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July 22, 2024 at 2:33 pm #151451InvaderRamModerator
i don’t know if this was posted already or where to put it, but i thought the beginning at least was pretty informative.
July 22, 2024 at 8:42 pm #151466znModeratorfrom 12 Teams That Could Actually Win Super Bowl LIX: https://www.si.com/nfl/nfl-super-bowl-59-contenders
9. Los Angeles Rams
Now that the Rams have two established receiver threats, Cooper Kupp and Puka Nacua, who are <u>an intimate part of every nook and cranny of their offense</u>, the sky is the limit. The reason? No other team has what the Rams have, so no other team can prepare for the Rams adequately enough. While Sean McVay’s staff was raided and gutted this offseason (again), those remaining and arriving in L.A. have a high ceiling for the 2024 season. The defense is most fascinating, with the injection of rookies Jared Verse and Braden Fiske to a unit that has been steadily hitting on mid-round picks to support Aaron Donald for the past two seasons. The result is a less star-studded but, potentially, more wholly functional unit for new coordinator Chris Shula.
July 22, 2024 at 8:42 pm #151467znModeratorfrom Ranking NFL team WR, TE, RB talent for 2024 season: Top players–https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/40519280/ranking-nfl-team-wr-te-rb-talent-2024-top-players-49ers-eagles-dolphins#LAR
9. Los Angeles Rams
2023 rank: 23 | 2022 rank: 7It helps when a team finds two of the most valuable contributors at their positions on Day 3 of the draft. Kyren Williams and Puka Nacua emerged as stars last season, accelerating Los Angeles’ offensive rebuild and helping create a path forward for a team that had been overly reliant on Cooper Kupp. When Kupp, Nacua and Williams all were on the field together, Matthew Stafford posted a 72.1 QBR. That would have been the third-best mark in football over the full season, within one point of leaders Brock Purdy and Dak Prescott.
I’m a little hesitant to push the Rams higher out of concerns surrounding two of those standouts. Kupp was on the way to repeating (or at least approximating) his stunning 2021 campaign during the first half of 2022, but he wasn’t on the same level after returning from his ankle injury. He averaged a whopping 3.2 yards per route run in 2021 and 2.5 in 2022, which would still be elite performance. He was down below 2.0 yards per route run last season, and while that’s still starting-caliber work, he is 31 and also missed time with a hamstring injury.
Williams is also an injury concern. After breaking his foot as a rookie, Williams was held back from OTAs with another foot issue. Coach Sean McVay said the injury is nothing to be concerned about, but McVay isn’t exactly known for being truthful about injuries, even as games are going on in real time. Williams has missed time in both of his seasons with ankle injuries. I’m hoping he plays 17 games in 2024, but that can’t be the expectation heading into camp.
There’s a big drop-off from that top three, at least on paper. Demarcus Robinson was fine as the third wideout in 2023, but the next wideout up would be Tutu Atwell. Rookie Blake Corum is the primary backup behind Williams. And at tight end, while the Rams signed Colby Parkinson to a surprisingly large deal in free agency, Tyler Higbee tore his ACL during the postseason and probably won’t be ready for Week 1. L.A. can be elite if everyone is on the field, but I’m a little nervous about that happening consistently.
July 22, 2024 at 8:42 pm #151468znModerator…
NFL offseason rankings: No. 14 Los Angeles Rams don’t have Aaron Donald, but they have a great coach in Sean McVay
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Other NFL team previews: 32. Panthers | 31. Patriots | 30. Broncos | 29. Commanders | 28. Giants | 27. Titans | 26. Raiders | 25. Cardinals | 24. Saints | 23. Chargers | 22. Vikings | 21. Seahawks | 20. Buccaneers | 19. Jaguars | 18. Falcons | 17. Colts | 16. Bears | 15. Steelers
The 2023 Los Angeles Rams season was a crucial one for the franchise, and not just because of the 10 wins the team surprisingly earned.
It was because their coach was back. For good this time.
Sean McVay is more honest than most football coaches, and he has talked about how tough the 2022 season was on him. The Rams followed a Super Bowl season by going 5-12. All the signs last offseason were that McVay was ready to leave the Rams, to take a break due to burnout or simply not wanting to be part of what looked like a rebuild.
