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January 12, 2016 at 11:09 pm #37069znModerator
NFL will return to Los Angeles for 2016 season
Sam Farmer
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-la-chargers-rams-20160113-story.html
A 1-year odyssey came to an end Tuesday when National Football League owners voted to allow the St. Louis Rams to move to Los Angeles for the 2016 season and gave the San Diego Chargers an option to join the Rams in Inglewood.
Their home will ultimately be on site of the old Hollywood Park racetrack in Inglewood in what will be the league’s biggest stadium, a low-slung, glass-roofed football palace with a projected opening in 2019 and a price tag that could approach $3 billion.
At an unremarkable suburban hotel, NFL owners found a way to return professional football to Los Angeles, something a succession of billionaires, political heavyweights and Hollywood power brokers couldn’t do for decades.
The historic vote was 30-2 in favor of the Rams and possibly Chargers sharing the Inglewood Stadium, according to a person who witnessed the vote. An official announcement is expected shortly.
The owners set the stage for the decision early in the afternoon when they put two proposals to the group: the Chargers and Raiders in Carson against the Rams and a team to be determined in Inglewood. The Inglewood proposal was favored 20-12 in the first vote and it shifted to 21-11 in a second vote, falling three short of the number needed for passage.
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell then met with Raiders owner Mark Davis and Chargers counterpart Dean Spanos along with the L.A. relocation committee. Goodell then presented the options to the full membership minus the Oakland, San Diego and St. Louis owners before taking the final vote.
More than 200 media credentials were issued and dozens of television cameras were positioned throughout the hotel’s meeting areas. Radio stations were monitoring the minute-by-minute developments as they awaited a conclusion to one of the country’s most curious and longest-running sports sagas.
Left on the outside looking in are the Oakland Raiders and the $1.7-billion stadium they wanted to build with the Chargers atop an old landfill in Carson. Oakland did the least of the three home markets to keep its team, not submitting a proposal for a new stadium as San Diego and St. Louis did.
Forging this deal meant bringing together Rams owner Stan Kroenke, a billionaire real estate developer with a compound in Malibu, and potentially Spanos, whose family has owned the team since 1984. The men, who are NFL partners but not close friends, resisted a partnership for the better part of the last year and focused instead on promoting their rival stadium proposals.
Developers envision transforming the Inglewood site — which at 298 acres is nearly three times the size of Vatican City — into a multibillion-dollar entertainment, retail and housing complex, with the privately financed stadium and a performing arts venue as the centerpiece.
The stadium will have identical locker rooms, offices and owner’s suites for two teams. There will be 70,240 seats that can be expanded to add an extra 30,000 people in standing-room-only areas for large events.
One NFL owner called the project “transformational.”
The sleek venue, set 100 feet into the ground and with a 175-foot above-ground profile, is expected to host indoor events such as college basketball’s Final Four, the NFL Pro Bowl and scouting combine in addition to conventions and award shows.
The design calls for a roof with metal borders and an area over the playing field made of a transparent material called ETFE, which is as clear as a car windshield yet strong enough to support the weight of a vehicle. The stadium would be open on the sides, allowing breezes to flow through the building and enhance the outdoor feel.
Until the stadium is complete, the Rams are expected to play temporarily at the L.A. Memorial Coliseum. If the Chargers join them, it’s unclear where they will play, though the NFL sees Angel Stadium, Dodger Stadium and even the Rose Bowl, which declined last year to bid on hosting a team, as potential options.
Both the Carson and Inglewood projects cleared major hurdles after they were announced early last year when their respective city councils unanimously approved ballot initiatives to green-light the projects and avoid lengthy and expensive environmental review.
The league previously approved a stadium on the Hollywood Park site in 1995 proposed by horse racing magnate R.D. Hubbard and the late Al Davis, but the Raiders owner decided to move his team to Oakland, in part because of the NFL’s insistence that the new venue be the home for two teams.
The maneuvering between the projects included Disney Chairman and Chief Executive Robert Iger joining the Carson project pending its approval. In the weeks leading up to the vote, he vigorously lobbied for Carson, making phone calls to NFL owners, as did Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson, who orchestrated Iger’s involvement. Iger presented Carson’s plan to owners Tuesday, along with Davis and Spanos.
In the last several days, fellow owners worked behind the scenes to bring Kroenke and Spanos together in an accord that allows them to be equitable partners in the Inglewood stadium. The only shared stadium in the NFL is in East Rutherford, N.J., which is home to the New York Giants and Jets.
The league’s long-standing absence from the country’s second-largest market wasn’t for lack of trying. Carson and Inglewood were two of the original sites targeted for stadiums in a process that would eventually include proposals spanning L.A. and Orange counties.
The meandering path to the finish was strewn with dozens of glossy renderings of planned stadiums, slick video presentations and cut-down models by dreamers who fervently believed they had the answer to bring back the NFL. They wanted to build a Spanish-style stadium dubbed “The Hacienda” in Carson, turn the Rose Bowl into a craftsman-style venue or construct a hilltop NFL neighbor to Dodger Stadium.
There were multiple plans for stadiums in downtown L.A. — the Anschutz Entertainment Group abandoned its proposal in March — as well as fleeting visions in Anaheim, Industry, Irvine and several attempts to remake the Coliseum while preserving its historic character.
L.A.’s quest grew so futile, so hopeless as failed plans piled up, that the NFL’s return to the city became a running joke, inside and outside the league. Four L.A. mayors tried, to no avail, along with a slew of other political leaders in the area. There were plans by high-powered businessmen such as Eli Broad, Peter O’Malley, Ed Roski and Casey Wasserman. Even celebrities Garth Brooks, Tom Cruise and Magic Johnson lent their names to efforts.
While L.A. sat vacant, three-quarters of the league’s teams got new or significantly renovated stadiums. The threat of moving to L.A. — however subtle — became leverage for the NFL. More than half the league’s 32 teams were linked to Los Angeles either overtly or by rumor over two decades.
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That changed in January 2014, when Kroenke bought 60 acres of land for an estimated $101 million next to 238 acres of the Hollywood Park site owned by San Francisco-based developer Stockbridge Capital. At the time, the NFL downplayed the development in public but behind the scenes it reinvigorated the L.A. process.Later in 2014, Kroenke and Stockbridge Capital agreed to combine their properties and work together on a mixed-used development with the stadium at the center. The site’s developers estimate between 125 and 150 architects have been working full-time since mid-2014 on the stadium project that was designed by HKS Inc.
All of the site’s previous structures have been demolished except for the casino, which will be torn down once its replacement is finished nearby. More than 100 tons of asphalt and concrete from the old buildings have been crushed into rubble and will serve as the base for the project’s roads and parking lots. A new network of sewers and storm drains has been installed, along with 10,000 linear feet of underground piping for utilities.
Developers have said stadium construction can start as quickly as two weeks after they receive league approval.
The Carson backers proposed a “silver bullet solution” that would provide a new home for the Chargers and Raiders, who play in the NFL’s two oldest stadiums, thereby solving the league’s California dilemma. They envisioned a so-called “mega-market” stretching from Santa Barbara to Mexico, though the concept did not take root with fellow owners.
The enthusiasm extended to Carson’s civic leaders, which changed the name of an unfinished street at the proposed venue’s site to “Stadium Way” and put up a large sign visible from the adjacent 405 Freeway that declared the area to be the “Future Home of Professional Football.”
The Chargers and Raiders agreed to partner on the project the day before its announcement in February. But the effort lagged behind Inglewood.
The teams overhauled their stadium design in April and added a 120-foot tower with a massive flame at the top in honor of former Raiders owner Al Davis. When the Chargers played, simulated lightning bolts would swirl around the top of the tower. That “signature element” was removed from the project shortly thereafter.
January 12, 2016 at 11:09 pm #37070znModeratorThe following is new content from Rams Newsroom:
RAMS TO RETURN TO LOS ANGELESFollowing a vote from National Football League owners, the Rams officially have been approved to return to the greater Los Angeles area and will do so for the 2016 NFL season. The organization called Los Angeles home from 1946-1994.
“This has been the most difficult process of my professional career,” said Rams owner E. Stanley Kroenke. “While we are excited about the prospect of building a new stadium in Inglewood, California, this is bitter sweet. St. Louis is a city known for its incredibly hard-working, passionate and proud people. Being part of the group that brought the NFL back to St. Louis in 1995 is one of the proudest moments of my professional career. Reaching two Super Bowls and winning one are things all St. Louisans should always treasure.
“While there understandably has been emotionally charged commentary regarding our motives and intentions, the speculation is not true and unfounded. I am a Missouri native named after two St. Louis sports legends who I was fortunate enough to know on a personal level. This move isn’t about whether I love St. Louis or Missouri. I do and always will. No matter what anyone says, that will never change. This decision is about what is in the best long-term interests of the Rams organization and the National Football League. We have negotiated in good faith with the Regional Sports Authority for more than a decade trying to find a viable and sustainable solution. When it became apparent that we might not be able to reach an agreement, it was then and only then that we looked at alternatives.
“We would like to thank the National Football League, its owners, and the Committee on Los Angeles Opportunities for their diligence and dedication. We look forward to returning to Los Angeles and building a world-class NFL entertainment district in Inglewood.”
January 12, 2016 at 11:18 pm #37071znModeratorRams players react to team’s relocation to Los Angeles
http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/12/los-angeles-rams-players-react-twitter-relocation-st-louis
he Rams will be leaving St. Louis and moving to Los Angeles, and players on the team took some time on Tuesday evening to thank the city for all of their support, and express excitement toward the future.
The most notable comments came from defensive end Chris Long, who tweeted a four-part goodbye to St. Louis and hello to L.A.
Chris Long @JOEL9ONE
Humbly, eternally gratefully: Thank you St. Louis. I’m sorry we fell short the past 8 years. You treated me like family anyways. I love yallI will always remain involved in trying to continue to give back to the community that supported me through thick and thin.
Los Angeles
You are getting a team that is hungry to win. See y’all soon.Here’s linebacker Alec Ogletree:
#thereturn it’s official!!! Appreciate the support and love we got here in stl. Def will miss this place. Now it’s time for a fresh start!!!
Some of you kill me with your tweets. If you love the rams then it shouldn’t matter where we play we are still #RAMILY here or there!!
Defensive end Robert Quinn:
Thank you St. Louis for all the great memories created and thank you fans for all the support!
Linebacker Akeem Ayers, who was born in Los Angeles and attended UCLA:
Coming Back Home To Play Football Professionally Where It All Started. Verbum Dei HS To UCLA Now Los Angeles Rams.
Linebacker James Laurinaitis:
Running back Chase Reynolds:
I can’t thank STL for the amount of love they’ve showed over the last 5 years. It’s a business and I understand that. Appreciate all of you!
January 13, 2016 at 12:08 am #37077znModeratorAndrew Brandt @AndrewBrandt
Kroenke thanks league office. They did a lot of the dirty work for him.Ross Tucker @RossTuckerNFL
So the city that did the most to keep their team is the only one definitely losing it?January 13, 2016 at 12:56 am #37080znModeratorJanuary 13, 2016 at 1:00 am #37081znModeratorMeet the Los Angeles Rams
Matt Wilhalme
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-meet-the-los-angeles-rams-20160110-story.html
When the Rams picked up and moved to St. Louis after the 1995 season, they took with them a promising young running back, Jerome Bettis.
As they return to Los Angeles they’re bringing another budding star back, Todd Gurley.
Though comparing Bettis, a Pro Football Hall of Famer, to Gurley is truly unfair, the latter is the new young face of one of the NFL’s youngest teams.
The Rams have struggled in recent years to find a quarterback with the endurance to last a full season, and as such they’ve struggled in the passing game. They’ve also lacked a true No. 1 receiver.
The Rams haven’t seen a wideout break the 1,000-yard mark since 2007, when Torry Holt had 1,189 yards receiving. The Rams have the 15th overall pick in the 2016 draft and could address that need in May.
They have heavily invested in their defense with their top picks, selecting three defensive linemen and a linebacker with four of their seven first-round selections since 2011.
Here is an introduction to some of the franchise’s most important players.
