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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    The Rams are going to eat $20.15 million in cap space. Wow.

    ME added by edit: That was a very early response & he’s wrong about the cap hit. The real info is down in the thread, it came later.

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    one of my favorite Ram plays ever…. avoiding a TD to kill the clock in Detroit.

    I loved Gurley… someday we’ll understand what happened in the week in-between the Dallas playoff game and the New Orleans Championship game in 2018…….. not only his knee, but his confidence. Something happened to his confidence in New Orleans… not sure if it stemmed from the love that McVay showed to CJ Anderson…..

    I hope he doesn’t end up in SF, or the NFC West…..

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    Gregg Rosenthal@greggrosenthal
    It’s rough, but the Rams aren’t cutting Gurley for cap reasons. They are cutting him because they don’t think he can help them win.

    Myles Simmons@MylesASimmons
    Gurley was one of my favorite players to cover in my time with the Rams. Sometimes the business of football stinks.

    Just thinking about this. When Gurley signed his extension at the beginning of training camp in ‘18, I asked him about knowing he’d play in the new stadium in 2020 with the contract extension, and I remember him enthusiastically saying, “Yeah! Now we know!”

    Cold world, man

    Johnny Hekker@JHekker
    I’ll always be a Gurley Man. @TG3II was a hell of a teammate and overcame a ton to contribute however he could. I wish him nothing but the best moving forward. Our franchise has banners because of that man. Nothing but love.

    Billy M@BillyM_91
    As if you needed to hear it again, this lesson of Gurley is evidence A that you should never pay a RB a big deal.

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    The Rams are going to eat $20.15 million in cap space. Wow.

    That’s wrong.

    You don’t have to wait until June 1st anymore to designate it as a June 1 release.

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    Field Yates@FieldYates
    Source: the Rams released RB Todd Gurley with a post-June 1 designation, meaning the team will spread the dead money cap charges over two seasons. The team will also see $5.5M in cap savings that becomes available on June 2.

    Tom Pelissero@TomPelissero
    The #Rams still owe Todd Gurley a $7.55 million roster bonus tomorrow, but escape the additional $10.5M in salary and bonuses that would’ve become fully guaranteed at 4 p.m. He leaves behind $20.15M in dead money on the salary cap over the next two years.

    A portion of that roster bonus tomorrow ($2.5 million) is subject to offsets, meaning if Gurley signs elsewhere, the #Rams can get some of the money back. As it stands now, L.A. will have paid $34.5M on the extension he signed in July 2018.

    Jason_OTC@Jason_OTC
    #Rams can earn a partial offset on the Gurley guarantee when he signs elsewhere.

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    Joel Corry@corryjoel
    Todd Gurley was scheduled to make $11,949,978 in the last 2 years of his rookie deal. Gurley gets $34.5M from the extension ($2.5M with offset), which is $22,550,022 more than playing out his rookie contract.

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    Cameron DaSilva@camdasilva
    Draft interest doesn’t lie. Rams have been sniffing around the RBs this year, meeting with a few at the combine. That was the first clear sign Gurley might be gone.

    Todd Gurley finished his Rams career 6th in franchise history with 5,405 rushing yards. He’s also tied with Marshall Faulk for the most rushing TDs (58) in Rams history, too.

    Steven Jackson@sj39
    The value of a player to his team is never truly calculated. @TG3II talent brought to @RamsNFL backfield every time you took the field reflected in the stat sheet but also from your opponents post game interviews. Wherever your future takes you, continue to be great G. #Respect

    Matt Bowen@MattBowen41
    Interested to see the FA market for RB Todd Gurley…

    Straight-line/power runner. Fits in zone schemes. Receiving traits on screen concepts, swings, throws to the flat.

    Explosive play production has declined. Didn’t show the same burst/acceleration on his ‘19 film.

    ESPN Stats & Info@ESPNStatsInfo
    Todd Gurley has scored 70 touchdowns in his career.

    The only player in NFL history to score more TDs at age 25 or younger is Hall-of-Famer Emmitt Smith.