McVay didn’t take long to decide to return. Then he did a fantastic job coaching a team that had plenty of questions going into the season.
The Rams weren’t rebuilding after all. They made the playoffs. A mostly young and unproven team, which included a shocking and record-breaking campaign from fifth-round rookie receiver Puka Nacua, had an exciting season. McVay reestablished himself as one of the best coaches of this era, and as he enters this season at age 38, he’s seemingly energized to take on whatever comes next.
“By no means am I perfect, but I’m a lot better off from that 2022 season where you’re saying like, ‘You’re actually thinking about not coaching anymore? What the hell is wrong with you?'” McVay said on former Rams defensive end Chris Long’s podcast, via Turf Show Times. “But those were real things because you lost your purpose and perspective in the midst of, you know, the good stuff occurring, and last year reminded me why I love this s*** so much, because of those players.”
It’s easy to pick up the excitement in McVay’s voice as he talks about the upcoming season.
“You know what’s cool? Being around this group, especially even last year, it feels like it’s Year 1 again. And I really mean that,” McVay told Rams play-by-play announcer J.B. Long and analyst D’Marco Farr. “You have to kick me out of here now. I feel like these last couple years there’s really just been a real renewed purpose and perspective that reminds you of what a blessing this is.”
Many deficiencies can be covered up with a great coach, and the Rams have that. The Rams had a down season in 2022, but those might be rare if McVay is recharged.
There’s a new challenge, and it’s replacing one of the greatest players in NFL history. Not many defensive players define a championship era for a franchise, but defensive tackle Aaron Donald was special. He has an argument as the best defensive player in NFL history. He retired after 10 NFL seasons. It’s impossible to replace him, but it’s probably best to not completely discount the Rams again.
NFL 2024 season – Los Angeles Rams team preview
Like McVay, Matthew Stafford looks rejuvenated coming off an excellent season at age 35. Kyren Williams scored 12 touchdowns as a true workhorse back, and rookie running back Blake Corum could mix in this season and be productive. Nacua had an unbelievable 105 catches for 1,486 yards, both of which are NFL rookie records, then followed that up with a rookie playoff record 181 yards in the Rams’ loss to the Detroit Lions. Cooper Kupp dealt with injuries but is still capable of big games. A young defense was better than expected, though coordinator Raheem Morris left to be the Atlanta Falcons’ new head coach. The Rams promoted linebackers coach Chris Shula to defensive coordinator, a job Shula has never held in the NFL.
The Rams made the playoffs and lost a close 24-23 wild-card game at the Lions, who are one of the favorites to win this season’s Super Bowl. That was a disappointing finish, but it didn’t stop McVay’s exuberance. A little more than a year ago, it seemed like a good bet that McVay was going to step away. The Rams don’t need to worry about their coach anymore. That makes the future plenty bright, even with Donald calling it a career.
Offseason grade
The Aaron Donald retirement has to be factored into the grade, because that obviously changes the entire Rams defense. The Rams used four of their first six draft picks on defensive linemen as they reset. Defensive end Jared Verse was the first-round pick. In the second, the Rams paid a lot to trade up and take defensive tackle Braden Fiske. Los Angeles traded a 2024 fifth-round pick and a 2025 second-round pick to move up from No. 52 to No. 39 for Fiske, which was a huge overpay. But the Rams have never worried about the value of picks. Running back Blake Corum was an interesting pick in the third round. He was wildly productive at Michigan and the Rams seem to love him already. In free agency the Rams worked on their offensive line, signing guard Jonah Jackson to a three-year, $51 million deal to leave the Lions, and re-signing guard Kevin Dotson on a three-year, $48 million extension. The Rams added other veterans like tight end Colby Parkinson, cornerbacks Darious Williams and Tre’Davious White, and safety Kamren Curl, and swapped backup quarterbacks by adding Jimmy Garoppolo and letting Carson Wentz leave. The big loss was Donald, but the rest of the offseason wasn’t too bad.