OFFENSE
Case Keenum, quarterback
6 feet 1, 205 pounds
2015 STATISTICS
828 yards passing | 4 touchdowns | 1 interceptionCase Keenum
Quarterback Case Keenum looks to pass against San Francisco during a game against the 49ers on Jan. 3. (Ezra Shaw / Getty Images)
Keenum headed into the off-season as the Rams’ incumbent starter if he returns next season, since he’s a restricted free agent and not under contract for 2016. The four-year pro took the starting job late in the season from Nick Foles, whom St. Louis acquired from Philadelphia in a quarterback swap for Sam Bradford. Keenum, who went undrafted out of Houston in 2012, was 3-2 as a starter last season with four touchdown passes and one interception. He’s a pocket passer but has moves that can extend plays, though his offensive numbers won’t blow you away. Ultimately, though, the only number that matters is wins.Nick Foles, quarterback
6-6, 243
215 STATISTICS
2,052 yards passing | 7 touchdowns | 10 interceptionsNick Foles
Quarterback Nick Foles warms up before a game against the Seahawks in Seattle on Dec. 27. (Stephen Brashear / Associated Press)
The Rams traded for Foles with the idea that he’d step in and become their starting quarterback for the long term, even going as far as giving him a two-year contract extension before he played his first meaningful snap. Fast-forward to mid-November: Foles found himself on the bench after the team’s offense scored fewer than 19 points in five of nine starts. Foles struggled with accuracy, completing just 56.4% of his passes, but that wasn’t always the case. In 2013, Foles had 27 touchdowns with just two interceptions in 13 games as he led the Eagles to the NFC East title and their first playoff appearance since 2010.Todd Gurley, running back
6-1, 227
2015 STATISTICS
229 carries | 1,106 yards rushing | 10 touchdowns
21 catches | 188 yards receivingTodd Gurley
Todd Gurley rushed for 146 yards in 19 carries against the Cardinals during a game in Arizona on Dec. 6. (Michael B. Thomas / Getty Images)
Gurley was the first running back selected in the first round of the 2015 NFL draft (10th overall) and and led all rookies with 1,106 yards rushing and 10 touchdowns despite missing the first two games of the season while recovering from a torn anterior cruciate ligament he suffered in college at Georgia. His speed, power and field vision make him a dangerous offensive weapon. Gurley had 11 carries for more than 20 yards (second-most in the NFL) and five plays of 40-plus (most in the league).Kenny Britt, receiver
6-3, 223
2015 STATISTICS
36 catches | 681 yards receiving | 3 touchdownsRichard Sherman, Kenny Britt
Receiver Kenny Britt dives into the end zone for a 28-yard touchdown reception against the Seahawks during a game on Dec. 27. (John Froschauer / AP)
The former Titan has led the Rams in yards receiving in back-to-back years. Britt’s 18.9 yards per catch were the second-most in the league last season, thanks to his ability to get the deep ball. He had 11 grabs that went for more than 20 yards and five greater than 40.Tavon Austin, receiver
5-8, 176
2015 STATISTICS
52 catches | 473 yards receiving | 5 touchdowns
52 carries | 434 yards rushing | 4 touchdowns
34 punt returns | 268 return yards | 1 touchdownTavon Austin
Receiver Tavon Austin warms up before a game against the 49ers on Jan. 3. (Thearon W. Henderson / Getty Images)
Austin put together the best season of his career last year despite the Rams’ struggles on offense — St. Louis had the fewest passing yards per game. The No. 8 overall pick in the 2013 draft out of West Virginia is among the fastest players in the league, making him a threat as a receiver, running back or punt returner if he gets in space. Last year, Austin saw career highs in rushing yards and receiving yards.Tre Mason, running back
5-8, 207
2015 STATISTICS
75 carries | 207 yards rushing | 1 touchdown
18 catches | 88 yards receivingTre Mason
Running back Tre Mason finds some room to run against Tampa Bay during the Rams’ 31-23 victory over the Buccaneers on Dec. 17. (Dilip Vishwanat / Getty Images)
Mason led the Rams with 765 yards rushing and five total scores in 12 games in 2014, but he took a backseat to rookie Gurley in 2015, partly because of a hamstring injury suffered during the preseason. He was limited to fewer than 10 carries in 11 of the 13 games he appeared in this season, with his average yards per carry dropping from 4.8 to 2.8. Mason isn’t a bruiser, but his compact size and quickness allow him to slip through even the tiniest of holes in the defensive line.Jared Cook, tight end
6-5, 254
2015 STATISTICS
39 catches | 481 yards receivingJared Cook
Tight end Jared Cook makes a catch against the Seahawks during a game in Seattle on Dec. 27. (Stephen Brashear / Associated Press)
Cook failed to find pay dirt last season, but he was the Rams’ second-leading receiver with 481 yards and 19 grabs for first downs. The veteran tight end has had 16 touchdown grabs over seven NFL seasons, but saw his production dip in 2015 as the Rams shifted toward a run-first mentality. His size and speed make him a matchup problem for opposing defenses.DEFENSE
Aaron Donald, defensive tackle
6-1, 285
2015 STATISTICS
69 tackles | 22 tackles for loss | 11.0 sacksAaron Donald
Defensive tackle Aaron Donald sacks Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford during the fourth quarter of a game on Dec. 13. (Dilip Vishwanat / Getty Images)
Donald earned first-team All-Pro honors in his second year in the league as he quietly put together one of the better seasons for a defensive player in 2015. He has uncommon quickness for a player of his size and doesn’t have to just overpower opposing offense to get to the quarterback. Donald has collected 20 sacks since he was selected with the 13th overall pick in 2014.Mark Barron, safety/linebacker
6-2, 213
2015 STATISTICS
116 tackles | 3 forced fumbles | 1 sackDavid Johnson, Mark Barron
Cardinals running back David Johnson (31) fumbles as he’s hit by Rams safety/linebacker Mark Barron during the third quarter of a game on Dec. 6. (Tom Gannam / Associated Press)
Barron converted from safety to a hybrid linebacker position last season because of an injury to linebacker Alec Ogletree. The move was a boon for Barron, who finished the season as the Rams’ leading tackler (116) and collected his fourth sack since joining St. Louis from Tampa Bay by trade in 2014. The seventh overall pick in the 2012 draft is a free agent.Robert Quinn, defensive end
6-4, 264
2015 STATISTICS
21 tackles | 5 sacks | 3 forced fumblesColin Kaepernick, Robert Quinn
San Francisco quarterback Colin Kaepernick, left, throws under pressure from Rams defensive end Robert Quinn during the first quarter of a game on Nov. 1. (Tom Gannam / Associated Press)
Rams top pass rusher Donald is able to do his job so well because of this man on the other side of the line. Quinn was limited to eight games in 2015 because of a knee and hip injuries and was ultimately put on injured reserve because of a back injury. He has recorded 50 sacks in five seasons, including 19.0 in 2013, when he was named an All-Pro. He underwent surgery on his back this month and could miss some time in training camp.James Laurinaitis, linebacker
6-2, 248
2015 STATISTICS
109 tackles | 1 forced fumble | 1.0 sackJames Laurinaitis
Rams linebacker James Laurinaitis (55) takes up his position during the third quarter of a game against the Cardinals on Dec. 6. (Tom Gannam / AP)
The former Ohio State linebacker is the Rams’ franchise record holder for most tackles after leading the team in takedowns in four of the last seven seasons. In that time he’s had 852 tackles, 16.5 sacks and 10 interceptions. He doesn’t make a whole lot of flashy plays, but he doesn’t give up a lot of big plays, either.Trumaine Johnson, cornerback
6-2, 208
2015 STATISTICS
71 tackles | 17 passes defensed | 7 interceptionsTrumaine Johnson, Tyler Lockett
Cornerback Trumaine Johnson, left, intercepts a pass intended for Seahawks receiver Tyler Lockett, center, during the first half of a game on Dec. 27. (John Froschauer / Associated Press)
Johnson put together the best season of his career in his final contract year with the Rams. He finished with a career-high 71 tackles and seven interceptions, tied for the third-most interceptions in the league. Among his biggest accomplishments of 2015 included holding Detroit receiver Calvin Johnson to just one catch for 16 yards on five targets.Janoris Jenkins, cornerback
5-10, 198
2015 STATISTICS
64 tackles | 15 passes defensed | 3 interceptionsTorrey Smith, Janoris Jenkins
San Francisco receiver Torrey Smith (82) tries to jump over Rams cornerback Janoris Jenkins (21) during overtime of a game on Jan. 3. (Tony Avelar / Associated Press)
Jenkins makes up the other half of the Rams’ cornerback tandem and he is also a free agent after posting some of the best numbers of his career. He’s started 58 of the 60 games he’s appeared in since he was drafted in the second round in 2012 and has established himself as the team’s best cornerback.Chris Long, defensive end
6-3, 268
2015 STATISTICS
19 tackles | 3 sacks | 1 forced fumbleChris Long
Defensive end Chris Long (91) had one tackle and sacked San Francisco quarterback Blaine Gabbert during the Rams’ season-ending loss to the 49ers, 19-16, in overtime on Jan. 3. (Marcio Jose Sanchez / Associated Press)
Long has been slowed the past two years by injuries but remains the Rams’ vocal veteran defensive leader and another threat to opposing quarterbacks with 54.5 sacks over eight seasons. Long is the son of Hall of Fame defensive end Howie Long and was born in Santa Monica, though the family moved to Virginia after the elder Long’s retirement.Rams | A look back
A brief visual history of the Rams in Southern CaliforniaJanuary 13, 2016 at 1:14 am #37082HerzogParticipant🙁
January 13, 2016 at 7:02 am #37092DakParticipantInteresting that the original article mentions that the Raiders were the party left out in the end. No mention of St. Louis. I guess that’s how it goes from an STL perspective.
Here’s one written from an L.A. perspective:
Goodbye, St. Louis Rams; next stop, LA
HOUSTON • National Football League owners on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to strip the Rams from St. Louis and send the team to owner Stan Kroenke’s proposed $2 billion stadium in Los Angeles County.
The owners also agreed, after more than 10 hours of presentations and negotiations, to allow Dean Spanos to move his San Diego Chargers — but not to the site he proposed. Instead, after multiple closed-door meetings, Spanos agreed to consider leasing or buying into Kroenke’s stadium in Inglewood, southwest of downtown L.A.
The Rams will play in a temporary home in the Los Angeles area next season.
The news almost immediately drew outrage from St. Louis fans, and disappointment from local leaders.
St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said in a statement that the NFL ignored the facts, the strength of the market, the local plan to build a new stadium, and the loyalty of St. Louis fans, “who supported the team through far more downs than ups.”
St. Louis County Executive Steve Stenger said he was “bitterly” disappointed.
Dave Peacock, co-chairman of the task force to build a new football stadium here, called his work with the NFL more “contemplated and contrived than I realized.”
“We’d aim for a target, hit it, and they’d say, no the target was over here,” he said of the NFL’s direction.
And lifelong fans, such as Mickey Right, were crestfallen.“This whole thing’s made me want to become a basketball fan,” said Right, who visited the Edward Jones Dome late Tuesday in homage. “It just really loses your faith in the NFL. It’s supposed to be a league of integrity.”
The Rams and the Chargers, if the team moves, will each pay a $550 million relocation fee.
Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis is, for now, left out of moving plans. Spanos had worked with him for at least a year on a two-team stadium in Carson, Calif., just south of Kroenke’s site.
“We’ll see where Raider Nation ends up here,” he said after the meetings. “We’ll be looking for a home.”
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said after the meetings that Davis will have the opportunity to take the second spot in Inglewood, if Spanos declines. Also, the league has agreed to pay an extra $100 million — beyond the $200 million in NFL stadium construction funds — to either Spanos or Davis, whichever stays in his hometown.
Goodell called both the Carson and the Inglewood projects “outstanding.”
But he said he expected Kroenke’s plan to become “one of the greatest” sports and entertainment complexes in the world.
“We have the return of the Los Angeles Rams to their home,” Goodell said. “We have a facility that is going to be absolutely extraordinary in the Los Angeles market that I think fans are going to absolutely love. And I think it’s going to set a new bar for all sports, quite frankly. And, that, we’re very proud of.”
Those close to the process said after the meeting that it was Kroenke’s stadium vision — in its physical beauty, surrounding redevelopment, and its pitch to house the NFL’s substantial media businesses — that swayed owners. They came into the meeting, insiders said privately, liking his plan better.
Still, they had to vote twice to cut the deal. The first vote favored Kroenke, 20-12, but failed to get the necessary three-fourths of the league’s 32 owners, as required when a team applies to move to a new city.
