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  • #91364
    Avatar photozn
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    Vikings coming off an embarrassing loss.

    Rams offense an embarrassment of riches.

    But Rams without Peters and Talib.

    What’s gonna happen?

    #91369
    Avatar photocanadaram
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    If the front doesn’t get any pressure, Diggs and Thielen will have big games. Also, I see Rudolph vs. the Rams LBs is a mismatch that favours the Vikings. I think Minnesota wins this game.

    #91370
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    Viking get embarrassed again and they can’t do anything about it. 😉 Rams win 40 – 20.

    Agamemnon

    #91371
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I think we see more blitzing than we did the first three games. I think the game will be close, and the Rams have the advantage of having stayed home on a short week whereas the Vikings waste a day traveling. But I think the Vikings win narrowly.

    #91372
    PA Ram
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    Last year Vikes won 24-7.

    They rushed for over 170 yards in that contest. Latavius Murray(who may play agfain this year because of uncertainty about Dalvin Cook) had a very good day. Another big problem for the Rams defense was Dominique Hatfield. He was torched on a regular basis. I’m not sure if he will have to play this time or not. Let’s hope not.

    Now this is a much difference defense, of course. Quinn is gone. Ogeltree is gone. Johnson is gone.

    Sadly, Peters and Talib are gone.

    So I expect Cousins to complete some passes. The corners just can’t give up the big plays, miss tackles and so on.

    Barron played a lot in coverage that game but he’s gone as well.

    The Bills game is a fluke to me. They were clearly looking ahead and not ready.

    They will be ready for this one.

    Goff had a decent game but momentum swung when Kupp lost a fumble at the goal line and the Rams never got it back. The Rams rushed for a total of about 43 yards but they got down in the game and threw the ball more. The game was closer than the score but Hatfield was exploited time and time again.

    The Rams can have success with Gurley. The Vikes give up about 105 yards rushing a game. He can do very well this week. But the Rams can also throw on this defense. I do worry about the kicking game. They need touchdowns in this one because without Talib and Peters, and what has been a poor pass rush, this has the looks of a shootout type of game.

    Rams: 34
    Vikes 30

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #91374
    Ozoneranger
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    I expect Phillips to add a few wrinkles to get the pass rush going. He has to.

    The Rams offense looks unstoppable if they avoid turnovers. I think Cooks breaks out big.

    Rams in a shootout. 34-30.

    #91377
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    Rams 27, Vikings 19.

    Vikings’ o-line is subpar, and in 12 years of Thursday night games no team has ever won or covered the spread when they’ve had to travel two time zones west.

    #91378
    Avatar photowv
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    I think the Rams would win by 15 if the allpro cornerbacks were playing,
    but as it is the Rams only win by 14.

    Rams 24
    Vikes 10

    Gurley hurtles Carl Eller in the snow and runs for the go-ahead score.

    The future is now.

    w
    v

    #91380
    snowman
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    The Vikings loss to the Bills was a big surprise out here. Offense was inept, defense was a step or two behind the play, and they didn’t even use their new kicker. The highlight of the game, up to the garbage time touchdown, was a 70 yard punt.

    Zimmer was livid. I’m of the opinion that the coaching staff prepared them for the game but the team came out flat and stayed flat. It’s worth noting that the team’s halftime adjustments, whatever they were, had no effect. Fans here are typical Scandinavian; stoic and pessimistic.

    The Vikings have a few key injuries and one big distraction. DE Everson Griffen was in an incident at a downtown Minneapolis hotel and allegedly at a teammate’s house, and is undergoing a mental evaluation. Everson Griffen He will not play on Sunday but his replacement, I don’t know if this kind of thing will affect their locker room.

    The Vikings’ offensive line is a patchwork of decent talent, but mostly playing out of position. They recently acquired Brett Jones from the Giants to play center; he is their fourth starting center since the preseason began in August. Pat Elflein has been healing from an ankle injury. He played against Buffalo, but it didn’t help much. He was a good center in his rookie year. They lost their starting left guard early in the year too. The two starting guards and tackles are two UDFAs, one claimed on waivers and another taken from Jacksonville’s practice squad; three of the four were acquired within the last year or so.

    Defensively the Vikings are about the same as last year, except Griffen is out but his replacement, Stephen Weatherly, is a good player. They played so badly against the Bills I don’t know what else to say about them. I think they will prepare very hard for us on Thursday.

