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  • #42152
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    from off the net

    Kind of Blue/Gold

    Scouting profile – Zierlein NFL.com (comped with Matt Ryan – I would absolutely take that, if looking at Wentz being a McNair doppleganger for Fisher, Goff may be for Ryan in the case of Snead – who was with ATL when they drafted him, and he has had success since, probably would have done a lot better without such a bad OL and defense in recent years).
    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/jared-goff?id=2555334

    Goff “holds serve” at Cal pro day
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000645575/article/cal-qb-jared-goff-held-serve-in-proday-workout

    Goff heads combine risers – Brooks NFL.com
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000640517/article/jared-goff-heads-combine-risers-noah-spence-connReuter:%20Goff%20confirms%20draft%20status%20at%20combineor-cook-fall

    Matt Waldman Boiler Room #15 film scouting breakdown Going Deep with Jared Goff (VIDEO 5 minutes)
    RSP Boiler Room No.15: Going Deep With QB Jared Goff

    Boiler Rom #29 Jared Goff and Pocket Presence (VIDEO 10 minutes)
    RSP Boiler Room No.29: QB Jared Goff & Pocket Presence

    Highlights
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TcwdHWD3YU%5B/quote%5D

    #42156
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    Cal QB Jared Goff has skills, NFL-ready talent to warrant being Rams’ No. 1 pick

    JACK WANG

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/goff-712427-wentz-nfl.html

    ——–
    HOT READ: JARED GOFF

    Arm strength: Enough to work with, but not a standout trait
    Accuracy: Particularly impressive under pressure, against single coverage
    Speed: Not a burner, but pocket presence may be unmatched
    Intelligence: Effective late in progressions, can throw receivers open
    Leadership: Took a bad Cal program from 1-11 to eight wins
    As far as college quarterbacks go, Jared Goff is not among the most decorated.
    ———
    He racked up gaudy numbers, but did so in an Air Raid-styled spread offense. He was never in serious discussion for any major national awards and had to share his All-Pac-12 first-team nod this past season. He finished with a career record of 14-23.

    None of that, however, should prevent the Rams from drafting him No. 1 overall over North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz at the end of this month.

    “I went into every game thinking I’m the best player on the field,” Goff said last summer. “Because I think you have to.”

    He was reflecting on his 2013 debut at Cal, when he became the first true freshman quarterback in program history to start a season opener. That first campaign in Berkeley was miserable, with the Golden Bears winning just a single game under new coach Sonny Dykes.

    But to those who would knock Goff for not being a “winner,” consider this: The 21-year-old is already mentally prepared for the hardships of an NFL transition. He is unlikely to see his confidence shaken by even the worst losses, unlikely to be fazed by the pressure of being anointed the savior of Los Angeles pro football.

    He also checks off several other boxes, having improved his passer rating by double digits in every season. CBS Sports’ Dane Brugler and NBC Sports’ Josh Norris both rank the Bay Area product as the more attractive prospect, as does Sports Illustrated’s Chris Burke. Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller said in a recent radio appearance that he would take Goff over Wentz “without a doubt.”

    Even NFL Network’s Mike Mayock, who prefers Wentz for his tools and upside, has called Goff the “most ready-to-play quarterback in this draft.”

    “You just don’t see very often college quarterbacks who have his ability both mentally and physically,” Brugler said. “His ability to throw guys open, that passing anticipating. You saw that a little bit with Jameis Winston, but he brings something different to the table – something that projects very well to the NFL level.”

    Of course, it’s easy enough to find those on the other side of the aisle, too. Wentz is still the favorite to go No. 1 on a litany of mock drafts, including one from Cris Collinsworth that predicted the Rams’ blockbuster trade a month before it was finalized.

    The case for Wentz is simple enough to understand. The Bismarck, N.D., native stands at 6-foot-5 and 235 pounds, giving him an inch and 20 pounds over Goff. He can heave the ball downfield like no other prospect in the draft, whereas Goff’s arm strength is only good, not great. In terms of NFL quarterback builds, it’s hard to find a better prototype than Wentz. Goff, on the other hand, has been dinged for 9-inch hands and his relatively slim frame.

    But Wentz also presents more question marks, the least of which is the fact that he faced inferior competition at an FCS program. Plenty of other quarterbacks have flourished in the NFL despite their small-school resumes: Delaware’s Joe Flacco, Northern Iowa’s Kurt Warner and Alcorn State’s Steve McNair all come to mind. Jeff Fisher was also the Houston Oilers coach when they drafted McNair third overall in 1995, which sets some precedent for the Rams to take another risk.

    The issue is that taking Wentz would almost certainly mean more risk, compounding the one that the Rams already took by trading six draft picks to the Tennessee Titans earlier this week. Fisher and General Manager Les Snead are both entering the final year of their original contracts. As much as they insist that the pick will be about the long-term future, it’s difficult to imagine their job security not factoring into the decision.

    And what Goff lacks in pure physical tools, he could make up with timing and accuracy. He didn’t play in a pro system at Cal, but the Bears’ coaching staff entrusted him to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage based on how he read the defense. And although he often had four receivers lined up, the quick decision-making required of him should translate to the next level. Goff also threw 1,568 career passes, more than double Wentz’s 612.

    Concerns about Goff’s frame may also be overblown. He was able to put on significant weight through his college career, and could add another 10 or 15 pounds as a pro. While he may not absorb big hits as well as Wentz, his fine-tuned pocket presence could help him avoid those hits in the first place.

    “I always want to go out there with something to prove,” Goff said at the NFL scouting combine. “I always have a chip on my shoulder and I always want to go out there and prove people wrong, prove people right, whatever it is.”[

    #42159
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    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/04/08/draft-pff-debate-should-the-browns-draft-jared-goff-or-carson-wentz/
    PFF Debate: Wentz or Goff the better QB prospect?

    Senior analysts Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson debate the top QB prospect in the 2016 NFL draft.
    PFF Analysis Team | 3 days ago

    Once again, the Cleveland Browns find themselves in a position to draft a new quarterback at the top of the NFL draft.

    In our second PFF Debate of the 2016 draft season, senior analysts Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson discuss, debate and ultimately disagree on the superior QB prospect — Cal’s Jared Goff or North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz?

    [Editor’s note: Looking for more on the NFL draft? Check out our 2016 NFL draft guide, loaded with scouting reports, signature stats and much more.]

    Sam Monson: Well, can we start with arm strength? Carson Wentz makes Jared Goff’s arm look weak. In terms of arm talent, it’s not even a conversation.

    Steve Palazzolo: I think you’re getting a little extreme when describing Goff’s arm. He has plenty of arm to make the necessary throws, but he does run into issues when he has to reset quickly — some of his passes will die. Either way, he makes up for it with quick decision-making and a quick release.

    Monson: The arm talent thing is less an indictment on Goff’s arm, which I agree is fine (but just fine), and more an endorsement of the physical tools that Wentz has.

    People talk about the QB they’d draw up if they had access to Frankenstein’s lab (they don’t put it in those terms, but we all know they’re dying to go full-on mad scientist), and when they piece it all together it looks a lot like Wentz.

    Big guy, solid frame, howitzer for an arm, athletic enough to be useful and big enough that you don’t worry about every shot he takes. Goff doesn’t really have any of that.

    Palazzolo: There’s no doubt that Wentz “looks the part,” and that’s a big part of his appeal. But he’s lacking in some of the areas needed to succeed at quarterback at the next level. His timing is simply not good in the passing game, often late with his reads, and that’s a big area that needs to be ironed out. When I watch Goff, I see similarities to the best QBs in the game — pocket movement, firing through his reads, accuracy. I’ll take those elements of Goff’s game over the size and the big arm.

    Monson: I think what we’re really talking about in this debate is how ready they are to play Day 1, right? I agree Wentz needs to speed up his reads, but at least he’s working through them and has them at all. You can’t say that for several QBs in this class. I’d be more concerned if he wasn’t working through them at all, and never getting to No. 2 or No.3 in the progression.

    I think Goff may be more ready to start Day 1 because of what you’re saying, but the X-factor there is what Wentz can do with his legs. Washington made RGIII super effective in the first year because of what he could do with his legs, buying him time in essence to learn on the job as a passer. Sure, it ended pretty badly for him, but Wentz is significantly bigger than RGIII and can take more of a pounding as a runner. He could probably also be taught to actually slide when necessary in a way RGIII never accepted. Either way, that additional ability to boost the run game could be enough to get Wentz in the game and develop his passing tools in game situations.

    Palazzolo: I’m not seeing pocket mobility from Wentz — maybe he develops it, but the things we’re asking Wentz to develop are scary ones: timing, pocket mobility, downfield accuracy. If he can figure those out, then he’s potentially great, but that’s where we start the risk/reward discussion. What are the chances that he does improve in all of the necessary areas?

