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    Rachel Dolezal’s Deception isn’t the Lie We Should Be Worried About

    http://jnikolbeckham.com/blog/rachel-dolezals-deception-isnt-the-lie-we-should-be-worried-about/

    Facebook scares the shit out of me…often.

    The fear is a result of seeing (and I acknowledge how hyperbolized the visions Facebook presents can be) the shear volume of people who hold views I find to be terrifying. There are not a lot of these, relatively speaking. I like to think of myself as the type of person who confronts even the most repugnant opinions with courage in the name of open dialogue. But when I see/hear people enthusiastically posting, commenting, liking and sharing ideas that underlie some the most dangerous expressions of power and privilege…well, I get scared.

    So it was with fear yesterday morning that I first encountered the Rachel Dolezal story and the disconcerting fact that most people, no matter what their politics, seem to be raging biological determinists when it comes to understanding race.
    Photo from Facebook Page of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP.

    Photo from Facebook Page of the Spokane chapter of the NAACP.

    Before I go on, let me say that this post is not intended to be a defense of Rachel Dolezal. I don’t know this woman, but from what has been reported about her, she appears to have some honesty, integrity, and emotional problems that extend FAR beyond “misrepresenting” her racial identity. So, I don’t intend to comment here on the rightness or the wrongness of her actions or motivations. What I will comment upon is what public reaction to this story reveals about our beliefs about race and why Dolezal’s lie isn’t the deception we should be worried about.
    Race is a Social Construction

    To be honest, I thought we were all on board with this one. But as this story continues to break, over and over again I see the words “biological” and “genetic” popping up. And I continue to see people (known and unknown to me) talking about the categories “black” and “white” as if they were absolute certainties that anyone with basic command of three of their five senses could discern with utmost accuracy. Perhaps this is the reality of lived experience for most people, but it is far from anything the scientific community has believed for a good while.

    We presume “races” to be groups of people that are distinct from other groups because of physical or genetic traits that are shared by the group–in particular, we focus on skin color. However most biologists and anthropologists have stopped recognizing “race” as a scientifically valid classification. This classification only has use in sociocultural contexts (and many of the uses are of a particularly nefarious ilk). With the scientific community having demonstrated that there is more genetic variation within the groups we call races than are differences between them, and with many of the physical traits we associate with race being traceable to environmental influence (skin color, stature, and musculature among some of the most significant), the term “race” has no testable biological basis. That is to say, there are no “sub-species” among homo sapiens.

    That does not mean that race is not “real” or that physical traits are not passed from parents to offspring generation after generation. It simply means that race is only real in that we continue to assign social significance to specific physical similarities and differences–again, most significantly skin color–because they happen to line up well with political and cultural differences (though these alignments are rapidly degrading). To say that something is socially significant, means it serves as the basis of differential interpretation and action–roughly speaking, we find it a reasonable reason to treat and act toward people differently. And so as a result, cultures and subcultures have and continue to develop around the constructs of race as people suffer or benefit from these differential social interactions, generation after generation .

    So what? Everyone’s got it wrong on race. What’s the big deal? Why is that terrifying? The popular misunderstanding of race is prevalent and lots of people manage not to be racist bumholes without “getting” all that science and social theory.

    The so what is this…we need to “get it,” because if we don’t we (and by we, I am especially talking to progressive-minded individuals who are invested in ridding the world of racial injustice) end up reinforcing the very ideas and justificatory logic that makes racism possible.
    Biological Definitions of Race are the Basis for Structural and Institutional Racism

    subhumanBy most historical accounts, efforts to find and make concrete a scientific basis for race–often referred to as “scientific racism“–began to crop up and flourish right around the time European colonialism and Western capitalism hit their stride. It doesn’t take much consideration to see how scientific “proof” that Africans were biologically different (less human and therefore inferior) greased the wheels of the transatlantic slave trade. And it takes just as little thought to see why such an idea would have tremendous sticking power in the start-up U.S. Slave labor formed the basis of American Agro-capitalism, it formed the basis of American wealth, and (ironically) the basis of American independence.

    But even has we move forward in history and arrive at a time when most people agree that black people are actually people too, the biologism of race has remained the logical justification for some of our ugliest moments. The eugenics moment, which was active and state sponsored in the U.S. until the 1970s (and continues to afflict our incarcerated population), was and is an institutional reification of Social Darwinism. And it was the belief that black men were genetically programmed with insatiable and “animalistic” sexual appetites that underwrote the widespread fear that white woman were at risk of rape simply by being in proximity to black men–the fear that motivated any number of public lynchings and dehumanized lynching victims to the point that people regularly attend these events in Sunday dress, replete with picnic baskets and smiles.
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    Lynching, in Marion, Indiana, August 7, 1930. Published in TIME MAGAZINE

    Though we have cultivated a more civilized appearance for such beliefs, they continue to form the fabric of institutional racism. The belief that black bodies are biologically more athletic (and subsequently less intelligent), fuels everything from differential education (unwittingly steering children toward certain activities and not others) to differential hiring practices–this study conducted by the National Bureau of Economic Research demonstrates that employers respond less favorably to a resumé when the name attached to the top is “black sounding”. The researchers, who circulated resumés in response to job advertisements that were identical except for the names at the top (Emily and Greg vs. Lakisha and Jamal), found that a white sounding name yielded as many more callbacks as an additional eight years of experience.

    Biological conceptions of race have justified every white supremacist ideology in modern history and you only have to spend a few seconds reading the comments on any given story on race relations in America to see that those who practice racism go back to these “genetic differences” every time they need to justify their repugnant views.
    So you are Saying I should be Cool with Rachel Dolezal?

    Hell no, I am not saying that.

    As I mentioned above, I think the story of Rachel Dolezal is more convoluted than the splashy headlines could possibly communicate–and, if I were a betting woman, I would put money on the chance that this story includes some sad and unfortunate trama, possibly emotional abuse, and mental illness. As I said before, I don’t feel qualified to comment upon her situation, I just don’t know enough.

    But I am commenting on what our collective responses to her situation reveal about our thinking about race and, from what I have seen so far, I think we should be far more worried about the fact that so many of us, so uncritically, buy into the lie that race has an essential biological foundation than about any of the lies that Rachel Dolezal told.

    That does not mean I or anyone else has to like it. I quite literally bristle when I see photos of Ms. Dolezal. I am appalled and angered and offended when I think about someone who has not had to live life in a black body, someone who has not had to endure the daily micro- and macro-aggressions that are the social fabric of a nation that was (fairly recently) forged in the fires of racist domination, trying on “blackness” like a blouse–putting it on and taking it off when she feels like it, because her privilege enables such a performance.

    This makes me sick.

    However, the reason I am appalled is because she seems to take lightly the enormously fluid, complex, and weighty condition that is American blackness. The condition of American blackness is something I recognize to be one of the most brilliant accomplishments of humanity, because American blackness is not some instinct-driven expression of dark-skinned genetics, nor it is it simply a heritage passed down from ancestors, American blackness is a beautifully creative contextual response to generations of violently differential treatment, founded on the myth that the accident of our skin color is socially significant. Black culture is a culture of resilience, it is a culture of creativity, it is a culture of empowerment, and it is a culture that responds with complexity to the great lie that nurtured colonialism, capitalism, and Western modernity when they were embryonic forces in the world. And I am proud as fuck of the black culture that, unlike Ms. Dolezal, I do not have a choice to take on and off, because my membership in it is written all over my body.

