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December 12, 2020 at 10:47 am #125550
znModeratorhis effectiveness can drop significantly under constant pressure.
And that’s what’s proving to be exaggerated, or at least over-stated.
This year the Rams played 5 teams that are top 10 in defensive pressure percentage. Ranked in order of how much pressure they bring, it’s the Patz (2nd), Tampa (4th), Giants (6th), Eagles (7th), and Cards (8th).
Rams won all 5 games and Goff had good to great numbers in all of them.
The most he has been pressured in a game since the end of Sept 2019 was the recent Arizona game (16 pressures). The Patz had 7 pressures. He did well in both games (which the numbers back). I pointed to plays in the highlights vid against NE where he keeps doing what a strict pocket passer like him has to do against the rush.
No one said he was Marino BUT yes, the more negative take is not really holding up. Like the Arizona game. The MOST Goff has been pressured in any games since 2018 are the 2018 Green Bay game (20 pressures), the 2018 Chiefs game (21), the 2019 Tampa game (20) and the 2020 Arizona game (16).
The other stats some other stat-head dug up is that the negative plays–strip sacks, fumbles–come in bunches in a handful of games (that’s career). This year it was 2 games. There are always a handful of games like that but it doesn’t bleed over into the majority of games. So this year it’s 2 out of 13.
I have a theory (which I can get to if it interests anyone) as to what it is that triggers this achilles heel when it happens (like in the Miami and SF games this year) but it is not due to pressure alone. There are other factors besides just pressure. If you don’t have those other factors (like in the recent Arizona game), the bad stuff doesn’t happen.
….December 12, 2020 at 11:18 am #125553
InvaderRamModeratorNo, there isn’t. There’s the observation that he isn’t one of those QBs who is slippery, and – like most QBs – his effectiveness can drop significantly under constant pressure. Few QBs transcend that, but very few of them ever had Kill Kurt drills.
You say 12-10. Most of us are saying 10-15. That’s why we’re having a board war, and if you can’t take it, maybe you should surrender like Chris Everett.
hahahahaha!
i’m not laughing at zn. i’m really just laughing at ALL OF US. the fact that we’re arguing the difference between 10-12 and 10-15.
this is a great board.
December 12, 2020 at 11:20 am #125554InvaderRamModeratorI have a theory (which I can get to if it interests anyone) as to what it is that triggers this achilles heel when it happens (like in the Miami and SF games this year) but it is not due to pressure alone. There are other factors besides just pressure. If you don’t have those other factors (like in the recent Arizona game), the bad stuff doesn’t happen.
well what is your theory?
December 12, 2020 at 11:33 am #125555znModeratorI have a theory (which I can get to if it interests anyone) as to what it is that triggers this achilles heel when it happens (like in the Miami and SF games this year) but it is not due to pressure alone. There are other factors besides just pressure. If you don’t have those other factors (like in the recent Arizona game), the bad stuff doesn’t happen.
well what is your theory?
Well bear in mind what I said about the numbers. Rams have faced 5 of the top 10 pressure percentage defenses this year and won all 5. Goff looked decent to very good in all of them. And in addition to that, according to PRF numbers Arizona pressured him the 4th most times (16) of any games from 2018 on. So they are facing pressure. They handle it better this year with a relatively healthy, good OL than they did in 2019 with a problem OL, but that’s just to be expected.
So the issue is not pressure alone.
The games like Miami and SF this year, and Chicago in 2018, combines other things WITH pressure.
1. a top secondary that slows the passing game (it is never just pressure, it’s pressure plus facing a top secondary)…this is especially true if the secondary is slowing Goff down and getting him out of rhythm
2. no running game–either cause of the RB or the other team defends it, or McVay refuses for some inexplicable reason to run the ball (like Miami this year)
3. McVay does not adjust in-game to the defense he is facing and struggles with in-game instincts and adjustments (like the infamous 6-1 D front issue). McVay adjusts to tough defensive gameplans between games, not IN games. So for example he couldn’t crack the Patz D in the superbowl but he did the next time he played them.
4. also, pressureThe complete collapse games we have seen from Goff have all those features, it is never just one of them–and it is absolutely not just pressure. For example, Tampa is top 10 in pressure percentage on defense. Rams could not run the ball against them. They had to throw to win. In fact they threw 51 times. But it was not one of the infamous Goff meltdown games.