    I believe Goff is more NFL ready. That said, he’s certainly no finished product. He’s still young — only a true junior — and he continues to add bulk every year. We could easily see him improve his arm as he fills out. I also love his quick mind in the passing game, that will always be there for him at the next level.

    Monson: I think that’s the key. If we were debating Wentz against a far more flawless product, I’d be all for him being drated as the second quarterback in this class, but Goff has enough warts that I’m drawn to the guy with the bigger upside. Neither guy is a sure thing — both could probably use some time on the bench (that they probably won’t get) to learn and shape some of their rough edges.

    Given that, I think you go for the guy who has monster upside and a proven upward trajectory in his career arc. I think a smart team can protect Wentz early with scheme and still play to his strengths while he develops. If he does smooth out those rough edges, we’re looking at a guy with sky-high potential.

    Palazzolo: Looking at Cleveland specifically, the Browns should take Goff. While the upside is tempting, there are few common traits that all good quarterbacks share and Goff has them. I think he’s still on the upswing of his career and he already moves around the pocket, reads defenses, and throws with accuracy like an NFL QB. He’s the QB I’m hitching my wagon to long-term.

    Monson: If you’re the Browns, I say you take Wentz. He may take a little bit more work from a schematic point of view in terms of starting from Day 1, but they hired a QB guy in Hue Jackson for a reason. Give him the best tools to work with and trust he can help him reach his potential. He’s the guy I’d take. And I think for once, the Browns may not be able to go wrong regardless of which guy they pick.

    Agamemnon

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    Who’s better: Carson Wentz vs. Jared Goff?

    Russ Lande debates who is the better quarterback

    vid link: http://www.usatoday.com/videos/sports/nfl/draft/2016/04/15/83078600/

    #42176
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    MMQB

    Inside the Film Room With… Jared Goff

    While he was on the wrong side of the scoreboard, the Cal quarterback showed the subtleties and savvy of a future franchise QB during last season’s loss at Stanford. Just weeks before the draft, he broke down the game film for The MMQB

    by Andy Benoit

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/12/jared-goff-california-film-study-nfl-draft

    to break down his college film.
    The Cal-Berkeley campus is a medley of Beaux Arts buildings, meandering creeks, foot bridges, stone paths and hippies of both old and modern ilk, all climbing up toward the Berkeley Hills. Nestled in there, right about where the Golden Gate Bridge becomes visible off in the distance, is Memorial Stadium. Inside are Cal’s football offices, where Jared Goff stops in on an early spring day.
    Goff, 21, has spent his life in the Bay Area sports scene. His father, Jerry Goff, played Major League Baseball from 1990 to ’96 and his mother Nancy, like Jerry, attended Cal. Coming out of Marin Catholic High, where he won three Marin County Athletic League championships, Jared Goff turned down scholarship offers from Stanford, Boise State and Fresno State to join the hometown Bears.
    And so it’s no surprise that the night before our visit, Goff, attending the Warriors-Pelicans game at Oracle Arena, was ambushed by fans chattering about the quarterback-needy 49ers, who hold the No. 7 pick in this year’s draft.
    Hometown factor aside, Goff to the Niners makes sense. After all, new coach Chip Kelly’s spread system is very similar to the one Goff ran under Sonny Dykes at Cal. But few are concerned about what offense Goff fits in. Though he comes from Cal’s newer-age spread, he exhibits all the traits of a prototypical dropback passer. And that’s how he sees himself. Asked if he could maybe be a part-time read-option QB, in the mold of say a Ryan Tannehill or an Alex Smith, he quickly says no, before pausing. “I mean, I’ll move around if I have to,” he says. “I’ll extend the play and run the ball if I need to. It’s not a preference, but I can do it.”
    What sets Goff apart is his handle on the crucial nuances of quarterbacking: moving gracefully and incrementally within the pocket; keeping eyes downfield when pressure bears down; and making throws with bodies around him. This, along with NFL-caliber arm strength and accuracy, was on full display in Cal’s game at Stanford last November. It was a loss for the Bears but a well-quarterbacked game that offered several scenarios Goff will encounter this fall and for the rest of his football life.
    Goff enjoys breaking down film. For the next hour, that’s what he does.
    * * *
    “This is a quads-left look.” Goff says. It’s the fifth play of the game and first that we watch. “We call this play 44 sucker, Z drag. So, we’re running that bubble trying to get them to jump on it with a pump fake—and they almost did. They were in good man coverage. I actually got their slot defender to jump it, but they had a safety over the top, so it was a kind-of dangerous throw. So I just checked it down.”

    http://cdn-s3.si.com/images/Goff-A.gif

    MORE AT THE LINK (WHICH IS FULL OF GIFS): http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/04/12/jared-goff-california-film-study-nfl-draft

    #42196
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    I just watched Gruden’s QB Camp. First was Wentz, second show was Goff.

    I liked Wentz. I get the Big Ben comparison now. It’s fairly accurate. He looks like a lumberjack playing QB. Had a lot of enthusiasm on the show. I didn’t like the “ball upside down” thing he does sometimes, though.

    I have no issues with Goff, but he just seems “not as tough”. Hell, I don’t know how to explain it. He’s probably another Tom Brady for all I know. Maybe I just don’t like the name Jared.

    Anyway, both looked good.

    Gruden, however, I could do without.

    Here’s the upside down ball thingy.

    Carson

    #42201
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    I just watched Gruden’s QB Camp. First was Wentz, second show was Goff.

    I liked Wentz. I get the Big Ben comparison now. It’s fairly accurate. He looks like a lumberjack playing QB. Had a lot of enthusiasm on the show. I didn’t like the “ball upside down” thing he does sometimes, though.

    I have no issues with Goff, but he just seems “not as tough”. Hell, I don’t know how to explain it. He’s probably another Tom Brady for all I know. Maybe I just don’t like the name Jared.

    Anyway, both looked good.

    Gruden, however, I could do without.

    Here’s the upside down ball thingy.

    Carson

    he’s gotta be tough though. he had to deal with a poor offensive line but always hung in there. great in front of pressure.

    whatever they choose i hope they choose right. i want them to nail this pick like they nailed the donald pick.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    #42206
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    Wentz, Goff lead deep quarterback class

    By Lance Zierlein

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000652690/article/2016-nfl-draft-wentz-goff-lead-deep-quarterback-class?campaign=tw-nf-sf24536685-sf24536685

    While the 2015 NFL Draft had bigger names at the top of the quarterback board in Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota, the 2016 class offers more overall potential and much greater depth in the middle rounds.

    Carson Wentz and Jared Goff have received a lion’s share of the pre-draft attention, but Paxton Lynch displayed flashes at his pro day, showing why he belongs inside the first round as well. This year’s group also contains productive SEC starters, a 2015 national champion, and the highest-ranked quarterback from the 2013 recruiting class.

    While NFL teams still like to find quarterbacks with experience in a pro-style attack, the reality is that fewer and fewer prospects will have that background. Size, poise, accuracy, and intelligence are still the positional traits that most teams will covet regardless of the scheme a quarterback comes from.

    Here’s a glance at the 2016 draft’s QB class:

    Teams with greatest need

    Cleveland Browns
    Dallas Cowboys
    San Francisco 49ers
    Los Angeles Rams
    Denver Broncos

    Top 5 players

    1. Carson Wentz: Still in developmental phase after just two years at an FCS program, but has the mental and physical building blocks of a future, franchise quarterback.

    2. Jared Goff: His accuracy and decision making will suffer from occasional lapses, but he displays the tools to become a good starting quarterback with time.

    3. Paxton Lynch: While he has the physical tools to start right away, a team who is willing to allow him to sit and study his craft for a year could reap maximum rewards in the future.

    4. Connor Cook: Cook flashes the potential of an NFL starter, but he has the makeup of game manager over playmaker.

    5. Christian Hackenberg: Hackenberg’s tools, intelligence and experience under center should make him an eventual starter, but his boom-or-bust potential could either get a coach an extension or fired.

    Sources Tell Us

    “Wentz really blew us away at the combine when we met with him. Talent is a big component, but these guys have to have intangibles if they are going to lead franchises, and he’s got them. I don’t care where he played, he understands the game and it isn’t too big for him.” — AFC team executive

    Most overrated

    Dak Prescott: I don’t agree with the masses when it comes to Prescott being the sleeper at the position. A sharp increase in his short game passing attempts helped to skew some of his data in a more favorable light, but there were still issues with some of his intermediate throws and with getting through his progressions. I love his size and football character, but I see him as a career backup, not as a starter in the NFL.

    Most underrated

    Jacoby Brissett: Brandon Allen could fit in here, but he’s getting more love nationally. Brissett gets the occasional side-eye before people move to the next quarterback, but that might be a mistake. Despite facing enormous pass rush for consecutive seasons, Brissett still found ways to fight through the pocket noise and make plays. He has NFL size, an NFL arm, and experience under center. With an ability to extend plays with his feet and throw on the move, Brissett offers a skill-set that matches up with what teams look for in today’s game.