    I hope this is the game where the Rams turn Donald loose and Suh too. Pressure Cousins, clog the running lanes between the tackles, and force the defense back onto the field. Wear them out on defense and the Rams could open up a big lead in the second half. Make the defense run, don’t expose the receivers to big hits from the Vikings’ safeties and throw a couple of home-run balls against CB Trae Waynes.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 1 month ago by snowman.
    #91382
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I am casting my vote for Snowman. That was actual knowledge, and good stuff, too.

    #91383
    Herzog
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    Ram win. Vikings feel pain.

    #91386
    JackPMiller
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    I’m scared. We won’t have Peters nor Talib playing in this game against that WR crew, and the Vikings were looking ahead. I hope I’m wrong, but this may be our first loss, Vikings 26-Rams 23.

    #91387
    Ozoneranger
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    I think the Rams would win by 15 if the allpro cornerbacks were playing,
    but as it is the Rams only win by 14.

    Rams 24
    Vikes 10

    Gurley hurtles Carl Eller in the snow and runs for the go-ahead score.

    The future is now.

    w
    v

    Any chance Jim Marshall goes the wrong way and scores for us?

    #91390
    Avatar photowv
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    I think the Rams would win by 15 if the allpro cornerbacks were playing,
    but as it is the Rams only win by 14.

    Rams 24
    Vikes 10

    Gurley hurtles Carl Eller in the snow and runs for the go-ahead score.

    The future is now.

    w
    v

    Any chance Jim Marshall goes the wrong way and scores for us?

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    I think Cooks makes the difference in this game. Gurley gets shut down.

    And the defense blows up the minny offense.

    w
    v

    #91393
    Avatar photojoemad
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    Vikes Pro Bowl DE out

    http://www.startribune.com/vikings-standout-everson-griffen-being-evaluated-after-erratic-behavior/494267331/

    Vikings defensive end Everson Griffen was growing increasingly paranoid and feared someone was trying to kill him in the weeks and days before troubling incidents Saturday at a downtown Minneapolis hotel and in his Minnetrista neighborhood sent law enforcement looking for him, according to police reports released Tuesday.
    The behavior prompted the Vikings to ban a disruptive Griffen last week from practice and seek mental health treatment, the reports said, which also noted that the 30-year-old husband and father is not suspected of a crime.
    By the end of Saturday afternoon, Griffen was taken in an ambulance for treatment, but not before another outburst prompted police to intervene and escort him to the emergency vehicles’ destination.

    Griffen did not play in Sunday’s 27-6 loss to Buffalo at U.S. Bank Stadium. He was on last week’s injury report as sidelined by a knee injury. On Monday, the Vikings listed him on the injury report as not having practiced because of “knee/not injury related.”

    We’re going to do everything we possibly can, not only to help Everson, but all of the players on our team, and not just them but their families as well,” Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said Tuesday.
    Griffen involved in police incident Saturday at Minneapolis hotel
    Griffen is at a mental health facility for evaluation and treatment, NFL sources have confirmed.
    Griffen first drew police attention about 1:30 p.m. Saturday at the Hotel Ivy in downtown Minneapolis, where the three-time Pro Bowl player was threatening to assault staff employees and lying on the lobby floor, according to a Minneapolis police incident report.
    Emergency audio dispatch revealed as events unfolded that he “said that if someone doesn’t let him in his room that he is going to shoot someone,” but no gun was seen.
    An officer met with Griffen’s wife at a park Saturday in Mound and recounted events leading up to the hotel incident:
    She said her husband awoke in the middle of the night on Sept. 16 and left the home. She said he does this at times when he is fighting “demons” in his head. She said he returned Wednesday only to leave an hour later and not return until Saturday morning.
    She said Griffen wasn’t making sense, became combative and ordered her out of the Minnetrista home. He then went to the Hotel Ivy, which is where he stays during the week. She said Griffen needs to be medicated for his mental struggles and had been without sleep for days.
    The officer called Griffen on his cellphone, and Griffen said he was going to be gone for about a week and was rambling incoherently before hanging up.

