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January 19, 2023 at 10:03 pm #142668znModerator
The Rams are an adventure every offseason. If I’m translating Les Snead correctly, this one will be no different: https://t.co/zh8gEP0CON
— Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue) January 20, 2023
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Rams GM Les Snead: ‘All things are in play’ this offseason, more takeaways
Rams general manager Les Snead spoke with Los Angeles reporters for the first time since the team’s disastrous 5-12 season ended — and since head coach Sean McVay, with whom Snead is partnered with contractually through 2026, decided to return in 2023.
“These conversations have gone on (even before) last season,” said Snead of McVay’s fast-paced last eight years in which he went from position coach and coordinator to Rams head coach, appeared in two Super Bowls and won one. “I’ve often said … the guy has been basically running an 800-meter sprint every week since he got our job, and probably had been running an 800-meter sprint as an offensive coordinator for the two previous seasons in Washington.
“Over time, like at some point a hamstring is gonna get tight, a hamstring is gonna get pulled. And you’re not gonna be able to do it.”
Snead spoke candidly — or, as candidly as he could, with some facets of what he referred to as a “remodel” for the team still in planning and discussion phases — about the Rams’ future on Thursday. Here are my major takeaways:
‘All things are in play’ — including potential movement of star players
The Rams contractually aligned many of their star players (along with Snead and McVay) last offseason: Cooper Kupp, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Donald and Rob Havenstein. To that “core” they added inside linebacker Bobby Wagner and attached all of the former contracts to the same or similar time parameters as Jalen Ramsey’s deal, which has remained untouched. The big question facing the team this offseason: Can the Rams keep everybody together? Do they want to?
Stafford has publicly committed to the Rams in 2023 and, a person with knowledge of the matter said, has passed his exit physical en route to a contract option pickup in the coming season. Donald, who caused Twitter to briefly erupt in flames Sunday with an error in his bio that described him as a “former” Rams defensive lineman, since fixed that phrasing and also (in a rare move) posted that he was playing in 2023. Both players would owe the organization tens of millions of dollars if they retired now, and both players have previously expressed their commitment to McVay. Because Ramsey’s contract hasn’t been re-done, he will almost certainly draw inquiries from other teams. All of these core players are also team captains.
Snead said that the Rams have not formally sat down yet with players, and that the conversations (including with their “stars”) will happen over the next few weeks.
“It’s that time of year to put some blueprints on paper, figure out what is next and those types of conversations will definitely be coming,” he said. McVay sits down with individual players to discuss their present and future plans, said Snead, and if the player has more questions Snead and chief operating officer Kevin Demoff get involved.
But Snead was not committal either way about retaining the totality of that core when I asked him directly about it.
“That’s what we’ve got to figure out over the next few weeks, few months,” he said. “Not going to get into the specifics of each of those players, because every year since we’ve been here there have been moments where we’ve had to say goodbye to key contributors, players that were very impactful and helped the Rams be successful.
“Sometimes, there’s a positive to that. There have been players that have been on their rookie contracts and they’ve moved on (to) greener pastures in terms of finances or financial stability. There have been moments where, based on the cap system and what we’ve done, we’ve had to be intentional about trading different players and saying those goodbyes. That’s the toughest part of the business. … This is not the time and place to communicate either good or bad news, per se.”
Rams expect double-digit draft picks
Once the compensatory formula is factored in, Snead said that the Rams believe they’ll have 10 draft picks this spring. Obviously, these are in the second round and later.
“I always think you want to use (picks) as capital in more ways than one,” Snead said. “What we’ve been able to do — if our starting lineups were very competent, as a collective, we’ve been able to use those later-round picks, Day 3 picks, as relatively competent depth players (who) could come in and partner with those starters when necessary.”
About that offensive line …
The Rams barely saw what their starting offensive line could have looked like through a full season, because of a catastrophic (and nearly historic) streak of injuries that forced them into three, four and even five deep at every position except right tackle. Still, some young players emerged with the potential to take on bigger roles: Alaric Jackson played well at right guard and then stood out for the positive at left tackle, while Coleman Shelton seems to have found a home at center if not at guard.
Changes for this group are inevitable but I don’t expect a major position-by-position overhaul, in part because the Rams liked what they saw from young depth players and in part because of others’ healing from injury. Snead indicated that the team is in no way firmly set on a specific path here just yet — and it’s likely that a new offensive line coach will have significant say in evaluations.
