Goff or Wentz? Wentz or Goff? Der Wentz oder Goff entscheidung

I would very much prefer Wentz. However, I am now convinced that it will be Goff. The mystery is over for me. I am spending the next 12 days scouring the internet for Goff draft profiles and only reading the “Strengths” sections. I need to sell myself on Goff.

Here’s what Dane Brugler has to say about Goff’s strengths:

STRENGTHS: Good height for the position with the body type to add weight and fill out…outstanding feet, set-up quickness and release, displaying the lower body mechanics to easily come to balance and throw in rhythm – terrific pocket presence to float from pressure with his eyes downfield and buy extra half seconds…climbs the pocket with controlled steps…fundamentals don’t break down when the play does and capable of the correct spontaneous decision…cerebral passing instincts with a strong understanding of anticipation and timing, throwing receivers open…very good self-evaluator and learns from his mistakes…quick trigger and spins a pretty ball with the velocity to drive it and make all the necessary throws…improved eye use to hold defenders, keep the middle of the field open…very good placement to give his receivers a chance to catch-and-go with the touch to deliver tight-windowed throws between levels of the defense…sees the field well pre-snap to get a head start on his progressions…patient to work through his reads, feeling the rush, not looking at the rush…has the stones to stay tough in the pocket even with the hit coming…improved recognition skills pre-snap to identify pressures and find the hot route on blitzes…not a statue, showing enough athleticism to move the pocket and pick up yards as a rusher…trusts his teammates with a steady demeanor regardless of down-and-distance or what the scoreboard says – played behind a spotty offensive line and with receivers who had high drop rates…effective pooch punter, averaging 37.7 yards per punt (12/452), including six inside the opponents’ 20-yard line…two-year team captain (voted by his teammates) – ultra-reserved and laid back personality…athletic bloodlines – father (Jeff) was an All- American baseball catcher at Cal and played seven seasons in MLB (1990-96)…started every game the last three seasons (37 career starts)…rewrote the Cal record book and holds 26 school records, including career passing yards (12,200), touchdown passes (96) and completions (977) – only the second Pac-12 passer to throw 3,000+ yards in each of his first three collegiate seasons.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by canadaram.

canadaram wrote:

. (Mods: I won’t post any more of these in this thread. It’s just part of the healing process for me.)

Don’t worry about it. Honest, it’s no time for mods to be hyper-categorical. This move (the trade) was a big deal. Do as you wish in discussing it.

if it makes you feel better boylhart has wentz graded as a second rounder.

• This reply was modified 8 years, 8 months ago by InvaderRam.

InvaderRam wrote:

if it makes you feel better boylhart has wentz graded as a second rounder.

Yes, I noticed that. I enjoy reading Drew’s profiles.

He likes Lynch a lot. He loved Tebow too.

I don’t want Jared “Little Hands” Goff anywhere near this team.

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TomSlick

The Bay Area media is very high on Goff, and quite perturbed that the RAMS will get Goff and trash the niners for years to come. For that reason alone, draft Goff.

while it is hard to find a great qb with 9″ hands, it doesn’t necessarily mean goff will be a bad qb.

romo has 8 3/4″ hands. i don’t know what to make of the whole hand size thing. just that there are very few qbs with 9″ hands.

on the other hand, wentz’s age is a little worrisome. he’s 23 years old and will be 24 before the 2016 season is over. how many great qbs were drafted that old? the only one i can think of is russell wilson, and some might debate whether he’s great or not. i happen to think he’s great. he turned 24 his rookie season. there have been qbs drafted when they were 23 but didn’t turn 24 until the after the season was over.

so between goff’s microscopic hands and wentz being a fossil, i’m really torn as to who the rams should pick.

when it’s all said and done, outside of tom brady i don’t really care for california qbs. they’re not tough enough. i’ll go with the qb from the midwest – carson wentz. all great qbs come from the midwest.

There’s also this from Drew Boylhart:

@TheRamsFan I don't believe for a minute Rams moved up to draft a division 2 QB. Its Goff all the way. He reminds me of Montana

— Drew Boylhart (@DrewBoylhart) April 16, 2016

nittany ram wrote:

North Dakota State isn’t Division II. It’s Division I AA. There’s a big gap between I AA and II. The NFL has many players from I AA programs. Some notable I AA QBs include Phil Simms, Joe Flacco, Steve McNair, Rich Gannon…oh, and Kurt Warner.

Yes, I know. I’m just clinging to his Montana comparison. It’s part of my campaign to force myself to like Goff when he’s inevitably picked by the Rams.

gruden thinks carson wentz is the most nfl-ready qb in the last couple of years.

he’s smart. scored a 40 on the wonderlic. he comes from a pro-style offense. his qb coach was an assistant coach in the nfl. he must have received good coaching there. the program won a fifth consecutive national championship this year.

could he come in right away and be a manager of a run-oriented offense? he could…

we hear all the time how russell wilson and kirk cousins both benefited from coming from a pro-style offense. connor cook gets credit for it. so it stands to reason that wentz should too. and the success of wilson and cousins is obvious.

