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May 19, 2021 at 1:16 pm #129987znModerator
Right now I am going to the assume the OL is fine in 2021. It was fairly solid last year but a bit inconsistent, since they got dominated in a few games. Maybe they are more consistent this year. They are certainly somewhat bigger. Word is they are going to work more power running into the mix and not rely as heavily on zone blocking.
The 2021 line is
Whitworth
Edwards
Corbett
Evans
Havensteindepth:
Noteboom (LOT)
Anchrum (OG/OT)
Brewer (OG/OT)I actually think Corbett will be fine at center. The guy I worry about is Evans–he can run block but needs to step up in the pass blocking dept. Brewer and Anchrum get good buzz. Noteboom has shown he can fill in, though his run blocking needs to improve.
The problems are in the future. Here’s Rodrigue on that:
The reality is — and prepare to clench up — adding along the offensive line was not a priority for the Rams in this draft … not even in preparation for a future in which three currently rostered players (Joe Noteboom, Corbett and Allen) are unrestricted free agents in 2022, Whitworth has an “out” in his contract after 2021 (he and Havenstein are free agents in 2023, as are Evans and Edwards — and those contracts could come due a year early depending on their playing time in 2021).
Whitworth – 41 in 2022 & then a FA in 2023…could be gone after 2021
Edwards – UFA in 2023 … could become a FA after 2021
Corbett – UFA in 2022
Evans – UFA in 2023 … could become a FA after 2021
Hav – UFA in 2023Noteboom – UFA in 2022
Brewer – ERFA in 2022
Anchrum – UFA in 2023That’s a lot of either turnover or expensive signings or both in 2022 and 2023.
The thing about LOT is, they are harder to find. Seldom do college OTs picked after round 1 make it as LOTs in the NFL; there are seldom any in free agency (you certainly don’t count on it), and recent trades for LOTs have been expensive. (They could trade up into round 1 in 2022 to get one.) So it’s not just that a lot of guys will be either gone or expensive to sign, it’s all a bit trickier because compounding it all is the fact starting quality LOTs are so hard to find. Maybe Noteboom comes through and becomes a more complete LOT, but even then they would still have to sign him.
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May 19, 2021 at 1:30 pm #129989AgamemnonParticipantMay 19, 2021 at 5:36 pm #129994znModeratorI wonder, why did Kromer quit.
I don’t even think it’s entirely clear he quit, per se. Sounded mutual, which means it could be a firing in part.
May 24, 2021 at 10:53 am #130081znModeratorBig Whit at 15. Bigger concern is age and transition plan. https://t.co/kQKH56MWpc
— BTHRams (@BTH_Rams) May 24, 2021
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15. ANDREW WHITWORTH, LOS ANGELES RAMS
After tearing his MCL during the 2020 season — and making a return in the postseason just a few months later — the 39-year-old Andrew Whitworth is coming back for Year 17 in 2021.Whitworth was one of the five highest-graded tackles in the NFL through the first 10 weeks of the season after allowing just six total hurries and no sacks or hits in nine games. It was his 12th straight season in which he produced a top-10 pass-block grade among tackles.
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27. ROB HAVENSTEIN, LOS ANGELES RAMS
Havenstein is an interesting case study. He broke out in 2018, his fourth NFL season, as the league’s highest-graded right tackle, completely fell apart in a 2019 season the ended up being cut short due to injury (fourth-to-last among RTs in PFF grade) and then bounced back to his old form in 2020 (seventh among RTs in PFF grade). His lowest-graded game of 2020 would have been his third-highest-graded performance of 2019. The moral of the story is: Havenstein could be 10 spots higher or lower on this by the end of 2021.May 24, 2021 at 10:56 am #130082znModeratorAustin Corbett: Top 20 guard *and* center in the NFL? Pro Football Focus says yes. https://t.co/IMiVtTbYpw
— Cameron DaSilva (@camdasilva) May 24, 2021
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Whether at center or guard, Corbett will be a starter. And in Pro Football Focus’ opinion, he’ll be one of the better players at either position. Corbett was ranked as the 19th-best center in the NFL by PFF’s Ben Linsey, as well as the 20th-best guard by Sam Monson.Here’s what Linsey wrote about Corbett’s projection as a starting center for the Rams.