    Boom or bust

    Christian Hackenberg and Cardale Jones: In many ways, these two quarterbacks are the same guy. Both quarterbacks have ideal NFL size and booming right arms that can leave your jaw agape. Of course, half the time your jaw is hitting the ground in awe while the other half it is hitting the ground because of their wild inaccuracy on the simplest throws. Accuracy issues are extremely difficult to correct, which creates a low floor for both, but the talent and traits give them “boom” potential.

    Sleeper alert

    Mike Bercovici: Sleep away, but Bercovici can sling the ball around the yard. He is small by NFL standards, but similar in size to Rams quarterback Case Keenum. Bercovici has Keenum’s quick release but a much bigger arm and the mobility to extend plays outside of the pocket. If he gets drafted at all, it will be late, but there is something there for an NFL quarterbacks coach to work with.

    Follow Lance Zierlein on Twitter @LanceZierlein.

    #42213
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    How Cal is developing Jared Goff into the next great NFL quarterback hope

    By Sean Wagner-McGough | Staff Writer

    September 11, 2015

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25297136/how-cals-jared-goff-became-nations-top-nfl-quarterback-prospect

    BERKELEY, Calif. — Jared Goff runs a no-huddle offense called the Bear Raid, slings more than 40 passes a game and takes nearly every snap from the shotgun. But Cal’s quarterback isn’t just another overhyped college signal caller who puts up gaudy numbers against college defenses only to fail at the next level.
    Goff, a 6-foot-4 junior, is built for the NFL.

    “If you could design a quarterback,” says Cal head coach Sonny Dykes, “it would look a lot like Jared Goff.”

    Since winning the starting job as a true freshman in the summer of 2013, Goff has started every single game for the Bears, completing nearly 62 percent of his passes for roughly 7,800 yards and 56 touchdowns. But in Goff’s tenure as Cal’s starter, his defense has been gouged for more than 40 points per game. In 25 starts, Goff has ran off the field a winner just seven times.

    Despite that ugly fact, Goff might just be the top pick in the 2016 NFL Draft. Goff, like Aaron Rodgers before him, has a shot at superstardom.

    “He’s got that calmness,” says Mazi Moayed, his former coach at Marin Catholic High School. “We’d say, ‘Hey, he’s got the Joe Coolness.’ He has that gift.”

    But a gift is empty unless it’s harnessed.

    Start with the right system

    Before examining the skills that make Goff a top prospect, it’s important to understand the system that Goff has functioned within since debuting two years ago. Under the guidance of Dykes and offensive coordinator Tony Franklin, Cal runs a system nicknamed the Bear Raid, a modified version of the Air Raid.

    The main difference between the Bear Raid and Air Raid — systems that are both based out of the shotgun and frequently feature three to four wide receivers — is the former’s desire to run the football. Though he hasn’t made it happen yet at Cal, Dykes maintains that he wants to establish a 50-50 run-pass balance. Dykes arrived at Cal at the same time as Goff, and in their first two seasons together, the Bears’ run-pass ratio hovered around 43-57.

    Regardless of the play calling, two aspects of the system remain true: It’s fast and it’s simple.

    Instead of huddling, the offense turns to the sideline, where players and coaches signal each position group’s role for the next play. By running no-huddle, Cal consistently tires out opposing defenses over the course of four quarters.

    The simplicity of the system isn’t so obvious. The easiest way to explain the Bear Raid is by calling it a progression-based system rooted in concepts. Translation: Goff is asked to read defenses on every snap.

    “We go through our progression, we throw it to the guy who is open or we run the football,” Franklin says.

    At the core of the offense are nine passing concepts, five or six screen concepts and five or six running concepts.

    “When you learn the concept, you understand the word,” Franklin says. “So when you say ‘sluggo,’ immediately your brain says ‘OK, sluggo means this. It means my eyes start here, there’s a player going there and I’m bam, bam, bam, one, two, three.’ So most of us, within a two-week period, can learn those concepts, they can master that in their brain.”

    That doesn’t mean that Cal is running only 20 different plays throughout a game. Each concept can be tagged to add a slight variation. A tag, in the words of Franklin, is just a “word that changes something that somebody does.” That something could be the route of a receiver or the protection scheme of the offensive line.

    During our conversation, Franklin says that if I were his starting quarterback, I could learn the offense tomorrow. But when Franklin gives me a specific example to illustrate his use of concepts and tags, I begin to seriously doubt that.

    “I could run ‘north’ and I could run ‘sluggo X,'” Franklin says. “So in [Goff’s] brain, if I said ‘north sluggo,’ he knows that it’s a high-low read for him. It’s a high-low and then to a checkdown. If I tag ‘X’ … if I go ‘sluggo X,’ he knows now that his eyes have to start opposite of the X (receiver). He knows now that he’s high, middle, low — rather than high, low, middle.

    “So take the same concept and I could go, ‘north on pop sluggo X.’ So now, I’ve added four words because I’ve changed the offensive line protection with my play call. So it could be as easy as ‘north sluggo.’ End of story. Or it could be ‘north on pop sluggo X Z takeoff.’ I could keep adding. But in his brain he still keeps going ‘sluggo is a high-low concept.’ It’s a concept-based deal. So he learns a concept, then I can make an adjustment in a game that we might not have ever repped. If I tag it, he’ll know it.”

    Got all that?

    “It may look like to the defense that it’s a different play,” Franklin says. “To us it’s the same play. It’s just somebody did something a little different.”

    Evolving from guessing to knowing

    Even on running plays, the quarterback is required to read defenses, regularly deciding pre-snap whether to hand the ball off or flip to a passing play. That decision, which is based on the alignment of the defense, is sometimes made at the exact moment the ball is snapped if the defense changes its look at the last second.

    “I’ll call an average of 85 plays per game,” Franklin says. “And probably 75 to 80 of those plays will have multiple possibilities of what he can do.”

    Goff realized this as soon as he arrived on campus in the spring of 2013 and immersed himself in the offense.

    “We run a lot of run/pass stuff, where we have a run play and a pass play on at the same time — screens or outs on the backside of run plays,” Goff says. “The most difficult part for me was deciding when to run and when to pass, because I had never done that before.”

    It didn’t always go well. While Goff stopped short of saying he was guessing his first season, he acknowledged that he had difficulty learning how to read a defense. His teammate and friend, tight end Raymond Hudson, has a better way of framing Goff’s initial struggles.

    “He used to be very bad, even when we played Madden,” Hudson says in between laughs. “He was just one of those guys. I’d do something and he’d have no clue what the coverage was or anything. He was always asking.”

    Franklin weighs Goff’s decision making in terms of percentages, saying that Goff made the right decision probably 60 to 70 percent of the time in his freshman season. Last season, Franklin says Goff made the correct call 80 percent of the time. This year, Franklin expects Goff to be right about 90 to 95 percent of the time.

    Goff also makes judgment calls once the play is already in motion. For instance, when the team runs a play called “four verticals” (Dykes once said they run four verticals 40 times a game), which is just a fancy way of saying “go long,” some of Cal’s receivers are allowed to break off their routes based on the coverage. If a wide receiver cuts off his streak mid-route, both Goff and his target have to be on the same page while the play unfolds.

    Franklin attributes Goff’s progress to game and practice reps, but it goes beyond that.

    “Occasionally in class you’ll see him peeking at his iPad, just watching some film. He’s always got his head on football,” Hudson says. “Now, he’s got it all down. He knows everything.”

    Cut the QB loose

    Goff’s newfound knowledge of the game grants him the right to put that knowledge to use.

    As a freshman, Goff could only make minor changes at the line of scrimmage. If he saw a particular coverage, he could modify a receiver’s route, commonly known as a “hot route.” Even last year, that was the full extent of Goff’s freedom.

    “All he had to do was run what I called,” Franklin says. “And then his options were usually really simple, as to whether or not to hand it off to this guy or to throw it to that guy.”

    Now?

    For the first time in his career, Goff can change anything and everything he wants at the line of scrimmage. From routes to the protection scheme, he can call whatever he wants.

    “I trust him with my job,” Franklin says. “When you’re letting a guy do that, then you’re putting it all in his hands.”

    About a week before Cal’s season opener, I watched Goff at the line of scrimmage during practice, wondering if he had transformed into college football’s Peyton Manning. It wasn’t as demonstrative as that. Goff doesn’t stand at the line and bark out signals for 20 seconds. His changes are much more subtle and infrequent, but when there are issues with the play, he recognizes them quickly and makes the necessary adjustments.

    On one specific play, just prior to the snap, the defensive line shifted to Goff’s right. Goff responded by gesturing to his running back on his right. He called for the snap and almost immediately a free rusher shot up the A gap. But the running back, knowing full well where the rush was coming from, picked up the defender. Meanwhile, Goff, with his eyes still downfield, spotted the mismatch. He lofted a pass 30 yards down the right sideline. His receiver didn’t break his stride.

