Premier League’s Arsenal is not a violation. It can also be noted that by moving the Rams to LA Kroenke would not be avoiding this problem. On both the Nuggets and the Avalanche official websites Stan Kroenke is listed as the owner.

    I am not aware of any NFL controlling partner (other than Kroenke) who has ownership of another sports team in a different NFL city. Are there any?

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