    But at the same time that I love and celebrate American blackness in all the shapes and forms it takes, part of my black identity is formed by the fight to eradicate the lie that was so central in producing this cultural identity in the first place–the lie of biologically-determined race. I define my blackness in tandem with my anti-racism and both are rooted in the truth of the constructedness of racial identity (and what beautiful constructions they are!). But if biology does not produce black culture, then biology does not legitimize my membership in it. It is a compulsory membership and if I am to believe in the constructed nature of race, because this belief in no small way defines anti-racism, then I must also accept that I cannot police the boundaries of this construct–I cannot deny access to others based solely on their physiological traits…no matter how hard that is.

    I made essentially the same argument about Caitlyn Jenner earlier this week. Jenner has deployed some of the most irksome and problematic interpretations of “womanhood” we have seen in media headlines in a while. She seems to show an almost arrogant ignorance of the oppressive gender politics that have shaped the condition of contemporary American womanhood that she has chosen to make her own. Dolezal’s claiming of blackness is similar in this, in its ignorance, in its presumption. But, I will not erect definitional walls or draw the boundaries up around womanhood or blackness in order to exclude those who express or appropriate these identities in ways I don’t like (or even find dangerous) if it means using the building blocks of racism or sexism to do so. We cannot hang our hats as activists and purveyors of social justice on ridding the world of reductive, essentialist, and biologically deterministic notions of race, gender, and/or sexuality and then turn around and pick up the VERY SAME ideas we have recognized oppress us when someone wields the social constructions of race and gender and sexuality in ways we do not like.

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    From Jenner to Dolezal: One Trans Good, the Other Not So Much

    http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/06/15/jenner-dolezal-one-trans-good-other-not-so-much?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

    By far the most intellectually and politically interesting thing about the recent “exposé” of Spokane, WA, NAACP activist Rachel Dolezal’s racial status is the conundrum it has posed for racial identitarians who are also committed to defense of transgender identity. The comparisons between Dolezal and Republican Jenner (I’ve decided to opt for that referent because it is an identity continuous between “Bruce” and “Caitlyn” and is moreover the one most meaningful to me) began almost instantly, particularly as a flood of mass-mediated Racial Voices who support the legitimacy of transgender identity objected strenuously to suggestions that Dolezal’s representation, and apparent perception, of herself as black is similar to Bruce Jenner’s perception of himself as actually Caitlyn. Their contention is that one kind of claim to an identity at odds with culturally constructed understandings of the identity appropriate to one’s biology is okay but that the other is not – that it’s OK to feel like a woman when you don’t have the body of a woman and to act like (and even get yourself the body of) a woman but that it’s wrong to feel like a black person when you’re actually white and that acting like you’re black and doing your best to get yourself the body of a black person is just lying.

    The way Zeba Blay puts it, on the Black Voices section of the HuffPo, is by declaring how important it is to “make one thing clear: transracial identity is not a thing.” What is clear is that it’s not at all clear what that statement is supposed to mean. It seems to suggest that transracial identity is not something that has been validated by public recognition, or at least that Blay has not heard of or does not recognize it. But there’s an obvious problem with this contention. There was a moment, not that long ago actually, when transgender identity was not a “thing” in that sense either. Is Blay’s contention that we should accept transgender identity only because it is now publicly recognized? If so, the circularity is obvious, and the lack of acceptance arguably only a matter of time. Transgender wasn’t always a thing – just ask Christine Jorgensen.

    “There is no coherent, principled defense of the stance that transgender identity is legitimate but transracial is not.”

    But the more serious charge is the moral one, that, as Michelle Garcia puts it, “It’s pretty clear: Dolezal has lied.” But here too, it’s not clear what’s so clear. Is the point supposed to be that Dolezal is lying when she says she identifies as black? Or is it that being black has nothing to do with how you identify? The problem with the first claim is obvious – how do they know? And on what grounds does Jenner get to be telling the truth and Dolezal not? But the problem with the second claim is even more obvious since if you think there’s some biological fact of the matter about what race people actually belong to utterly independent of what race they think they belong to, you’re committed to a view of racial difference as biologically definitive in a way that’s even deeper than sexual difference.

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    Blay attempts to deal with these issues by quoting Darnell L. Moore of Mic.com’s analysis that “In attempting to pass as black, Dolezal falsely represented her identity. Trans people don’t lie about their gender identities — they express their gender according to categories that reflect who they are.” This claim has recurred in various formulations. Meredith Talusan asserts it most emphatically in The Guardian:

    The fundamental difference between Dolezal’s actions and trans people’s is that her decision to identify as black was an active choice, whereas transgender people’s decision to transition is almost always involuntary. Transitioning is the product of a fundamental aspect of our humanity – gender – being foisted upon us over and over again from the time of our birth in a manner inconsistent with our own experience of our genders. Doctors don’t announce our race or color when we are born; they announce our gender. People who are alienated from their presumed gender and define themselves according to another gender have existed since earliest recorded history; race is a medieval European invention. Thus, Dolezal identified as black, but I am a woman, and other trans people are the gender they feel themselves to be.

    This assessment is mind-bogglingly wrong-headed, but it is at the same time thus deeply revealing of the contradictoriness and irrationality that undergird so much self-righteous identitarian twaddle. First of all, as I’ve already suggested, the claim that Dolezal’s identity is false and transgendered people’s are true immediately provokes a “Who says?” What makes Talusan’s and other transgender people’s identities authentic is that they believe them to be authentic. We agree to accept transgender people’s expression of belief in their authenticity. It’s fine for Talusan or others to say that they are convinced that the identities they embrace are their real ones in some way that is not limited by their biology at birth. However, the logic of the pluralism and open-endedness of identity they assert would require that they also accept the self-reports of claims to authenticity regarding identities that may diverge in other ways from convention. Certainly, not doing so necessitates some justification more persuasive—and less Archie Bunkerish—than simply asserting “Mine is genuine, theirs is not.” The voluntary/involuntary criterion isn’t even sophistry; it’s just bullshit. Once again, who says? Who gave Talusan, Moore, Blay and others the gifts of telepathic mindreading and ventriloquy? How do we know that Dolezal may not sense that she is “really” black in the same, involuntary way that many transgender people feel that they are “really” transgender?

    The related complaint that Dolezal’s self-representation is inauthentic because she “lied” about her identity is equally fatuous. To stay within the identitarian paradigm, what did Republican Jenner do for more than six decades of operating as Bruce? What does any transgender person do before the moment of coming out?

    Michelle Garcia, also at Mic.com, asks, imagining that her question is a trump, “If Caitlyn Jenner can identify as a woman, why can’t Rachel Dolezal say that she’s black?” But why should that be the definitive criterion for accepting the self-representation? Who made that rule? Could there be something about public expectations at this point regarding the fixity of racial boundaries that would stay Dolezal from taking the bold step of announcing that she had always “known” herself to be black? The furor that has surrounded the “exposé” would suggest that is the case. Would she have felt free to do so if public awareness already accepted the possibility of racial identity as not necessarily tied to official classification? I have no idea whether she would have, and Garcia doesn’t either. And, again, what about the 60+ years before Republican Jenner emerged publicly as Caitlyn? Was his privately embraced identity as Caitlyn bogus for all those years because he didn’t, or felt he couldn’t, go public with it?