Corbett is another player expected to slide over from guard to center in 2021, where he’ll likely replace Austin Blythe. He has started there with the first team at OTAs. Center is where Corbett began his career in Cleveland, but he has split time over the past two seasons in Los Angeles as a starter at both left guard (2019) and right guard (2020). He’s coming off a career year this past season for the Rams, boosted by a 76.4 run-blocking grade.
May 24, 2021 at 2:59 pm #130084ZooeyModeratorUm…
19th best center is middle-of-the-pack. Slightly below average.
20th best guard is a respectable ranking.
It may well be that he is a better center than that, but that isn’t a ranking to cheer about exactly.
May 24, 2021 at 4:16 pm #130085znModeratorUm…
19th best center is middle-of-the-pack. Slightly below average.
20th best guard is a respectable ranking.
It may well be that he is a better center than that, but that isn’t a ranking to cheer about exactly.
Yeah.
My bet btw is that Corbett will be better than that ranking (a ranking which frankly is not based on anything). I have nothing more to base my belief in Corbett on other than his character and leadership qualities. It’s a hunch on my part.
The guy I have doubts about is Evans, but then, if he doesn’t come through, it looks like there is depth behind him (Anchrum and Brewer, who also get very good buzz for good reasons).
There you have it. A hefty 2 cents from the Golden Prognosticator. 😎
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May 24, 2021 at 5:18 pm #130086ZooeyModeratorMy bet btw is that Corbett will be better than that ranking (a ranking which frankly is not based on anything). I have nothing more to base my belief in Corbett on other than his character and leadership qualities. It’s a hunch on my part.
The guy I have doubts about is Evans, but then, if he doesn’t come through, it looks like there is depth behind him (Anchrum and Brewer, who also get very good buzz for good reasons).
I have the same sense about it. And apart from LOT, they are managing to fill the line with guys they get somewhere other than the first round. I’m not worried about it if they aren’t worried about it. They will draft 3 guys next year, and pick up another 2 or 3, and some of those guys will be groomed for the future.
I was going to add in an Edit to my post above – but the site crashed for the duration of the Edit window – that Corbett isn’t even necessarily the starter at Center. He looks like the guy right now, but September is not here yet, and so we will see.
I think expectations are high this year. I am very much looking forward to seeing the Rams with Stafford. Some people say he isn’t any different from Goff, and some people think he’s a big upgrade. I think he will be more effective than Goff (which is different from “better”). It’s going to be a fun year if everyone’s joints remain in working order all season.
May 24, 2021 at 5:48 pm #130087HramParticipant20th is a top 1/3rd guard, but I think it is a stretch to project him as a top 1/3rd center when he hasn’t yet played the position.
May 24, 2021 at 5:57 pm #130088HramParticipantI meant even top 2/3rds at center.
Here’s hoping!
May 24, 2021 at 6:37 pm #130092znModeratorI am very much looking forward to seeing the Rams with Stafford. Some people say he isn’t any different from Goff, and some people think he’s a big upgrade. I think he will be more effective than Goff (which is different from “better”). It’s going to be a fun year if everyone’s joints remain in working order all season.
He’s a heady 13 year vet with a lot of physical talent still.
The Rams will be good for him because they have a running game and a defense that is ranked better than 32nd.
He will be good for the Rams not only because he has a very strong “been there, seen it all” quality to his game, but also because (IMO) McVay will learn some things from him and be better for it.