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    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/free-agency-update-rb-todd-gurley-released-by-rams/id1477535034?i=1000468912576

    Free Agency Update: RB Todd Gurley Released By Rams 11 Personnel: A show about the Los Angeles Rams

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/free-agency-update-rb-todd-gurley-released-by-rams/id1477535034?i=1000468912576

    Rich Hammond of The Athletic LA gives breaking reaction to the news that Pro Bowl RB Todd Gurley has been released by the Rams. What does this mean for the draft, and why couldn’t they trade him? Rich breaks it all down. Stay tuned to The Athletic for more free agency breaking news.

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    Sad news.

    He was a lot of fun to watch. Great talent, work ethic, athleticism. The NFL takes a tremendous toll on players, obviously.

    Some Monday Morning QBing, though: I think the Rams have been too quick to extend several players recently. It’s not a major problem if it’s not a massive contract, with most of the dollars guaranteed. It’s often a great idea for next-tier players, for instance. As in, they should have locked up Littleton last year. To me, that would have been a smart thing to do.

    But if you choose just a few players and give them the lion’s share — Goff, Gurley, AD, Cooks — it’s gonna come back and bite ya. It’s going to make it nearly impossible to pay quality players who may not be in that first tier yet.

    It may not even be possible, given sports these days. But I wish the salary ranges were far, far less hierarchical. It would make for a better game in my view, and lift overall team morale to boot.

    In short, I’m not a big fan of the “superstar” system.

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    Rams Release RB Todd Gurley

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/03/19/todd-gurley-released-rams-salary

    The Rams have released star running back Todd Gurley, the team announced Thursday.

    The move was made before $10.5 million becomes fully guaranteed on his contract. In July 2018, Los Angeles signed Gurley to a four-year, $60 million contract extension with $45 million in guarantees. The deal made him the highest-paid running back in the NFL at the time.

    By deciding to release Gurley, the Rams are left with a $20.15 million dead-cap since he was released with a pre-June 1 designation. He is now free to sign with any team he chooses.

    Gurley took to Twitter to respond to being released.

    “D— I got fired on my day off,” he wrote.

    On Wednesday, NFL Network’s Michael Silver reported the Rams were willing to trade Gurley this offseason to offload his salary, and if they didn’t find a trading partner, the team could release him.

    Gurley became the face of the franchise after the Rams selected him with the No. 10 pick in the 2015 draft. The Georgia product was an All-Pro in 2017 and 2018, and he rushed for 1,251 yards with a league-high 21 touchdowns during the latter. However, his production dropped last season, and Gurley tallied a career-low 1,064 yards from scrimmage while still scoring 14 touchdowns.

    As his playing time lessened in 2019, questions over the health of his knee, which was surgically repaired during college, continued to swirl.

    The Rams, who finished third in the NFC West last season at 9–7, also released linebacker Clay Matthews on Thursday.

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    J.B. Long@JB_Long

    Thank you @TG3II. I’ll never forget the touchdowns. But also the hours you spent signing autographs and especially your gift for inspiring youth, all of which I know will continue well beyond your time in Horns.

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    But if you choose just a few players and give them the lion’s share — Goff, Gurley, AD, Cooks — it’s gonna come back and bite ya. It’s going to make it nearly impossible to pay quality players who may not be in that first tier yet.

    The sort of “rule” that gets talked about is, you can have 8-10 players taking up around 60-65% of the cap and be competitive. They had that kind of possibility with the 4 guys you named.

    Sometimes it’s the position. All Cooks got was the standard issue 2nd contract for a starting WR.

    Soon Ramsey will replace Gurley on that list, and they will still have room for 4 or 5 more big contract guys. That’s just how the cap works.

    But it wasn”t just Littleton, Brockers, and Fowler. There’s also Ramsey, Kupp, Johnson, and to a lesser extent Everett and Hill. They weren’t choosing just between and among the 3 2020 guys. Everyone they sign cuts off another possible signing down the road.