    This brings me to the most important point that this affair throws into relief. It has outed the essentialism on which those identitarian discourses rest. Garcia asks “So why don’t we just accept Dolezal as black? Because she’s not.” But why is she not black in Garcia’s view? Well, “Her parents say she’s not even close to being black.” But what would that mean — that she has no known black ancestry? Is blackness, then, a matter of hypodescent after all? But, if that’s what it is, then what politically significant meaning does the category have? Dolezal no doubt has her issues and idiosyncrasies, but, especially if the judgment of the NAACP counts for anything in the matter, I’m pretty sure I’d take her in a trade for Clarence Thomas, Cory Booker, Condi Rice, and five TFA pimps to be named later. Or would Dolezal’s “not even close to being black” mean that she was raised outside of “authentic” black idiom or cultural experience? But whose black idiom or cultural experience would that be? Is there really an irreducible, definitive one? If so, on which Racial Voice blog or Ivy League campus might we find it?

    The essentialism cuts in odd ways in this saga. Sometimes race is real in a way that sex is not – you’re black only if you meet the biological criteria (whatever they’re supposed to be) for blackness. And sometimes, as in Talusan’s failure to distinguish gender from sex typing, gender is “real” in a way that race is not. “Doctors don’t announce our race or color when we are born; they announce our gender.” I assume Talusan is referring to the stereotypical moment in the delivery room. Technically, though, the doctor announces the child’s sex type, not its culturally constructed gender roles. And when exactly does Talusan presume race is determined and by whom? I’m pretty sure that in most of the United States it’s still marked on one’s birth certificate. That’s not the delivery room, but it’s pretty damn close.

    Talusan’s confusion of sex and gender is startlingly naïve. She contends that gender is a “product of a fundamental aspect of our humanity” and that, unlike race, the medieval European invention, gender is a “fundamental attribute” of our existence. But gender is no less culturally constructed than race. If Talusan were a little more curious anthropologically than precocious, she might have noticed that the relation between sex type and gender roles has varied wildly over the history and range of our species. But she, like Jenner, Hugh Hefner, and legions of anti-feminists, among others, naturalizes gender as melded into sex type: “Trans people transition in order to be the gender we feel inside.” For those to whom it seems odd or tendentious to link the naturalizing discourses of some transgender activists and hoary anti-feminism, I recommend Elinor Burkett’s fine rumination on the issue in the June 6 New York Times, titled “What Makes a Woman?”.

    “As is ever clearer and ever more important to note, race politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics.”

    There is a guild-protective agenda underlying racial identitarians’ outrage about Dolezal that is also quite revealing. Nikki Lynette, writing at Red Eye exhorts “Don’t Compare NAACP’s Rachel Dolezal to Caitlyn Jenner.” Why? Because, she contends, Dolezal benefited materially from her self-representation as black. Putting aside for the moment Republican Jenner’s orchestrated payday surrounding announcement and display of transition, this is an unusual charge, one that is counterintuitive in relation to several generations of black American humor and also smacks a bit of right-wingers’ insinuations about whites taking advantage of affirmative action. Nevertheless, like Zeba Blay and others, Lynette rehearses a charge that Dolezal received a full scholarship to the Howard University MFA program on the pretext that she was a black woman. That charge is false; not only was she not admitted as black person (Howard’s applications apparently didn’t require racial identification); reports from faculty and students when she was there confirmed that she was not understood to be black when she was enrolled at the university. See Hillary Crosley Coker, “When Rachel Dolezal Attended Howard, She Was White,” at Jezebel. The charge is what those making it want to be true; they assume it’s true because they understand black racial classification as a form of capital.

    Blay expresses this position most clearly. She objects that Dolezal “occupied positions of power specifically designated for members of a marginalized group.” Blay is referring, in addition to the false accusation about the circumstances of Dolezal’s matriculation at Howard, to her having belonged, while an undergraduate at Bellhaven College, to “a racial reconciliation community development project where blacks and whites lived together.” Blay presents membership in that group as though it were precursor to her having duped Howard out of a fellowship that should have gone to a black woman. To Blay this pattern of duplicity culminated in Dolezal’s “eventually working her way up to president of the Spokane NAACP in 2014.” (Some have included a charge that Dolezal used racial misrepresentation to advance an academic career; an occasional stint as an adjunct instructor, however, doesn’t square with the Iggy Azalea imagery that seems to propel this claim. It certainly would be a skimpy reward for such prodigious self-fashioning.) In Blay’s narrow political universe, the NAACP branch presidency is an honorific to be awarded on the basis of ascriptive categories like race and gender, not the result of effective work on behalf of the Association’s mission and goals. It is especially striking in this regard that a number of those exercised by Dolezal have at least implicitly called for the NAACP to renounce its support of her. Their commitment to arbitrary notions of racial propriety should override the Association’s sense of its own concrete priorities in the actual struggle for civil rights and social justice.

    When all is said and done, the racial outrage is about protection of the boundaries of racial authenticity as the exclusive property of the guild of Racial Spokespersonship. (Blay also, with no hint of self-consciousness, complains that Dolezal’s deception has “hijacked the conversation about race, during a week where the nation was focusing on police brutality in McKinney, Texas.” Not only is that insipid “conversation about race” chatter the equivalent of fingernails on a chalkboard. It seems that Blay hasn’t discerned that the Dolezal issue has captured such attention only because it rankles the sensibilities of those who essentialize race and that no one is making her talk about it but herself.)

    Beneath all the puerile cultural studies prattle about “cultural appropriation” – which can only occur if “culture” is essentialized as the property of what is in effect a “race” [see Walter Benn Michaels, “Race Into Culture: A Critical Genealogy of Cultural Identity,” Critical Inquiry 18 (Summer 1992): 655-685] – “same heritage and social struggles” (I doubt that Nikki Lynette was at Greensboro on February 1, 1960, Ft. Wagner on July 18, 1863, Little Rock in September, 1957, Colfax, Louisiana on April 13, 1873, the 1968 Memphis sanitation workers’ strike, either of the Amenia conferences, or Minton’s Playhouse any time in the 1940s), and Orwellian chatter about privilege and “disprivilege,” the magical power of “whiteness,” etc. lies yet another iteration in what literature scholar Kenneth Warren has identified in his masterful 2012 study, What Was African American Literature?, as a more than century-old class program among elements of the black professional-managerial stratum to establish “managerial authority over the nation’s Negro problem.”

    That is to say, as is ever clearer and ever more important to note, race politics is not an alternative to class politics; it is a class politics, the politics of the left-wing of neoliberalism. It is the expression and active agency of a political order and moral economy in which capitalist market forces are treated as unassailable nature. An integral element of that moral economy is displacement of the critique of the invidious outcomes produced by capitalist class power onto equally naturalized categories of ascriptive identity that sort us into groups supposedly defined by what we essentially are rather than what we do. As I have argued, following Walter Michaels and others, within that moral economy a society in which 1% of the population controlled 90% of the resources could be just, provided that roughly 12% of the 1% were black, 12% were Latino, 50% were women, and whatever the appropriate proportions were LGBT people. It would be tough to imagine a normative ideal that expresses more unambiguously the social position of people who consider themselves candidates for inclusion in, or at least significant staff positions in service to, the ruling class.