He’s potentially better than any qb we’ve seen with the Rams, maybe even including Warner (he has a stronger arm and better movement skills than Kurt). ‘
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May 24, 2021 at 6:55 pm #130095ZooeyModeratorHe’s potentially better than any qb we’ve seen with the Rams, maybe even including Warner (he has a stronger arm and better movement skills than Kurt). ‘
Don’t forget that Warner had the luxury of playing during the Chris Massey Era.
May 24, 2021 at 7:50 pm #130096znModeratorHe’s potentially better than any qb we’ve seen with the Rams, maybe even including Warner (he has a stronger arm and better movement skills than Kurt). ‘
Don’t forget that Warner had the luxury of playing during the Chris Massey Era.
If Massey had worn the glove, he would be the hero many of you make him out to be.
Though I admit it was an act of genius to get him from the Colts for just a 2nd round pick.
May 27, 2021 at 3:27 pm #130149znModeratorJourdan Rodrigue@JourdanRodrigue
Interesting: Coleman Shelton taking 2s snaps at C with John Wolford; Noteboom at LT and second-year OL Anchrum at RT. Allen taking 3s so far. Depth here will be interesting to monitor.May 28, 2021 at 10:51 pm #130174znModeratorCorbett has been taking first-team reps at center during OTAs and McVay had some encouraging things to say about him Thursday.
“Austin is somebody that we’re excited to see how he handles some of the things that really require some extra communication. He’s done a good job with that,” McVay said, via the Los Angeles Daily News. “I think he and Matthew have established a nice rapport together.”
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Bobby Evans was also taking first-team reps at right guard in practice, which indicates he could be the favorite to start there.
“I think the overall athleticism that Bobby has enables him to be able to play outside (at tackle) with his length and his size, but then he’s got the quickness when things happen a little bit faster on the interior parts of the line, (and he’s) a really smart player,” McVay said.
May 29, 2021 at 1:41 pm #130175InvaderRamModeratori feel confident about this oline. for this year only. and then. i don’t know.
even if evans doesn’t cut the mustard, i bet that there’s at least one olineman capable of taking over for him.
but next year and beyond? hmmm… it could get ugly.
June 2, 2021 at 12:36 pm #130251znModeratorfrom https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/la-rams-matthew-stafford-airs-it-out-at-otas
Austin Corbett playing center
After letting Austin Blythe sign with the Kansas City Chiefs in free agency and passing on selecting a potential starter in the draft, McVay finally revealed his hand during OTA’s.
Austin Corbett, last year’s starting right guard for the Rams, worked with the starters at center. Across the line for the first group: LT – Andrew Whitworgh, LG – David Edwards, C – Corbett, RG Bobby Evans, RT Rob Havenstein.
“We’re continuing to evaluate,” McVay said. “When you just talk about Austin in particular, what was so impressive to me when you look at it from afar, here is a guy that comes in from Cleveland a couple years ago and on short notice ends up starting at left guard.
“Then you get a chance to get some experience there and played really good football, got better as the 2019 season progressed and as he got more experience under his belt. Then you come back last year and he plays really well at the right guard position. He had a lot of snaps that he played center for Cleveland in the preseason a couple years ago. He’s a guy that can play on the left or the right side. He’s an extremely smart player. He’s got a good feel for the game, so we’re looking at that. We know he can be an elite guard in this league, so that center-quarterback relationship is really important.”
McVay went on to say that Brian Allen appears healthy and give the Rams another option at center, along with Coleman Shelton. But it appears to be Corbett’s job to lose — for now.
“You’ve got Brian Allen, who has started games and he feels like he’s healthy,” McVay said. “I’m really pleased with his progression. And then Coleman Shelton is another player who going back to last year even, he was playing really well in camp, and he kind of had a little ankle injury that set him back.
“So, those are three guys that we’re looking at, at the center spot. But Austin is somebody that we’re excited about kind of seeing how handles some of the things that really requires some extra communication. The above the neck, as you guys like to laugh at when I say it.”