The owners then took a break while several met behind closed doors with Spanos and Davis.
The final vote came in 30-2, several sources told the Post-Dispatch — and left St. Louis without an NFL team, again.
ST. LOUIS SAGA
The day was historic for the league. Owners have never agreed to relocate two teams at once.And it ends a year of deliberations by finally returning the NFL to Los Angeles, which has been without a team for more than two decades.
Most credit Kroenke for starting the race. Three years ago, the billionaire real estate developer took his landlords at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis to arbitration over the now-infamous “first tier” clause in their lease. The clause required the state of Missouri, city of St. Louis and St. Louis County to renovate the Dome — for about $700 million — up to the league’s “first tier,” or top eight stadia. Local officials declined, and, as prescribed in the lease, the Rams went year-to-year at the Dome.
Two years ago, Kroenke bought land in Inglewood, next to the Los Angeles International Airport. Just a year ago, he announced he was building a “world-class” stadium there.
Spanos has said publicly that he took Kroenke’s move as a direct threat to the Chargers’ fan base, one-fourth of which comes from L.A., he said. Soon after Kroenke’s announcement, Spanos and Davis announced a two-team stadium in Carson.
In the meantime, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon named a stadium task force, which proposed a $1.1 billion open-air stadium on the St. Louis riverfront — with $400 million in public funding — just north of downtown.
The past year featured regular revelations. At some point, nearly every pundit made a prediction.
Then, last week, the league’s relocation filing period opened, and all three teams submitted. Kroenke pitched a sparkling stadium set among shops, restaurants and hotels. His proposal also blasted St. Louis, calling the city “struggling,” and the region unable to sustain three professional sports teams.
Moreover, Kroenke said, Nixon’s stadium plan was so inadequate, not only would the Rams decline, but any NFL team that took the deal was on the path to “financial ruin.”
Officials, from Mayor Slay to Sen. Claire McCaskill, were outraged. Nixon’s stadium task force sent a point-by-point response to the league.
But, this past weekend, Goodell sent a report to all owners saying that the task force plan was inadequate.
Early on Tuesday, it seemed like St. Louis fans could hold on to hopes that owners might vote otherwise. The league’s Committee on Los Angeles Opportunities, made up of six influential owners, recommended in favor of the Carson project.
But by midday, it didn’t seem to matter. Kroenke’s proposal took top billing in early votes, and the owners broke several times, with L.A. committee members meeting in private with Spanos and Davis.
FUTURE OF NFL
IN ST. LOUIS
Late Tuesday a triumphant Kroenke took the stage, unflinchingly, in a large room at the Westin Hotel, site of the meeting. “This is the hardest undertaking that I’ve faced in my career,” Kroenke said. “I understand the emotional side.”Kroenke, infamous for ducking the spotlight, spoke haltingly, but answered every question asked by dozens of reporters at the news conference. It was the most he had said to St. Louis in two years.
And he was unapologetic.
“We worked hard, got a little bit lucky, and had a lot of people help us,” he said, nodding to league staff.
“We have to have a first-class stadium product.”
After the press conference, as NFL security ushered Goodell away from the throngs, the commissioner stopped for a moment to discuss the NFL’s future in St. Louis.
“We haven’t had an opportunity to speak to the governor; of course, I will,” Goodell told the Post-Dispatch. “I think that’s got to be a decision we jointly have to make.
“It’s going to take a high-quality stadium that we’re comfortable with,” Goodell said. “That’s a starting point.”
And then, he said, they’ll have to match St. Louis to a team.
Kristen Taketa of the Post-Dispatch contributed to this report from St. Louis.
- This reply was modified 8 years, 11 months ago by Dak.
January 13, 2016 at 7:08 am #37094DakParticipantAfter the press conference, as NFL security ushered Goodell away from the throngs, the commissioner stopped for a moment to discuss the NFL’s future in St. Louis.
“We haven’t had an opportunity to speak to the governor; of course, I will,” Goodell told the Post-Dispatch. “I think that’s got to be a decision we jointly have to make.
“It’s going to take a high-quality stadium that we’re comfortable with,” Goodell said. “That’s a starting point.”
And then, he said, they’ll have to match St. Louis to a team.
Which probably means another team would move from its city. I’m not interested in that. To me, the NFL is dead in St. Louis. Right now, the NFL is dead to me.
January 13, 2016 at 10:01 am #37101znModeratorAmy Trask @AmyTrask
During my years in the league, I can count on one hand (w/fingers left to spare), the number of times that the (1/2)(2/2) recommendation of a committee & in those instances, the issue was tabled, rather than voted upon, while accommodations were made.
Andrew Brandt @AndrewBrandt
Been around NFL owners meetings a long time, cannot remember league turning its back on a committee recommendation (Carson) as yesterday.January 13, 2016 at 10:58 am #37103znModeratorGoodbye, St. Louis Rams; owners approve move to Los Angeles
David Hunn
HOUSTON • National Football League owners on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to strip the Rams from St. Louis and send the team to owner Stan Kroenke’s proposed $2 billion stadium in Los Angeles County.
The owners also agreed, after more than 10 hours of presentations and negotiations, to allow Dean Spanos to move his San Diego Chargers — but not to the site he proposed. Instead, after multiple closed-door meetings, Spanos agreed to consider leasing or buying into Kroenke’s stadium in Inglewood, southwest of downtown L.A.
The Rams will play in a temporary home in the Los Angeles area next season.
The news almost immediately drew outrage from St. Louis fans, and disappointment from local leaders.
St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said in a statement that the NFL ignored the facts, the strength of the market, the local plan to build a new stadium, and the loyalty of St. Louis fans, “who supported the team through far more downs than ups.”
St. Louis County Executive Steve Stenger said he was “bitterly” disappointed.
Dave Peacock, co-chairman of the task force to build a new football stadium here, called his work with the NFL more “contemplated and contrived than I realized.”
“We’d aim for a target, hit it, and they’d say, no the target was over here,” he said of the NFL’s direction.
And lifelong fans, such as Mickey Right, were crestfallen.
“This whole thing’s made me want to become a basketball fan,” said Right, who visited the Edward Jones Dome late Tuesday in homage. “It just really loses your faith in the NFL. It’s supposed to be a league of integrity.”
The Rams and the Chargers, if the team moves, will each pay a $550 million relocation fee.
Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis is, for now, left out of moving plans. Spanos had worked with him for at least a year on a two-team stadium in Carson, Calif., just south of Kroenke’s site.
“We’ll see where Raider Nation ends up here,” he said after the meetings. “We’ll be looking for a home.”
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said after the meetings that Davis will have the opportunity to take the second spot in Inglewood, if Spanos declines. Also, the league has agreed to pay an extra $100 million — beyond the $200 million in NFL stadium construction funds — to either Spanos or Davis, whichever stays in his hometown.
Goodell called both the Carson and the Inglewood projects “outstanding.”
But he said he expected Kroenke’s plan to become “one of the greatest” sports and entertainment complexes in the world.
“We have the return of the Los Angeles Rams to their home,” Goodell said. “We have a facility that is going to be absolutely extraordinary in the Los Angeles market that I think fans are going to absolutely love. And I think it’s going to set a new bar for all sports, quite frankly. And, that, we’re very proud of.”
Those close to the process said after the meeting that it was Kroenke’s stadium vision — in its physical beauty, surrounding redevelopment, and its pitch to house the NFL’s substantial media businesses — that swayed owners. They came into the meeting, insiders said privately, liking his plan better.
Still, they had to vote twice to cut the deal. The first vote favored Kroenke, 20-12, but failed to get the necessary three-fourths of the league’s 32 owners, as required when a team applies to move to a new city.
The owners then took a break while several met behind closed doors with Spanos and Davis.
The final vote came in 30-2, several sources told the Post-Dispatch — and left St. Louis without an NFL team, again.
ST. LOUIS SAGA
The day was historic for the league. Owners have never agreed to relocate two teams at once.
And it ends a year of deliberations by finally returning the NFL to Los Angeles, which has been without a team for more than two decades.
Most credit Kroenke for starting the race. Three years ago, the billionaire real estate developer took his landlords at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis to arbitration over the now-infamous “first tier” clause in their lease. The clause required the state of Missouri, city of St. Louis and St. Louis County to renovate the Dome — for about $700 million — up to the league’s “first tier,” or top eight stadia. Local officials declined, and, as prescribed in the lease, the Rams went year-to-year at the Dome.
Two years ago, Kroenke bought land in Inglewood, next to the Los Angeles International Airport. Just a year ago, he announced he was building a “world-class” stadium there.
Spanos has said publicly that he took Kroenke’s move as a direct threat to the Chargers’ fan base, one-fourth of which comes from L.A., he said. Soon after Kroenke’s announcement, Spanos and Davis announced a two-team stadium in Carson.
In the meantime, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon named a stadium task force, which proposed a $1.1 billion open-air stadium on the St. Louis riverfront — with $400 million in public funding — just north of downtown.
The past year featured regular revelations. At some point, nearly every pundit made a prediction.
Then, last week, the league’s relocation filing period opened, and all three teams submitted. Kroenke pitched a sparkling stadium set among shops, restaurants and hotels. His proposal also blasted St. Louis, calling the city “struggling,” and the region unable to sustain three professional sports teams.
Moreover, Kroenke said, Nixon’s stadium plan was so inadequate, not only would the Rams decline, but any NFL team that took the deal was on the path to “financial ruin.”
Officials, from Mayor Slay to Sen. Claire McCaskill, were outraged. Nixon’s stadium task force sent a point-by-point response to the league.
But, this past weekend, Goodell sent a report to all owners saying that the task force plan was inadequate.
Early on Tuesday, it seemed like St. Louis fans could hold on to hopes that owners might vote otherwise. The league’s Committee on Los Angeles Opportunities, made up of six influential owners, recommended in favor of the Carson project.
But by midday, it didn’t seem to matter. Kroenke’s proposal took top billing in early votes, and the owners broke several times, with L.A. committee members meeting in private with Spanos and Davis.
FUTURE OF NFL
IN ST. LOUISLate Tuesday a triumphant Kroenke took the stage, unflinchingly, in a large room at the Westin Hotel, site of the meeting. “This is the hardest undertaking that I’ve faced in my career,” Kroenke said. “I understand the emotional side.”
Kroenke, infamous for ducking the spotlight, spoke haltingly, but answered every question asked by dozens of reporters at the news conference. It was the most he had said to St. Louis in two years.
And he was unapologetic.
“We worked hard, got a little bit lucky, and had a lot of people help us,” he said, nodding to league staff.
“We have to have a first-class stadium product.”
After the press conference, as NFL security ushered Goodell away from the throngs, the commissioner stopped for a moment to discuss the NFL’s future in St. Louis.
“We haven’t had an opportunity to speak to the governor; of course, I will,” Goodell told the Post-Dispatch. “I think that’s got to be a decision we jointly have to make.
“It’s going to take a high-quality stadium that we’re comfortable with,” Goodell said. “That’s a starting point.”
And then, he said, they’ll have to match St. Louis to a team.
Kristen Taketa of the Post-Dispatch contributed to this report from St. Louis.
January 13, 2016 at 10:58 am #37104znModeratorBenFred: We’ll miss the Rams but certainly won’t miss their owner
Ben Frederickson
St. Louis lost the battle to keep its losing football team from moving to Los Angeles on Tuesday. The loss of its loser of an owner should help ease the sting.
This city really will miss its mediocre Rams.
Stan Kroenke, not so much.
“I’m going to attempt to do everything that I can to keep the Rams in St. Louis.” — Kroenke
Back when Kroenke, a native Missourian, used to talk to the Rams fan base through the media, the billionaire said he wouldn’t do this. St. Louisans should have known better, of course. A liar can’t help but lie.
Some were led to believe the member of the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame — no kidding — would fight to keep professional football in his home state. Or at least not fight to rip it away.
But the problem was Kroenke’s actions never really seemed to match the assurance he gave the Post-Dispatch in a rare 2010 interview that took place after he exercised his right as minority owner to match a competitor’s bid.
Remember what he said.
“I’m born and raised in Missouri. I’ve been a Missourian for 60 years. People in our state know me. People know I can be trusted. People know I’m an honorable guy.” — Kroenke
Look at what he did.
Kroenke latched onto a regrettable clause in the team’s Edward Jones Dome lease that freed up the opportunity for relocation if the venue wasn’t in the top 25 percent of the league.
