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June 3, 2020 at 12:51 pm #115790
waterfieldParticipanthttps://law.jrank.org/pages/5259/Civilian-Review-Boards.html
This is a very brief explanation of the limited powers of civilian review boards. Giving power to civilians to fire gov’t employees is not something that can be accomplished under most, if not all, bargaining agreements. However, a judicial oversight committee can be a different story. But that is something than can only arise upon some sort of original litigation where evidence proves the need for such. Cities vary all across the nation as to the powers of a mayor and or city council as to the ability to fire a police officer, chief or commissioner.
June 3, 2020 at 2:47 pm #115800waterfieldParticipantAnother article that shows how police unions can and do impede the efforts to discipline and or fire bad cops.
June 3, 2020 at 4:16 pm #115803
wvParticipantWell, I just dont have a problem with those rules below. If someone murders a black person, none of those procedures below are gonna save the cop. Exactly what would you strip from the rules below?
Now, again, I WOULD change the power of the ‘civilian review board’ or whatever we wanna call it. There needs to be an independent review of ‘gray area’ stuff. We cant trust the Police to police themselves.
How to go about that? I dunno enough about it to say anything. I’m just saying what we need.
I dont mind tinkering around with some of those rules, and if thats what you mean by lessening the power of the Unions I might be ok with it, but it just depends on which powers you wanna weaken.
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“…That’s where the special treatment begins, but it doesn’t end there.Unlike a member of the public, the officer gets a “cooling off” period before he has to respond to any questions. Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is privy to the names of his complainants and their testimony against him before he is ever interrogated. Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation is to be interrogated “at a reasonable hour,” with a union member present. Unlike a member of the public, the officer can only be questioned by one person during his interrogation. Unlike a member of the public, the officer can be interrogated only “for reasonable periods,” which “shall be timed to allow for such personal necessities and rest periods as are reasonably necessary.” Unlike a member of the public, the officer under investigation cannot be “threatened with disciplinary action” at any point during his interrogation. If he is threatened with punishment, whatever he says following the threat cannot be used against him.
What happens after the interrogation again varies from state to state. But under nearly every law enforcement bill of rights, the following additional privileges are granted to officers: Their departments cannot publicly acknowledge that the officer is under investigation; if the officer is cleared of wrongdoing or the charges are dropped, the department may not publicly acknowledge that the investigation ever took place, or reveal the nature of the complaint. The officer cannot be questioned or investigated by “non-government agents,” which means no civilian review boards. If the officer is suspended as a result of the investigation, he must continue to receive full pay and benefits until his case is resolved. In most states, the charging department must subsidize the accused officer’s legal defense…”
June 3, 2020 at 4:21 pm #115804wvParticipantPS — Reason Magazine has an ‘agenda’ W.
Its a Libertarian Magazine. I dont imagine they like ‘any’ Union.
“…Reason was founded in 1968 by Lanny Friedlander (1947–2011),[2][5] a student at Boston University,[6] as a more-or-less monthly mimeographed publication. In 1970 it was purchased by Robert W. Poole Jr., Manuel S. Klausner, and Tibor R. Machan, who set it on a more regular publishing schedule.[5][6] As the monthly print magazine of “free minds and free markets”, it covers politics, culture, and ideas with a mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews.
During the 1970s and 80s, the magazine’s contributors included Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard, Thomas Szasz, and Thomas Sowell.[7] In 1978, Poole, Klausner, and Machan created the associated Reason Foundation, in order to expand the magazine’s ideas into policy research.[5] Marty Zupan joined Reason in 1975, and served through the 1980s as managing editor and editor-in-chief, leaving in 1989.[8]…”
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June 3, 2020 at 5:05 pm #115808waterfieldParticipantPS — Reason Magazine has an ‘agenda’ W.
Its a Libertarian Magazine. I dont imagine they like ‘any’ Union.
“…Reason was founded in 1968 by Lanny Friedlander (1947–2011),[2][5] a student at Boston University,[6] as a more-or-less monthly mimeographed publication. In 1970 it was purchased by Robert W. Poole Jr., Manuel S. Klausner, and Tibor R. Machan, who set it on a more regular publishing schedule.[5][6] As the monthly print magazine of “free minds and free markets”, it covers politics, culture, and ideas with a mix of news, analysis, commentary, and reviews.
During the 1970s and 80s, the magazine’s contributors included Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard, Thomas Szasz, and Thomas Sowell.[7] In 1978, Poole, Klausner, and Machan created the associated Reason Foundation, in order to expand the magazine’s ideas into policy research.[5] Marty Zupan joined Reason in 1975, and served through the 1980s as managing editor and editor-in-chief, leaving in 1989.[8]…”
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I have to admit I know nothing about Reason or its background. So you are educating me.
June 3, 2020 at 5:21 pm #115791waterfieldParticipanthttps://law.jrank.org/pages/5259/Civilian-Review-Boards.html
This is a very brief explanation of the limited powers of civilian review boards. Giving power to civilians to fire gov’t employees is not something that can be accomplished under most, if not all, bargaining agreements. However, a judicial oversight committee can be a different story. But that is something than can only arise upon some sort of original litigation where evidence proves the need for such. Cities vary all across the nation as to the powers of a mayor and or city council as to the ability to fire a police officer, chief or commissioner.
Here is another article on how bargaining agreements negotiated by police unions impede the discipline of problematic officers.
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