    “One thing that I like about him is he doesn’t go overboard with it,” says wide receiver Bryce Treggs. “Sometimes you give a quarterback some freedom and he’ll just completely run his own offense and change the whole system. He doesn’t abuse his authority. He stays within the scheme of our offense.”

    Focus on the feet, not the arm

    Goff might not mirror Manning before a play begins, but once the ball is snapped, there’s at least one aspect of Goff that might draw comparisons to the NFL’s all-time touchdown leader. Arguably the strongest asset at Goff’s disposal is his footwork, which resembles Manning’s feet on Sundays.

    “I try to pride myself in having really quick feet and being able to set up and throw balls in time,” Goff says. “Having my feet be as good as I want them to be can get me out of a lot of problems when I’m in the pocket and stuff starts to break down. There’s rarely ever a perfect pocket.”

    When Goff maneuvers inside the pocket, his feet bounce up and down off the turf. Franklin calls this “Peyton Manning feet,” adding that they frequently watch film of Manning.

    “We get our feet as hot as a typewriter,” Franklin says. “We’re always able to move and find a throwing lane because we’re always having our feet hot like a typewriter.”

    n the clip above, taken from the first game of Goff’s sophomore season against Northwestern, you can see just how quick and short Goff’s steps are, which is something that Franklin emphasizes because it allows Goff to release the football at a moment’s notice.

    “Manning will move from the A gap to the C gap feet — feet hot, hot all the time, typing all the time. He can throw the ball back across the field because his body position is perfect,” Franklin says. “Guys who step have to wait until the foot lands before they can throw the ball.”

    Though Goff is by no means a running quarterback, one of his most underrated qualities is his ability to extend plays behind the line of scrimmage, which is a skill that Franklin attributes to Goff’s footwork.

    Franklin typically spends a portion of practice putting his quarterbacks through a series of footwork drills while the team works on kickoffs. There’s one drill in particular that Franklin runs with his quarterbacks.

    The six of them line up in rows of three, so that each quarterback is across from another, separated by no more than a few yards. One row of quarterbacks holds the footballs. Franklin then spews out verbiage that sounds like a foreign language to me. The quarterbacks nod.

    “Hit!” Franklin commands.

    The three quarterbacks holding the footballs toss them across to the other three, who put their feet to work, lightly bouncing around in each of their imaginary pockets, scanning a field filled with made-up targets and defenders. They repeat this drill over and over, with Franklin changing the play call every few reps and the quarterbacks adjusting their footwork and eye level to correspond with the call.

    All six quarterbacks are quick on their feet, but Goff’s reach another level.

    “His feet and pocket presence are amazing,” Treggs says. “Whenever he needs to throw the ball, he’s ready. He doesn’t need to set his feet. They’re already ready to throw.”

    Be on time with one’s weapons

    Treggs and the coaches rave about Goff’s footwork, but many of his receivers only see the final result of his footwork, leading some of them to conclude that Goff’s accuracy is his strongest weapon.

    “Man, that pinpoint accuracy that he’s got is deadly,” says wide receiver Kenny Lawler.

    “You just turn your head and the ball is always right there,” Hudson says. “We’re never being thrown into hits, he’s always leading us away … He throws it to wherever they’re not.”

    They’re not wrong.

    Two years ago, Goff completed 60 percent of his passes. Last year, that number rose to 62 percent. Both Goff and Franklin want his completion percentage to land somewhere in between 66 and 70 percent this season. Keep in mind that Goff often unloads deep bombs throughout the course of the game, which undoubtedly lowers his percentage.

    A mainstay of Cal’s offense is the fade. Receivers like Lawler, who Dykes nicknamed “Vicinity Kenny” due to his uncanny ability to make catches on balls thrown anywhere within his general vicinity, typically find a way to come up with catches in the corner of the end zone. While Cal’s receivers garner their fair share of attention for the dozens of circus catches they’ve hauled in over the past couple seasons, Goff also deserves credit for seemingly always placing the ball in a spot that only his receivers can reach.

    “People think I make it look easy,” Lawler says. “But, man, it’s really easy because of Goff. We have our timing down and he knows exactly where the ball needs to be at the exact right time.”

    Goff’s timing didn’t come immediately. According to Treggs, when Goff was a freshman, “a lot of his throws were late, overthrown and behind us.” But when I asked Treggs about Goff’s best attribute now, he pointed to his timing.

    “He can make all the throws,” Dykes says. “He’s a guy that can throw the comeback and the cross-the field-routes, and all those things — he’s got that kind of arm.”

    Know your flaws

    Goff isn’t a finished product — he’s 6-foot-4 but could benefit from bulking up. He has his weaknesses, namely his impatience and decision making.

    “Sometimes I try to force it,” Goff says. “I try to do more than I can.”

    Against UCLA last season, Goff cost his team a win when he tried to force the issue. With less than a minute remaining in the game, the Bears trailed by just two and had the ball on UCLA’s 36 yard line. On 2nd-and-7, Cal called “four verticals,” hoping to target an inside receiver and pick up the 10 yards or so required to turn a long field goal attempt into a makeable kick. Instead, Goff was baited by UCLA cornerback Marcus Rios, who initially showed press coverage on Lawler on the outside but then backed away.

    It worked. When Goff lobbed the ball down the sideline, Rios played the ball so well that he looked like Goff’s intended receiver on the play. Rios picked off the pass and UCLA burned the final seconds remaining on the clock.

    If Goff had simply thrown the ball away, the Bears would’ve had another shot at getting the yards needed to attempt a game-winning field goal.

    Franklin frequently emphasizes a quarterback’s touchdown-interception ratio. If Goff’s ratio is 9-1, Franklin says they’ll be a championship caliber team. If his ratio is 7-1, they’ll be really good. If it’s 5-1, they’ll be slightly better than average. Any less than that and Cal will struggle to win.

    Last year, Goff’s ratio was exactly 5-1, as he tossed 35 touchdowns and seven picks. Cal went 5-7, missing out on a bowl game by just one win.

    Answer the critics

    Eventually, another issue will enter the conversation, as it does with every college quarterback coming out of a system other than a pro-style offense. It happened with Marcus Mariota this past year and it’ll happen with Goff whenever he declares.

    He never had to run a huddle. He never had to take a snap from under center.

    Franklin thinks those concerns are stupid.

    “Most little league coaches can teach it in about five minutes,” Franklin says.

    Furthermore, shotgun and spread concepts are utilized more and more in the NFL these days. This past May, Jared Dubin broke down just how much the NFL is transforming into a spread offense league. In the 2014 season, 80 percent of all snaps were taken in single and empty backfield formations, 59 percent of all snaps were taken with at least three wide receivers on the field, and 61 percent of all snaps were taken in the shotgun.

    I’m not sure if Franklin read Dubin’s article, but it sure sounded like he had.

    “It’s a joke,” Franklin says of those criticisms. “All it is, honestly, it’s for a bunch of guys that are NFL guys that want to talk about what it was like in 1931 when they played.”

    Dykes offered a similar answer.

    “I don’t how handing the ball off in the I-formation necessarily makes you a better quarterback at the next level,” Dykes says. “But people seem to believe that for some reason.”

    Goff also dismissed the notion.

    “I think that’s overdone a little bit,” Goff says. “I mean, Marcus Mariota was the second pick in the draft and plenty of people must have wanted him. And he was running the spread offense in college. There are plenty of examples. I could go on for days.”

    Stay present before the college career sunsets

    At this point, asking Goff if he’s turning pro is pointless. When I pose the question toward the end of our interview, he gives me the kind of answer you’d expect.

    “I’m not thinking about it at all,” Goff says. “I want to leave Cal with a winning legacy. I don’t want to be a quarterback that has all these stats but didn’t win a lot of games.”

    Speaking with his coaches and teammates won’t lead to any clear answers either. But when I ask Franklin about the freedom he now gives Goff at the line of scrimmage, he slips up.

    “Next year,” Franklin says, “whoever the quarterback is, probably won’t be doing that because they will have had hardly any experience.”

    Wait, so does that mean you think Goff is leaving?

    “I mean, obviously, we want what’s best for him, whatever that is,” Franklin says. “If he’s the first pick in the draft, then he’d be crazy to hang around here.” (Of note, our draft experts peg Goff as a top-5 pick in their latest mock drafts.)

    Franklin’s referring to Berkeley, where Goff made his college football debut two years ago under the lights of Memorial Stadium.

    “I’ll never forget the sunset that was going on,” Goff says. “The sunset was just incredible that day. It was crazy. Berkeley always has those, but that day in particular.”

    That night, only the result of the game was at stake. Now, when Goff leads the Bears onto the field, it’ll be more than just a win on the line. This fall, Goff begins his bid to be the first quarterback taken off draft boards this April. That is, if he opts to leave Cal for the NFL.

    “Man,” Lawler says after an evening of practice, grinning and shaking his head as he considers the possibility of playing his senior season without Goff. Directly in front of him, the sun begins to set over the stadium. “I hope not.”