    Police learned from Vikings player development director Les Pico that Griffen “has been really struggling for the past few weeks,” the police reports read. Pico said Griffen “has been explosive, screaming and yelling” at practice, the reports continued. Pico called Griffen paranoid and prone to repeating himself.
    The team notified Griffen’s agent that its defensive star was banned from practice until his mental health is evaluated.
    Griffen’s wife then called and said he was at teammate Trae Waynes’ home down the road. Griffen was trying to break in, had jumped through bushes and was shirtless. Within minutes, Griffen’s wife notified police that he was in a pickup truck with someone who didn’t know what to do with him. The man had encountered Griffen at a gas station, and delivered him home.
    Police met Griffen outside late Saturday afternoon, and he was making comments about “777” — having to do with angels — and that he went to Waynes’ home because “God made me do it.”
    Griffen agreed with the officer to be taken for mental health treatment. But soon after the ambulance was en route, Griffen fled the vehicle. By the time police arrived, he had returned and had his hands in the air. Eventually, Griffen agreed to continue the trip under police escort.
    The Vikings issued this statement from Waynes: “To clarify, there was no attempted break-in at our home and at no point did my family or I feel unsafe. We are friends with the Griffen family and we are here to support them in any way possible during these trying times.”

    Zimmer said he hadn’t spoken to Griffen since last week. “In the long run, he’s a really good kid,” Zimmer said, confirming that Griffen would not have played Sunday because of the knee injury and that Griffen will not travel to Los Angeles with the team for Thursday’s game against the Rams.
    “I’ve always loved Everson … He’s always been a good model for us and he’s going through some tough times right now,” Zimmer said. “I just hope the best for him.”
    Asked if the team could have ensured Griffen received a mental health evaluation, either on-site or by taking him to a facility, Zimmer said, “Honestly, I don’t know. That’s not really my area of expertise, and so, I don’t know the answer to that, to be honest with you.”
    The Vikings selected Griffen in the fourth round of the 2010 NFL Draft. He has been chosen for the Pro Bowl the past three seasons and received a four-year, $58 million contract extension from the team in 2017 that put him under contract through the 2022 season. He was elected a team captain for the third consecutive season in 2018.
    Griffen was arrested twice in three days in Los Angeles in 2011, following his rookie season, for public intoxication and driving with an invalid license.
    Star Tribune staff writers Liz Sawyer and Ben Goessling contributed to this report.

    Paul Walsh • 612-673-4482

    Paul Walsh is a general assignment reporter at the Star Tribune. He wants your news tips, especially in and near Minnesota.

    #91442
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i can only hope that the rams pass rush can get to cousins.

    also interested to see how goff follows up his performance against the chargers.

    #91462
    snowman
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    i can only hope that the rams pass rush can get to cousins.

    also interested to see how goff follows up his performance against the chargers.

    IMO that is the key. Dalvin Cook was limited in practice yesterday, not sure if he will play. Our defensive front has a definite advantage against the Vikings offensive line and we must exploit that to compensate for losing Talib and probably Peters. And Kupp must not fumble on the one yard line again.

    #91463
    snowman
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    I found a Tom Pelissero tweet saying Pat Elflein will start at center against the Rams.

    I don’t tweet, and I don’t know how to post them here so I’m linking to Tom Pelisseros’s twitter for news about the Vikings injuries, practice and possible starters on Thursday.Pelissero tweets

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 1 month ago by snowman.
    #91465
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    #91468
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I’ve changed my mind. Rams win a close one.

    Kind of like Swedish meatballs in an oil derrick fire.

    #91473
    Herzog
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    Man that Griffin story is so sad. I hope he gets back to normal.

    #91474
    Avatar photozn
    Moderator

    I found a Tom Pelissero tweet saying Pat Elflein will start at center against the Rams.

    I don’t tweet, and I don’t know how to post them here so I’m linking to Tom Pelisseros’s twitter for news about the Vikings injuries, practice and possible starters on Thursday.Pelissero tweets

    Thanks for your input on this Snow. You’re own intel source in the balmy north.

    #91477
    Avatar photonittany ram
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    I’ve changed my mind. Rams win a close one.

    Kind of like Swedish meatballs in an oil derrick fire.

    The Vikings look good cooked that way. I think I would serve them over egg noodles. Deelish.

    #91480
    snowman
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    I read in one of the local papers that if LOT Riley Reiff cannot play, the Vikings will move the ROT Rashod Hill over to LOT and insert rookie 2nd round pick Brian O’Neill at ROT. Both Reiff and Hill were injured against the Bills. Shuffling that O Line around…

    #91484
    waterfield
    Participant

    Marshall ?Now that was good. Really good. How do people remember this stuff. I forgot what or if I age this morning.