    This perspective may help explain why, the more aggressively and openly capitalist class power destroys and marketizes every shred of social protection working people of all races, genders, and sexual orientations have fought for and won over the last century, the louder and more insistent are the demands from the identitarian left that we focus our attention on statistical disparities and episodic outrages that “prove” that the crucial injustices in the society should be understood in the language of ascriptive identity. The Dolezal/Jenner contretemps stoked the protectionist reflexes of identitarian spokesperson guilds because it troubles current jurisdictional boundaries. Even before that, however, some racial identitarians had grown bolder in laying bare the blur of careerism and arbitrary, self-serving moralism at the base of this supposed politics. In an unintentionally farcical homage to Black Power era radicalism, various racial ventriloquists claiming to channel the Voices of the Youth leadership of the putative Black Lives Matter “movement” have lately been arguing that the key condition for a left alliance is that we all must “respect black leadership.” Of course, that amounts to a claim to shut up and take whatever anyone who claims that status says or does. Those of us old enough to remember Black Power and the War on Poverty also will look around to see which funders or employers they’re addressing.

    And, in apparent contradiction of the ontological principle of group authenticity on which the paradigm rests, reprise of the tawdriest features of Black Power hustling isn’t available only to officially recognized people of color. Joan Walsh, apparently having learned the strictures of “white allyship” from being chastened by prima inter pares bourgeois identitarian Melissa Harris-Perry, recently showed the depths of crude opportunism this discourse enables when she race-baited Bernie Sanders as an instrument of her effort to pimp for Hillary Clinton (see her “White Progressives’ Racial Myopia: Why Their Colorblindness Fails Minorities – And the Left”). For Walsh, it seems, black people don’t count among the millions who would be helped by Sanders’s social-democratic agenda, but Clinton, presumably, would show proper respect by hooking them up with a #Blacklivesmatter Facebook like.

    “In addition to the problems of articulating what confers racial authenticity, if what we have read about [Dolezal’s] approach to expressing black racial identity is accurate, she seems to have embraced an essentialist version of being black no less than do her outraged critics.”

    I’ll conclude by returning to the Dolezal/Jenner issue. I can imagine an identitarian response to my argument to the effect that I endorse some version of wiggerism, or the view that “feeling black” can make one genuinely black. The fact is that I think that formulation is wrong-headed either way one lines up on it. Each position – that one can feel or will one’s way into an ascriptive identity or that one can’t – presumes that the “identity” is a thing with real boundaries. The issue of the line that Dolezal, who has now resigned her NAACP position, crossed that made her alleged self-representation unacceptable is interesting in this regard only because it highlights contradictions at the core of racial essentialism. In addition to the problems of articulating what confers racial authenticity, if what we have read about her approach to expressing black racial identity is accurate, she seems to have embraced an essentialist version of being black no less than do her outraged critics. Wiggers do so as well, and we must admit that Dolezal’s performance and apparent embrace of culturally recognized representations of black womanhood rests on an aesthetic purporting to embody respect and celebration rather than the demeaning racialist fantasies that shape the commercial personae of the likes of Iggy Azalea. Moreover, even if Dolezal may suffer from something like racial dysmorphia, the expression of her fixation has been tied up with commitment to struggle for social justice. She may have other personal problems and strained or bad relations with family members, but those are matters that concern her and those with whom she interacts. They do not automatically impeach the authenticity of her feelings of who she “really” is. And I doubt that we’d want to start a scorecard comparing her and Republican Jenner on that front.

    That points to the other way that this affair has exposed identitarianism’s irrational underbelly. The fundamental contradiction that has impelled the debate and required the flight into often idiotic sophistry is that racial identitarians assume, even if they give catechistic lip service – a requirement of being taken seriously outside Charles Murray’s world – to the catchphrase that “race is a social construction,” that race is a thing, an essence that lives within us. If pushed, they will offer any of a range of more or less mystical, formulaic, breezy, or neo-Lamarckian faux explanations of how it can be both an essential ground of our being and a social construct, and most people are willing not to pay close attention to the justificatory patter. Nevertheless, for identitarians, to paraphrase Michaels, we aren’t, for instance, black because we do black things; that seems to have been Dolezal’s mistaken wish. We do black things because we are black. Doing black things does not make us black; being black makes us do black things. That is how it’s possible to talk about having lost or needing to retrieve one’s culture or define “cultural appropriation” as the equivalent, if not the prosaic reality, of a property crime. That, indeed, is also the essence of essentialism.

    The problem the Jenner comparison poses is that, if identity is inherent in us in ways that are beyond our volition, how can we legitimize transgender identity—which is gender identity that does not conform with that conventionally associated with biological sex type—without the psychological stigma of dysmorphia? Confounding of sex and gender is the ideological mechanism that seems to resolve that conundrum. Thus, notwithstanding my earlier suggestion that Talusan misses the cultural fluidity of gender because she is naïve anthropologically, she may also have an important ideological reason to deny it. It is only by treating gender roles as somehow endowed at birth that she can contend that transgender identity is “almost always involuntary.” That is, in the context of essentializing political discourse, gender identity must express a condition as “natural” or inherent equivalent, or prior, to biological sex type. Transgender identity requires being read as in effect “hardwired” only within a normative framework in which access to the domain of recognizable identity deserving of civic regard depends on essentialist claims, and the only way transgender identity can meet that standard is to collapse distinctions between sex and gender – even though that move, as Burkett argues, cuts against the grain of the perspective the women’s movement has fought to advance for at least the last half-century. Nor does this view acknowledge the grave political mischief ideologies of essential human difference have underwritten in not at all distant history, from segregation and other forms legal discrimination and imposition of separate spheres to genocide.

    The transrace/transgender comparison makes clear the conceptual emptiness of the essentializing discourses, and the opportunist politics, that undergird identitarian ideologies. There is no coherent, principled defense of the stance that transgender identity is legitimate but transracial is not, at least not one that would satisfy basic rules of argument. The debate also throws into relief the reality that a notion of social justice that hinges on claims to entitlement based on extra-societal, ascriptive identities is neoliberalism’s critical self-consciousness. In insisting on the political priority of such fictive, naturalized populations identitarianism meshes well with neoliberal naturalization of the structures that reproduce inequality. In that sense it’s not just a pointed coincidence that Dolezal’s critics were appalled with the NAACP for standing behind her work. It may be that one of Rachel Dolezal’s most important contributions to the struggle for social justice may turn out to be having catalyzed, not intentionally to be sure, a discussion that may help us move beyond the identitarian dead end.

    #26408
    joemad
    Participant

    reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry dates a girl he met over the phone named Donna Chang… Jerry thought she was Chinese, but she had shorted her name from Changstein. He was a bit surprised when he actually met her……

    Donna Chang went on to give “Confucius” advice to George’s mother… as she too was fooled by the name.

    “Ya know you’re not Chinese…. that changes everything!”

    #26415
    zn
    Moderator


    White Womanhood Revised

    Brigitte Fielder

    http://avidly.lareviewofbooks.org/2015/06/15/white-womanhood-revised/

    Whatever else we might say about it, let’s not forget this: Rachel Dolezal’s story is a decidedly American one. Here, I refer not only to story of Dolezal’s racial passing, but also to how Dolezal’s story triggers and reveals America’s racial fascinations. Whatever Dolezal’s motives or ethics, our scrutiny of Dolezal’s race echoes a long history of parsing race in the United States more generally.

    Much of the conversation about Dolezal proceeds within long-standing US assumptions about how race “works”: if her biological parents are “really” white people, then so is she, and therefore she cannot be black. While Dolezal is a member of an interracial family, she seems to have no mixed-race African American genealogy, and this is the single deciding factor about her own race. In effect, these assumptions tell us that there is no way for a woman who was born white (i.e., to white parents) to become black. For her to claim blackness, then, is a conscious act of deception.