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    I’m glad they released him. Its good for the team to move on.

    Its a shame about his knees.

    There was a stretch there with McVay’s Offense and Gurley’s healthy knees,
    where the synergy created an elite, electrifying offense.
    Didnt last long, though, did it.

    Makes me appreciate Steven Jackson more, btw. The guy bashed-on-relentlessly for all those years. Tough guy.

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    PFF: 2020 NFL Free Agency: Live analysis of the top free agent signings and news
    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2020-nfl-free-agency-live-analysis-free-agent-tracker

    Los Angeles Rams release Todd Gurley

    In many ways, Gurley is the poster child for the debate centered around running back value. After a 2017 season in which he earned a top-5 PFF grade at the running back position, performing at a high level both as a runner and receiver out of the backfield, the Los Angeles Rams extended Gurley a four-year, $57.5 million offer with $45 million guaranteed. It looked as if things were going well again in 2018 as Gurley ran for 17 touchdowns and caught another four in one of the league’s most efficient offenses. However, towards the end of the season and into the playoffs, chronic knee injuries began to limit Gurley. That carried over to 2019 behind a significantly worse offensive line. He didn’t put up nearly the same production as a runner, and he managed just a 34.8 grade as a receiver. That resulted in the Rams releasing Gurley on Friday prior to a deadline that would have triggered an additional $10.5 million in guarantees in his contract. Still, they must eat over $20 million in dead cap, signaling the dangers of paying big money to the position.

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    Sad day.

    My favorite Rams teams always featured a bell cow back – McCutcheon, Dickerson, Bettis, Faulk, etc. Gurley was one of the best of that group when he was healthy. A joy to watch.

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    I talked to Todd Gurley two weekends ago. He laughed when I mentioned talking to Sean McVay.

    So, yes, the Rams ended up in a bad spot with Gurley and, particularly with his albatross of a contract, but they did the only thing they could: get out of it.

    There simply were too many questions. How healthy is Gurley’s knee? Is there a degenerative condition? Is he capable of carrying the ball 18 to 20 times, every game for a full season, if needed? Was he happy with the team? All of these questions (and others) were repeatedly asked over a 16-month period, and no definitive answers were ever obtained. This situation couldn’t continue in 2020.

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    Todd Gurley cut: Barnwell on how the Rams erred, what’s next for the former superstar

    Bill Barnwell

    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28927480/todd-gurley-cut-how-rams-erred-next-former-superstar

    The Rams cut Todd Gurley on Thursday, bringing a stunning end to the Rams career of a player who was considered a viable MVP candidate as recently as December of 2017. His story is a cautionary tale for teams that want to believe their stars are exceptions to what we know about player value and a reminder of how teams who ignore the economics of the NFL often end up paying for their mistakes down the line. It’s also a reminder of just how hard it is to be a running back in the NFL in 2020.

    To understand why the Rams cut Gurley, you have to start with the terms of the four-year, $57.5 million extension he signed in July of 2018. The deal paid him a $21 million signing bonus, but to keep his 2018 and 2019 cap numbers low, the team inserted a series of player-friendly guarantees for both base salaries and roster bonuses in Year 3 of the contract. Gurley’s cap hit was $7.2 million in 2018 and $9.2 million in 2019, but it was set to nearly double and spike to $17.3 million this offseason.

    By keeping him on the roster in 2019, the Rams triggered his $7.55 million roster bonus in the 2020 season. They’ve already paid that bonus. This sort of bonus structure makes it more likely that a team will keep a player around; if you’re guaranteeing next year’s money a year in advance, chances are that a team is going to keep that player around to actually play out that year.

    Why Thursday was critical for a decision on Gurley

    If the Rams didn’t cut or trade him by 4 p.m. ET, his $5.5 million base salary for 2020 and his $5 million roster bonus for 2021 were both going to fully guarantee. The Rams would have been on the hook for that $17.2 million cap hit in 2020 and would have owed him at least that $5 million in 2021. Instead, the Rams will owe $20.2 million in dead money on their cap for 2015 first-round pick. They will designate the 25-year-old as a post-June 1 release and spread that over two years, with $11.8 million in 2020 and $8.4 million next year, but this is a colossal amount of dead money for a team up against the cap.