    #91492
    Avatar photoZooey
    Moderator

    Marshall ?Now that was good. Really good. How do people remember this stuff. I forgot what or if I age this morning.

    Hey, I’d love to read your thoughts on Kavanaugh over on the Pol board.

    #91499
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
    Moderator

    Man that Griffin story is so sad. I hope he gets back to normal.

    i agree very sad. can’t help but think head injuries.

    on the pass rush. every other unit has stepped up. now the edge rushers need to do their part to win this game. we’ll see how complete of a team the rams are or aren’t.

    i’m getting very nervous.

    #91532
    snowman
    Participant

    Local writer drawing parallels between this team and one that flopped in 2010. Pessimistic to say the least.Viking turmoil

    Vikings’ season already tinged with tragedy, troubles

    There are already ominous signs that this season could be more like 2010, when the Vikings got their coach fired, than 2009, when they came within an eyelash from playing in a Super Bowl.

    On Sunday, the Vikings lost at home to what was thought to be the NFL’s worst team. Thursday, they’ll face what might be the NFL’s best, the Rams in Los Angeles, and next week they’ll face the defending Super Bowl champions in Philadelphia, two places presenting challenges and locales as different as sunburn and heartburn.

    This is a bad time for bad omens.

    This bicoastal 10-day test could leave one of the presumably elite NFL teams at 1-3-1, which would not necessarily prove disastrous but would evoke memories of Vikings seasons lost.

    We know this franchise. The Vikings don’t stub their toes. They fracture their feet. There are already ominous signs that this season could be more like 2010, when they got their coach fired, than 2009, when they came within a swollen ankle and an extra man in the huddle from playing in a Super Bowl they would probably have won.

    In 2010, star receiver Sidney Rice went from being Brett Favre’s favorite receiver to a player who cared more about money than achievement. That was his right, but his passive-­aggressive approach to football helped ruined that season and perhaps his career.

    Favre had to be talked into playing and did so mostly for the money, admitting himself during his first news conference after signing the contract that the team would not be the same.

    Brad Childress lost the locker room and his job, and in an act of God or sublime satire, the Metrodome collapsed.

    This is feeling like then.

    There is no comfortable way to blend real-life tragedy with analysis of a team’s fortunes, but the former does affect the latter, and two important figures have passed — highly regarded offensive line coach Tony Sparano and beloved team historian Fred Zamberletti.

    Nine days into the season the Vikings released the rookie kicker that they had traded up to draft after he cost them the victory the franchise covets most — at Lambeau Field.

    In training camp, cornerback Xavier Rhodes sparred with receiver Stefon Diggs so often that coach Mike Zimmer banished them to the locker room. Sunday, during what may have been the least-explicable loss in franchise history, Zimmer and Rhodes bickered on the sideline.

    Last week, star defensive end Everson Griffen missed practice because of a knee injury, and Sunday Zimmer said Griffen was dealing with a personal matter. Now we know that Griffen has been dealing with mental health issues and is being treated.

    The offensive line, the weak spot of a powerhouse roster, lost guard Nick Easton before the season began and rookie center Pat Elflein missed training camp and the first regular-season game before returning to limited action last week. Sunday, Buffalo overwhelmed the offensive line, and Thursday the line will face the great Aaron Donald, the intimidating Ndamukong Suh and the wizardly defensive coordinator Wade Phillips.

    The Vikings’ choice of cornerback Mike Hughes added an exceptional athlete to an important position but, just as the drafting of kicker Daniel Carlson, ignored the team’s position of need in a win-now season.

    Zimmer stood at the lectern after the Vikings beat San Francisco in Week 1 and chortled about everyone who wanted him to take an offensive lineman in the first round. Hughes had played well, returning an interception for a touchdown. Zimmer didn’t chortle Sunday, when his offensive line may have cost the Vikings a victory.

    All of the apt disclaimers apply here, of course. The Vikings could win one or both of the next two games and set themselves up for another successful season. They could lose the next two and rally to win the division and enter the playoffs as a stronger team than the one that was exposed by the Eagles in the NFC Championship Game last year.

    But atmosphere matters when you’re dealing with humans, and this Vikings season is already seasoned with sadness and concern.

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