    But for all the clarity these assumptions provide, they are not the only American story about race and womanhood. Even as Americans want race to be simple and essentialist, American racial ideologies rarely allows it to be. Race, Dolezal’s story reminds us, is connected to the history of racial justice work and interracial collaboration, and complicated by relations of power and privilege. Her story also reminds us how race is connected to not only biological relationships, but also to social relationships. For a scholar of race and nineteenth-century literature like myself, Dolezal’s complex (and confusing) story calls to mind other stories of white womanhood revised.

    Consider how Dolezal’s American Story aligns with this fictional one: Kate Chopin’s 1893 short story, “Désirée’s Baby.” In the story, Désirée, a woman of unknown parentage, is adopted into a respectable white family and marries the wealthy son of slaveholders, Armand Aubigny. When Désirée and Armand’’s baby begins to show signs of being mixed-race, Armand argues that, because the baby does not look white, it is not white. The appearance of Désirée’s baby calls Désirée’s race into question.

    The story teases out the complicated ways “evidence” works in regard to the supposedly objective fact of race. Désirée’s argument (like many of the arguments about Rachel Dolezal’s younger appearance) is that she looks white, so therefore she must be white (and so must her baby). Armand counters with some common knowledge about mixed-race people: although Désirée may look white, some mixed-race people also look white and therefore this fact cannot prove her whiteness. Stipulating the whiteness of the baby’s father (Armand himself) because his family origins are known, he concludes that Désirée must not be white. Of course, the reader is meant to understand another fact about Désirée’s race: when Armand, a wealthy white man, believed her to be white, she was; if he starts believing her race to be otherwise, her whiteness will slip away.

    And, predictably, this is what happens: convinced that Désirée (and her baby) have black heritage, Armand disowns them, throwing them out of his home. But the story does not end there: in its final paragraph, Armand discovers correspondence between his parents that reveals his own mother’s African ancestry, proving that, by his own logic, he is the one who is not white, and one possible explanation for his baby’s mixed-race appearance.

    This story reminds me of Rachel Dolezal’s because both stories present questions about what we can know about race when race is simultaneously complicated by matters of genealogy, appearance, and social relationship.

    Interestingly, Chopin’s story never gives us any “evidence” to prove Désirée’s race. Instead, what we see is that Désirée — because of changing social relationships —effectively becomes a mixed-race woman over the course of this story, as a result of her baby’s racial presentation and her husband’s response to it. Désirée’s body never changes, we learn nothing about her genealogy, but her child’s body and, more importantly, the changing ideas of her white husband and white adoptive parents, changes what her own body means. Chopin’s story shows how US race is, among other things, relational.

    Rachel Dolezal’s racialization, too, is determined by her relationships to other people. Her story would not be half as interesting if she did not have black siblings, a black ex-husband, or a black child, if she did not attend a historically black university, teach African American Studies, or work for the NAACP. The assumptions that these are the relations of a black woman, rather than a white one, contribute to Dolezal’s ability to “pass” as black as much as her appearance does (knowing that the appearance of mixed-race people varies widely.) In a world in which it is possible for a white woman to engage in racial justice work, teach African Americans studies, identify with nonwhite siblings, marry a black man, and bear a nonwhite child, but these relations nevertheless worked to frame Dolezal’s supposed blackness, with a similar logic to that which would exclude white women from participating in them. In light of these relationships, Dolezal’s identification as black raises more questions about “whiteness” — about what white supremacy allows whiteness to be.

    Importantly, people have been asking why Dolezal could not just participate in these various relationships to black people from her position as a white woman. While biological relationships between white and black people have a prominent history of racism, there is also a long history of precedent for white people’s antiracist participation in interracial family relationships in the United States. As the NAACP notes in its official statement on Dolezal, “One’s racial identity is not a qualifying criteria or disqualifying standard for NAACP leadership.” Nor have white people been categorically excluded from racial justice work in other realms.

    Dolezal’s apparent need to claim, then, seems rooted in white supremacist beliefs that have historically framed whiteness as exclusionary of these antiracist relations to black people. Not like Désirée, but Armand, whose own whiteness necessitates a rejection or concealing of black relations, Dolezal’s claim to blackness is also a rejection of whiteness, according to customs of hypodescent which generally categorize mixed-race people as nonwhite.

    The idea that Dolezal’s relations to black people inspired her own racial identification sparks questions about the limitations and definitions of whiteness available. While Désirée’s relationship to her black baby results in a reverberating loop of genealogy that revises her own assumed whiteness, Dolezal’s taking up blackness frames whiteness as unable to contain the relationships she desires.

    One might argue, of course, that this inability is not true, that there are ways for white people to participate in interracial family and community. But dealing with white privilege in interracial familial relationships and allyship is difficult. What difficulties, exactly, might Dolezal avoid through this privileged self-racialzation?

    Racism creates a definition of whiteness that is, itself exclusionary. Under white supremacy, white people are those who not only meet a biological definition of whiteness, but also those who exclude nonwhite people from their racial genealogies in all directions. How do Dolezal’s nonwhite family members factor into the stakes of her own whiteness?

    White supremacy has, historically, excluded white women in interracial kinship relationships from the category of whiteness, making assumptions about white women’s racial relations much like the assumptions that re-racialize Désirée via her baby. These assumptions frame white women as women who belong to exclusively white families, whose sexual desire is oriented only toward white men, who only reproduce white children. Dolezal’s interracial relations – her black siblings, husband, child – remove her from this particular, racist vision of white womanhood.

    This does not, of course, mean that Dolezal is not white. She is not like the mixed-race heroines of nineteenth-century literature by writers like Lydia Maria Child, William Wells Brown, and Frances Ellen Watkins Harper, who discover their African American ancestry while also finding themselves legally enslaved and fully subject to the effects of racism. Nor is she like the countless mixed-race black people who have “passed” as white for their own benefit or safety in a dangerously racist nation. She is not launched into blackness like Désirée, a woman whose race cannot be definitively known but only inferred from her inability to reproduce a white-looking child.

    However, Dolezal’s racialization (whether this self-racialization is ethical or not) suggests an inability to shake the white supremacist vision of white womanhood that Dolezal herself did not invent, but has absorbed from a long American history of white womanhood.

    In the midst of the inevitable continued parsing of Rachel Dolezal’s motives and those of her parents, the implications of Dolezal’s whiteness for her racial justice and educational work, and discussions of the unethical nature of this type of deception and its possible effects on African American people and racial relations, the fact of Dolezal’s relation to white parents will be prioritized. We might also take into account the relations beyond these that have worked to racialize and re-racialize Rachel Dolezal and how these relations to African Americans echo a history of complex, relational racialization, like that enacted by Désirée’s baby.

    #26423
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    In some ways, it’s pretty complex.

    I’m mixed. I pass as white, especially lately because of my medical situation over the last 20 years, but this issue has been near and dear to my heart.

    I’ll try to keep my take brief

    1) True: Race isn’t genetic. There’s not much to add to that. If it were, organ donation would be an entirely different function than it is right now (and there wouldn’t be a worldwide organ trade…).

    2) Race is MORE than just cultural. There are physical characteristics that are intrinsic to the experience, that create exigencies, both create and remove possibilities and fundamentally CHANGE the human experience because those physical characteristics are viewed differently in a cultural AND social context. I am NOT speaking about Eugenics or any other pseudo-science that tries to establish a scientific basis for “race”. Rather, I’m speaking of race as a social and cultural construct based on physical traits and genealogy. Which may sound bad, but is pretty typical. “I’m half <insert “race” here> and one quarter…” How does anyone get to being Scandanavian? Chinese? Persian? Generally, one is born into these cultures. There has been a movement among adopted people to essentially adopt the culture of the parents if they choose. That’s an ongoing debate that I’m not going to get into, just wanted to acknowledge it. And, of course, there are exceptions to all this…which seems to be the focus now.