    If you want to understand why no team wanted to trade for Gurley, well, look at those guarantees. That team would have been on the hook for either a one-year, $10.5 million deal or a two-year, $14.5 milion pact. Gurley averaged 3.8 yards per carry last season, didn’t produce a single play longer than 25 yards and was the subject of bizarre weekly quotes from Sean McVay in which the Rams would insist he was totally healthy and then use him on a part-time basis. It’s clear that something is not right with Gurley’s knee, and without the ability to give him a full medical on short notice in light of the coronavirus outbreak, teams weren’t going to run the risk of assuming significant guarantees.

    What has to be frustrating from the perspective of Rams fans is that this team didn’t need to hand out this extension at all. Since the league went to its current draft structure in the 2011 CBA, the Rams have been extremely aggressive in giving out extensions to their first-round picks after three seasons. Most teams wait to give out extensions to first-round picks until their young players have finished their fourth season in the pros. The Rams have now given five of their first-rounders extensions after Year 3: pass-rusher Robert Quinn, wide receiver Tavon Austin, linebacker Alec Ogletree, Gurley and most recently quarterback Jared Goff. The first four moves turned out to be disappointments, and Goff isn’t off to a hot start.

    As I wrote about at the time back in July of 2018, the Rams had Gurley under contract for one more year with a base salary of $2.3 million. They also had a fifth-year option available at $9.6 million, which was guaranteed for injury that summer and would have been guaranteed for skill the following year. They would have owed just under $12 million for two years of Gurley without having to make any longer-term commitment after that time. If the Rams had gone year-to-year and decided he wasn’t worth a longer-term investment, they could have moved on from him this offseason with zero dead money.

    Instead, the Rams gave him an extension which paid him $26.95 million over those first two seasons. When you include the $7.5 million roster bonus that guaranteed last year, they paid Gurley $34.5 million for two seasons, nearly triple what they could have paid going year to year. They’ll also incur all of that dead money, which will hurt their chances of adding valuable pieces to a top-heavy roster over the next two seasons.

    When teams typically hand out extensions to first-round picks after three years, the goal is to try to spread the value of the new deal over the two remaining seasons on their current deal and the four new seasons to keep the cap hits low. In the process, their contracts are cheaper than the new money might seem. Take Carson Wentz’s four-year, $128 million extension; while it looks like $32 million per season, when you factor in the two existing seasons on his rookie deal, Wentz is actually on a six-year, $154.8 million contract. That’s $25.8 million per season, which is well below Russell Wilson’s total average of $31.4 million per season at the top of the market.

    The problem with the Gurley deal is that the Rams didn’t extract any discount. They gave him a raise well before they needed to do so and they paid him a top-of-the-market deal. His extension left him with six years and $71.5 million to go on his contract, an average of just under $12 million per season. No other active deal when he signed that contract was in the same stratosphere; the closest contract was LeSean McCoy’s five-year, $40 million pact with the Bills from 2015, which averaged $8 million.

    Calculated another way, NFL teams use a player’s compensation over the first three years to value contracts, since players don’t often have guarantees after that third season and will often either be cut or sign a new deal. With a franchise tag, the Rams could have paid Gurley around $23 million for three seasons. The top of the market at that time was McCoy at $27.3 million over three years. The Gurley extension paid him $40 million over three years and triggered an additional guarantee in Year 4 to make it $45 million. This was an enormous bet by the Rams.

    The arguments for and against paying Gurley in 2018

    I’ve read two arguments for why the Rams needed to pay him in 2018, and neither works. One was that he would have held out, which isn’t the case. He said in April of 2018 that he had no intention of holding out. He might have tried to hold out in 2019, but with his knee clearly becoming a problem by the end of the 2018 season, he wouldn’t have had much leverage. The Rams only used Gurley in a part-time role for most of 2019, so a big extension wouldn’t have been likely.