December 12, 2020 at 12:51 pm #125560InvaderRamModeratorWell bear in mind what I said about the numbers. Rams have faced 5 of the top 10 pressure percentage defenses this year and won all 5. Goff looked decent to very good in all of them. And in addition to that, according to PRF numbers Arizona pressured him the 4th most times (16) of any games from 2018 on. So they are facing pressure. They handle it better this year with a relatively healthy, good OL than they did in 2019 with a problem OL, but that’s just to be expected.
So the issue is not pressure alone.
The games like Miami and SF this year, and Chicago in 2018, combines other things WITH pressure.
1. a top secondary that slows the passing game (it is never just pressure, it’s pressure plus facing a top secondary)…this is especially true if the secondary is slowing Goff down and getting him out of rhythm
2. no running game–either cause of the RB or the other team defends it, or McVay refuses for some inexplicable reason to run the ball (like Miami this year)
3. McVay does not adjust in-game to the defense he is facing and struggles with in-game instincts and adjustments (like the infamous 6-1 D front issue). McVay adjusts to tough defensive gameplans between games, not IN games. So for example he couldn’t crack the Patz D in the superbowl but he did the next time he played them.
4. also, pressureThe complete collapse games we have seen from Goff have all those features, it is never just one of them–and it is absolutely not just pressure. For example, Tampa is top 10 in pressure percentage on defense. Rams could not run the ball against them. They had to throw to win. In fact they threw 51 times. But it was not one of the infamous Goff meltdown games.
well. i mostly agree with you on all your points. probably very slight differences in how much goff gets bothered by pressure.
December 12, 2020 at 1:38 pm #125570znModeratorprobably very slight differences in how much goff gets bothered by pressure.
I’m just wondering how much of that is situational.
Because the idea some have (or that I’ve seen some say) that he is always bothered by pressure, just does not hold up.
I mean we know he’s not GREAT but he is not always bothered by pressure. And you’re right, once we both say that much, then it’s probably micro-differences on the degree to which he is or is not bothered by it.
In fact this year he improved against the blitz–it is getting to the point where you don’t want to blitz the Rams offense.
December 12, 2020 at 1:55 pm #125571znModerator69RamFan
My Recap After the Patsies Game…
First off, let’s give big props to our OL/two TE set.
They out muscled the Pats DL…
They played outstanding the whole game, except for a few false starts on Everett at the end.
But I’m not going to let him go unnoticed; Everett was blocking his ass off.
Lined up in the backfield as a FB to lead the way through the holes to block into the second level and Akers did the rest….
Now to our Skill players, no, I’m not going to start with our RBs,,,, I’m going to go to are WRs,,, they were also blocking their asses off…
Now to our RBs… It was a group effort, but it was Akers night,,, he ran for 171yds to include the rest of our RB for a total of 186yds
As for Goff, I thought he played a decent game. Some nice passes to his receivers. His stats were 16/25 for 64% comp 137yds 1TD and 1 run TD 1 INT 74.9 QB passer rating.
His final number should have been better in yardage, comp percentages and QB passer rating, if not for the three drop passes by his receivers and the Refs made a bad call on that INT,,, the film shows that Woods caught the ball and he was down by contact and then the DB took the ball away…
But the Los Angels up above saw the Refs made a mistake, so they rewarded us with a pick six… 😀 😀 😀
Talking about the pick six, it was a great play by both AD and Young….. AD held the RB from getting into the position for a screen in which Young intercept the pass for a pick six.
The whole defense was playing excellent. With Six sacks and 7 TFL and 10 QB Hits
The whole team played unselfish…
ST played ok, and I think we found a Kicker for good even though he kicked one OB during the KO.
Now to Coach McVay,,,
He called an outstanding game, he out smarted Bellicheat
The game against AZ, he used a heavy dose of the 12PG but was using Goff in the passing game out of that scheme/formations.
But against the Pats, he use a very heavy dose of 12PG but using as a run game…
He use the 12PG on 43 plays compared to 18 play with the 11PG…
He has never done that before during his time with the RAMs…
What I liked about this team, they seemed to play unselfish, they cheer for each other success.