    #42215
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    gotta watch this clip. unbelievable. his movement skills in the pocket. the escapability. ridiculously quick release.

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch

    this article was probably already posted somewhere, and i missed it.

    one thing i found interesting is goff was not put on an upper body weight training program while at cal. his offensive coordinator says he could easily get to 230 pounds in 2 years.

    #42216
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    gotta watch this clip.

    Probably these are already posted too but why not do them again.

    #42217
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    so going back to comparing him to bradford.

    loved bradford, but i think it’s fair to say that one legitimate criticism of him was his lack of pocket presence. i mean he had little to no awareness about what was going on around him. at college, he rarely had to deal with defenders in his face. that’s one of goff’s strengths. that video clip shows time after time. goff sliding left to right moving up in the pocket to buy himself time and space. and that release is wicked. just fires out of his hands. and let me say this. like bradford he is very underdeveloped. bradford was a skinny kid, but after that shoulder surgery he bulked himself up to 236 pounds. he currently plays at around 225 pounds. i think goff could easily get to a playing weight of 225 pounds. it should help him take a beating. but also. i think it could add some arm strength in the process if he can strengthen his core. he’s only 21 years old. doesn’t turn 22 until august. so he hasn’t really been close to filling out yet. and as i said before he wasn’t really doing much weight training in college. and it should also be noted that his arm strength was already pretty good. in fact he threw the ball 58 mph behind only lynch. the record is 60 mph. so his arm strength is there.

    i’m gonna go on record as saying i think goff will be better than bradford. in fact. he might be the greatest 9″ handed qb in the history of the game… ha!

    #42221
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    Agamemnon

    #42222
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    http://gbnreport.com/
    April 18, 2016 – 10:07 am

    Ten days to go until draft … Hard to believe there are just ten days to go until the start of the 2016 draft. In fact, this is the last week in which teams can have out of town prospects in for for on-site visits with the Thursday the actual final day for such visits. and while nobody really believes Los Angeles haven’t yet decided on which player they will select with the newly-acquired #1 pick overall – no one is going to trade the passel of picks the Rams gave Tennessee for the top pick if they don’t know who they want – the Rams will have both Carson Wentz of North Dakota State and Cal’s Jared Goff, the two top-rated passers in this year’s draft, in for visits this week. More likely the Rams are just milking having the top pick for as much publicity as they can get having just moved back to Los Angeles and plan to keep up the suspense until they actually get on the clock next Thursday. Meanwhile, the most curious move of the week was the fact that Dallas owner/GM Jerry Jones and a contingent of Cowboy’s officials including head coach Jason Garrett were in California over the weekend working out Goff. For the record that it is the second time Jones and the Cowboys have gone west to work out Goff which in itself is almost unprecedented that a team works out a guy twice. The timing is also curious in that the trip appears to have been rather spontaneous after LA made the deal with Tennessee presumably to take Wentz. Also for the record, while neither Jones nor anyone else in the Cowboys’ organization commented publicly on Goff’s workout, the rumor mill suggests they came away impressed. So what’s up with the Cowboys. Who knows at this point! It could just be Jerry Jones being Jerry Jones or the Cowboys doing some final due diligence just in case Cleveland passes on Goff with the 2nd pick and he’s still there at #4. But that’s a lot of due diligence! It is also hard to imagine the Cowboys would even consider moving up a couple of spots to take Goff with Tony Romo still around, but Cleveland is believed to be wavering o taking him themselves and there are teams like the 49ers and Eagles out there believed to be also interested in Goff. As the old proverb says: may you live in interesting times! Have a great day!

    Agamemnon

    #42226
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    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/thomas-on-football-sizing-up-qbs-wentz-and-goff/article_aa351b12-816a-5c51-b422-f842c079f237.html

    Thomas on football: Sizing up QBs Wentz and Goff
    By Jim Thomas St. Louis Post-Dispatch Apr 16, 2016 (1)

    For the second year in a row, it looks like quarterbacks will go first and second in the NFL draft, thanks to the Rams’ bold and risky trade up to No. 1 overall.

    But will it be Carson Wentz of North Dakota State going No. 1 overall? Or California’s Jared Goff?

    Interestingly, the edge among most draft analysts seems to go to Wentz as the best QB in the draft. But in the immediate aftermath of the trade, the Rams seem to be dropping hints that they’re leaning toward Goff. If that turns out to be the case, that leaves Wentz at No. 2 overall for Cleveland — or anyone who might trade up to that spot.

    “Beauty’s in the eye of the beholder,” said ESPN draft analyst Todd McShay, who personally gives a slight edge to Wentz in his quarterback ratings.

    “The skill-sets are different, the personalities are different, the backgrounds are different, the competition’s different,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “And that’s what makes it such a challenge.”

    Wentz is a bigger, thicker prospect at over 6 feet 5 and nearly 240 pounds. Even though Goff bulked up during his pre-draft training, he remains a thin 215 pounds at 6-4. Remember, too, he’s the guy with the small hands, which in theory can lead to more fumbles.

    Goff inherited a horrible program at Cal and helped bring it back to respectability with eight victories in 2015. Wentz stepped into an FCS powerhouse and helped keep it going, leading the Bison to their fourth and fifth national championships in a row during his two seasons as a starter.

    Goff played in the high-powered Pacific-12 Conference, starting 37 games and setting 30 school records at Cal. Wentz had only 23 college starts, missing eight games last season with a broken wrist. NFL draft guru Gil Brandt is among those who feel that at least 30 college starts is preferred for an incoming NFL quarterback, so lack of starting experience is a minus for Wentz.

    Goff has quicker feet in the pocket, but Wentz is more athletic and has more scrambling ability. He ran 4.7s in the 40 at the NFL Scouting Combine, which is moving well for someone his size at his position.

    Wentz has the stronger arm but some feel Goff is more natural in the pocket. Wentz played in a pro-style offense and has plenty of experience under center; Goff played in an air-raid offense at Cal, a spread system in the shotgun.

    So mull all that over and make a multi-million dollar decision.

    “Wentz is a big, physical guy,” said Rick Venturi, the former Rams assistant coach who now works the media side as an NFL draft analyst based in Indianapolis. “He reminds me of Andrew Luck, only from Dakota. Andrew had better numbers in the overall workout (coming out), but they’re not substantially better. This is a big-old kid that can get out of trouble.”

    But what about the level of competition? Wentz had only one start against major-college competition — versus Iowa State. So the Senior Bowl was a big stage for Wentz, an opportunity to display his wares surrounded by major-college talent.

    “Everything I saw on film was confirmed at the Senior Bowl,” said Russ Lande, the former Rams scout who now doubles as an NFL draft analyst and is college scouting director for the CFL’s Montreal Alouetttes.

    “I love Wentz,” Lande said. “I think he’s got every tool you could ever ask for. Obviously, if he played at a Michigan or USC you’d feel even better about it. Does a great job playing within a traditional offense. He lines up under center a ton. This kid’s got all the tools to be a frontline starter.”

    Even though he played at a lower level of college football, because of that experience playing in a pro-style offense Wentz could be more NFL-ready than Goff.

    And as McShay points out, “No one, starting with Tim Couch, no one has come from that (spread) system and had sustained success in the NFL.”

    Which is food for thought in considering Goff. But the California offense did incorporate some West Coast principles, which could ease his transition into the NFL in terms of quick decision-making and accurate short and intermediate throws.

    “Goff may not be as purely gifted in terms of size and athleticism,” Lande said. “But I think as a quarterback he’s a little bit more naturally instinctive in terms of pocket presence, avoiding the rush.”

    No matter who the Rams take, Cleveland is expected to take a quarterback at No. 2 overall, even after signing former No. 2 overall pick Robert Griffin III earlier this offseason.

    “It’s going to be fascinating to watch what goes down in Cleveland,” NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah said. “The quarterback position hasn’t been solved in so long, why not give yourself another shot at it?”

    In other words, draft either Goff or Wentz — whoever’s available after the Rams pick — and bring him in to compete with RGIII for the starting job.

    “So you’ve got RGIII, who I believe is only 26, and you draft one at No. 2 in this draft, and man, you increase your chances that you’ve got yourself a quarterback going forward,” Jeremiah said.

    The theory seems sound. But you never know with the Browns.

    Agamemnon

    #42230
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    The QB dilemma is actually pretty simple.

    Find out whom the Browns want. And take the other guy.

    Guaranteed to get the better player that way.

    #42231
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    “The skill-sets are different, the personalities are different, the backgrounds are different, the competition’s different,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “And that’s what makes it such a challenge.”
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    How are the ‘personalities’ different?

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    #42234
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    i wonder if dallas knows in advance who the rams will pick.

    i’m actually starting to think goff should be the pick.

    #42235
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    “The skill-sets are different, the personalities are different, the backgrounds are different, the competition’s different,” Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. “And that’s what makes it such a challenge.”
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    How are the ‘personalities’ different?