It appears that part of the reasoning for moving Corbett to center was clearing a spot to get Bobby Evans on the field. Evans got a spot start at left guard during the playoffs last season when David Edwards was on the field.
McVay said Evans overall length and athleticism allows him to play outside, but he has the quickness and smarts to play inside where things happen faster. McVay also likes his energy on game day and the fact that game is not too big for him, that he responds well in big games.
“Bobby is a guy that we do think has the ability to be a very good starting player for us,” McVay said. “And he’s shown that, both at the guard and the tackle position.”
June 7, 2021 at 12:05 pm #130337znModeratorfrom PFF: Ranking all 32 NFL offensive line units ahead of the 2021 season
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-line-units-entering-2021-season8. LOS ANGELES RAMS
Last year at this time, we were trying to figure out how the Rams’ offensive line fell so flat in 2019. Regardless, the unit rectified things in 2020 and finished third in PFF’s final rankings.
Left tackle Andrew Whitworth is still going strong, even at 39 years old heading into the 2021 season. He graded out at 86.8 last season, the sixth-best mark in the NFL, though he did miss seven weeks of action and struggled in the playoff loss to the Packers. Whitworth is one of the best tackles of his generation, still performing at a high level when many of his peers have been retired for years.
Right tackle Rob Havenstein enjoyed a bounceback 2020 after an uncharacteristically poor 2019. His 80.6 overall grade tied for 14th, which is more in line with his 83.3 mark that was posted in 2018. It’s his 50.9 grade in 2019 that is the outlier at this point.
David Edwards had a strong second season at left guard, grading out at 70.5 overall — 18th-best among guards. Right guard Austin Corbett experienced the classic third-year breakout en route to a 73.4 overall grade that ranked 11th in the league. He still has room to improve in pass protection, where his 61.5 grade ranked just 43rd.
Brian Allen returns as the starting center. We last saw him in 2019 when he graded out at just 58.6 overall, including a 45.4 grade in pass protection. He’s replacing the departed Austin Blythe, who was solid in 2020.
The Rams have the pieces to rank as one of the league’s best offensive lines as long as they stay healthy.
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June 7, 2021 at 12:09 pm #130339znModeratorBrian Allen returns as the starting center.
Somebody didn’t do their homework.
This article is dated June 7. But it ain’t up to date.
July 12, 2021 at 9:17 am #130850znModeratorThe Rams are making a high-stakes bet along the offensive line this year, in more ways than one position switch. Plus, a “prediction” about your backup alignment. Preview series continues this week: https://t.co/fT1OniSkPP
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) July 12, 2021
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Rams position preview: OL betting on position switch at center and big year from Andrew Whitworth
Jourdan Rodrigue
The Los Angeles Rams’ rookies and quarterbacks report to training camp on July 25, and the veteran players arrive shortly afterward. In the weeks leading up to the return of football — and a “normal” preseason, we’re taking a position-by-position look at the team, so we can tide you over with football tidbits until we get there. Previously, we talked about quarterbacks. Today, we’re talking about the Rams’ offensive line.
If the Rams’ offseason bet on quarterback Matthew Stafford gets all the flash and headlines, the one they made on their offensive line entering 2021 might quietly be just as important. With one position change — moving former right guard Austin Corbett to center — they have created two questions, in Corbett and in Bobby Evans, who is slated to take over Corbett’s old spot.
They also have a new offensive line coach in Kevin Carberry, who previously held the same role at Stanford. Head coach Sean McVay has been blending more power concepts with his trademark outside zone scheme for the past couple of years, and in part that has meant shifting the physical prototype of his interior offensive linemen to be a little more stout, and have a little bit more downhill strength, as opposed to the lighter-framed and perhaps quicker guys previously in the position. Between that — seeing his role lose its long-term sustainability — and a low offer from the Rams last spring, former starter Austin Blythe actually took an even lower offer from Kansas City in free agency, setting up the position shift before a training camp competition could have potentially happened.