Former team president John Shaw made sure the item made it into the paperwork. Kroenke wielded it as his trump card. Meanwhile he made sure his multi-billion dollar dream stadium in Inglewood, Calif., was shovel-ready, with or without the poor second team that will wind up being his tenant.
If only Kroenke’s desire to climb the Forbes ranking and claim Los Angeles matched his desire to own a winning football team.
In his 29-page relocation application — a necessary part of the league relocation guidelines that turned out to be an absolute joke — Kroenke cited the Rams’ to-the-cap spending as a way to knock fans for poor attendance. He failed to mention the Rams are 36-59-1 since he became the majority owner.
He also left out this noteworthy piece of information: Rams coach Jeff Fisher, the man Kroenke hired in 2012, was asked multiple questions about his experience overseeing the Houston Oilers’ transition into the Tennessee Titans during his job interview in Denver. He must have nailed the answers, because Fisher, who is 27-36-1 with the Rams, is about to become the third coach since the AFL-NFL merger to receive a fifth season after a sub-.500 record in each of his first four.
“There’s a track record. I’ve always stepped up for pro football in St. Louis. And I’m stepping up one more time.” — Kroenke
It was wild to track, wasn’t it? The low of Monday night, when reports of a Rams-Chargers partnership surfaced. The thrill of Tuesday afternoon, when the league’s Los Angeles committee recommended the Chargers-Raiders project in Carson, Calif., by a 5-1 vote. Then the disgust when we were reminded that this is the NFL, where money rules.
An initial hope was that Kroenke would be so stubborn he would blow it. Man, it was fun to imagine the league owners with a conscience tackling Kroenke and associate-in-greed Jerry Jones at the goal line.
There were unconfirmed whispers of collusion (rumors that Eric Grubman, the league’s point man on the race to Los Angeles, might be in line for a job with the Rams), and even some humor, such as a report that Kroenke threatened legal action if the league picked Carson.
To be fair, Kroenke probably views the threat of a lawsuit as a sign of his friendship. It’s his version of a handshake.
Eventually, the fun stopped, and reality hit. The men with the money get what they want. Every time. A precedent has been set: If you are the home city of an NFL team that wants to move, do nothing, because it won’t matter in the end.
Kroenke’s fellow con artist, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, painted quite the picture after the NFL mafia cleaned up the blood and paid off the witnesses.
The amount of spin bordered on insanity. It would have been laughable if St. Louis wasn’t the city with the cement blocks strapped to its feet.
The way Goodell told it, Kroenke was leading the Los Angeles Rams home. People here know Kroenke turned his back on his home long ago.
The best part was when Kroenke stepped behind the microphone.
“Um,” he started “Well.”
He recovered and muddled through excuses like a guy who hadn’t talked publicly since …. let me check again … 2012.
Kroenke said he really tried to make it work here. He said it was bittersweet. He said this was the hardest thing he’s done in his professional career.
St. Louis knows better.
“I’ll do my damnedest.” — Kroenke
Turned out he didn’t give a damn. Good riddance, Stan.
St. Louis will miss your team.
It should celebrate losing you.
January 13, 2016 at 10:59 am #37105znModeratorThe NFL Was Guilty Of a Personal Foul, but a Proud St. Louis Will Rally
Posted by: Bernie Miklasz
http://www.101sports.com/2016/01/13/249021/
It’s late. My my alarm clock will be going off in about three hours, and I’m just about out of rage. But here’s some of what I learned during the bizarre, cruel and draining saga that ended with Tuesday’s official if anticlimactic announcement confirming the NFL’s vote to allow Stan Kroenke and the Rams to move to Los Angeles:
MEANINGLESS AND WORTHLESS:
The NFL’s relocation guidelines. The NFL’s integrity. The NFL’s fairness. Roger Goodell’s word. Stan Kroenke’s word. Kevin Demoff’s word. The influence of the NFL’s “Los Angeles” committee. Eric Grubman’s objectivity and impartiality. The NFL’s cross-ownership rules that were ignored to accommodate Kroenke, the first indication that the league executives would shine his shoes when ordered to do so. The importance of Disney CEO Bob Iger, who was supposed to put the competing Carson project in the winning column. The longstanding belief that the NFL owners would give the first shot at LA to San Diego Chargers owner Dean Spanos who had waited in vain for a new stadium in San Diego. His Carson partnership with Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis and Iger was DOA when the owners cut their back-room deal with Kroenke, who had the most money — and therefore the most power. Meaningless: the personal conduct of an NFL owner (Kroenke) in his market. Meaningless: the hideous performance of the owner’s team in his market. Worthless: the concept of holding an owner accountable. Meaningless and worthless: the NFL’s respect for the relentless and remarkable effort by the St. Louis task force that raised at least $400 million in public money to fund a new stadium for a franchise and a league that didn’t appreciate it or deserve it.
MEANINGFUL AND WORTH EVERYTHING:
Kroenke’s $7.7 billion fortune. Goodell and Grubman’s muscle in shoving the LA committee out of the way to get the desired outcome. Kroenke’s willingness to build a $2 billion stadium-entertainment complex in Inglewood, near Los Angeles. The NFL’s enthusiasm to embrace the project and endorse an owner that the league doesn’t even like — all in the pursuit of a solution for filling a void that Kroenke himself created by pulling the Rams out LA in 1995. The NFL’s lust to reach the league’s annual revenue goal of $25 billion annually — and nothing else mattered, including the unprecedented abandonment of a market that raised nearly $1 billion in public dollars (combined) to fund two new stadiums for the league in fewer than 25 years.
I’LL NEVER REALLY UNDERSTAND:
How the NFL can be so cavalier about walking away from $400 million (at least) of public money in St. Louis. It sets a bad precedent for team owners that one day will need to lobby for public dollars to pour into into stadiums in their own markets. This was an ominous development for mid-market owners that can’t keep pace with the wealth of a Kroenke or a Jerry Jones.
I’ll never understand why the NFL shamelessly encouraged Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz to continue pressing to complete the funding for the proposed north riverfront stadium when the league had absolutely no intention of giving St. Louis a fair and honest process that would keep the Rams here. If the cartel wanted to get Kroenke to LA, then be done with it. The anti-STL fix was in; this was a competition that Peacock and Blitz had no chance of winning. So why put STL leadership through a charade, send them through a maze of glasshouse mirrors, and waste the time and energy of two devoted men (and many other individuals here) that were only trying to satisfy the league’s directive for preserving NFL football in St. Louis?
I’ll never understand why Kroenke and his attorney Alan Bornstein felt such a feverish desire and to napalm the city with a vicious attack in the Rams’ official relocation application that contained outright lies, half-truths, misinformation, and gratuitous condemnation of a struggling but proud town that valiantly tried to come through with a first-class stadium? Why couldn’t Kroenke and Bornstein calmly and professionally make the case for moving without nuking the place on the way out? The NFL had already rigged this process to end happily Kroenke, so why drop bombs?
The unseemly tactics were approved by the NFL. We know that because Goodell piled on a few days later with propaganda that came in the form of an official report that signed off on the Rams’ alleged fulfillment of the official relocation guidelines. Goodell repeated some of Kroenke’s lies, and completely disregarded the $400 million in public money placed on the table by St. Louis. Again: why not just get along with your slimy business and take the team away without insulting and tormenting a fan base that had been battered by horrendous football, a conniving owner, and the open-ended threat of the franchise moving? When Bill Bidwill applied to move the Cardinals to Arizona in 1988, he actually praised the St. Louis fans and expressed appreciation for their support before citing his reason for requesting a transfer: his disappointment over the city-county decision to reject Bidwill’s request for a new stadium.
Why did Goodell throw a tantrum when league finance chairman Bob McNair pledged an extra $100 million of league money for the STL stadium project in exchange for a ticket-tax abatement for the team? Goodell made it clear the $100 million contribution wasn’t going to happen for St. Louis … only to turn around Tuesday and give the Chargers and Raiders $100 million apiece for potential stadium solutions in their current markets. The hypocrisy — even by NFL standards — was appalling.
Why did St. Louis — the only at-risk market that made the effort to come up with at least $400 million in public money — get crushed and swept aside by the league, when Oakland and San Diego didn’t even bother to file an actionable stadium proposal by the league’s Dec. 30 deadline? How could the one market that tried to satisfy the NFL’s demands get blown away in favor of two markets that did nothing to remedy their severe stadium problems?
This is real Malice in Wonderland stuff: hammer the city that did everything to deliver the money — and generously reward the two markets that did nothing. The Chargers and/or Raiders may ultimately move, but at least for now San Diego and Oakland have a chance to keep their teams, and the NFL tossed them a $100 million gift to try and make it happen. St. Louis, and that $400 million? GET OUT. The moral of the story: try to do everything right and lose your team; do everything wrong and keep your team. What a filthy, corrupt enterprise.
I’ll never understand why Kroenke — even after getting permission to flee — deemed it necessary to produce a vomit-inducing written statement in which he declared his everlasting love for St. Louis and Missouri.
“St. Louis is a city known for its incredibly hard-working, passionate and proud people,” Kroenke wrote.
(Yes, the incredibly hard-working, passionate and proud people that you tried to eviscerate in your relocation application. And how generous of Kroenke to say, during a rare news conference, that he hoped his stadium-entertainment complex would help the low-income residents of Inglewood.)
“Being part of the group that brought the NFL back to St. Louis in 1995 is one of the proudest moments of my professional career,” Kroenke said. “Reaching two Super Bowls and winning one are things all St. Louisans should always treasure.”
(The Rams had four winning records in 21 seasons here. They haven’t had a winning season since 2003. They haven’t made the playoffs since 2004. They’re stalled on a streak of 12 consecutive losing seasons that includes nine straight losing seasons and the league’s worst winning percentage (.295) since 2007. Thanks, Stan. We’re grateful.)
“While there understandably has been emotionally charged commentary regarding our motives and intentions, the speculation is not true and unfounded,’ Kroenke wrote. “I am a Missouri native named after two St. Louis sports legends who I was fortunate enough to know on a personal level. This move isn’t about whether I love St. Louis or Missouri. I do and always will. No matter what anyone says, that will never change.”
(I assume that the person who penned this for Kroenke was hopelessly intoxicated, and laughing hysterically while writing this Hallmark card to St. Louis.)
WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND:
The Chicken Littles were right about Kroenke moving to Los Angeles. I made fun of them at first — something I’ve subsequently admitted many times. I simply underestimated Kroenke’s greed, especially after he expressed pride in his Missouri roots and honorable reputation while telling me in 2010 that he’d never lead the charge out of St. Louis to Los Angeles. I took the man at his word … at least until it became obvious to me (belatedly) that he wasn’t telling the truth. Either way, my bad.
I understand that the team’s LA-based fans are celebrating, thrilled to have the Rams on the way. I don’t blame them for being happy. They wanted the Rams to return, and their wish has been granted. We felt the same way in 1995. So I congratulate the LA fans. It would be petty to hate on them. They weren’t responsible for moving the team; that was done by Kroenke, Goodell, Grubman and gutless owners. Many of these same LA fans were heartbroken when the Rams moved to St. Louis; their anguish is now our anguish. This is just one of the ugly, awful sides of professional sports. LA and STL fans know all about it.
Never trust Goodell. Ever. (Stating the obvious here, eh?)
I understand that there are good men in this league … some of whom served on the LA committee. They tried to be fair to Peacock and the task force, only to get bulldozed at the end of the road by Goodell and Grubman (the league’s executive VP.)
I know that you can count me out on leading a charge to recruit an NFL team to St. Louis. And this insanity is bubbling up already. According to Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal, who put this on Twitter Tuesday night, NFL in-house lobbyist Cynthia Hogan said “St. Louis is not necessarily done as an NFL city.” Hogan also said (via Kaplan) that had the (Chargers-Raiders) Carson project prevailed over Inglewood the extra $100 million would have gone to St. Louis instead.
Goodness. Is it even possible to be more callous? The Rams haven’t even packed up and the NFL is already trying to set up St. Louis as a leverage station to be used at a later date by NFL team owners that want to put pressure on their local politicians to come up with substantial public money for a new stadium or extensive stadium renovations.