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    “According to Mike Mayock, Carson Wentz is a Dora the Explorer guy whereas Jared Goff is said to favor Hello Kitty.”

    #42237
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    whatever they choose i hope they choose right. i want them to nail this pick like they nailed the donald pick.

    Oh wow. Dare to dream. Like a never ending glass of great beer. That would be amazing.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #42238
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    i’m gonna go on record as saying i think goff will be better than bradford. in fact. he might be the greatest 9″ handed qb in the history of the game… ha!

    Why all the talk about his 9 inch hand? He can throw the ball great. Perhaps those hands translate to better snap retention?

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #42239
    bnw
    Blocked

    The QB dilemma is actually pretty simple.

    Find out whom the Browns want. And take the other guy.

    Guaranteed to get the better player that way.

    lol So true.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #42240
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i’m gonna go on record as saying i think goff will be better than bradford. in fact. he might be the greatest 9″ handed qb in the history of the game… ha!

    Why all the talk about his 9 inch hand? He can throw the ball great. Perhaps those hands translate to better snap retention?

    yeah it probably means nothing. there’s even an article which claims there’s no relationship.

    “According to Mike Mayock, Carson Wentz is a Dora the Explorer guy whereas Jared Goff is said to favor Hello Kitty.”

    probably that wentz is more of a midwest gets his kicks out of hunting trips stay at home fellow.

    and goff is probably more of a california boy whatever that means. i did read somewhere that goff likes to listen to taylor swift.

    • This reply was modified 8 years, 7 months ago by Avatar photoInvaderRam.
    #42242
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    i’m gonna go on record as saying i think goff will be better than bradford. in fact. he might be the greatest 9″ handed qb in the history of the game… ha!

    Why all the talk about his 9 inch hand? He can throw the ball great. Perhaps those hands translate to better snap retention?

    yeah it probably means nothing. there’s even an article which claims there’s no relationship.

    “According to Mike Mayock, Carson Wentz is a Dora the Explorer guy whereas Jared Goff is said to favor Hello Kitty.”

    probably that wentz is more of a midwest gets his kicks out of hunting trips stay at home fellow.

    and goff is probably more of a california boy whatever that means. i did read somewhere that goff likes to listen to taylor swift.

    I like hunting trips and I’m at home during the growing season and I like T. Swizzy too!

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #42295
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    #42431
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    Ron Jaworski breaks down the strengths of both Jared Goff and Carson Wentz and who has the edge at the quarterback position. (2:15)

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15303806

    #42435
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    Louis Riddick breaks down why he has draft prospect Jared Goff going No. 1 over Carson Wentz in his 2016 mock draft, saying that he has “a lot more faith” in him than others do. (1:03)

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:15303510

    #42439
    Avatar photozn
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    from off the net

    Merlin

    They had Goff’s coach on Sirius today

    Right off the top they asked him what he felt was Goff’s greatest strength and the answer really surprised me: he said it was how much better Goff was every time he saw him after a layoff.

    They discussed that for a little while and he mentioned that year to year he made leaps and bounds after the season, with significantly notable improvement, and that it was after he came back after his freshman season and offseason that the coaches looked at each other and noted that they really had something special in him.

    #42440
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    Former Cal Offensive Coordinator Dispels Myths Regarding QB Jared Goff

    Brent Sobleski , NFL Analyst Feb 25, 2016

    Former Cal Offensive Coordinator Dispels Myths Regarding QB Jared Goff

    Incorrect narratives can completely warp the perception of an NFL draft prospect. Cal Golden Bears quarterback Jared Goff serves as this year’s primary example.

    Over the course of the last two draft processes, the Minnesota Vikings’ Teddy Bridgewater and Tennessee Titans’ Marcus Mariota experienced this problem when multiple inane knocks surfaced regarding their respective games and personalities.

    Who could forget Bridgewater’s skinny knees? Or the fact that Mariota “not having any red flags was a red flag,” according to one NFL head coach and general manager, via ESPN.com’s Brett McMurphy.

    The predraft process is designed to discover a prospect’s problem areas before an organization invests millions into the league’s incoming talent. But the same process can go overboard and project things that aren’t present.

    Nothing as outrageous as the circumference of a knee or how being so good is actually a bad thing has reared its ugly head regarding Goff (so far), but certain misnomers still exist regarding the general perception of his skill set even after there’s been enough time to fully digest his game.

    The primary negative narrative surrounding Goff deals with the system in which he played and how it’s viewed as it pertains to translating to the next level.

    Concerns regarding Goff extend beyond the Golden Bears’ spread system, too. His frame (6’4″, 215 lbs) and slight stature continually come into question. Arm strength, or lack thereof, always becomes a talking point. The fact Cal wasn’t hugely successful during his three seasons in Berkeley can even be used as a slight.

    All of these things can and will be used against Goff when discussions arise about his viability as the top quarterback in this year’s draft class and his potential as a franchise-caliber talent.

    In order to build a better understanding of Cal’s offense and Goff, Bleacher Report went right to the source and discussed both with the Golden Bears’ former offensive coordinator, Tony Franklin.

    Franklin originally recruited the skinny quarterback from Novato, California, in Sonny Dykes’ first year as Cal’s head coach.

    During their three seasons together, Goff was a three-year starter, set 26 school records, broke the Pac-12 single-season records in passing yardage (4,719 yards) and passing touchdowns (43) and took Cal to its first bowl game since 2011.

    Franklin discussed exactly what was expected of his quarterback in an interview before he left Cal to be closer to home as Middle Tennessee State’s new offensive coordinator.

    Bleacher Report: When Goff declared as a junior entrant to the NFL draft, I found it unique that you put out a press statement at the same time. In it you said, “I hope Jared gets lucky and ends up with one of the few coaches in that league who recognize a skill set and develop it, rather than the one who only criticizes his collegiate experiences and attempts to make football a much more complicated game than it really is.”

    Why did you feel it was necessary to put that out there for everyone to read?

    Tony Franklin: As a college coach and former high school teacher for 16 years, I think there is an elitist status in the NFL where they look at their game as something comparable to curing cancer and only a few people can understand it.

    When I watch NFL film—and I frequently do—I see a game that is no different than college. The only difference is how you teach it. There are a couple of ways to teach it. I think you teach it in a manner of how someone learns. Or you can try to make something incredibly sophisticated or complicated in a long-winded teaching method.

    If you’re a good teacher, the goal is to make things simple to the point where your students can be successful.

    There’s just some form of an elitist attitude. It makes me sick to my stomach when I hear an NFL coach say, “These college coaches don’t teach these guys anything anymore. It takes me three years to get all of the bad stuff out of them.”

    Basically, what they’re saying is anything that is wrong or negative can be traced back to college or high school. Anything that is good is because they’re such a genius.

    I believe in the exact opposite. The best teachers and coaches are high school coaches. The second best are college coaches. And I think the worst are in the NFL.

    Every time someone comes out and is productive, the first thing they say in the NFL is he’s a product of the system. Why is that bad? Why is it bad to be productive in a system that produces points and moves the ball? As an offensive coach, this is what you’re supposed to do.

    If you do this, why is it a negative thing? It doesn’t mean it makes these young men NFL players.

    My understanding is somewhere between 2 and 3 percent of Division I players have a chance at playing in the NFL. Why should you create a system that is only to help the NFL be better when 97 percent never play at the next level?

    The objective is win games, have fun, score points and be something people want to come and see.

    B/R: At its core, the NFL isn’t a developmental league. Have you ever had former players come back and say, “I didn’t receive a chance because I was considered too much of a project” or anything along those lines?

    TF: The NFL is a talent league. If you have enough talent for what they’re trying to do, they’ll give you an opportunity to be successful.

    I think it’s interesting in the NFL that a lot of the same franchises are always successful, while other franchises are always unsuccessful.

    It falls on having good people. Good teams have good coaches. Bill Belichick has gone through so many offensive coordinators. It doesn’t really matter who is there, they’re going to be really good, because he’s the best coach in the league. You never hear them griping about players coming from certain systems.

    All he does is take guys who are good human beings with physical skills, and he develops them into good football players.

    I believe this to be true of other franchises that are successful.

    Sure, it takes some guys longer to develop than others. This isn’t any different from the college level.

    B/R: When many look at the Air Raid—or Bear Raid—offense you helped craft over the years, it’s often referred to as a check-with-me offense with simple reads and throws. How do you react to those claims?

    TF: First of all, I hate when people call our deal the Air Raid. I don’t like it. It all goes back to a time when there was an offense called the Air Raid. If you ever coached with anybody in that, people take credit and say, “Yeah, they do what we do.”

    If you watch our offense, that’s not who we are. We want to run the football. We tried to run the football. If we can, we do run the football. We have a tremendous amount of play-action passes and big sets. We have sets with seven offensive linemen in the game at the same time. We have sets with two or three tight ends in the game.