    Others have suggested the Rams wouldn’t have made it to the Super Bowl in 2018 if it weren’t for a healthy Gurley. Again, this seems unlikely given that we saw the Rams move the ball just as effectively that year with street free agent C.J. Anderson while Gurley sat out injured in December. When Gurley returned, the Rams continued to give Anderson the majority of their carries throughout the NFC playoffs until the Super Bowl, when Gurley took over as the primary back and the Rams scored three points.

    L.A. had a couple of arguments for paying Gurley like it did. One was the idea that he was a transcendent back whose ability to absorb an every-down workload and serve as a significant receiving threat made him the exception to the rules that running backs were fungible and replaceable. Anderson’s success and Gurley’s struggles over the last year (alongside those of backs like David Johnson, Devonta Freeman and Le’Veon Bell, each of whom signed significant extensions) seem to put that idea to rest.

    The other was that general manager Les Snead’s argument that Gurley was a human being who deserved to be compensated, which is true but also doesn’t reflect the reality of how the NFL works. The Rams, as an example, didn’t give star defensive tackle Aaron Donald an extension until after the fourth year of his rookie deal, even though Donald outproduced the likes of Austin, Goff and even Gurley before getting paid. The Rams are now cutting Gurley even though I’m sure he’s just as nice and worthy of a human being as he was yesterday or two years ago.

    Where could Gurley land now, and what’s next for RBs?

    Gurley is going to sign a new deal elsewhere, but there aren’t a lot of teams that need help at running back, and it’s telling that some of the teams that did have holes at running back chose to make another move as opposed to waiting out the Rams. The Texans traded for David Johnson in the DeAndre Hopkins fiasco. The Dolphins signed Jordan Howard to a two-year deal. I’d argue that even a compromised Gurley is a better player and will be on a better contract than either of those two, and both teams should have known Gurley was going to come available one way or another by Thursday afternoon.

    The two most obvious landing points for Gurley now loom in the NFC South. The Falcons cut Freeman after signing him to an ill-advised extension in the afterglow of two years spent with Kyle Shanahan. Gurley, of course, starred in college at Georgia. The Buccaneers have also struggled to get their running game going with Peyton Barber and Ronald Jones over the past two seasons; with Tom Brady now in the fold, Tampa Bay is an extremely interesting opportunity and a great fit for Gurley’s skillset. Even if the Bucs wouldn’t use Gurley as a bellcow runner, he could be valuable as a pass-catcher in Bruce Arians’ offense and as a pass-protecting back for Brady.

    And naturally, with so many running back extensions going catastrophically wrong, every team that has a back coming due for a deal is going to look at what happened with Gurley and wonder. The Steelers got lucky when Bell turned down their offers, and the Chargers have to feel the same way about Melvin Gordon, but there are plenty of backs to come. The Titans are weighing the same arguments right now about Derrick Henry, who is supposed to transcend the typical running back conundrum by virtue of his size and speed. Maybe he will, but is it worth writing an enormous check to find out?

    The 2017 draft class also delivered one of the most impressive collections of backs we’ve ever seen, and they’re all now eligible for extensions. My colleagues recently weighed in on whether the Panthers should trade Christian McCaffrey, but he’s not the only difficult decision to make. The shortlist of guys who have earned extensions with their play from that class includes McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara, James Conner, Marlon Mack, Aaron Jones and Chris Carson. Every one of those backs can rightfully say that they’ve earned a new deal, and at the same time, history tells us it would probably be foolish to pay most of them anything north of $8 million per season.

    I don’t envy those backs or the teams who have to make tough decisions about paying them or letting them leave. While my thoughts on the Rams’ decision at the time were clear in what I wrote in 2018 — and you can take issue with the specifics of the deal the Rams handed out — not people were critical of the decision to extend Gurley at the time. I can’t fault the Rams for wanting to keep Gurley around for as long as possible. Unfortunately for all parties involved, though, two years is a long time in the life of an NFL running back.