    3) Race is for the most part assigned. THIS is controversial, but all too true. Many have said in the media that “race is self-identified”. I disagree as I’ll explain later. As a cultural and social phenomena, it’s been a real issue among light skinned African Americans and mixed race Americans who can “pass” for White to be in flux. Some have moved, disavowed family including darker siblings and parents and chosen to pass for white for the many reasons that might be desirable. Others have embraced their “blackness” and struggled with being “black enough” which a different facet of this same discussion. I can see how one can embrace who they ARE. A dark-skinned Sri Lankan may correct someone and say, “No. I’m not black. I’m Sri Lankan,” because black in the Unites States is a euphemism for an entirely different social and cultural grouping. But the key is the really crappy nature of this… externality. Social and cultural assignment is almost by nature external and as such, it’s how others see us. It’s one reason why “inclusive cultures” or cultures without assignment are so sought after by some.

    4) There is just NO comparison to the Transgender community. Plain and simple, a transgender person is living a physically and cognitively disparate reality. Their gender doesn’t match their body. Moreover, their sexuality may OR MAY NOT match their cognitive reality. In other words, a transgender person may understand that they are a male. This person would by definition have a female body. However, if this transgender person is heterosexual, the attraction would be for women. That would put the person in what from the outside looks like a lesbian relationship, but is actually a straight relationship between a woman and a transgender person (obviously the physicality complicates things). This has nothing to do with anyone assigning anything. If a transgender person were teleported to another galaxy, none of their realities changes.

    So, here’s my take in a nutshell. And this is brief for me as you all know.

    I think the woman in question has issues that I won’t even try to deal with.

    I think her individual issues cloud the ability to deal with the larger issues. If one wants to talk about her, it’s important to narrow any discussion to JUST her situation and restrict that discussion to her particular situation.

    I think the genetics, eugenics, science and pseudo-science crowd should seriously shut the fuck up. If Eugenics didn’t die after WWII, we sure don’t need it sparking back up now because someone can read a few scanned papers on Wikipedia.

    I think that because we try to assign mixed race people as ONE race rather than allowing mixed race people to be mixed, there are going to be problems. I’ve life experience in this area and I REALLY wish we could address mixed race people as MIXED while at the same time allowing for INCLUSION into their “component communities”. Thus, like me, I’m part White, a quarter Black and some part Native American. I see this not only for me, but for my kids. My youngest daughter clearly LOOKS mixed and she isn’t considered white by most people. My eldest daughter looks white and is considered white. My daughter doesn’t really have the choice to just go out into the world and say “I’m white. I’m black. I’m Native American. I embrace all of these,” and have them embrace her back. Well, the Native culture would and does. The black community is a mixed bag. It’s…complicated. The white community? Not so much. It’s pretty binary, a person either IS or IS NOT.

    Thus, because of this, because of the mixed race dilemma which shouldn’t be the entirety of this discussion or define this issue, there is no definite answer. Well, there is and it’s inclusion… but that’s of those who are mixed and essentially create difficulties and exceptions for the basic assignations for the various cultures.

    I do think the construct of race is more than just culture. The various common physical traits, whatever they may be, are an inextricable PART of that culture. Moreover, whether positively or negatively (usually negatively…let’s be honest), cultural and social assignations are NOT a matter of checking a box. Take our President. He’s half white. He could choose to say he’s white. He was raised by his white mother in Kansas along with his white grandparents. However, the social norm would be to say that he “looks” black, thus unless there’s a correction, he’s black. The President could check all the boxes he wanted, but it would be folly to seriously entertain him “embracing his Whiteness”.

    Yes, there is a part of this that’s exclusionary with respect to white and it frustrates me to no end. As in the story posted above, there’s a purity aspect that creates a “white or other” rather than “white AND other” mentality.

    For most of my life, I’ve struggled with self-assigning only to be rudely informed externally that, NO…., the outside… was taking care of that. As I’ve shared before, I’ve never “felt white” because I could see what the white experience looked like and got to experience most of it, but didn’t feel it internally. Plus, I’ve had store detectives follow me and people ask me in a tone that wasn’t positive, “you’re part black, aren’t you?” So, I’ve struggled with this issue my whole life.

    I will use this example as a counter for those positing that folks can self-assign. Young African-American males absolutely can NOT self-assign as young white men. If “race” were TRULY something that could be self-assigned, young black males in poor neighborhoods all across this country could avoid profiling from police departments by self-assigning as white if they chose. They could improve their credit (the racist polices of the banking industry is pretty well known. My wife has a higher credit score than I do because I check “other” for my race and she checks “white” even though she has no income), they could make it easier to obtain housing and to get into college.

    NONE of these things are options. Moreover, when the police looks at a young heavily melanin enriched American male… he’s likely profiled as being black, dangerous and a criminal. Thus, the farther this discussion goes from being academic and enters into the real world… to getting a home loan (a bank could sue you for checking the wrong box…try making that self-assignation argument in court. I wouldn’t), to dealing with law enforcement (the police department sure doesn’t seem to take much stock in self-assigning), to dealing with the job market… we see that self-assigning is ONLY about the meaningless gesture of checking the box. If it weren’t, a person could just say, “I’m white! Don’t shoot!” and as blatantly racist as that is, they could probably save their life in certain situations where especially black men are killed without a second thought. Buying a toy gun comes to mind…

    So that’s it. We KNOW that race is a construct. And? Short of homogenization which I think would be horrible in just about every way possible, we’re left with all of these different cultures masquerading as “races”.

    Ultimately, the way out will be when we learn that there’s ONE human race and that there are thousands of cultures that are different. Some are born into, some are entered into and hopefully we get to the point where none are assigned based on physical features.

    By way of exception, here’s Josh Blue, comedian and African American. (American citizen born and raised a good chunk in Africa)

    Here’s Barack Obama, President and of mixed race (white mother and black father)

    Josh Blue jokes about being an African American. And while technically he IS an African American in the literal sense, he’s not part of that culture. He’s a damned funny comedian and his take on it is hysterical and I’d recommend a google of him because it’s worth it.

    The only thing about this that really frustrates me is that the self-assigning advocates are going to great lengths to not justify Rachel Dolezal’s deception, but to somehow validate the question she raises. Bullshit. If this is really about the work she was doing, was it not possible to do it in her former guise? Could she not do it without the subterfuge? If not, then that’s an issue for the NAACP and the African American community to look at. I know it’s not true as an absolute because my grandfather who’s Native American and Pennsylvania Dutch was one of 14 founding members of the Easton, PA chapter of the NAACP in 1942 and the only “white” man of those founders. So, the NAACP is not and has not been an exclusively black organization. I don’t believe it has become LESS inclusive since 1942.

    So, again the question, is it about the work or the guise? Because if it was about the work, my grandfather did work for the NAACP as a white man in 1942 married to a black woman raising mixed kids. He went on to work quite a long time for Bethlehem Steel, not exactly a bastion of tolerance. She could have done the work she did as she was. Moreover, I don’t see any serious effort to discredit her work (then again, I haven’t gone looking for it). I see her deception being called out. Thus, if it’s about the guise, then deception to be part of any community or culture is just false. She can say she’s black all the live long day, but at the end of the day, she can go back to being white and check another box.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #26431
    bnw
    Blocked

    She’s a fraud but less so than that MA politician who claimed to be a native american.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #26439
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Well, not to quibble…but I’m gonna a little.