I understand that this is a great city, a tough city with immense pride, a city that faces the inevitable problems that are familiar to most Midwest and Rust Belt towns. It’s also a city with character. It stings to lose the Rams, but the pain will ease. If anything we’ll have more fondness for the Cardinals and Blues and Mizzou. We’ll feel more loyalty, and have a stronger bond, with Blues owner Tom Stillman and Cards owner Bill DeWitt Jr. and the many athletes that bring this town joy.
St. Louis has been knocked around lately, experiencing tragedy and tumult in Ferguson, the damaging floods, and the hard every-day realities that defy easy, simplistic solutions. And now the NFL and Kroenke kicked us when we’re down, abandoning us despite our sincere efforts to make it work for the league and the Rams. We’ll get over it. This metropolitan area didn’t collapse without an NFL team between 1988 and 1994. NFL or no NFL, the challenges remain: better schools, less crime, and more jobs.
I’d rather appreciate what we have instead of agonizing over what we don’t have. No one is going to care about St. Louis except the people who are St. Louis, and a man named after Enos Slaughter and Stan Musial wasn’t going to fix our problems. So we have to look out for each other. Because we’re here. We’re staying. We’ll dig in. We won’t run away. I’m damned proud to live in this city.
January 13, 2016 at 11:01 am #37106znModeratorThe NFL Was Guilty Of a Personal Foul, but a Proud St. Louis Will Rally
Posted by: Bernie Miklasz
http://www.101sports.com/2016/01/13/249021/
It’s late. My my alarm clock will be going off in about three hours, and I’m just about out of rage. But here’s some of what I learned during the bizarre, cruel and draining saga that ended with Tuesday’s official if anticlimactic announcement confirming the NFL’s vote to allow Stan Kroenke and the Rams to move to Los Angeles:
MEANINGLESS AND WORTHLESS:
The NFL’s relocation guidelines. The NFL’s integrity. The NFL’s fairness. Roger Goodell’s word. Stan Kroenke’s word. Kevin Demoff’s word. The influence of the NFL’s “Los Angeles” committee. Eric Grubman’s objectivity and impartiality. The NFL’s cross-ownership rules that were ignored to accommodate Kroenke, the first indication that the league executives would shine his shoes when ordered to do so. The importance of Disney CEO Bob Iger, who was supposed to put the competing Carson project in the winning column. The longstanding belief that the NFL owners would give the first shot at LA to San Diego Chargers owner Dean Spanos who had waited in vain for a new stadium in San Diego. His Carson partnership with Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis and Iger was DOA when the owners cut their back-room deal with Kroenke, who had the most money — and therefore the most power. Meaningless: the personal conduct of an NFL owner (Kroenke) in his market. Meaningless: the hideous performance of the owner’s team in his market. Worthless: the concept of holding an owner accountable. Meaningless and worthless: the NFL’s respect for the relentless and remarkable effort by the St. Louis task force that raised at least $400 million in public money to fund a new stadium for a franchise and a league that didn’t appreciate it or deserve it.
MEANINGFUL AND WORTH EVERYTHING:
Kroenke’s $7.7 billion fortune. Goodell and Grubman’s muscle in shoving the LA committee out of the way to get the desired outcome. Kroenke’s willingness to build a $2 billion stadium-entertainment complex in Inglewood, near Los Angeles. The NFL’s enthusiasm to embrace the project and endorse an owner that the league doesn’t even like — all in the pursuit of a solution for filling a void that Kroenke himself created by pulling the Rams out LA in 1995. The NFL’s lust to reach the league’s annual revenue goal of $25 billion annually — and nothing else mattered, including the unprecedented abandonment of a market that raised nearly $1 billion in public dollars (combined) to fund two new stadiums for the league in fewer than 25 years.
I’LL NEVER REALLY UNDERSTAND:
How the NFL can be so cavalier about walking away from $400 million (at least) of public money in St. Louis. It sets a bad precedent for team owners that one day will need to lobby for public dollars to pour into into stadiums in their own markets. This was an ominous development for mid-market owners that can’t keep pace with the wealth of a Kroenke or a Jerry Jones.
I’ll never understand why the NFL shamelessly encouraged Dave Peacock and Bob Blitz to continue pressing to complete the funding for the proposed north riverfront stadium when the league had absolutely no intention of giving St. Louis a fair and honest process that would keep the Rams here. If the cartel wanted to get Kroenke to LA, then be done with it. The anti-STL fix was in; this was a competition that Peacock and Blitz had no chance of winning. So why put STL leadership through a charade, send them through a maze of glasshouse mirrors, and waste the time and energy of two devoted men (and many other individuals here) that were only trying to satisfy the league’s directive for preserving NFL football in St. Louis?
I’ll never understand why Kroenke and his attorney Alan Bornstein felt such a feverish desire and to napalm the city with a vicious attack in the Rams’ official relocation application that contained outright lies, half-truths, misinformation, and gratuitous condemnation of a struggling but proud town that valiantly tried to come through with a first-class stadium? Why couldn’t Kroenke and Bornstein calmly and professionally make the case for moving without nuking the place on the way out? The NFL had already rigged this process to end happily Kroenke, so why drop bombs?
The unseemly tactics were approved by the NFL. We know that because Goodell piled on a few days later with propaganda that came in the form of an official report that signed off on the Rams’ alleged fulfillment of the official relocation guidelines. Goodell repeated some of Kroenke’s lies, and completely disregarded the $400 million in public money placed on the table by St. Louis. Again: why not just get along with your slimy business and take the team away without insulting and tormenting a fan base that had been battered by horrendous football, a conniving owner, and the open-ended threat of the franchise moving? When Bill Bidwill applied to move the Cardinals to Arizona in 1988, he actually praised the St. Louis fans and expressed appreciation for their support before citing his reason for requesting a transfer: his disappointment over the city-county decision to reject Bidwill’s request for a new stadium.
Why did Goodell throw a tantrum when league finance chairman Bob McNair pledged an extra $100 million of league money for the STL stadium project in exchange for a ticket-tax abatement for the team? Goodell made it clear the $100 million contribution wasn’t going to happen for St. Louis … only to turn around Tuesday and give the Chargers and Raiders $100 million apiece for potential stadium solutions in their current markets. The hypocrisy — even by NFL standards — was appalling.
Why did St. Louis — the only at-risk market that made the effort to come up with at least $400 million in public money — get crushed and swept aside by the league, when Oakland and San Diego didn’t even bother to file an actionable stadium proposal by the league’s Dec. 30 deadline? How could the one market that tried to satisfy the NFL’s demands get blown away in favor of two markets that did nothing to remedy their severe stadium problems?
This is real Malice in Wonderland stuff: hammer the city that did everything to deliver the money — and generously reward the two markets that did nothing. The Chargers and/or Raiders may ultimately move, but at least for now San Diego and Oakland have a chance to keep their teams, and the NFL tossed them a $100 million gift to try and make it happen. St. Louis, and that $400 million? GET OUT. The moral of the story: try to do everything right and lose your team; do everything wrong and keep your team. What a filthy, corrupt enterprise.
I’ll never understand why Kroenke — even after getting permission to flee — deemed it necessary to produce a vomit-inducing written statement in which he declared his everlasting love for St. Louis and Missouri.
“St. Louis is a city known for its incredibly hard-working, passionate and proud people,” Kroenke wrote.
(Yes, the incredibly hard-working, passionate and proud people that you tried to eviscerate in your relocation application. And how generous of Kroenke to say, during a rare news conference, that he hoped his stadium-entertainment complex would help the low-income residents of Inglewood.)
“Being part of the group that brought the NFL back to St. Louis in 1995 is one of the proudest moments of my professional career,” Kroenke said. “Reaching two Super Bowls and winning one are things all St. Louisans should always treasure.”
(The Rams had four winning records in 21 seasons here. They haven’t had a winning season since 2003. They haven’t made the playoffs since 2004. They’re stalled on a streak of 12 consecutive losing seasons that includes nine straight losing seasons and the league’s worst winning percentage (.295) since 2007. Thanks, Stan. We’re grateful.)
“While there understandably has been emotionally charged commentary regarding our motives and intentions, the speculation is not true and unfounded,’ Kroenke wrote. “I am a Missouri native named after two St. Louis sports legends who I was fortunate enough to know on a personal level. This move isn’t about whether I love St. Louis or Missouri. I do and always will. No matter what anyone says, that will never change.”
(I assume that the person who penned this for Kroenke was hopelessly intoxicated, and laughing hysterically while writing this Hallmark card to St. Louis.)
WHAT I DO UNDERSTAND:
The Chicken Littles were right about Kroenke moving to Los Angeles. I made fun of them at first — something I’ve subsequently admitted many times. I simply underestimated Kroenke’s greed, especially after he expressed pride in his Missouri roots and honorable reputation while telling me in 2010 that he’d never lead the charge out of St. Louis to Los Angeles. I took the man at his word … at least until it became obvious to me (belatedly) that he wasn’t telling the truth. Either way, my bad.
I understand that the team’s LA-based fans are celebrating, thrilled to have the Rams on the way. I don’t blame them for being happy. They wanted the Rams to return, and their wish has been granted. We felt the same way in 1995. So I congratulate the LA fans. It would be petty to hate on them. They weren’t responsible for moving the team; that was done by Kroenke, Goodell, Grubman and gutless owners. Many of these same LA fans were heartbroken when the Rams moved to St. Louis; their anguish is now our anguish. This is just one of the ugly, awful sides of professional sports. LA and STL fans know all about it.
Never trust Goodell. Ever. (Stating the obvious here, eh?)
I understand that there are good men in this league … some of whom served on the LA committee. They tried to be fair to Peacock and the task force, only to get bulldozed at the end of the road by Goodell and Grubman (the league’s executive VP.)
I know that you can count me out on leading a charge to recruit an NFL team to St. Louis. And this insanity is bubbling up already. According to Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal, who put this on Twitter Tuesday night, NFL in-house lobbyist Cynthia Hogan said “St. Louis is not necessarily done as an NFL city.” Hogan also said (via Kaplan) that had the (Chargers-Raiders) Carson project prevailed over Inglewood the extra $100 million would have gone to St. Louis instead.
Goodness. Is it even possible to be more callous? The Rams haven’t even packed up and the NFL is already trying to set up St. Louis as a leverage station to be used at a later date by NFL team owners that want to put pressure on their local politicians to come up with substantial public money for a new stadium or extensive stadium renovations.
I understand that this is a great city, a tough city with immense pride, a city that faces the inevitable problems that are familiar to most Midwest and Rust Belt towns. It’s also a city with character. It stings to lose the Rams, but the pain will ease. If anything we’ll have more fondness for the Cardinals and Blues and Mizzou. We’ll feel more loyalty, and have a stronger bond, with Blues owner Tom Stillman and Cards owner Bill DeWitt Jr. and the many athletes that bring this town joy.
St. Louis has been knocked around lately, experiencing tragedy and tumult in Ferguson, the damaging floods, and the hard every-day realities that defy easy, simplistic solutions. And now the NFL and Kroenke kicked us when we’re down, abandoning us despite our sincere efforts to make it work for the league and the Rams. We’ll get over it. This metropolitan area didn’t collapse without an NFL team between 1988 and 1994. NFL or no NFL, the challenges remain: better schools, less crime, and more jobs.
I’d rather appreciate what we have instead of agonizing over what we don’t have. No one is going to care about St. Louis except the people who are St. Louis, and a man named after Enos Slaughter and Stan Musial wasn’t going to fix our problems. So we have to look out for each other. Because we’re here. We’re staying. We’ll dig in. We won’t run away. I’m damned proud to live in this city.
January 13, 2016 at 11:02 am #37107znModeratorThe NFL Returns to L.A.
Peter King
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/12/los-angeles-rams-st-louis-nfl-inglewood-stadium-vote
The Rams are leaving St. Louis for SoCal and building a new stadium in Inglewood. Here’s why Stan Kroenke’s proposal got the votes and where it leaves the two bridesmaids—the Chargers and Raiders. Plus, reader mail
As triumphant Rams owner Stan Kroenke and Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, one of Kroenke’s biggest champions in the long, slow slog to a new NFL reality, celebrated quietly at trendy Houston restaurant Vallone’s near midnight Tuesday, they had to be thinking, “How exactly did this happen?”
And as disappointed San Diego owner Dean Spanos dined privately back at the hotel where NFL owners voted to change the history of football in Los Angeles, he had to be thinking, “How exactly did this happen?”