    We weren’t a check-with-me system. There are times in my career where I did that, because it helped us win games. But our offense now is built upon progression reads.

    There are many plays when you watch Jared, he gets to his fifth progression. It’s a straight dropback system where he goes through his progression and tries to get to that fifth read within three seconds. If he doesn’t, he’ll be in trouble, because he’ll be sacked.

    We do a tremendous amount of run-pass stuff where we have a run play called with a two- or three-route combination on it.

    He’s taking the snap as the coverages take place, fitting the ball into the running back’s stomach and needs to make a decision whether he’ll hand the ball off or throw to the first or second read in the progression.

    It’s all based on post-snap reads.

    Another thing we do with him, he was able to change protections at any time. He was allowed to change the play at any time. He probably had to do more than any NFL quarterback does right now.

    A lot of what Jared did: I call a play with two or three guys running routes within the play. Pre-snap, he can come up and change everything. He could change the play completely if he wanted to do so. He could just change the protection. Or he could wait until the ball is snapped and make a decision based on what the defense did.

    I try to make everything simple for the quarterback, but it doesn’t mean it’s simple. It’s my job to make him believe what he’s doing is simple. So, we tried to teach in simplistic terms.

    Instead of saying, “when they’re in Cover 8 or 6 and the safety does this, you automatically do that,” I didn’t give him automatics. We talked in theories. Theoretically, this is what they’re trying to do, but it doesn’t mean it’s going to work.

    Ninety percent of defensive coordinators after something went wrong with a player say, “We misaligned,” or “we didn’t get the check,” or “the strong safety got the check, but the free safety didn’t.”

    Most of the time, defenses don’t know what they’re doing.

    If I tell Jared as a quarterback, “If the safety does this, you should automatically go to this,” I’m not giving him rules that actually work. I’m giving him rules that are supposed to work. It doesn’t mean they do.

    What I do is teach him what they’re trying to do. Therefore, if there is something easy within the progression and you want to take it, great, do that.

    Otherwise, let’s go through the system and see if one, two, three, four and five are going to work if we’re dropping back like we’re supposed to.

    B/R: It’s not always about the system. There are traits that allow an individual to separate himself from everything else. Could you go into more depth of a progression-read offense and what you’re teaching quarterbacks?

    TF: For example, the play we call is North-Whip-Z. We’re in a two-by-two formation. Regardless of how the running back lines up, the quarterback’s understanding is we’re running a play with a high, medium and low read.

    At the beginning of the play, he’s going to identify whether he has a one- or two-safety look. We understand a two-safety look prior to the start of the play might not remain the same once the ball is snapped.

    Does it look like they’re going to be in man or zone coverage? Does it look like they’re going to blitz? If they are going to blitz, is it a man or zone blitz?

    Having all that information in his brain helps him determine how fast he must get through his progression.

    His progression on the aforementioned play is going to start with a corner route. The corner route is going to come opposite of the tag. For example, I called North-Whip-Z. In my brain, I know the Z (receiver) is on the right side. Therefore, the corner route is going to be on the left side.

    If they’re in a two-safety look, I’m going to catch the ball, start in my drop and take a really long, slow first step. By the time I finish my first step, I’ll know whether they stayed in two safeties. If they stayed in two safeties, my eyes are going to stay on that corner route until I hit my last step.

    Once I hit my last step, if I have enough grass, the corner hasn’t bailed and I’m talented enough to fit the ball there, I’m going to throw the corner route.

    If the safety opened his hips and came off the hash mark, I know I have a chance with the sluggo route. In the NFL, they call it a slant-and-go. It means he is coming off the hip of the Y (receiver) on a corner route, and he’s going to split the two safeties.

    If I didn’t throw the first read in the progression, my eyes are now going to go to the second read in the progress. The second read is the post route. If there is enough grass, they’re still in Tampa 2 and the “Mike” (linebacker) didn’t drop too deep, the quarterback should be able to fit the ball in there.

    However, let’s say the Z (receiver) got rerouted along the way. I hit my last step. I came off my first and second reads. I immediately must go to the third read.

    The third read is by the running back. He runs what we called a hold route. He went and tried to grab the dropping Mike backer to get his attention and pull him back. If the Mike got too deep, the running back is coming to an eight- to 10-yard hook route. If he’s open, I’m on it as my third read.

    If the running back isn’t open, the last thing to get the quarterback out of the play is a whip route by the outside receiver. The outside receiver pushed up the field three steps. He then pushed inside five steps. On the fifth step, he stuck his toe in the ground and went back to the sideline. That’s the quarterback’s get-out-of-trouble guy.

    Anywhere along the way if I noticed they rolled the safety one way, I know I’m likely not going to get the corner or post routes, but I’ll have the hold or whip routes.

    However, your guy, Jared Goff, tells you the safety got too much depth and he’s good enough to throw a skinny post between the corner and the safety. If his talent allows him to do that, I’m going to throw that wrinkle into the play.

    There’s an example of it against the Texans Longhorns. Jared hit his last step. They rolled to a single safety. He threw a perfect back-hip toss. If he threw it to his receiver’s front hip, the safety could have made a big hit. It turned into a 20-yard pickup.

    That’s why he’s an NFL player versus other quarterbacks I’ve had. They may have been the best player in the league, but they can’t make that throw.

    B/R: When some argue Goff needed another year in school to develop, what exactly does that mean? It seems so cliche simply because he only played three years as a true junior. Did you feel the same way—other than for selfish reasons?

    TF: When Aaron Rodgers went to the NFL, was he ready to play in the first year? Nobody knows, because he didn’t need to play.

    He sat there three years behind a Hall of Fame player in Brett Favre. Everyone says that’s the ideal situation.

    Andrew Luck then comes in and plays from the beginning, and he’s a great player. Everyone says, “Well, the system prepared him to be great.”

    Luck didn’t have the best year this past season before getting hurt. So what happened? Did he get worse? Was he coached to the point he was coached out of him? Did the talent around him get worse?

    Nobody really knows, but everyone has an opinion on the subject.

    With Jared—first of all—any time a young player has an opportunity to be a first-round pick, he should take it. It’s easy for all of those sitting behind a desk to say he isn’t ready and should stay another year.

    Why? Why should he stay another year?

    If you have an opportunity to obtain a life-changing income that most of us work 50 years and never make, why would you do that?

    Second, the only time you ever get truly ready is to go somewhere and play. Nobody is ready until he gets a chance to go out there and do it.

    Jared will physically get bigger and stronger. He did so over the years during his time at Cal. Whether or not he’s successful will depend on the team he goes to, the talent around him and how good of coaching he gets.

    B/R: You mentioned both Aaron Rodgers and Andrew Luck, but let’s take this to a more personal level. You were on Kentucky’s staff when Tim Couch was the Wildcats quarterback before being selected No. 1 overall by the Cleveland Browns in the 1999 NFL draft.

    What similarities and differences do you see between him and Goff?

    TF: There are a lot of similarities in the fact they both had phenomenal feet. That’s the one thing we worked incredibly hard at with Jared. We wanted him to have Peyton Manning feet. Manning is the one guy in the NFL who consistently gets more accurate throws because of his footwork.

    We want them to be incredibly hot, like a typewriter. He’s always ready to throw the ball. He finds throwing lanes by moving his feet into proper position without taking steps. That’s what we teach.

    The one thing everyone seems to be in consensus about Jared is he has a great feel for the rush, finds throwing lanes and his footwork.

    That’s the one thing about him: He doesn’t get rattled. Tim was the same way. Tim didn’t get rattled. He found throwing lanes. And he was incredibly accurate.

    The difference with Jared, he has a much better arm than Tim had. Tim had an average arm at best. Jared has a far livelier arm.

    People call Tim a huge bust. I don’t think he was a huge bust. If you go back to what he did, the franchise was a huge bust. Tim eventually had some shoulder issues and couldn’t throw the ball very well at all by the end of his career.

    They both love playing football. Jared would go out and play even if nobody watched. Tim was the same way. Jared wants to study the game.

    My advice to him was to get a really good coach to prepare for the NFL draft process and listen to all the advice you can get. Ultimately, be who you are and what got you to this point while developing his own style.

    If you watch the great ones, they all have something that’s their own.

    During his career, he’ll likely have eight to 10 quarterback coaches. If he listens to every one of them, he’ll be completely screwed up.

    B/R: Couch suffered greatly in the NFL due to a shoddy offensive line. Constant pressure can ruin a career. Goff was under duress quite a bit during his Cal career as well. Has there ever been any question about having to deal with constant pressure and how he responded?

    TF: Jared got hit a lot. A lot of it was due to our run-pass options. We would have a run play called and the offensive line is blocking for that play, and he has three- or four-receiver routes off the run play.

    Jared understood he was going to take one right in the mouth on some of those plays, but he had a potential touchdown by making the pass. He threw it and got hit in the mouth.

    To me, this is one thing I saw in him: Jared Goff never flinched in three years of taking brutal hits.