Grade: C-
Quarterback report
Matthew Stafford has 56,047 career passing yards, one of 15 5,000-yard seasons in NFL history and a Super Bowl ring. And yet, 2023 might have been his best season. Before last season Stafford looked like he was closer to retirement than his prime, as he dealt with numerous injuries in 2022, including concussions. Then he, like the Rams as a team, had a revival in 2023. Stafford had 3,965 yards and 24 touchdowns passing and while he has had better statistical seasons, the quality of his play was as good as ever. Stafford led the NFL with a big-time throw (a Pro Football Focus metric) on 6.3% of his attempts and a turnover-worthy play on just 1.9% of his attempts, which also led the league. Puka Nacua’s emergence helped, but Stafford deserves plenty of credit for Nacua’s record-setting season. In all ways, Stafford was excellent. He said being the leader of a young Rams roster was a “jolt of energy.”
“Man, it was fun,” Stafford said about the 2023 season after the Rams’ playoff loss, via the team’s site. “I had a blast. It was a heck of a challenge, but I got to sit there and push guys, but also watch guys come into their own in this league, and it’s not an easy thing to do. We got a lot of young guys and not only rookies, but guys who hadn’t played a lot of football, but stepped into big-time roles and became huge pieces of our team and stars in our league. So proud of those guys and happy to be a part of a team that has a group of guys like that. It takes everybody, right?”
BetMGM odds breakdown
The Rams had 10 wins last season but their win total at BetMGM for this season is 8.5. The over is the more popular side, with -155 odds (bet $155 to win $100). The Rams are slight underdogs to make the playoffs, with -130 odds on them missing the playoffs. The Rams’ Super Bowl odds of +3000 are tied for 14th with the Bears. So some regression is expected for the Rams, or perhaps losing Aaron Donald is being baked into the odds.
Yahoo’s fantasy take
From Yahoo’s Scott Pianowski: “Kyren Williams was fantasy royalty last year, finishing RB4 in cumulative scoring and RB2 if we switch to a per-game model. That established, the early Yahoo drafters have pushed Williams into the second round (ADP around 16), and that seems like a prudent move.
“Williams is undersized for the position, checking in at 5-foot-9 and 194 pounds. Sean McVay has a history of featuring one primary back, but he’s smart enough to work with his available talent. The Rams spent an early draft pick on Michigan tailback Blake Corum, who’s both thicker and faster than Williams. Chasing Williams’s monster stats from last season looks like a fool’s errand, especially when you consider that Williams has missed chunks of time in each of his two pro seasons.”
Stat to remember
One tangible reason to worry about Rams regression is their injury luck last season. In 2022 they dealt with numerous injuries and finished second in adjusted games lost due to injury (a metric by Aaron Schatz of FTN Fantasy). The pendulum swung the other way and last season the Rams were the healthiest team in the NFL, finishing with the fewest adjusted games lost due to injury. It went from 146.6 AGL in 2022 to 26.4 last season, which is an incredible shift and shows how injury luck often has no rhyme or reason. The Rams’ good fortune last season included the fourth-fewest injuries on offense and the fewest on defense. Just like the Rams’ miserable 2022 injury luck, the great run from last season is unlikely to repeat. Though, as Schatz pointed out, the Rams were in the top 10 in fewest AGL for six seasons in a row before 2022, so perhaps they have a formula that works. There’s a reason many coaches follow Sean McVay’s lead of sitting practically every key player for preseason games.
Burning question
Can Puka Nacua repeat his rookie success?
Just about every player on the list of greatest rookie seasons in NFL history was a first-round pick, or maybe a second. Nacua set NFL records after being a fifth-round pick. You can make the argument that Nacua had the greatest rookie season ever for a player drafted beyond the first round in the modern era. Or just the greatest rookie season, period. Nacua had 105 catches for 1,486 yards, which are rookie records. To put that in perspective, Randy Moss had 98 catches for 1,493 yards (Moss’ second-most yards in a season) for the famed 2007 Patriots, albeit in one fewer game. Nacua also had 181 yards in the Rams’ lone playoff game, the most ever for a rookie and validation of his incredible season. The NFL missing on Nacua until the Rams took him with the 177th pick could be an oft-told story if Nacua’s first season is a sign of things to come.