There is a TON in this thread. It’s just crazy with stuff, already…and it has only been 2 days.

The true diehard addicted Rams junkie will read this entire thread devotedly. And, contribute to it.

But then who is to say who is and isn’t a diehard? I mean, besides me.

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Well, I just don’t know what to do with stuff like this. One place I read a knock on Goff is lack of poise under pressure. Here somebody is saying he is excellent because he is used to playing behind a porous line, and will make plays against blitzes.

So. How am I supposed to know?

Zooey wrote:

Well, I just don’t know what to do with stuff like this. One place I read a knock on Goff is lack of poise under pressure. Here somebody is saying he is excellent because he is used to playing behind a porous line, and will make plays against blitzes.

So. How am I supposed to know?

it’s funny because you take one game and have two different people analyze it.

cosell says he looks rushed and has jittery feet.

waldman raves about how cool he is under pressure.

literally. the same game. opposite opinions. i think you’d have to actually talk to the players and talk them through plays to get more insight.

you’ve got one group of guys who think goff is the more pro ready of the two. the other group says the exact opposite.

one thing that stands out to me about wentz is interviews with gruden and mariucci. they give him a play and have him spit it back out on a board. i have no idea what they are talking about, but wentz seems to have no problem with it. jeremiah says that he is light years ahead of anybody in this draft in terms of understanding how a pro-style offense operates. gruden says he is the most pro-ready qb of the last couple of years. the last time he said that i believe was russell wilson.

my opinion. goff would be more ready to go in and just start passing the ball. but i think carson would be more ready to be a manager of the game. which trait do the rams value more? for me i would think they’d value wentz more but maybe they adapt to goff’s strengths like zn says.

chris weinke said at the time that russell wilson would have been the number one pick if he was 6’5″. really curious as to what he thinks of the two qbs. i’d assume he’ll have significant input on this decision.

zn wrote:

One of the comparisons I like is that basically, Goff v. Wentz is like Ryan v. Roethlisberger.

and i think i would prefer a roethlisberger. not roethlisberger himself cuz he’s kind of scummy but a roethlisberger type player.

i’ve been thinking about this. wentz may not have the live reps that goff has, but he’s been in this north dakota state system for five years. five years in a pro-style offense. and not just a pro-style offense but a championship winning pro-style offense. so i don’t automatically buy the notion that wentz is that far behind goff who has been in a spread system his whole time in college.

i just got finished watching gruden’s camp. gruden talks about how all the ndsu cutups are essentially like watching nfl plays. my guess is he’ll have the easiest time of the two digesting an nfl playbook. gruden talks about his ability to make pre-snap adjustments. his ball handling ability in play action. his ability to disguise plays. i don’t think those five years can be discounted. i’m sure they’re not being discounted.

not that goff can’t learn all that. they both appear to be smart guys. what a tough choice.

Here’s a LaCanfora article which briefly talks about Goff/Wentz and the Browns at #2:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25557933/draft-even-after-blockbuster-deal-titans-trying-to-trade-into-the-top-10

The Browns want Jared Goff, and, I have yet to talk to an executive who does not believe that is who the Rams are taking. While the talk prior to the Rams making that huge move was that they preferred Carson Wentz, no one is buying that they jumped up half a draft round to select a quarterback who played low-level college football and may need to sit for a few years while the Rams try to make a dent in the Los Angeles market.

Maybe there is actually some ruse going on, but just as other teams were never buying that the Rams were going to go with Case Keenum as their quarterback, they aren’t buying for one minute that Jeff Fisher doesn’t already know who he is picking; and they believe strongly it is the California kid who played in the Pac-12 who is more pro ready from Day One than Wentz.

Browns coaches, for their part, believe the gulf between Goff and Wentz is fairly wide, and thus taking Wentz at No. 2 is a tough sell. And while Joey Bosa and DeForrest Buckner would be under consideration for the selection, the opportunity to drop down, land more picks, and not have to pass on a passer appeals to the Browns as well. And for an alleged forward-thinking, analytics-driven front office that prizes the cheap commodity that draft picks are, trading down would make plenty of sense and would take them off the hook of picking at 2 and would give them something they could sell to the fans if their quarterback is indeed going to be gone.

It’s funny when it comes to the opinion on these QBs, how differently they are viewed. Unless-of course, it’s all theater. Maybe the Browns really want Wentz.

Note: While I was reading this there was a video on the side with a guy screaming for the Rams to take Wentz. He basically said they were nuts if they took Goff #1.

So the pick will be the right pick and the wrong pick. They can’t win–and they can’t lose. And time will tell.