    Elizabeth Warren…I think that’s to whom you’re referring, has a common issue… because of the rampant racism and outright genocide of native peoples in this country including the various schools where children were forbidden to speak their native tongues and had their hair cut, forced to convert to Christianity, etc… many just don’t KNOW their heritage.

    In many instances, they know OF their heritage and it remains an oral tradition.

    Is it accurate in all cases? No. Especially once “the system” started writing things down and registering all the Native Americans, it has only been recently that people have WANTED to go back and GET registered. For many decades, people have not gotten registered unless they were born on a reservation because of the stigma.

    So, some of that is a function of our national history.

    Now, is it possible that she’s not Native American? I suppose. It’s possible that her parents told her something incorrect or that there was a misunderstanding at some point and something got communicated improperly.

    However, and this is important… at NO POINT has Elizabeth Warren ever tried to pass for a Native American, tried to access Native American benefits (not that I’m aware of, anyway) or made claims to speak for Native peoples or even tried to claim any access to the Native American experience. The ONLY thing I’ve heard her say (and I’ve listened to her a LOT because I enjoy listening to the only person in Washington with the balls to speak truth to the banks in plain, simple English) is that she believed that she had Native American heritage.

    How that makes Elizabeth Warren MORE of a fraud than Rachel Dolezal who changed her race and lied about her family as a means to create legitimacy for working for the NAACP (which to my mind is pretty damned racist. It means SHE thinks you have to be black to work on behalf of the advancement of black people so she essentially went 21st Century blackface… which is pretty fucked up, imho)

    One not about Ms. Dolezal. I have no qualms with her change of appearance, per se. People try to fit in all the time and in all sorts of ways. It may have been a little skeezy if she was trying to pass as black, but never actually said she was black to anyone and always told everyone she was white and just got the benefit of the doubt from people because of her appearance. Like I said, cultural assignations and all. But, living within a culture that people are born into means being inextricably part of it. Rachel Dolezal can’t ever be black because she could always walk away. Heck, a dye job and a lighter base concealer and she could do it in a day.

    I guess what I’m saying is that Rachel Dolezal purposefully sought to deceive, the essence and definition of fraud.

    Nothing about Elizabeth Warren’s references to her Native America heritage sought to deceive. People find out they are incorrect about their heritage until the day they die and we find out things about their heritage long after they are gone. If she’s wrong, it should be the end of it.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #26444
    bnw
    Blocked

    This is interesting because I wrote from a different perspective. I see Warren as a greater fraud since she committed it for personal gain for votes and getting another box checked to further cement her affirmative action status in her job whereas Dolezal worked towards the betterment of the people she claimed to be one. Yes Doleful has a job but one that targets working for that community. To me I view it as less egregious.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #26496
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    See, I don’t live in MA, but I’ve followed Elizabeth Warren pretty closely since her first stuff started going viral and the emails went out to recruit her to run for office.

    I haven’t perceived any of her mentions as seeking to “gain votes” or any of that. I’ve heard her political opponents characterize these mentions as such, but that was some really crass and just plain terrible human being stuff. I mean Scott Brown’s campaign manager, iirc, proudly participated in a rally where people openly mocked not just Elizabeth Warren (which is perfectly fine in our current political climate. I think it debases us all as a people and lessens our ability to govern ourselves, but it is what it is and it’s “fair” insofar as the current system, anyway), but they openly mocked ALL Native American peoples… proudly… unabashedly. It was sickening. It only got worse when they just kept defending being openly racist as if because Elizabeth Warren *might* be uncertain about a part of her heritage in which she makes no significant claims and hasn’t informed her ideals, principles or beliefs, that uncertainty all of a sudden gave the Scott Brown campaign carte blanche to be openly racist not only towards Elizabeth Warren, but to all Native Americans.

    I’ll say this. As with MANY indigenous populations that have eventually been integrated into the now predominant society, for those that weren’t eradicated by all out genocide, it would be unusual for the predominant society to allow for a prideful retention of culture and heritage. Saladin was an UNUSUAL conqueror in that respect in that he allowed the conquered peoples under him to retain their language and heritage. History is not replete with men like that. Thus, it is not unusual, neither in the US or abroad for individuals, even if they KNOW that they have Native ancestry to either not be able to register due to lack of documentation or simply to know only by the oral tradition. Again, because of the stigma of registration during the integration period usually accompanied by some sort of segregation or social or outright caste system.

    As for Rachel Dolezal, I can’t really address her too in depth because I don’t know her work. I can’t impeach her work, for example, because I don’t know if she sought to use her personal experience as a witness for change. If so, then the basis for her work would be a lie. Not the work, itself, but how she went about it. That’s just an example, I dunno how she went about doing the work of that NAACP chapter.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #26506
    bnw
    Blocked

    I hope for people like yourself that Warren has her ancestry traced by DNA analysis to justify your support.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #26508
    zn
    Moderator

    I hope for people like yourself that Warren has her ancestry traced by DNA analysis to justify your support.

    It wouldn’t make any difference to me one way or another. To me that’s just political smear campaign stuff by the other side. It rallies them, to us it;s meaningless. Efforts to make it sound meaningful just sound more meaningless.

    Again, IMO, none of this is about “facts,” in the end. Your beliefs will not be shaken by facts, nor will Mack’s. It has to do with principles, ideas, convictions, beliefs. If this issue died with Warren, her opponents would just try and find a new one, whether fabricated or real. That;s just the nature of the soccer fan brawl that is politics.

    #26516
    bnw
    Blocked

    I hope for people like yourself that Warren has her ancestry traced by DNA analysis to justify your support.

    It wouldn’t make any difference to me one way or another. To me that’s just political smear campaign stuff by the other side. It rallies them, to us it;s meaningless. Efforts to make it sound meaningful just sound more meaningless.

    Again, IMO, none of this is about “facts,” in the end. Your beliefs will not be shaken by facts, nor will Mack’s. It has to do with principles, ideas, convictions, beliefs. If this issue died with Warren, her opponents would just try and find a new one, whether fabricated or real. That;s just the nature of the soccer fan brawl that is politics.

    Then crass politics of personal and party gain trumps veracity. Very sad since she could still say she was mistaken for the reason Mack gave.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #26517
    zn
    Moderator

    I will use this example as a counter for those positing that folks can self-assign. Young African-American males absolutely can NOT self-assign as young white men. If “race” were TRULY something that could be self-assigned, young black males in poor neighborhoods all across this country could avoid profiling from police departments by self-assigning as white if they chose. They could improve their credit (the racist polices of the banking industry is pretty well known. My wife has a higher credit score than I do because I check “other” for my race and she checks “white” even though she has no income), they could make it easier to obtain housing and to get into college.

    NONE of these things are options. Moreover, when the police looks at a young heavily melanin enriched American male… he’s likely profiled as being black, dangerous and a criminal. Thus, the farther this discussion goes from being academic and enters into the real world… to getting a home loan (a bank could sue you for checking the wrong box…try making that self-assignation argument in court. I wouldn’t), to dealing with law enforcement (the police department sure doesn’t seem to take much stock in self-assigning), to dealing with the job market… we see that self-assigning is ONLY about the meaningless gesture of checking the box. If it weren’t, a person could just say, “I’m white! Don’t shoot!” and as blatantly racist as that is, they could probably save their life in certain situations where especially black men are killed without a second thought. Buying a toy gun comes to mind…

    Well, Mack, and this should come as no surprise, that was as good as any of the essays I posted.