“There are gonna be a certain number of players that come back, and they’re on their rookie contracts,” Snead said. “There would be no reason to move on from those players. There may be chances to add players from the draft, things like that, from the outside. At that point, you get people healthy, you assess along the way. Collectively, try to play better as a unit. Sometimes that’s an individual change, sometimes that’s the collective getting wiser, more experienced, evolving.”
Rams overhaul coaching staff with 8 departures
Snead, Rams don’t believe they’re in a ‘rebuild’
Snead was pretty intentional about using the word “remodel” on Thursday, and objectively speaking, if the team can keep its core of veterans together for maybe one last ride, a full-scale rebuild probably wouldn’t be in the immediate plans.
“I would think, with the way our roster is made up right now, it would be tough to say a ‘rebuild,’” Snead said. “We’d almost have to somewhat tear it down to rebuild, because we do have a lot of really good players in their prime on this roster. … A lot of times, when you’re successful and winning more games than losing, there’s an element of ‘OK, that’s a window, maybe, to press the gas.’”
That Snead also reiterated through the course of the call a key component of their team-building philosophy — drafting players who complement their star core and so can play bigger roles on cheap rookie deals — also was telling that the Rams aren’t ready to blow this thing up quite yet. Still, the discussions they will have about and with those core players will also define what they can and cannot do within the parameters of their ecosystem this spring.
“Every year is different, every year there is an element of a remodel, tweaks,” Snead said. “We’re very well aware that some of our core players are in their primes, and getting closer to twilight of their primes. But that does not mean, when you’re a player like that in your prime, that you’re not still very productive (and) successful in this league. So, we’ll have that balance of trying to navigate those waters — still be very competitive in the micro and then also realizing from the macro standpoint there is going to be an element where we’re probably going to have to … not press the gas as much, pay a little bit of the debt that we’ve accumulated. … But we’ve been able to be competitive (while) paying some of that.”
January 20, 2023 at 12:04 am #142672znModeratorWhy Rams general manager Les Snead is saying remodel instead of rebuild
GARY KLEIN
Les Snead celebrated his 52nd birthday Thursday, but the Rams general manager already had received an early present when coach Sean McVay last week informed team officials he would return next season.
So, Snead is moving ahead unencumbered as the Rams attempt to bounce back from their lost season.
A year after winning Super Bowl LVI at SoFi Stadium, the Rams finished 5-12, the worst season-after performance by a champion in NFL history.
During a videoconference with reporters, Snead said, “We did not meet our standard” and several times described his 2023 mission as a “remodel” rather than a rebuild for a team that features highly-paid stars such as quarterback Matthew Stafford, receiver Cooper Kupp, defensive lineman Aaron Donald and cornerback Jalen Ramsey.
Snead, the Rams’ general manager since 2012, declined to specify which players could be re-signed, released or dangled as potential trade pieces for a team that will be without a first-round draft pick for the seventh year in row.
“All things are in play, he said.
Some takeaways from the media briefing:
Sigh of relief: For the second year in a row, McVay publicly pondered stepping away from coaching for a team that in 2017 made the then 30-year-old the youngest coach in modern NFL history.
Snead was not surprised.
“The guy’s been basically running an 800-meter sprint every week since he got our job,” Snead said, adding, “Over time, like at some point, you know a hamstring is going to get tight, a hamstring is going to get pulled and you’re not going to be able to do it.”
The Rams were prepared if McVay had opted to step away, Snead said.
“It was more we were talking conceptually about how to evolve our, let’s call it, daily, monthly, annual rhythms to make this a sustainable outfit,” Snead said.
Snead and the Rams can now rest easy … until the end of next season, when McVay almost certainly will revisit taking a break.
About that remodel: The Rams built their Super Bowl roster by trading multiple first-round picks for Ramsey and Stafford and second- and third-round picks for edge rusher Von Miller, who signed with the Buffalo Bills after last season.
And they did it while navigating huge dead money hits for the release of players such as running back Todd Gurley III and the trade that sent quarterback Jared Goff to the Detroit Lions for Stafford.
Now they are at a crossroads.
“We’re probably going to have to, let’s call it, not press the gas as much and pay a little bit of the debt that we’ve accumulated,” Snead said.
The Rams paid a price this season as players counted on to play key roles suffered injuries or underperformed.
The Rams still have a top-heavy roster but remain in need of top-tier offensive linemen, an edge rusher, an effective complement for Kupp and depth in the secondary.
Snead did not sound as if he were ready to tear apart the roster and start over.
“We’re very well aware that some of our core players, right, are in their primes and are getting closer to the twilight of their primes,” he said. “But that does not mean, right, when you’re a player like that in your prime that you’re still not very productive and can be very successful.”