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    from https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/19/la-rams-todd-gurley-sean-mcvay-statement-release/

    “I would like to thank Todd for his many contributions to the Rams, on and off the field, since I have been here,” McVay said. “He has meant a lot to my growth as a coach and leader and he will always be remembered as one of the all-time great Rams. I wish him nothing but the best.”

    Snead, who was the GM when the Rams drafted Gurley five years ago, has always shared high praise and remarks for Gurley. That was the case in his statement, too.

    “When we drafted Todd in 2015, we knew he was going to be a one-of-a-kind talent that would create special moments on the football field for us,” Snead said. “Todd did this by becoming one of the greatest competitors in this league, but more than that, he served as a great teammate to his fellow players and ambassador for our organization, and those traits speak volumes to who he is as a human being.”

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    Rams Brothers@RamsBrothers
    Hard to stomach and on a personal level — it hurts to lose a player that you love.

    But, there were so many factors that led to Todd’s release: the knee, the egregious contract (in a time when RBs are devalued), competing in the best division in football & limited cap room.

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    If Gurley fails his physical with the Falcons, the Rams could still owe him $10.5 million.

    If Gurley fails the physical, he may be able to claim that the Rams owe him the $10.5 million in injury guarantees that would have become full guarantees if he hadn’t been released on Thursday.
    Gurley physical

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    Rich Hammond@Rich_Hammond
    I’ve got information, man. New (stuff) has come to light.

    If Todd Gurley makes at least $2.55 million with Atlanta in 2020, the Rams’ Gurley cap hit in 2021 will drop from $8.4 million to $5.85 million. No changes in 2020.

    he also technically has to “earn” that. If it’s full of incentives and he never gets to $2.55 million, then the Rams’ number goes back up, I believe.

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    Apparently this happened. Goff posted a farewell to Gurley on instagram and Gurley turned it into a poll to ask if Goff was lying. It was later deleted but some had already re-posted it.

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    Apparently this happened. Goff posted a farewell to Gurley on instagram and Gurley turned it into a poll to ask if Goff was lying. It was later deleted but some had already re-posted it.

    i saw that too. i don’t know what to make of it. maybe it’s just gurley ribbing goff? i don’t know. or is/was there bad blood between the two? too vague to tell.

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    Terrell Davis doubts Falcons RB Todd Gurley will return to form

    link https://clutchpoints.com/falcons-news-terrell-davis-doubts-todd-gurley-will-return-to-form/

    NFL Hall of Famer Terrell Davis doesn’t believe Atlanta Falcons running back Todd Gurley will return to his dominant form. In 2018, Gurley suffered a knee injury and hasn’t looked the same since. Davis told TMZ Sports he a similar knee issue in 1999 and it caused him to lose a permanent step in his career.

    This past offseason, the Los Angeles Rams cut Gurley over the decline in his play in the 2019 NFL campaign. His per-carry average went from 4.9 to 3.8 as he recorded a career-low 857 yards and 12 touchdowns.

    Gurley ended up signing with the Falcons, however, Davis is doubtful Gurley can return to the Pro Bowl running back as he once was.

    “They said he had an arthritic knee,” said Davis. “And, I said, ‘I’ve had that. I understand what it feels like.’”

    Davis also explained to TMZ Sports on what it feels like to have the same injury as Gurley.

    “What happens is you feel like your knee — like you have just enough swelling in your knee, just enough, to where it doesn’t stop you from running, but you don’t have the full flexibility or mobility and you just feel like you’re just a second slower,” Davis says. “When you think about making a cut, it’s like the signal from your brain to your knee is like, it just comes just a fraction of a second too slow where your knee doesn’t respond to it.”

    Nevertheless, Davis does hope that Gurley can prove everybody wrong again this upcoming season with the Falcons.

    “If he could come out of this one year and have the attitude that, ‘I want to prove everybody wrong’ — which I feel Todd will — he could have a really good year.”

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