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March 22, 2022 at 7:56 pm #137844wvParticipant
I think the media has now fully come to terms with the fact that they are the propaganda department. Media used to see itself as independent investigators, reporting the Truth. From time-to-time, they collaborated with Power to shape an “important” narrative, but still saw themselves as basically independent. That has eroded over time so much that I think now that no longer lie to themselves about that. They know their function is to spin stories, and it’s openly accepted. They don’t fool themselves into thinking they report objective reality. They weave it, and they know that’s what they do.
There’s probably a mix of things going on. And some of the media is probably as you say — just outright, conscious propagandists.
But among ‘that’ group, most probably think they are ‘doing the right thing’, ie, ‘we are the good guys’, the CIA is battling evil, etc etc.
I would imagine they have internalized all the ‘proper’ narratives, that were successfully poured into their heads.
Which of course, raises the topic of the ‘how’ of it all. How do these narratives get poured into so many ‘educated’ peoples’ heads….
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March 23, 2022 at 1:34 am #137855znModeratorRAMLitosWay @ramlitoswayThere’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again. – George W. BushMarch 25, 2022 at 1:33 am #137898ZooeyModeratorKamala Harris told brown people in Central America "Do Not Come" but apparently has no problem letting in 100,000 blonde haired, blue-eyed refugees from Ukraine.
We have a word for that.
— Prof Zenkus (@anthonyzenkus) March 24, 2022
March 25, 2022 at 11:56 pm #137916wvParticipantCIA chief Duane Clarridge explains how the crimes of Pinochet were "worth it" and that the US will overthrow democratically elected governments whenever it wants. When told that's a violation of foreign populations, his reply is clear: "well that's just tough" pic.twitter.com/jJNx9ZS7To
— . (@ImReadinHere) March 25, 2022
March 26, 2022 at 9:38 am #137920znModeratorGerman textbooks teach about “American exceptionalism” propaganda, provide more proof that the US is the world’s Florida pic.twitter.com/Th0r8GAiKc
— her sly inner snarl 🕊 (@sharerliners) March 26, 2022
March 27, 2022 at 7:20 am #137932wvParticipant— ☀️👀 (@zei_squirrel) March 27, 2022
March 27, 2022 at 10:33 am #137937ZooeyModeratorTHREAD. What's going on in West Hollywood should alarm you. A growing movement of residents is seeking to spend small portion of City's safety funds (17%) on social services instead of armed bureaucrats. Mayor is working behind scenes with Sheriff to stop it. A fascinating story:
— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) March 26, 2022
March 27, 2022 at 5:45 pm #137951ZooeyModeratorI think the media has now fully come to terms with the fact that they are the propaganda department. Media used to see itself as independent investigators, reporting the Truth. From time-to-time, they collaborated with Power to shape an “important” narrative, but still saw themselves as basically independent. That has eroded over time so much that I think now that no longer lie to themselves about that. They know their function is to spin stories, and it’s openly accepted. They don’t fool themselves into thinking they report objective reality. They weave it, and they know that’s what they do.
For example.
Take a look at the back of the firefighter’s jacket.
March 27, 2022 at 6:14 pm #137952Billy_TParticipantZooey,
I don’t trust any of it off hand, including photos about photos about photos. They can be doctored too. Paranoia has no end, etc.
No attempted defense of the Centrist News Network, but I’d have to see the actual TV feed myself to believe they were faking their Ukraine coverage from . . . would that be (Edmonton) Canada? I’m betting the picture of the feed is itself a fake.
Why would CNN do that? It’s not as if they have to pretend stuff is on fire during a war. It’s not like wars don’t provide a ton of horrors to film. Why would they need to invent any of that and film the war in Ukraine from somewhere else?
All kinds of propaganda out there, from all kinds of different places, including the kind that tries to make us doubt all Western media.
March 27, 2022 at 6:28 pm #137953ZooeyModeratorDon Lemon from Lviv pic.twitter.com/wSGnxvMr6Z
— Metabiota Poso🧬 (@JackPosobiec) March 26, 2022
March 27, 2022 at 6:29 pm #137954ZooeyModeratorHowever…
There is this:
Edmonton firefighters return from Ukraine after delivering much-needed aid: ‘It was very rewarding’
Perhaps they left behind some gear?
So it looks like the photo is real.
And the video is real.
And there was really somebody there with an Edmonton firefighting suit.
March 27, 2022 at 6:38 pm #137955Billy_TParticipantGood work, Zooey, getting the context, etc.