Stars are aligned — for now: Stafford, Kupp and Donald, all of whom received extensions or a massive raise after the Super Bowl victory, did not play in the latter part of the 2021 season because of season-ending injuries.
Ramsey did not receive an extension but played in every game.
Right tackle Rob Havenstein signed an extension before the season, and veteran linebacker Bobby Wagner proved a worthwhile investment.
Can the Rams retain the entirety of their core?
Snead declined to say.
“Every year since we’ve been here,” he said, “there’s been moments where we’ve had to say goodbye to key contributors.”
On second thought: At a victory rally last February, Snead famously yelled to an adoring crowd, “F them picks. We’ll use them to go win more Super Bowls.”
Snead was referencing the multiple high-round picks the Rams traded to acquire star players.
“I will admit that any time you probably say something like that … you’re going to eat those words at some point in time,” Snead said Thursday, adding that he was having fun with a play off a popular meme. “If we truly believed in effing them picks in that sense of the word, we’d just give them to our division opponents …
“But we’ve definitely taken the draft serious. We think it’s really the heartbeat, right, of the franchise.”
Snead said he made a “subliminal slip” at the rally.
“I truly intended to say, ‘We effed these picks to win Los Angeles a Super Bowl championship,’” Snead said. “So, I always knew I was going to eat those words at some point.”
Feeling a draft: Because of their historically poor finish this season, the Rams would have owned the sixth pick in the April draft but that belongs to the Lions as part of the Goff-Stafford trade.
With compensation picks for the departure of free agents, Snead projects the Rams will have 10 picks.
But the Rams will not make their first pick until the second round. They also have a third-round pick but the majority fall in the sixth and seventh rounds.
Snead declined to say whether the Rams would give Ramsey an extension or trade him to acquire draft capital. But he is obviously looking forward to 2024 when the Rams finally will have a first-round pick.
“Getting back to having some first-rounders, getting back to having second- and third-rounders will be advantageous,” he said. “Where we’re at, probably from a roster standpoint, that will be healthy for us to add younger players, players on their rookie contracts that are going to become cogs. …
“We’re going to call this chapter 3 of the Sean McVay era.”
January 22, 2023 at 8:34 am #142690InvaderRamModeratorjust a random thought. hope the rams could sign mike gesicki. athletic freak. they could use him more like a receiver in their 3 wr sets. don’t know how they’d make it work cap wise or even if his skill set would fit in this offense. but i just feel there’s so much potential there still.
January 22, 2023 at 12:09 pm #142692wvParticipantJust my opinion, but i think the WR group in general except for Kupp is mediocre.
I dunno if they can upgrade, but Kupp needs some help.
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January 22, 2023 at 2:05 pm #142693InvaderRamModeratorI dunno if they can upgrade, but Kupp needs some help.
well there’s obj and juju. but i think gesicki could be an exceptional receiving te. not a traditional wr but maybe could take attention away from kupp.
January 23, 2023 at 10:01 am #142704ZooeyModeratorJust my opinion, but i think the WR group in general except for Kupp is mediocre. I dunno if they can upgrade, but Kupp needs some help. w v
Too bad they don’t have a guy like Robert Woods.
I dunno. I still have hope for Robinson, though I didn’t see many games this year, but just based on the stuff I read around the trade. But Jefferson must be near the end of his deal, and he’s not ever headed to the Pro Bowl. The Rams do need another WR, seems to me. And another edge player, and secondary help.
And another long-snapper, so help me god.
January 23, 2023 at 10:29 am #142705znModeratorThe Rams do need another WR, seems to me. And another edge player, and secondary help.
Skow was showing some signs and Jefferson is a decent #3. I too think they have to figure out how to use Robinson, and that includes Stafford and Robinson getting in sync. I will never believe Atwell was worth a 2nd rounder but still, they are figuring out how to use him. But yes they could use another WR, a guy with enough to count as a real #2.
Yes they could use edge, secondary, and I would add OL. They have a lot of OL returning but the wise approach is to add more and then sort out what they have.
They have a lot of day 3 picks. The Snead/McV Rams have done well with those, actually–far better than any single previous Rams regime. But still you only get at best about 2 players a year for day 3 picks, and that’s if you’re good.
2024 however, they not only have a 1 and a 2, they also have multiple scenarios that could land them additional 3rd rounders. Oddly, the Rams are better in round 3 overall than in round 2.