Its not just the main players that are getting success, it seems like every week, its someone new that makes a big play or is playing outstanding…
This season, I never got a chance to watch and evaluate the team in camp because of covid.
Before the season started, I had my prediction as the RAMs coming in at 10-6.
Then after the first game against the Cowgirls I raised it up to 12 – 4 record…Well they need to win the next three for my prediction to come true.
This was a great win, and next victim coming to town are the Jets…
December 12, 2020 at 7:09 pm #125576
ZooeyModeratorWell bear in mind what I said about the numbers. Rams have faced 5 of the top 10 pressure percentage defenses this year and won all 5. Goff looked decent to very good in all of them. And in addition to that, according to PRF numbers Arizona pressured him the 4th most times (16) of any games from 2018 on. So they are facing pressure. They handle it better this year with a relatively healthy, good OL than they did in 2019 with a problem OL, but that’s just to be expected.
So the issue is not pressure alone.
The games like Miami and SF this year, and Chicago in 2018, combines other things WITH pressure.
1. a top secondary that slows the passing game (it is never just pressure, it’s pressure plus facing a top secondary)…this is especially true if the secondary is slowing Goff down and getting him out of rhythm
2. no running game–either cause of the RB or the other team defends it, or McVay refuses for some inexplicable reason to run the ball (like Miami this year)
3. McVay does not adjust in-game to the defense he is facing and struggles with in-game instincts and adjustments (like the infamous 6-1 D front issue). McVay adjusts to tough defensive gameplans between games, not IN games. So for example he couldn’t crack the Patz D in the superbowl but he did the next time he played them.
4. also, pressureThe complete collapse games we have seen from Goff have all those features, it is never just one of them–and it is absolutely not just pressure. For example, Tampa is top 10 in pressure percentage on defense. Rams could not run the ball against them. They had to throw to win. In fact they threw 51 times. But it was not one of the infamous Goff meltdown games.
I just sort of feel like if any of your ideas had merit, they would be re-tweeted by John Cleese. But I’ve never seen that happen with you, so….
December 12, 2020 at 8:07 pm #125577znModeratorI just sort of feel like if any of your ideas had merit, they would be re-tweeted by John Cleese. But I’ve never seen that happen with you, so….
Touche.
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December 14, 2020 at 9:23 am #125630
wvParticipantJohn Cleese just tweeted that Belichick is a Witch.
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vDecember 14, 2020 at 2:39 pm #125647znModeratoralyoshamucci
Game 13 Patriots
I had to work that night, so I only watched the first half … I didn’t watch the rest because we were simply clubbing them like a baby seal and I’d rather catch up on college kids …
So I’ll keep it relatively short.
The Great
1) 200 scrimmage yards from a RB. This makes everyone else’s life on offense easier. And it makes me likely to win in my fantasy leagues …
2) Holding the Patriots to their worst offensive outing under Belichick.
The Good
3) Both our ILBs are playing really well. An undrafted kid from a D2 school and a 5th round cast off … that’s saying something about coaching and scheme.
4) Suffocating the life out of a team when we can. Burying a team that deserves to be buried is an attitude, and our defense has that swagger now.
5) Looking at the rest of the league and feeling like we can beat anyone. That’s a good feeling.
6) Offensive line holding their own after losing their leader …
7) Stopping the 4th and goal … it was an ugly play to begin with but it was satisfying to watch them blow it up.
8) Nick Scott … bottom of our depth chart coming in and playing hair on fire.
The Bad
9) We have no real outside pass rush. Oddly this works against mobile QBs because it locks them in the pocket … but it’s not really a good thing going into the playoffs against Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees.
10) I love the Cam Akers game, but I’d prefer if we hadn’t fed him at the end when he’d just be running into a wall. I’d rather keep those carries off him.
December 14, 2020 at 8:04 pm #125657InvaderRamModeratorI love the Cam Akers game, but I’d prefer if we hadn’t fed him at the end when he’d just be running into a wall. I’d rather keep those carries off him.
yeah. he did that with gurley.
29 carries is too much. no more than 25. and really he should only be averaging 20 carries per game at the most.
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