The Rams clearly had decided to go all-in on their offensive line bet with Corbett in the early spring because despite a lauded 2021 draft class of interior offensive linemen, they didn’t draft one. While Corbett, who was a really solid right guard, could be the answer at center despite never playing a snap at the position in a Rams jersey, the simple fact is that we just don’t know whether this move will work or not — and without a draft pick developing in-house, there’s not a huge range of viable options as a contingency plan.
Additions: (wind whistles through the trees)
In all seriousness, the Rams did add a couple of undrafted free agents, tackle Alaric Jackson and guard/center Jordan Meredith, as well as International Pathways Program player Max Pircher, who is learning the tackle position. These players aren’t likely to make an impact in their rookie season, however, since they’re in need of some development.
Subtractions: Austin Blythe (center)
Projected starters (not reflective of a 53-man cutdown): Andrew Whitworth (LT), David Edwards (LG), Austin Corbett (C), Bobby Evans (RG), Rob Havenstein (RT)
One neat detail, and probably a pretty important one, was that all of the offensive linemen — yes, even the grizzled veterans — were present through the voluntary portions of the spring workouts. This was a good head start that the Rams didn’t have last season (granted, they weren’t featuring new names at two positions) because they will need to build as much continuity as possible and develop an innate sense for how Stafford operates and communicates behind them.
Projected backups (in order, and not reflective of a 53-man cutdown): Joe Noteboom (LT), Chandler Brewer (LG), Brian Allen (C)/Coleman Shelton (C), Jamil Demby (RG)/Allen (RG), Tremayne Anchrum (RT)
I’m not a total downer — I do think that the Rams’ starting offensive line, on paper, has a ton of potential. But the big concern is a lack of trusted depth at a couple of positions, and particularly at center — where Allen spent the entirety of last season rehabilitating a serious leg injury (plus is more in the mold of the centers McVay and the Rams previously slated for the role, versus their new schematic direction), and Shelton has no meaningful experience.
When I advocated for the Rams to draft a center, that player certainly was unlikely to start in his first season (it’s a hard job!) — but could have been good depth, and an heir to the position should the Corbett experiment not work out.
2021 outlook: If this offensive line can stay healthy, there is a lot of upside here because of the general continuity between players (outside of the position change). But it all predicates on the invaluable reps Corbett gets with Stafford in training camp, when the Rams are actually practicing against guys in pads (and Aaron Donald arrives on the scene). The spotlight won’t just be on them in pass protection, either — the Rams’ offensive line was consistently solid in its run-blocking last season, and will welcome back second-year running back Cam Akers into the lead role.
Long-term outlook: Whitworth will turn 40 during the 2021 season, which is simply … remarkable. Even after the knee injury that sidelined him for eight games last season, there’s no reason to think that Whitworth’s excellent play will slip. But it bears repeating that he has an “out” in his contract after this season and has recently remarked on former Rams defensive end Chris Long’s “Green Light” podcast that this season could be his last (the caveat being that he’s felt that way for the past seven years or so, but kept playing).
“I was like, if I get through this, I want to try to play until 40,” Whitworth said while discussing a 2013 knee injury with Long. “And that was just like — I didn’t think that was realistic or that it’d ever happen. But I was like, I want to try to do that.
“So this year, to me, it feels like this is it. This is like, I’ve put everything into trying to play this season and play at the level I want to. I feel like this will probably be the end, but I mean, all my closest friends would tell you that I’ve said that for about seven straight years. So I don’t know how believable that is, but it feels like it is.”
The Rams could entrust Noteboom with taking over once the AW era begins (“After Whitworth”), but they face a bit of a complication there, too — he’s in the last year of his contract. If he’s slated for that role in the future, he and his agent have all of the leverage — and good left tackles are hard to draft with no first-round picks, or to find in free agency, as the Rams have known very well since the year they, well, signed Whitworth.
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