January 23, 2023 at 11:33 am #142706ZooeyModeratorThey have a lot of day 3 picks
Yeah. 10 picks is good. I would expect OL and secondary, maybe a TE in there. But, like you, I think the OL is in pretty good shape.
I’ll bet they take another RB, too.
January 23, 2023 at 12:25 pm #142708Billy_TParticipantGesicki would be a great pickup for the Rams. A freakish athlete, I’d bet if he were playing for KC or SF, he’d outplay Kelce and Kittle. He’s a much, much better athlete, and was basically designed in a lab to be a TE. He’s just been woefully under-utilized in Miami.
I’d also like to see the Rams upgrade their O-line. IMO, they need to think about it like they think about their core guys — AD, Kupp, Ramsey, and Stafford. Stacking it with good to great players means Kupp and Stafford are far more effective, and if the Rams can start putting up a lot of points, the Defense will be a thousand times better too. Great offenses force the opposing team to play from behind . . . which means AD and company get to “pin their ears back,” etc. etc.
Kupp needs help, of course. And they never should have traded Woods. But I think with a top five O-line, he’ll need far less. “Adequate” receivers suddenly look like All-Pros when the QB has plenty of time and so on. Same goes for the running game. A beast of an O-line makes the Rams model of “next man up” work at the running back position too. Akers would be stellar, and build off of his excellent last few games, etc. Those late round guys could suddenly look more than solid.
In short, I’d focus on the O-line and build out from there. Of course, they really do need to find some seriously good edge rushers. And, since I’m a very greedy fan, I’d love to see the Rams have All-Pros at every position. But that’s not gonna happen for any team, ever. So they have to be selective, etc. I’d just like to see them change their focus a bit.
January 26, 2023 at 1:44 am #142752znModeratorI know, I know: they won a Super Bowl. But geez..
Old and Cap-deprived is where no NFL roster wants to be.. https://t.co/q2gtGcVSOV— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) January 25, 2023
January 26, 2023 at 1:51 am #142753znModeratorCould the Rams move one of their top defenders this offseason? Some NFL executives believe so. https://t.co/BbOvO6CPlU
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) January 25, 2023
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The Rams won’t find another Jalen Ramsey with the picks or cap space they’d get by trading him. https://t.co/gBsJ8GVo2y
— Rams Wire (@TheRamsWire) January 25, 2023
January 26, 2023 at 7:17 am #142754Billy_TParticipantSlight correction on ages. Noteboom will be 28 (June 19th) for this season. That makes him 29 for 2024.
But I’d be shocked if he’s still with the Rams next year. Same goes for Floyd, Robinson, or Havenstein.
As others have noted already, the Rams may shock us even more and trade Donald or Ramsey in the offseason, though I think it’s highly unlikely. Even more unlikely for Donald than Ramsey.
But, the overall point in that tweet is a good one. The Rams are one of the oldest teams in the league now, and they’ve been a bit reckless with their extensions in recent years. In some cases, it seemed to be the right thing to do, Donald being a great example. But too often they’ve done those extensions a coupla years early, when there was no threat of losing that player.
And their model doesn’t require that kind of thing. It doesn’t take anything away from their “all in” mode, or their desire to find key (relatively young) veterans to build around. You can do that without those early extensions, or handing tens of millions in guaranteed money to aging, oft-hurt vets like Stafford.
I’ll always love the Rams, but a lot of their decision-making frustrates the hell out of me.
January 26, 2023 at 9:18 am #142755znModeratorAnd their model doesn’t require that kind of thing. It doesn’t take anything away from their “all in” mode, or their desire to find key (relatively young) veterans to build around. You can do that without those early extensions, or handing tens of millions in guaranteed money to aging, oft-hurt vets like Stafford.
They do have a series of things going on with extensions. For example they extended both Gurley and Goff, then Gurley tanked and Goff fell out of favor.
January 26, 2023 at 9:50 am #142756JackPMillerParticipantI dunno if they can upgrade, but Kupp needs some help.
well there’s obj and juju. but i think gesicki could be an exceptional receiving te. not a traditional wr but maybe could take attention away from kupp.
I do have a feeling that Allen Robinson is going to have a much better year. Ben Skowronek has been a nice find as well, for us.
I’m not sure I really want a WR in these next two draft classes. They look weak. Edge Rusher is real strong, along with interior OLine.
Next years draft, CB and Safety really looks good, Denzel Burk & “Kool Aid” McKinley leading the charge at CB. Andrew Mukaba, & Cole Bishop leading the charge at Saftety. That’s along with many more.
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