It’s hard to predict any player having a repeat of nearly 1,500 yards, but most of the recent receivers who had great rookie seasons either had more yards their second season (Justin Jefferson, Randy Moss, Odell Beckham, Jr., Michael Thomas among them), or remained elite receivers for multiple years even if their yardage dipped in Year 2 (Ja’Marr Chase, Anquan Boldin). The lesson is if you’re that good as a rookie receiver, you’re probably going to remain good. The cautionary tale would be Michael Clayton, who had 1,193 yards as a rookie for the 2004 Buccaneers but never topped more than 484 yards the rest of his career. With Sean McVay calling plays and Matthew Stafford throwing the ball, it seems unlikely that Nacua will dip far, if at all.
Best-case scenario
It would take a lot for the Rams to overcome the 49ers in the NFC West, including some key injuries for San Francisco. But a return to the playoffs is a reasonable goal. And the Rams came closer than we remember to knocking off the Lions in the playoffs, therefore a playoff run can’t be ruled out if Matthew Stafford plays like he did last season. The Rams offense will be dangerous if Puka Nacua plays anywhere near his rookie form, Cooper Kupp is healthy (his otherworldly 2021 season wasn’t that long ago) and the combination of Kyren Williams and Blake Corum keep the running game going. The Rams were a big surprise last season. It shouldn’t be a surprise at all if they’re a playoff team again, which would be good for a team that has a lot of young players.
Nightmare scenario
The Rams beat their expectations by a mile last season. What if all the worries about the roster from last year come true this season? The defense was OK but not great last season, and it lost coordinator Raheem Morris and all-world defensive tackle Aaron Donald. Matthew Stafford was very good last season but is getting to an age at which quarterbacks can lose it quickly. There has to be some concern about Cooper Kupp being on the downside of his career after he put up just 737 yards as he dealt with injuries. If the defense takes a big step back, the Rams might miss the playoffs. That would sting after such a fun 2023 season.
The crystal ball says …
When you’re unlikely to win a division title, which is the case with the Rams, it’s also hard to be confident in a playoff berth. The NFC has plenty of teams that will be in the wild-card race. The Rams will be in that mix too, but the main concern is the defense. Perhaps all of the rookies pay off and a young defensive line without Aaron Donald doesn’t slip that far (second-year tackle Kobie Turner in particular looked like a steal as a rookie), but Los Angeles’ defense ranked 22nd in DVOA last season with Donald, an all-time great player, and Raheem Morris, a respected coordinator. The Rams will be in plenty of shootouts, win a good deal of them and their playoff spot will be determined by whether other mid-level NFC teams like the Bears, Seahawks, Cardinals or any other sleeper takes a big step forward.
July 22, 2024 at 8:43 pm #151469znModeratorfrom NFL’s top 10 offenses in 2024
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-s-top-…rediction-don-t-sleep-on-packers-texans-colts
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Los Angeles RamsSIGNATURE STRENGTH: An elite coach-quarterback combo. The marriage between Sean McVay and Matthew Stafford immediately produced a seven-pound, 22-inch bundle of joy. But the Lombardi luster didn’t last long, as the Rams suffered an epic Super Bowl hangover in 2022, going 5-12 with Stafford missing eight games due to injury. Nobody gave Los Angeles much of a chance to compete entering last season, and when the Rams hit their Week 10 bye at 3-6, it did indeed appear to be another clunker campaign. Then Los Angeles ran off six wins in its next seven games to clinch a playoff berth, with Stafford quarterbacking at an extremely high level and second-year back Kyren Williams bursting on the scene as a perfect complement to balance out the offense. L.A. lost a nail-biter in Detroit on Super Wild Card Weekend, but don’t blame Stafford, who flambéed his former team for 367 yards and two touchdowns. This offseason, GM Les Snead beefed up the offensive line and then drafted RB Blake Corum, obviously looking to further support his 36-year-old quarterback with a more potent ground game. Smart thinking. In 15 NFL seasons, Stafford has only been supported by a top-20 rushing offense twice: the 2013 Lions ranked 17th and last year’s Rams finished 11th. Can you imagine what McVay and Stafford could accomplish with top-10 ground support? I can, which is why the Rams earned a top-five spot on this list.