    It is a powerful and complex topic.

    Race is not biologically real. But it is historically and culturally real. And yes the experience of someone who cannot pass as white is far, far different from someone who is white passing as black.

    You captured all that very well IMO. I have nothing to add but appreciation. It’s like a great post from 2004-5, back in the heyday.

    #26527
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Bnw, I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, “the problem is that politics is the gamesmanship of policy. Thus, it has become pornography for polite society, a contentious matter that makes it all too easy to focus on the politics rather than the policy.”

    I’m fairly well equipped to discuss economic policy with anyone who’d like to do so, short of someone who insists of delving into economic minutiae for the sake of being pedantic and obtuse. I’ve held my own with Ph.Ds and people who’ve worked at the Fed, for example.

    Discussing economic policy, in this case Elizabeth Warren’s takes on things like Too Big to Fail, Corporate Fiscal Responsibility, defining Free Market as Fair Markets are all things that are pretty easy for me at least to get pretty deep into the weeds on. I understand her position AND I understand why she scares the shit out of the big money guys.

    I’m also VERY clear that the politics of her situation has absolutely nothing…N.O.T.H.I.N.G. to do with her policy positions. I mean, of course, it has everything to do with it, but the politics surrounding her are about personality, not policy. The reality for her is that she has chosen among the richest, most powerful, most VESTED interests in the world with a parasitic hold on our treasury and thus, every government function. So, I’m not the least bit surprised that the attacks directed toward Elizabeth Warren are personal rather than directed at her policy stances.

    The Banks currently borrow money from the government FOR FREE and lend it out on credit cards at 24.99% APR? More in some cases? Not including fees and charges? Even with losses on some accounts, that’s a helluva business. There’s a reason the banks have been showing record profits during this downturn. And they continue to have every reason to continue to be coy and come up with reasons to embrace uncertainty so that Congress and the President and Governors and State legislatures will bend over backwards for them to “convince” them that they NEED to start lending. And we all know an uncertain loan is a risky loan and those are more expensive…

    So, I GET why they are coming after her, especially because she’s about the only person in all of Government with the ganas to so flagrantly speak the truth (the other would be Bernie Sanders) about the corruption and exploitative measures taken by the Big Banks.

    Which just makes the attacks against her “politics as usual”.

    Are they real? No.

    When I evaluate a candidate, I listen to what they say and then evaluate what they’ve actually done. I don’t look at party, race, gender, religion or favorite team (although, to be quite honest… of all my biases, I probably would have a hard time dealing with a hardcore Pats fan… because if someone hardcore embraces a cheater…that SAYS something about that person that I’m just not down with…other than of course, unrepentant violent criminal, but you don’t see too many of those running for office these days…). What I look for are policy and principle. Plain and simple. Period. Alliteration and all.

    So, does it make any difference if Elizabeth Warren makes a statement that part of her heritage is Native American? No. As long as she is not “self-assigning” as Native-American and trying to essentially do what she’s been accused of doing, of course not. Is it a problem if she’s wrong? No. LOTS of people have been wrong and for reasons like I’ve mentioned. This is common and it is an inherent issue with the FACT that the US engaged in genocide against the indigenous peoples of this land and has broken (most) every treaty it made with Native peoples here AND abroad.

    Would I feel ANY different if Scott Brown had mentioned that he were part Native American? Not at all. Frankly, the two most common things I hear these days when someone describes their heritage is “I’m part Irish” and “I’m part Native American”. Now… I BELIEVE the Irish part. I really do. When it comes to Native heritage, I think some folks are just misinformed by family who’ve gotten bad oral information. Oral traditions aren’t what they used to be. That said, unless someone is trying to falsely stake some authoritative claim based on this assertion of heritage or claim a right or restricted privilege, then it really doesn’t bother me.

    The bigger and real issue is that as a society we value politics over policy and that’s just bad for everyone. We see the destructive nature of that more and more every day.

    Oh, and by way of PS, people should be careful with the party labels with a few of the folks in Washington on both sides. It was Elizabeth Warren who led the charge in defeating TPP, much to President Obama’s chagrin. Which is a damn good thing because part of TPP and TiSA are reciprocal agreements that companies can sue countries for losses if rules in one country cause losses in another. Now, in the media, people have focused on environmental and wage concerns and those are big deals, but let’s go even more extreme. In one instance, let’s say a multinational has access to slave labor and wants to relocate a division to the US using that same slave labor. They’re even willing to relocate the slaves and build housing and everything. Under current US law, that’d be ridiculous. Under TPP and TiSA, that company could sue and that agreement would supercede our laws. So, just like most companies incorporate in Delaware, companies could import slavery.

    In another VERY REAL and extreme case, a company could move your data to a country with few data restrictions. They could then either then sell your data, your metadata and or your transaction data and there’s nothing you could do about it. Worse, a company could outright deny they did it while reaping huge profits through a foreign subsidiary and it would all be totally legal under TPP and TiSA. And Elizabeth Warren has been one of the FEW people in Congress to stand up to President Obama against this and rallied support to stop it. If NAFTA was bad… and even NAFTA’s early supporters have acknowledged that NAFTA hasn’t done what was promised…then TPP is NAFTA on megadoses of steroids with a roofie at the bottom of the glass.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #26528
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    I will use this example as a counter for those positing that folks can self-assign. Young African-American males absolutely can NOT self-assign as young white men. If “race” were TRULY something that could be self-assigned, young black males in poor neighborhoods all across this country could avoid profiling from police departments by self-assigning as white if they chose. They could improve their credit (the racist polices of the banking industry is pretty well known. My wife has a higher credit score than I do because I check “other” for my race and she checks “white” even though she has no income), they could make it easier to obtain housing and to get into college.

    NONE of these things are options. Moreover, when the police looks at a young heavily melanin enriched American male… he’s likely profiled as being black, dangerous and a criminal. Thus, the farther this discussion goes from being academic and enters into the real world… to getting a home loan (a bank could sue you for checking the wrong box…try making that self-assignation argument in court. I wouldn’t), to dealing with law enforcement (the police department sure doesn’t seem to take much stock in self-assigning), to dealing with the job market… we see that self-assigning is ONLY about the meaningless gesture of checking the box. If it weren’t, a person could just say, “I’m white! Don’t shoot!” and as blatantly racist as that is, they could probably save their life in certain situations where especially black men are killed without a second thought. Buying a toy gun comes to mind…

    Well, Mack, and this should come as no surprise, that was as good as any of the essays I posted.

    It is a powerful and complex topic.

    Race is not biologically real. But it is historically and culturally real. And yes the experience of someone who cannot pass as white is far, far different from someone who is white passing as black.

    You captured all that very well IMO. I have nothing to add but appreciation. It’s like a great post from 2004-5, back in the heyday.

    Those were some good times…

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #26559
    zn
    Moderator

    What messes up race discussions a lot, it seems to me—and Mack gets at it very well I think—is the false idea of symmetry.

    Race things are not symmetrical. Very good example: saying you’re proud of being white does not have the same meaning as saying you’re proud of being black.

    Passing is a different experience too, as Mack makes abundantly clear.

    It’s the same with gender, though in different ways. There’s no real or valid “men need to stand up and defend their rights” statement that makes the same kind of sense, at all, as a woman saying the same thing about women.

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