Noted Los Angeles Times NFL scribe Sam Farmer kept repeating throughout the process of returning pro football to Los Angeles after a 21-year absence: “Anyone who tells you he knows what’s going to happen in L.A. is lying, because the owners don’t even know.” That continued into Tuesday morning at the nondescript Westin Memorial City Hotel in Houston. That where’s the six-owner committee charged with finding the best NFL option for Los Angeles voted 5-1 in favor of building a new stadium complex in suburban Carson anchored by the Chargers. Within hours, the NFL owner membership, voting by secret ballot (that was important), rebuked the L.A. committee hours later by voting 20-12 and then 21-11 for the Inglewood project.
The Rams are scheduled to begin play—with or without another team as a neighbor—in the 70,240-seat stadium and $2.6-billion complex in Inglewood in 2019.“It was unbelievable,” Jones said. “I’ve never been in a meeting where that many people voted for what the committee didn’t want.”
So why the switch? Two things. “The key was changing from public to secret ballots,” said one NFL source. “The reversal of support [from Carson to Inglewood] from what Dean expected shocked him. And absolutely the 21 votes for Inglewood was a shock.” Conversely, the lack of support for Carson once the ballots went secret was very surprising. The Carson support evaporated in a flash, which few people in Houston saw coming.
The switch came about, another high-ranking club source said, because of the quality of Kroenke’s proposal for a 298-acre stadium site, and so much more. One high-ranking club executive said the overall quality of the Inglewood site, with inclusion of a new campus for NFL media—NFL Network, NFL digital ventures and NFL.com, including a theater for premieres of NFL-produced programming and documentaries and films—was a big factor in swaying so many owners to the Kroenke side.
“The surprise of the day was getting the 21 votes right off the bat,” the high-ranking club source said. “That set the tone. This is the league’s biggest asset, and it’s significant that they awarded it to Stan. They trust him.”
So this is the way the vote happened, and how the three tenuous teams stand today:
The Rams: Owners eventually voted 30-2 for Kroenke to move to Inglewood and shepherd the NFL back to Los Angeles for the first time since 1994. Owners, in addition, gave the Chargers until January 2017 to make a deal to move to Inglewood with Kroenke. The Rams will play in the Los Angeles Coliseum for either two or three seasons, beginning in August, while the Inglewood stadium is being built. St Louis, meanwhile, bitterly accepted the NFL decision and prepared to move forward without a team. “This sets a terrible precedent not only for St. Louis but for all communities that have loyally supported their NFL franchises,” said Missouri governor Jay Nixon.
The Chargers: For a decade Charger brass felt frustrated that it couldn’t get a deal done in San Diego. The NFL has given Spanos and the city a year and one final chance to get a new stadium arranged—or to join Kroenke in Inglewood in a facility that Kroenke finances totally. There were indications that Dean Spanos, who seems to be done with San Diego, will move to strike a deal in Inglewood within a month or two, though it’s certainly not his first preference.
The Raiders: “We’ll be working really hard to find us a home,” owner Mark Davis said in a statement Tuesday night. “We’ll get it right.” How, exactly? The Raiders will almost certainly return to the O.co Coliseum for the 2016 season while Davis considers his option, which are bleak. He has no stadium lease. (The one at the Coliseum just expired, and he likely would have to go year-to-year there now.) The Raiders will have the option to join the Rams in a year if Spanos doesn’t get the deal done in that time, but it is a longshot to think the Kroenke stadium would ever be an option for Davis. The Raider future, which will be supplemented by a $100-million check from the NFL in the effort to get an Oakland stadium done, would be best spent in Northern California, with a second owner helping Davis get a good stadium deal done.
As far as NFL alignment goes, the Rams’ move makes make great geographical sense. The NFC West will now presumable be comprised of Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona and the Los Angeles Rams, a perfect top-to-bottom West Coast (and slightly inland) group. If the Chargers move, the AFC West would consist of Oakland (for now), Denver, Kansas City and the Los Angeles Chargers. The franchises, they are a-changin’.
The folks in Missouri won’t appreciate that, when the vote was over Tuesday evening, the membership gave Kroenke—a silent partner for the most part, the NFL’s Howard Hughes owner—a warm ovation. That’s stunning in itself, because of fractious nature of the multi-year relocation process and the enmity Kroenke engendered among some owners who felt St. Louis was a perfectly fine market willing to bend over backwards for an NFL franchise.
“Stan is a tremendous asset to the NFL,” Jones said after the vote. “I don’t think there was anything short about Carson. There was everything long about Inglewood. The best thing we could have done was have Stan Kroenke lead the Rams back to Los Angeles, with absolutely the greatest plan that has ever been conceived in sports as far as how to put the show on.”
To the victors go the NFL franchise. The bitter taste won’t soon leave the mouths of Rams fans in St. Louis. And, possibly soon, San Diego.
January 13, 2016 at 11:02 am #37108InvaderRamModeratorAmy Trask @AmyTrask
During my years in the league, I can count on one hand (w/fingers left to spare), the number of times that the (1/2)(2/2) recommendation of a committee & in those instances, the issue was tabled, rather than voted upon, while accommodations were made.
Andrew Brandt @AndrewBrandt
Been around NFL owners meetings a long time, cannot remember league turning its back on a committee recommendation (Carson) as yesterday.i don’t think the committee ever really supported carson. just an attempt to strong arm kroenke into making some more concessions for spanos.
i hope someone makes a documentary about this some day. an honest one.
January 13, 2016 at 11:39 am #37146znModeratori don’t think the committee ever really supported carson. just an attempt to strong arm kroenke into making some more concessions for spanos.
That could be.
January 13, 2016 at 12:43 pm #37156wvParticipantAs far as NFL alignment goes, the Rams’ move makes make great geographical sense. The NFC West will now presumable be comprised of Seattle, San Francisco, Arizona and the Los Angeles Rams, a perfect top-to-bottom West Coast (and slightly inland) group. If the Chargers move, the AFC West would consist of Oakland (for now), Denver, Kansas City and the Los Angeles Chargers. The franchises, they are a-changin’.
—————————-“Los Angeles Chargers” — for some reason, I hadn’t
thought about the fact the Chargers would not be
called the San Diego Chargers anymore.LA Rams and LA Chargers.
How weird.
So for two or three years it will be
the old Coliseum ?
Not a great home-field advantage.
The sound wont be intimidating.
Natural grass though.w
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January 13, 2016 at 12:49 pm #37158znModeratorNatural grass though.
I;ve seen it argued that the Rams as they are now built are not as good on grass.
The defense for one is slower.
However, maybe the long national nightmare of endless OL injuries will go away.
January 13, 2016 at 12:56 pm #37160wvParticipantNatural grass though.
I;ve seen it argued that the Rams as they are now built are not as good on grass.
The defense for one is slower.
However, maybe the long national nightmare of endless OL injuries will go away.
I wonder how Gurley will like playing
in the Rain, and such.Wonder what the Rams record is
over the last four years,
on grass?w
vJanuary 13, 2016 at 6:30 pm #37211znModeratorStark Contrast Between Losing Rams in 2016 and Losing Cardinals in 1988
Randy Karraker
http://www.101sports.com/2016/01/11/stark-contrast-losing-rams-2016-losing-cardinals-1988/
It is absolutely surreal to be sitting here in 2016, mentally preparing myself for a second NFL team to leave my hometown as the Rams hope to get the votes necessary to move to L.A this week. In March of 1988, the NFL’s 28 owners voted to allow the St. Louis Cardinals, the only team I had ever known, to leave for the Valley of the Sun.
Now, the league’s 32 owners are prepared to vote, perhaps to send my team since 1995, the Rams, back to another transient Sunbelt city, Los Angeles.
The differences are stark. The Cardinals were the team of my youth. The Rams are the team that brought me a Super Bowl as an adult. The Cardinals were the team that I was introduced to football with by my father, who first bought season tickets in 1971. The Rams are the team that I introduced my kids to football with, as a charter PSL holder in 1995. The Cardinals played in an era in which players had to work in the town they played in during the off-season, and fostered friendships with people and stayed in their town. I still run into Jim Otis, Steve Jones, Bob DeMarco, Dan Dierdorf, Jackie Smith, Roger Wehrli and more around St. Louis, and know them as friends. In this day and age in the NFL, the money has changed dramatically, for the better for the players. Their year-round job is to work out for their team, and when they aren’t, they return home or to a Sunbelt city.
When Bill Bidwill first announced that he wanted a new stadium for the Big Red after the 1984 season, he did so because he had to. Teams made about $16.8 million a year from TV in those days, and there was no salary cap. The Bidwill family was, and is, a football family. The NFL is their source of income. In the 1980’s, it was possible for a franchise to lose money. Without an improvement over Busch Stadium II, the Cardinals could lose money, and if they didn’t get a new stadium in St. Louis, they had to get one somewhere.
Now, each team gets $234 million a year from TV and NFL properties, and there’s a salary cap of $121 million. The Rams pay into player benefits, employees, insurance, travel expense, and $250,000 a year in rent. There is virtually no way the franchise can lose money.
In addition to the income, the year after the Cardinals moved to Phoenix, Jerry Jones purchased the Dallas Cowboys for $140 million. Now that franchise is worth $4 billion. Kroenke purchased his original 40% of the Rams for roughly $60 million, and then bought the remaining 60% for about $450 million. So he has about $510 million invested in a property that was worth $775 million when he bought it, $1.45 billion now and probably at least $2.5 billion if he’s allowed to move it. Add to that the fact that Kroenke’s net worth is reported at $7.6 billion, and he doesn’t need to do this.
The Bidwill family had to move and didn’t want to. Kroenke doesn’t have to move, and is the only owner in sports that doesn’t want to keep his team in his home market.
In an ironic twist, St. Louis leadership did virtually nothing to keep the Cardinals in St. Louis, and have bent over backward to keep Kroenke’s Rams here. In 1989, when Missouri Governor John Ashcroft signed off on financing for a new domed stadium in St. Louis, Jim Holder called up Bidwill to ask about it. When Jim asked Bidwill what he thought, he said “if they would have done this three years ago, this would be a local call.” The Cardinals would have been happy with the Dome and we never would have had to meet Stan Kroenke.
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Fans hold up a sign encouraging the team to stay in St. Louis at the Rams’ final home game of the 2015 season.
Another difference between now and then is that the internet didn’t exist in the mid 1980’s. The emotional roller coaster fans have been on is by and large a product of information…accurate or not…gleaned from the internet.
In St. Louis, we knew Bidwill was shopping, but wondered if he had it in him to pull the trigger on a move. We didn’t know how far or close cities like Baltimore and Phoenix were to getting the team.
In 2015-2016, we knew immediately when Kroenke bought land in Inglewood, when he announced his stadium plans, when the team turned in its vitriolic relocation proposal, and how he feels about St. Louis.
I don’t ever remember seeing the Cardinals’ relocation proposal, but the Cardinals attorney Bob Wallace told Fox 2’s Martin Kilcoyne that it actually fawned over St. Louis fans and the market. It’s not that way now, obviously. Add instant information to the misinformation inherent in a story that lasts for years and there’s going to be a roller coaster.
When approval was given to the Big Red in 1988, they were the only team on the move, and it was just a matter of them getting the rubber stamp to relocate. Now, with three teams trying to fill one or two spots in an unknown Los Angeles stadium (Inglewood or Carson), there is anxiety that wasn’t a part of the Cardinals departure.
Both situations are emotionally devastating. I was younger then and didn’t know where life would take me. I didn’t even think about whether I’d get another chance to follow the NFL in my hometown. This time, I’ve lived an NFL life. I had a chance to watch the greatest offense the league has ever seen in person, and had a chance to watch my team in two Super Bowls. My Super Bowl Champion was one of the three or four best teams in the league’s history. Even if they’d ever get good again, NFL football for me could never match what I got from 1999-2004. If they go, I’ll be upset because I love my city and would hate to see the young people of St. Louis be deprived of a chance to have their own NFL team, but for me personally? It’s already been as good as it’s ever going to be.
But there’s one more aspect to this that I thought about all weekend. I think St. Louis got the Rams at the perfect time, and, if they lose them, it may be at the perfect time.
It’s not out of the realm of possibility that the NFL has reached its apex.