    He handles pressure as well as any quarterback who will ever play. He understands it. He shows zero fear. He has a great natural feel in the pocket. That’s something you’re born with.

    He’s been trained incredibly well to work really hard in finding throwing lanes. He does a great job of doing so.

    He doesn’t panic when a free blitzer comes through the line. He doesn’t panic when an O-lineman loses a D-lineman. He’ll wait until the last second before making his throw, and he’ll take shots because of it.

    B/R: His ability to take punishment obviously leads into the next question. Goff is 21 years old, a true junior and listed at 215 pounds. He’s viewed as having a slight frame. Can you tell us how much weight he’s actually put on during his three years at Cal and how sturdy he can be as an NFL quarterback?

    TF: I don’t know the actual number, and I’m guessing a bit here, but he’s put on at least 30 pounds. He came in as a pencil. He worked really hard to do so through his nutrition and the strength program.

    He’s like most young men. When you’re 21 or 22 years old, they haven’t reached their full strength or muscle structure. It’s one of the reasons why I think he’ll continue getting better.

    The product you have right now is good enough if surrounded by the right players. He’s good enough to be a successful quarterback tomorrow.

    If he’s not surrounded by good players, he’ll be the same as every other quarterback who entered the NFL, and he’ll take a beating. It then comes down to luck whether he holds up or not.

    I think his body structure and strength will continue to get better, and it’s good enough now to survive for a team that can protect him.

    (Goff’s official measurements at the NFL combine came in at 6’4″and 215 pounds with nine-inch hands, per ESPN.com’s Louis Riddick.)

    B/R: One thing often undersold during the draft process is a player’s off-the-field stuff. If I asked about his work ethic, study habits, how his teammates view him and overall intangibles, could you tell us about the person you saw every day on and off the field?

    TF: The No. 1 quality he has that separated him from any great player: He showed zero selfishness. He never cared about stats.

    When he broke Marcus Mariota’s (Pac-12 Conference) record for most passing touchdowns in a season, I would bet you any amount of money that he didn’t have any idea what the record was. The same thing for yardage records.

    At the end of ballgames—whether they were close or blowouts—he would come to me and tell me to run the football if we needed to do so. He didn’t care if we pounded the ball. He wanted to win the game.

    Teammates could have easily been jealous due to all of the recognition he received. But he always took the criticism on himself. He always praised his teammates.

    When you have that type of personal leadership and the understanding of it, teammates never get jealous. That’s what he had: teammates who supported him, weren’t jealous and knew all he wanted to do was win.

    The other thing that was amazing to me is we had six guys catch 40 or more balls. I believe it’s only the second time in college football history. We also had three running backs run for over 500 yards. Jared did a phenomenal job of distributing the ball to the open guy.

    He also realized if one of his targets didn’t have a catch, he needed to get him the ball.

    As for his work ethic, my office was right next to the film room. I believe in meetings being short—only 30 to 45 minutes. A lot of film work for a quarterback who plays for me is done on their own. I’m not making you do it. I just know if you’re doing it, you’ll be great. If not, you’re probably not the starter.

    He was one of those guys in the film room who studied, constantly asked questions and wanted to learn all of the time.

    And he’s not a guy you’re going to read in the papers doing something he shouldn’t be doing. He’s a good guy. A fun guy. He goes out with his teammates, and they appreciate it.

    He also understands he needs to train his body to be the best he can be, and he’s being watched all of the time.

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    NFL adversity won’t deter Jared Goff who dealt with plenty at Cal

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2016/04/22/jared-goff-california-quarterback-rams-berkeley/83360148/

    BERKELEY, Calif. — The college resume of the probable top pick of the upcoming NFL draft includes throwing two interceptions returned for touchdowns in his first college game; enduring a one-win freshman season; and getting sacked 84 times in three years.

    For all of the attention focused on Jared Goff’s skill set — his sound footwork and pre-snap reads, his quick release and ability to move defenders with his eyes or head — those who played with and coached the quarterback at California say his most impressive attribute can be gleaned by his reaction to those setbacks.

    “He has been to hell and back,” Cal quarterback Chase Forrest, a close friend of Goff’s, told USA TODAY Sports. “That builds character.”

    A 6-4, 215-pound native of Novato, Calif., Goff encountered significant on-field adversity in college, even as he amassed 26 school records at the same program that produced Aaron Rodgers. As one of the top two draft-eligible quarterbacks, along with North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz, the resilience that Goff demonstrated could prove beneficial considering the uneven nature of NFL seasons — something that has been a recent hallmark of the Los Angeles Rams, the team expected to pick Goff first overall next Thursday night to start the draft.

    In playing an integral role in helping the Golden Bears go from one win in 2013 to eight last year, Goff said at the NFL scouting combine in February that he “learned you kind of have to start from the ground up. It starts with hard work, hard work in the offseason, and no shortcuts.

    “We had to start from the floor and build everything back up.”

    It started in early December 2012, when newly hired Cal coach Sonny Dykes watched film of all the prospects who had committed to playing for Jeff Tedford, the previous head coach. Dykes was not wowed by Goff’s tape, calling the then-gangly 185-pounder a “solid” prospect.

    It wasn’t until Tony Franklin, Cal’s offensive coordinator at the time, traveled to watch Goff’s Marin Catholic High team compete in a playoff game staged in southern California when that assessment changed. Franklin watched him on the sideline. He watched him between plays. He watched how he handled a superior team dominating his team for a stretch.

    “Tony then said he has chance to be something special,” Dykes recalled.

    The first Cal true freshman quarterback to start the season opener, Goff’s debut included throwing three interceptions, including that pair of deflected passes returned for touchdowns, in a 44-30 loss to Northwestern.

    “You throw two pick-sixes in your opening game? For a lot of guys, you are destroyed,” Franklin, who now is offensive coordinator at Middle Tennessee State, told USA TODAY Sports. “It didn’t bother him one bit. He had this thing about him, ‘OK, let’s go. Next play.’ Most guys don’t have that.”

    What also impressed Dykes was the grit Goff displayed two weeks later as he kept getting pummeled yet kept throwing throughout a 52-34 defeat to Ohio State.

    “He got hit a bunch — physically beat up,” Dykes told USA TODAY Sports about Goff’s entire freshman season. “He weathered all those storms just fine. Never had his head down. Never came in and said, ‘I’m getting hit too much, what the hell is going on?’ ”

    Goff says he is especially grateful for enduring the inaugural 1-11 season, explaining that it “toughened” him and forced him to grow up, mature and become the leader of the team as a sophomore.

    He continued to improve incrementally — most notably his anticipation and a quicker release — but adversity continued. In a one-point victory against Texas this past season, Goff suffered a high ankle sprain that Franklin says lingered for a month. And yet he refused to sit out drills in practice, Franklin said, and would not make excuses. (Even recently, Goff suggested the injury was not a big deal, and that he was “good” within two weeks).

    “He could barely move, could barely walk during the week,” Franklin said. “You could tell he was grimacing in pain when we’d do our Peyton Manning footwork drill. He never missed a rep. He competed his ass off, and then on Saturdays found a way to go out, suck it up, limp back in the pocket, find a throwing lane and make plays.”

    Franklin used to talk to Goff about his experiences on the Kentucky staff a generation ago coaching quarterback Tim Couch, who became the top overall pick in the 1999 draft of the Cleveland Browns. What helped distinguish Couch, Franklin told Goff, was how he handled erratic performances, like when he threw four interceptions against Indiana in 1998 but still managed to lead the Wildcats to victory.

    Goff had an opportunity to live out a similar script last year. After he threw the fourth of five interceptions in a highly anticipated game at Utah on Oct. 10, Goff looked at Franklin and said, “Well, I guess I’m Couch.”

    “I don’t know,” Franklin answered tongue-in-cheek. “Couch came back and won.”

    Goff laughed.

    After Cal’s 30-24 loss, he didn’t sulk. He didn’t make excuses. By the time the team arrived back on campus, Goff had moved on.

    And the quarterback’s performance — he says probably the worst of his life — did nothing to diminish the opinion of Utes coach Kyle Whittingham, who told USA TODAY Sports that Goff is “the prototype quarterback. He has the whole package.”

    Goff says he used that performance as an opportunity to “show I had some resiliency.” There is little doubt that on-field struggles have often been a welcomed companion for Goff, revealing his leadership and perseverance.

    To that point, Goff recalled during the combine the most interesting question he fielded from league personnel during this evaluation process, a hypothetical scenario that uniquely spoke to how he handled a three-year college ride with plenty of turbulence: “If you are riding on a bus speeding down a snowy mountain, and it suddenly loses its brakes, where would you prefer to be sitting?”

    Most people, Goff said, would instinctively answer the back of the bus. But for a quarterback, he noted, the answer should be different because quarterbacks should strive to be the leader who helps steward everyone else through adversity.

    How did Goff answer?

    “I said the front.”

    Of course he did.

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