Seeing the name Jack Posobiec was enough for me to know it was a bogus ploy. He’s a well-known alt-right lunatic, and a truly despicable con man. Hopefully, you haven’t had a run in with him on Twitter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Posobiec
John Michael Posobiec III (/pəˈsoʊbɪk/ pə-SOH-bik; born December 14, 1985)[1] is an American alt-right[7] and alt-lite[2][8] political activist, television correspondent and presenter,[9] conspiracy theorist,[10] and provocateur.[11][12][13] Posobiec is known for his pro-Donald Trump comments on Twitter, as well as using white supremacist and antisemitic symbols and talking points, including the white genocide conspiracy theory.[14][15][16][17] He has repeatedly planted false and derogatory claims about political figures in an effort to damage his opponents. He has promoted fake news, including the debunked Pizzagate conspiracy theory claiming high-ranking Democratic Party officials were involved in a child sex ring.[18] From 2018 to 2021, Posobiec was employed by One America News Network (OANN), a far-right cable news television channel, as a political correspondent and on-air presenter.[9] He left OANN in May 2021 to begin hosting a show for the conservative student organization Turning Point USA, and to join conservative news site Human Events as a senior editor.[19]
- This reply was modified 2 years, 9 months ago by Billy_T.
March 27, 2022 at 10:19 pm #137957ZooeyModeratorSeeing the name Jack Posobiec was enough for me to know it was a bogus ploy. He’s a well-known alt-right lunatic, and a truly despicable con man.
That name looks familiar. I think that is the guy who posted the picture and drew attention to the jacket. Somebody in my timeline retweeted it. I never heard of this guy before, but I clicked on the tweet to save the photo. My first thought was “photoshop,” too, but in looking at it, I thought it DIDN’T looked photoshopped. I just posted the picture, though, then went back and read the responses, so I jumped the gun on that. I coulda saved some time reading the responses first, but as I said, I didn’t think it was photoshopped. It was other people in the responses who posted the full video, and someone else posted the article about Edmonton firefighters visiting in 2017.
March 28, 2022 at 2:12 pm #137972ZooeyModeratorTHREAD. The Supreme Court has just decided to hear a case with massive implications for U.S. democracy. I try to explain a little about it below.
— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) March 28, 2022
March 29, 2022 at 4:58 pm #137981wvParticipant—
Every day there are new articles and news segments explaining why no-fly zones are good and de-escalation is appeasement and how we can get away with attacking Russia without starting a nuclear war, yet it's voices like @ChrisLynnHedges, @LeeCamp and @AbbyMartin who get censored.
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) March 29, 2022
April 2, 2022 at 2:06 am #138102ZooeyModeratorThis kind of performance of values that prominent liberal people violate with nearly every waking breath is a deep elite cultural sickness that is leading many people to think that nothing matters and that plays a huge role in the rise of fascism.
— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) March 31, 2022
April 3, 2022 at 6:14 pm #138160wvParticipant— ☭ Marxy Lenny ☭ (@Troydiscospider) January 19, 2022
April 4, 2022 at 7:29 pm #138185wvParticipant— Aishik/ঐশিক 🕊️ (@aishik_s) April 4, 2022
April 6, 2022 at 5:02 pm #138233wvParticipantOh fuck, this is starting much sooner than I expected. Scott Ritter apparently suspended for "denying mass casualty events took place", meaning questioning the official narrative about Bucha. https://t.co/uQx6Gat0Ai
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) April 6, 2022
April 6, 2022 at 6:45 pm #138236wvParticipantDear @TwitterSupport I am not “Russian State Affiliated media”. I work for NO #Russian media. I have 400,000 followers. I’m the leader of a British political party and spent nearly 30 years in the British parliament. If you do not remove this designation I will take legal action.
— George Galloway (@georgegalloway) April 6, 2022
April 8, 2022 at 11:10 am #138261ZooeyModeratorWell, the biggest dustup in my twitter life:
2009 Minimum wage: $7.25
2022 Minimum wage: $7.25Angry Staffer: They want unicorns.
— Zooey is okay with a general strike (@zooeyd1) April 7, 2022
April 8, 2022 at 2:38 pm #138266wvParticipantU.S. Announces It Will Allow Ukrainian Refugees After Deporting 100,000 Central Americans Seeking Asylum https://t.co/isH5f4yrRi pic.twitter.com/NJyew4yla8
— The Onion (@TheOnion) March 24, 2022
April 8, 2022 at 3:17 pm #138267wvParticipantApril 8, 2022 at 3:32 pm #138269wvParticipantThis had me on the floor. pic.twitter.com/ppUftBVYiV
— Malume (@bozzie_t) April 3, 2022
April 8, 2022 at 3:42 pm #138270wvParticipantWell, the biggest dustup in my twitter life:
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This is exactly what you deserve for trying to reason
with blue maga crowd
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April 12, 2022 at 7:14 am #138311wvParticipantA quick lesson on US foreign policy and "human rights" concerns in four screenshots: pic.twitter.com/DyHzhgQ7qk
— Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ (@caitoz) April 12, 2022
April 12, 2022 at 11:55 am #138312ZooeyModeratorYeah. the US is suddenly concerned about human rights in India.
Not in Palestine, or Saudi Arabia, or Yemen, or Turkey, though.
June 4, 2022 at 4:20 pm #139152wvParticipantJune 5, 2022 at 12:51 am #139153ZooeyModeratorTHREAD. Today, the New York Times published one of its most dishonest, biased, and dangerous pro-police articles that I have ever read. What's happening at the NYT is important, so I try my best to explain below why it’s so harmful.
— Alec Karakatsanis (@equalityAlec) June 4, 2022
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