Look at any stadium during the regular season, and you’re going to see empty seats. Even Commissioner Roger Goodell admits getting people to stadiums is one of the biggest challenges the NFL faces. It’s expensive and time consuming to go to games, and the TV product is outstanding. I can’t tell you how many Rams games I’ve been to in the last seven years in which I’ve asked myself “why am I here?” When the product is bad, it’s easy to stay away.
Concussions are a huge problem, and are taking young athletes away from the sport. The rules have also taken the legal big hit out of football. The new CBA prevents players from being able to practice as much, and the product quality is not what it was even five years ago. Players aren’t coached as much, and aren’t as good. The league is greedy, with Goodell admitting that his primary focus is getting league revenues to $25 billion by 2027. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban predicted last March “just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way. I’m just telling you, when you’ve got a good thing and you get greedy, it always, always, always, always, always turns on you. That’s rule No. 1 of business.” The way things are going, with this relocation process included, Cuban may be right.
The NFL turned its head when the Patriots perpetrated Spygate, and couldn’t punish people when the Patriots allegedly deflated footballs to gain an advantage. Some people wonder whether there might be more cheating. There are so many rules that games have no flow.
Numerous players have been arrested for domestic violence, including defensive end Greg Hardy, who was welcomed back to the league by the Cowboys with a big contract.
The league spends an inordinate amount of time in court. That’s focused on as much or more than what happens on the field. It becomes a grind.
I’m not saying the league has reached its peak, but that it may have. Either way, the league we lost in 1988 and the league we may be losing now are dramatically different. It’s never good to lose a billion dollar industry or a pro sports team. But as much as it’ll hurt, trust me on this.
Once you get into the next season, you’ll be fine if you don’t have the NFL in your city. Bad football is better than no football, but no football isn’t the end of the world.January 13, 2016 at 10:28 pm #37236January 14, 2016 at 12:38 am #37239znModeratorRelocating sports teams should pay back public funds, McCaskill says
David Hunn
ST. LOUIS • Sen. Claire McCaskill, exasperated by the imminent relocation of the St. Louis Rams, has begun drafting a bill to claw back public dollars from professional sports teams that prematurely leave their hometowns.
McCaskill, a Democrat, said Sen. Roy Blunt has expressed interest in cosponsoring the bill.
Blunt, the state’s Republican senator, could not immediately be reached for comment. He told reporters earlier in the day that “not every problem is a federal problem.” Still, he said he was “certainly open” to talking about other ideas.
McCaskill has been pressuring the National Football League over the past year to keep the Rams in St. Louis. She spoke with Commissioner Roger Goodell the night before Tuesday’s NFL owners vote.
“St. Louis stepped up, in good faith,” she told the Post-Dispatch on Wednesday. She called plans to spend $400 million in local and state tax dollars on a $1.1 billion St. Louis riverfront stadium a “massive” public investment, and the region’s second, following construction of the Edward Jones Dome itself.
But the NFL instead approved Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s request to move the Rams back to Los Angeles.
“I’m confident at this point that the NFL used excuses to turn down our stadium project,” she said.
“There’s no question in my mind that, years ago, Stan Kroenke made up his mind he was going to L.A.”
He worked methodically, and, at some points “maniacally,” to get there, she said. Kroenke’s relocation proposal to the league, which called St. Louis a “struggling” city, incapable of supporting three professional sports teams, “purposely burned the bridge with St. Louis,” she continued. He knew it would infuriate St. Louis fans.
“The notion that we can’t support an NFL team is laughable,” McCaskill said, “just laughable.”
She called the NFL’s process a “very smelly onion,” and the years spent planning the new St. Louis stadium a waste.
“It appears to me this was a useless exercise,” she said.
Senators have a history in demanding accountability from the NFL. When the Bidwill family was threatening to move the St. Louis Cardinals football team to Phoenix, for instance, Missouri Senators Jack Danforth and Thomas Eagleton pushed a bill to mandate league relocation procedures. The bill made it out of committee, but before it could get a vote on the floor, the NFL adopted its own set of relocation guidelines, using very similar language, McCaskill noted.
Her office is in the early stages of drafting legislation. Staffers said the goal is to make sure communities are treated fairly if a sports team that benefits from public funds — such as playing in a publicly financed stadium — decides to move to another community.
McCaskill said she’s not being vindictive. “I have a chance to make sure no other community will get treated like St. Louis,” she said. “The heart of the NFL isn’t just in the mega media markets.”
Others are already examining more exactly how Kroenke won NFL approval to leave Missouri, she said. “There’s a lot of things we have to take a look at,” she said.
McCaskill hinted that regional leaders may be considering a suit against the NFL. If the NFL didn’t comply with its own relocation guidelines, her staff later clarified, it is possible anti-trust laws were violated.
If so, McCaskill said, “I think that’s a real problem for the NFL, legally.”
A new team in St. Louis, of course, would ease the sting, McCaskill said.
There is some hope, she suggested, that the Oakland Raiders might move to St. Louis. Owner Mark Davis has said several times he’s looking elsewhere.
The quirky owner stopped briefly to talk to the Post-Dispatch on Wednesday morning in Houston, site of Tuesday’s owners meeting. He confirmed he was interested in other cities.
But St. Louis? “Absolutely not,” he said.
January 14, 2016 at 12:40 am #37240znModeratorOnly one obvious conclusion for St. Louis: The fix was in
Howard Balzer
HOUSTON – At the end of the day, it’s fair to say the fix was in. We never really had a chance. Is there any other conclusion to reach?
After all, in a year in which the National Football League will celebrate the golden anniversary of its championship game, the Super Bowl, league owners voted Tuesday to support the man with the most gold, Rams owner Stan Kroenke, approving the relocation of the team from St. Louis to a Los Angeles-area stadium in Inglewood.
It was Kroenke who first helped the Rams move to St. Louis from Anaheim in 1995 when he joined then-owner Georgia Frontiere as a 40-percent partner. Now, 21 years later, he and the owners allowed the relocation despite a stadium plan that included $400 million of public money and cost $16 million to achieve what it did.
Yet, with straight faces, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell stood at the podium and talked about how “we have not been successful in getting stadiums done in the home markets.”
Kroenke claimed he had engaged with the community and looked for an “alternative, but it didn’t succeed.”
Really? It all sounds like the theory of the big lie. Keep saying it enough and you actually begin believing it. Most eye-opening was the decision that was reached even after the LA Opportunities Committee recommended the Carson plan for the Chargers and Raiders. All along, Chargers owner Dean Spanos had said he had no interest in partnering with Kroenke or with the Inglewood project. However, when it became apparent early in the day that there weren’t enough votes to get that deal approved, everything shifted quickly.
The eventual deal was certainly one no one could have anticipated. The Chargers have an option that expires on Jan. 15, 2017, to be the second team in Inglewood, unless a referendum to approve public financing for a new stadium in San Diego is approved prior to Nov. 15, 2016. If that happens, the option could be extended until Jan. 15, 2018. The Raiders have a conditional option to be the second team, and that period would begin on the day that the Chargers’ option expires.
Said Raiders owner Mark Davis, “This is not a win for the Raiders. We have to work hard to find a home.”
Most remarkable is two teams that have been trying in vain to get a new stadium for more than a decade have now been given a reprieve and will be given an extra $100 million to boot. That’s right. An extra $100 million. The same figure that Goodell said was a non-starter for the riverfront stadium plan.
When I asked New York Giants owner Steve Tisch how that money could be viewed as a negative for the St. Louis plan but is being provided for the Chargers and Rams, he said, “I can’t answer that.”
The league’s relocation rules have been ignored and now should be shredded, just like the cross-ownership rules should be that allowed Kroenke to transfer ownership of his NBA Denver Nuggets and NHL Colorado Avalanche to his wife.
After the decision both the task force and Gov. Jay Nixon issued statements. From the task force: “Today’s decision by the NFL concludes a flawed process that ends with the unthinkable result of St. Louis losing the Rams. Over the past 15 months, our stadium task force has delivered in every respect to what the NFL demanded of St. Louis to keep our team. More important, over the past 21 seasons, most of them dire, St. Louis has been remarkably supportive of and faithful to the Rams. We will leave it to the NFL to explain how this could happen and hope the next city that may experience what St. Louis has endured will enjoy a happier and more appropriate outcome.
“Here in St. Louis and throughout our region, we are incredibly grateful for the energy and support we received during this journey. What St. Louis was able to accomplish in a very, very short time was, and is, amazing. That our collective efforts will not be rewarded, or recognized, is very unfortunate. We all deserve better, but never forget that we just showed everyone and ourselves what St. Louis is capable of achieving. The best days for St. Louis are not far away.”
Nixon had an interesting take on just what might be next:
“Tonight’s decision is disappointing, and a clear deviation from the NFL’s guidelines. It is troubling that the league would allow for the relocation of a team when a home market has worked in good faith and presented a strong and viable proposal. This sets a terrible precedent not only for St. Louis, but for all communities that have loyally supported their NFL franchises. Regardless of tonight’s action, the fact remains that St. Louis is a world-class city deserving of a world-class NFL team. We will review the NFL’s decision thoroughly before determining what next steps to take. In particular, we are interested in their justification for departing so significantly from the NFL’s guidelines after St. Louis had – in record time – presented a proposal for a first-class stadium.”
Jones claimed after the vote, “This was not a vote against St. Louis, which is a great city. There can be opportunity there.”
When asked what that might be, Jones said, “It can happen.” Right. Just more lip service from a league that sand-bagged St. Louis and left Spanos and Davis feeling like they’d been hit by a truck. And the league wouldn’t even care if they suffered concussions for their trouble.
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January 14, 2016 at 1:21 am #37242InvaderRamModeratorwho knows. maybe this is a blessing in disguise. now st louis is off the hook for yet another 400 million dollars that goes to a totally unnecessary stadium. the ed jones dome will still be able to generate money for the city.
http://www.ibtimes.com/nfl-los-angeles-rams-relocation-good-news-st-louis-economy-2263922
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January 14, 2016 at 1:55 am #37246znModeratorGoodbye, St. Louis Rams; next stop, LA
David Hunn
HOUSTON • National Football League owners on Tuesday voted overwhelmingly to strip the Rams from St. Louis and send the team to owner Stan Kroenke’s proposed $2 billion stadium in Los Angeles County.
The owners also agreed, after more than 10 hours of presentations and negotiations, to allow Dean Spanos to move his San Diego Chargers — but not to the site he proposed. Instead, after multiple closed-door meetings, Spanos agreed to consider leasing or buying into Kroenke’s stadium in Inglewood, southwest of downtown L.A.
The Rams will play in a temporary home in the Los Angeles area next season.
The news almost immediately drew outrage from St. Louis fans, and disappointment from local leaders.
St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said in a statement that the NFL ignored the facts, the strength of the market, the local plan to build a new stadium, and the loyalty of St. Louis fans, “who supported the team through far more downs than ups.”
St. Louis County Executive Steve Stenger said he was “bitterly” disappointed.
Dave Peacock, co-chairman of the task force to build a new football stadium here, called his work with the NFL more “contemplated and contrived than I realized.”
“We’d aim for a target, hit it, and they’d say, no the target was over here,” he said of the NFL’s direction.
And lifelong fans, such as Mickey Right, were crestfallen.
“This whole thing’s made me want to become a basketball fan,” said Right, who visited the Edward Jones Dome late Tuesday in homage. “It just really loses your faith in the NFL. It’s supposed to be a league of integrity.”
The Rams and the Chargers, if the team moves, will each pay a $550 million relocation fee.
Oakland Raiders owner Mark Davis is, for now, left out of moving plans. Spanos had worked with him for at least a year on a two-team stadium in Carson, Calif., just south of Kroenke’s site.
“We’ll see where Raider Nation ends up here,” he said after the meetings. “We’ll be looking for a home.”
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said after the meetings that Davis will have the opportunity to take the second spot in Inglewood, if Spanos declines. Also, the league has agreed to pay an extra $100 million — beyond the $200 million in NFL stadium construction funds — to either Spanos or Davis, whichever stays in his hometown.
Goodell called both the Carson and the Inglewood projects “outstanding.”
But he said he expected Kroenke’s plan to become “one of the greatest” sports and entertainment complexes in the world.
“We have the return of the Los Angeles Rams to their home,” Goodell said. “We have a facility that is going to be absolutely extraordinary in the Los Angeles market that I think fans are going to absolutely love. And I think it’s going to set a new bar for all sports, quite frankly. And, that, we’re very proud of.”