WORRYING WEAKNESS: Is Cooper Kupp still elite? Puka Nacua was a revelation last season — the last pick of the fifth round set rookie receiving records for catches (105) and yards (1,486). But the Rams’ previous pass-catching dynamo suffered a second consecutive injury-abbreviated year. Kupp wasn’t bad, eclipsing 100 yards in four of his 12 games, but the game-to-game showing was a far cry from his 2021 Offensive Player of the Year campaign, when he achieved the rare receiving triple crown. With Kupp having just turned 31, we’re left to wonder if he’s in decline. Nacua’s rugged playing style leaves him susceptible to injury. Although he started all 18 games for Los Angeles last season, the 6-foot-2, 205-pounder missed time in college and the pre-draft process due to various ailments, partially explaining why he lasted until Pick No. 177. If the Rams’ new WR1 goes down, will their old WR1 be ready to spearhead the passing attack once again?
July 22, 2024 at 8:44 pm #151470znModeratorBut the Lombardi luster didn’t last long, as the Rams suffered an epic Super Bowl hangover in 2022,
A superbowl hangover? It’s as if some sports analysts simply cannot say the words “offensive line injuries.”
They sputter and flash red in the face and grimace, trying to get the words out.
“Offensive line innnnnnnnn…….innnnnnnnnnnn…innnnnnnn…jerrr…jerrr” pant pant pant deep breaths embarassed look.
So then after a bit they give up trying.
In 15 NFL seasons, Stafford has only been supported by a top-20 rushing offense twice: the 2013 Lions ranked 17th and last year’s Rams finished 11th.
July 22, 2024 at 8:46 pm #151477znModeratorAugust 1, 2024 at 1:43 pm #151573znModeratorThese guys discuss the Rams at 1:03:02 in.
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August 6, 2024 at 1:36 pm #151622InvaderRamModeratorstarts at 13:33. they talk about verse then mention curl as well.
August 20, 2024 at 1:12 am #151786znModeratorAugust 22, 2024 at 5:10 pm #151805znModeratorFrom Ranking all 32 NFL teams’ coaching staffs, coordinators in 2024: https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/40933411/ranking-all-32-nfl-coaching-staffs-best-worst-coaches-coordinators-2024#LAR
[Me: 1 & 2 are KC & Detroit]
3. Los Angeles Rams
Head coach: Sean McVay
Offensive coordinator: Mike LaFleur
Defensive coordinator: Chris ShulaMcVay’s Rams would make a strong case for a top-two slot if former defensive coordinator Raheem Morris were still around, but you could put Ben Solak in at defensive coordinator, and it’d be hard to drop the Rams much lower than No. 3.
McVay’s arc as the Rams’ coach has been eventful and illuminating. An offensive whiz kid who looked unstoppable until he crashed into Bill Belichick’s defense in Super Bowl LIII, he has gone through a self-documented evolution as a coach and as an individual. The L.A. offense has changed schematically, casting away the outside zone runs of yesteryear for a more physical, downhill approach. Quarterback Matthew Stafford has allowed McVay to get deep in his bag of shotgun passes, which McVay has done with aplomb. The system he runs now is not the system that got him hired and got him famous in the late 2010s.
That personal growth and emotional intelligence is a key factor when differentiating McVay from his contemporary, Kyle Shanahan. It’s a matter of inches, but I think Shanahan is the slightly better offensive mind — but McVay seems to get along better with his players and lets his personnel department work for him, which produces a better team overall. It’s not fair to say Stafford chose Los Angeles over San Francisco because he favored McVay over Shanahan, but the fact of the matter is McVay got Stafford into the building and has the hardware to show for it.
The keys of the defense now belong to Shula, McVay’s teammate from his Miami (Ohio) college days. I am always suspicious of hires with a nepotistic tint, but McVay hired Shula the year he became the Rams’ coach, and Shula has spent seven seasons working his way up to this role. It was not handed to him for free — in fact, he’s McVay’s first ever internal promotion to a coordinator position (along with LaFleur). Shula’s time under Wade Phillips, Brandon Staley and Morris gives him a wide range of influences, and I’m fascinated to see what the Rams’ defensive identity becomes under him (without Aaron Donald on the field).
August 23, 2024 at 3:01 am #151810znModeratorThey do the Ram at 1:27 in.
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August 25, 2024 at 7:00 pm #151865znModeratorSeptember 4, 2024 at 11:58 pm #152069znModeratorHe does the Rams at 1:28 in.
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