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    I think the media has now fully come to terms with the fact that they are the propaganda department. Media used to see itself as independent investigators, reporting the Truth. From time-to-time, they collaborated with Power to shape an “important” narrative, but still saw themselves as basically independent. That has eroded over time so much that I think now that no longer lie to themselves about that. They know their function is to spin stories, and it’s openly accepted. They don’t fool themselves into thinking they report objective reality. They weave it, and they know that’s what they do.

    There’s probably a mix of things going on.   And some of the media is probably as you say — just outright, conscious propagandists.

    But among ‘that’ group, most probably think they are ‘doing the right thing’, ie, ‘we are the good guys’, the CIA is battling evil, etc etc.

    I would imagine they have internalized all the ‘proper’ narratives, that were successfully poured into their heads.

    Which of course, raises the topic of the ‘how’ of it all.  How do these narratives get poured into so many ‘educated’ peoples’ heads….

     

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    There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again. – George W. Bush
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    #137951
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    I think the media has now fully come to terms with the fact that they are the propaganda department. Media used to see itself as independent investigators, reporting the Truth. From time-to-time, they collaborated with Power to shape an “important” narrative, but still saw themselves as basically independent. That has eroded over time so much that I think now that no longer lie to themselves about that. They know their function is to spin stories, and it’s openly accepted. They don’t fool themselves into thinking they report objective reality. They weave it, and they know that’s what they do.

     

    For example.

    Take a look at the back of the firefighter’s jacket.

     

    #137952
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    Zooey,

    I don’t trust any of it off hand, including photos about photos about photos. They can be doctored too. Paranoia has no end, etc.

    No attempted defense of the Centrist News Network, but I’d have to see the actual TV feed myself to believe they were faking their Ukraine coverage from . . . would that be (Edmonton) Canada? I’m betting the picture of the feed is itself a fake.

    Why would CNN do that? It’s not as if they have to pretend stuff is on fire during a war. It’s not like wars don’t provide a ton of horrors to film. Why would they need to invent any of that and film the war in Ukraine from somewhere else?

    All kinds of propaganda out there, from all kinds of different places, including the kind that tries to make us doubt all Western media.

     

     

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    #137954
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    However…

    There is this:

    Edmonton firefighters return from Ukraine after delivering much-needed aid: ‘It was very rewarding’

    Perhaps they left behind some gear?

    So it looks like the photo is real.

    And the video is real.

    And there was really somebody there with an Edmonton firefighting suit.

    #137955
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    Good work, Zooey, getting the context, etc.

    Seeing the name Jack Posobiec was enough for me to know it was a bogus ploy. He’s a well-known alt-right lunatic, and a truly despicable con man. Hopefully, you haven’t had a run in with him on Twitter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec

    John Michael Posobiec III (/pəˈsoʊbɪk/ pə-SOH-bik; born December 14, 1985)[1] is an American alt-right[7] and alt-lite[2][8] political activist, television correspondent and presenter,[9] conspiracy theorist,[10] and provocateur.[11][12][13] Posobiec is known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter, as well as using white supremacist and antisemitic symbols and talking points, including the white genocide conspiracy theory.[14][15][16][17] He has repeatedly planted false and derogatory claims about political figures in an effort to damage his opponents. He has promoted fake news, including the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory claiming high-ranking Democratic Party officials were involved in a child sex ring.[18] From 2018 to 2021, Posobiec was employed by One America News Network (OANN), a far-right cable news television channel, as a political correspondent and on-air presenter.[9] He left OANN in May 2021 to begin hosting a show for the conservative student organization Turning Point USA, and to join conservative news site Human Events as a senior editor.[19]

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    Seeing the name Jack Posobiec was enough for me to know it was a bogus ploy. He’s a well-known alt-right lunatic, and a truly despicable con man.

    That name looks familiar. I think that is the guy who posted the picture and drew attention to the jacket. Somebody in my timeline retweeted it. I never heard of this guy before, but I clicked on the tweet to save the photo. My first thought was “photoshop,” too, but in looking at it, I thought it DIDN’T looked photoshopped. I just posted the picture, though, then went back and read the responses, so I jumped the gun on that. I coulda saved some time reading the responses first, but as I said, I didn’t think it was photoshopped. It was other people in the responses who posted the full video, and someone else posted the article about Edmonton firefighters visiting in 2017.

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    #138261
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    Well, the biggest dustup in my twitter life:

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    #138270
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    Well, the biggest dustup in my twitter life:

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    This is exactly what you deserve for trying to reason

    with blue maga crowd

     

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    #138312
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    Yeah. the US is suddenly concerned about human rights in India.

    Not in Palestine, or Saudi Arabia, or Yemen, or Turkey, though.

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