Those close to the process said after the meeting that it was Kroenke’s stadium vision — in its physical beauty, surrounding redevelopment, and its pitch to house the NFL’s substantial media businesses — that swayed owners. They came into the meeting, insiders said privately, liking his plan better.
Still, they had to vote twice to cut the deal. The first vote favored Kroenke, 20-12, but failed to get the necessary three-fourths of the league’s 32 owners, as required when a team applies to move to a new city.
The owners then took a break while several met behind closed doors with Spanos and Davis.
The final vote came in 30-2, several sources told the Post-Dispatch — and left St. Louis without an NFL team, again.
ST. LOUIS SAGA
The day was historic for the league. Owners have never agreed to relocate two teams at once.
And it ends a year of deliberations by finally returning the NFL to Los Angeles, which has been without a team for more than two decades.
Most credit Kroenke for starting the race. Three years ago, the billionaire real estate developer took his landlords at the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis to arbitration over the now-infamous “first tier” clause in their lease. The clause required the state of Missouri, city of St. Louis and St. Louis County to renovate the Dome — for about $700 million — up to the league’s “first tier,” or top eight stadia. Local officials declined, and, as prescribed in the lease, the Rams went year-to-year at the Dome.
Two years ago, Kroenke bought land in Inglewood, next to the Los Angeles International Airport. Just a year ago, he announced he was building a “world-class” stadium there.
Spanos has said publicly that he took Kroenke’s move as a direct threat to the Chargers’ fan base, one-fourth of which comes from L.A., he said. Soon after Kroenke’s announcement, Spanos and Davis announced a two-team stadium in Carson.
In the meantime, Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon named a stadium task force, which proposed a $1.1 billion open-air stadium on the St. Louis riverfront — with $400 million in public funding — just north of downtown.
The past year featured regular revelations. At some point, nearly every pundit made a prediction.
Then, last week, the league’s relocation filing period opened, and all three teams submitted. Kroenke pitched a sparkling stadium set among shops, restaurants and hotels. His proposal also blasted St. Louis, calling the city “struggling,” and the region unable to sustain three professional sports teams.
Moreover, Kroenke said, Nixon’s stadium plan was so inadequate, not only would the Rams decline, but any NFL team that took the deal was on the path to “financial ruin.”
Officials, from Mayor Slay to Sen. Claire McCaskill, were outraged. Nixon’s stadium task force sent a point-by-point response to the league.
But, this past weekend, Goodell sent a report to all owners saying that the task force plan was inadequate.
Early on Tuesday, it seemed like St. Louis fans could hold on to hopes that owners might vote otherwise. The league’s Committee on Los Angeles Opportunities, made up of six influential owners, recommended in favor of the Carson project.
But by midday, it didn’t seem to matter. Kroenke’s proposal took top billing in early votes, and the owners broke several times, with L.A. committee members meeting in private with Spanos and Davis.
FUTURE OF NFL IN ST. LOUIS
Late Tuesday a triumphant Kroenke took the stage, unflinchingly, in a large room at the Westin Hotel, site of the meeting. “This is the hardest undertaking that I’ve faced in my career,” Kroenke said. “I understand the emotional side.”
Kroenke, infamous for ducking the spotlight, spoke haltingly, but answered every question asked by dozens of reporters at the news conference. It was the most he had said to St. Louis in two years.
And he was unapologetic.
“We worked hard, got a little bit lucky, and had a lot of people help us,” he said, nodding to league staff.
“We have to have a first-class stadium product.”
After the press conference, as NFL security ushered Goodell away from the throngs, the commissioner stopped for a moment to discuss the NFL’s future in St. Louis.
“We haven’t had an opportunity to speak to the governor; of course, I will,” Goodell told the Post-Dispatch. “I think that’s got to be a decision we jointly have to make.
“It’s going to take a high-quality stadium that we’re comfortable with,” Goodell said. “That’s a starting point.”
And then, he said, they’ll have to match St. Louis to a team.
January 14, 2016 at 6:38 am #37252nittany ramModeratorAccording to Plaschke, there’ll be no “honeymoon period” for the Rams in LA.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-nfl-la-plaschke-20160113-column.html
Welcome back, NFL. Welcome home, Rams. Welcome, maybe, Chargers.
Now get to work, all of you.
Certainly, it’s worth celebrating Tuesday’s vote by the NFL owners to approve the return of this country’s national pastime to Los Angeles after a 21-year absence.
It’s perfect that the first team back will be the Rams, our first professional champion, our first love.
It’s interesting that the Chargers, born here, have the approval to possibly become a second team in the proposed Inglewood sports palace.
But, dear football folks, this town doesn’t throw parades for just showing up.
The sports landscape around here has changed dramatically in the last two decades, and there are some things you should know.
First, we didn’t ask you to come back. Oh, we may have whined occasionally during Super Bowl weeks, but we didn’t hold giant rallies or send emotional letters or really miss you that much. We play fantasy football, we watch DirecTV, we drive to Las Vegas for a three-team parlay. We’ve had our fill of the NFL without actually having a team.
Live football? We’ve fallen in love all over again with the pro-style programs at USC and UCLA, just check attendance figures.
Sundays? We’ve done just fine watching the Dodgers on Sunday afternoons in the fall and the Lakers on Sunday nights in the winter.
Where will L.A.’s NFL team’s play while a new stadium in built?
Second, we’re not paying for you to come back. Every place else you’ve gone, the grateful locals have slipped you a few bucks to show up, but not here, not even close, which is probably why it took 21 years for you to return.
We didn’t pry open civic pocketbooks or agree to any special taxes like some of those other smaller towns. We’re sophisticated enough to understand that you’re not a hospital or firehouse, that billionaires shouldn’t need handouts to bankroll their pigskin parties.
So understand first that you’re here because you want to be here and because you think you can make money here, not because anybody was dying to see you again. Consider yourself lucky to be back on our turf. And while you’re here, you’ll have to play by our three simple rules:
You must win. You must entertain. You must do both with the sort of decency and integrity that makes us feel comfortable enduring long lines of traffic, long lines at bathrooms, and mosh pits in parking lots for a chance to watch you play.
We’ve done that at Dodger Stadium and the Rose Bowl and the Coliseum, and we’ll do that for you. But you have to earn it.
You must learn from Frank McCourt. The former Dodgers owner tried to cheat us and we ran him out of town.
You must learn from Donald Sterling. The former Clippers owner embarrassed us so we ignored him for years, until the NBA finally ran him out of town.
The NFL has made plenty of money off a tribal mentality among its fans, but we don’t think like that. Sports is not our obligation, it’s our entertainment, and when the fun stops, we stop showing up. You lose, we’re gone. You take us for granted, we’re gone.
We don’t owe you cheers — even Kobe Bryant has been booed here. We don’t owe you unconditional love — even with three consecutive division titles, the Dodgers brand has been splintered by an ownership group that refuses to fix a contact that has left more than half their fans unable to watch on television.
Watching the NFL march back through our door is like watching the return of a quiet, beloved relative who left home to become rich and famous. Now that he’s back and wants everyone to join his party, well, hmmm.
When the Rams left town, they were viewed as a sweet neighborhood operation whose players weren’t too proud to participate in an infamously corny music video — “Let’s Ram It!” — and whose most ardent fans wore watermelons on their heads. But these Rams are coming back as an ATM for the reticent Stan Kroenke, and are a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in 11 years.
The Rams’ evolution has mirrored that of its league. The NFL has become the biggest and coldest of businesses, run by owners who have trivialized domestic abuse, covered up the effect of concussions, and mishandled legitimate cheating allegations against its most celebrated player, all in the last couple of seasons.
But there is much potential here, because the NFL is also about community. Just ask those purple-bundled fans sitting in below-zero temperatures in Minnesota last weekend, or the roaring sea of orange that can be found in Denver this weekend, or the thousands of screaming “12s” who show up all season in Seattle.
The NFL has become a shared experience like none other in sports, with a unique ability to connect even the most diverse neighborhoods in a weekly experience that for its most ardent fans has become sacred habit. Because it is as powerful on television as it is in person, because it owns every Sunday between September and February, and because its players represent helmeted superheroes unlike those found in any other league, the NFL owns the sports landscape in nearly every community it exists.
At least, everywhere else. And maybe here one day. But it’s not going to be easy.
The Rams and Chargers can’t just untie a bag of footballs, roll them across the Coliseum floor, and expect everyone to bow and pay $150 for the privilege.
The Lakers and Dodgers run this joint, and college football teams are giants, and nobody wins like the Kings, and nobody has more drama than the Clippers, and in 21 years Los Angeles has become arguably the nation’s most interesting sports town — without the national pastime’s help.
Welcome back, NFL. Now make us glad we missed you.
January 14, 2016 at 8:26 am #37254wvParticipantRelocating sports teams should pay back public funds, McCaskill says
David Hunn
ST. LOUIS • Sen. Claire McCaskill, exasperated by the imminent relocation of the St. Louis Rams, has begun drafting a bill to claw back public dollars from professional sports teams that prematurely leave their hometowns.
McCaskill, a Democrat, said Sen. Roy Blunt has expressed interest in cosponsoring the bill.
Blunt, the state’s Republican senator, could not immediately be reached for comment. He told reporters earlier in the day that “not every problem is a federal problem.” Still, he said he was “certainly open” to talking about other ideas.
McCaskill has been pressuring the National Football League over the past year to keep the Rams in St. Louis. She spoke with Commissioner Roger Goodell the night before Tuesday’s NFL owners vote.
“St. Louis stepped up, in good faith,” she told the Post-Dispatch on Wednesday. She called plans to spend $400 million in local and state tax dollars on a $1.1 billion St. Louis riverfront stadium a “massive” public investment, and the region’s second, following construction of the Edward Jones Dome itself.
But the NFL instead approved Rams owner Stan Kroenke’s request to move the Rams back to Los Angeles.
“I’m confident at this point that the NFL used excuses to turn down our stadium project,” she said.
“There’s no question in my mind that, years ago, Stan Kroenke made up his mind he was going to L.A.”
He worked methodically, and, at some points “maniacally,” to get there, she said. Kroenke’s relocation proposal to the league, which called St. Louis a “struggling” city, incapable of supporting three professional sports teams, “purposely burned the bridge with St. Louis,” she continued. He knew it would infuriate St. Louis fans.
“The notion that we can’t support an NFL team is laughable,” McCaskill said, “just laughable.”
She called the NFL’s process a “very smelly onion,” and the years spent planning the new St. Louis stadium a waste.
“It appears to me this was a useless exercise,” she said.
Senators have a history in demanding accountability from the NFL. When the Bidwill family was threatening to move the St. Louis Cardinals football team to Phoenix, for instance, Missouri Senators Jack Danforth and Thomas Eagleton pushed a bill to mandate league relocation procedures. The bill made it out of committee, but before it could get a vote on the floor, the NFL adopted its own set of relocation guidelines, using very similar language, McCaskill noted.
Her office is in the early stages of drafting legislation. Staffers said the goal is to make sure communities are treated fairly if a sports team that benefits from public funds — such as playing in a publicly financed stadium — decides to move to another community.
McCaskill said she’s not being vindictive. “I have a chance to make sure no other community will get treated like St. Louis,” she said. “The heart of the NFL isn’t just in the mega media markets.”
Others are already examining more exactly how Kroenke won NFL approval to leave Missouri, she said. “There’s a lot of things we have to take a look at,” she said.
McCaskill hinted that regional leaders may be considering a suit against the NFL. If the NFL didn’t comply with its own relocation guidelines, her staff later clarified, it is possible anti-trust laws were violated.
If so, McCaskill said, “I think that’s a real problem for the NFL, legally.”
A new team in St. Louis, of course, would ease the sting, McCaskill said.
There is some hope, she suggested, that the Oakland Raiders might move to St. Louis. Owner Mark Davis has said several times he’s looking elsewhere.
The quirky owner stopped briefly to talk to the Post-Dispatch on Wednesday morning in Houston, site of Tuesday’s owners meeting. He confirmed he was interested in other cities.
But St. Louis? “Absolutely not,” he said.
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“…A new team in St. Louis, of course, would ease the sting, McCaskill said.
There is some hope, she suggested, that the Oakland Raiders might move to St. Louis. Owner Mark Davis has said several times he’s looking elsewhere….”So, the politician is all concerned about the Fans, blah blah blah —
but if the Oakland fans get screwed who cares. I see.w
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