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November 13, 2016 at 8:53 am #58043wvParticipant
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Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs,
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!—An ecstasy of fumbling
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
And flound’ring like a man in fire or lime.—
Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.In all my dreams before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.#(#It is sweet and glorious to die for one’s country)
Wilfred Owen
From the trenches during World War 1November 13, 2016 at 9:55 am #58056Billy_TParticipantThanks, WV, for the poem and the reading.
The loss of life in WWI was horrific, and it included the poet above. Tens of millions. Horrific levels of maiming too. All of this despite the far lower levels of “kill rate,” which our government soon sought to change. Most soldiers during WWI refused to actually shoot to kill. A majority wouldn’t purposely shoot to kill their enemies.
Governments around the world tried their best to increase the kill rate, with America in the lead. Went up during WWII, then up more in Korea, then waaay up in Nam. By the time we hit the Gulf War and the most recent invasions, that kill rate was top notch. The Psy-ops folks could then feel really “proud.”
If you’re interested in WWI history, I read an excellent book on it not long ago. Kind of a “people’s history,” but with a set number (20) of on the ground voices:
The Beauty and the Sorrow: An Intimate History of the First World War, by Peter Englund – review
It’s really worth reading.
Also, IMO, one of the greatest prose stylists in the English language, Ford Madox Ford, wrote a masterpiece/tetralogy on the subject. Four absolutely brilliant novels:
November 13, 2016 at 10:05 am #58060nittany ramModeratorSo Owen is saying he doesn’t like war?
Hard to tell given his bland, non-descriptive verbiage.
The effects of mustard gas…
Link: http://science.howstuffworks.com/mustard-gas3.htmNovember 13, 2016 at 10:12 am #58064Billy_TParticipantSo Owen is saying he doesn’t like war?
Hard to tell given his bland, non-descriptive verbiage.
He was antiwar. Arguably the two greatest English poets of that war were Owen and Siegfried Sassoon. Both were either antiwar going in, or became that way after seeing the slaughter, being gassed, suffering PTSD, etc.
November 13, 2016 at 10:14 am #58067nittany ramModeratorSo Owen is saying he doesn’t like war?
Hard to tell given his bland, non-descriptive verbiage.
He was antiwar. Arguably the two greatest English poets of that war were Owen and Siegfried Sassoon. Both were either antiwar going in, or became that way after seeing the slaughter, being gassed, suffering PTSD, etc.
Yeah I know. I was joking. That was about the most descriptive poem about the horrors of war that anyone could possibly write.
November 13, 2016 at 10:18 am #58069Billy_TParticipantSo Owen is saying he doesn’t like war?
Hard to tell given his bland, non-descriptive verbiage.
He was antiwar. Arguably the two greatest English poets of that war were Owen and Siegfried Sassoon. Both were either antiwar going in, or became that way after seeing the slaughter, being gassed, suffering PTSD, etc.
Yeah I know. I was joking. That was about the most descriptive poem about the horrors of war that anyone could possibly write.
Oh, man. You got me.
;>)
See, that’s what happens online when there’s no available “non-verbal communication.”
Hope all is well, Nittany.
November 13, 2016 at 10:27 am #58071nittany ramModeratorSo Owen is saying he doesn’t like war?
Hard to tell given his bland, non-descriptive verbiage.
He was antiwar. Arguably the two greatest English poets of that war were Owen and Siegfried Sassoon. Both were either antiwar going in, or became that way after seeing the slaughter, being gassed, suffering PTSD, etc.
Yeah I know. I was joking. That was about the most descriptive poem about the horrors of war that anyone could possibly write.
Oh, man. You got me.
;>)
See, that’s what happens online when there’s no available “non-verbal communication.”
Hope all is well, Nittany.
All is well. Hope the same is true for you. I just wanted to say I really appreciate all your scholarly knowledge on the humanities and politics that you post here. You are obviously a good student of the human condition, my friend.
November 13, 2016 at 11:17 am #58081ZooeyModeratorOkay, so I am preparing a lesson on War Poetry, and I already have this one, and the Thomas Hardy one in mind. I think it’s “The Man I Killed.”
Any other memorable war poems anyone can think of?
November 13, 2016 at 11:39 am #58084wvParticipantOkay, so I am preparing a lesson on War Poetry, and I already have this one, and the Thomas Hardy one in mind. I think it’s “The Man I Killed.”
Any other memorable war poems anyone can think of?
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Death of the Ball Turret GunnerFrom my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.Randall Jarrell
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=========“1) Did the people of Viet Nam
use lanterns of stone?
2) Did they hold ceremonies
to reverence the opening of buds?
3) Were they inclined to quiet laughter?
4) Did they use bone and ivory,
jade and silver, for ornament?
5) Had they an epic poem?
6) Did they distinguish between speech and singing?1) Sir, their light hearts turned to stone.
It is not remembered whether in gardens
stone lanterns illumined pleasant ways.
2) Perhaps they gathered once to delight in blossom,
but after the children were killed
there were no more buds.
3) Sir, laughter is bitter to the burned mouth.
4) A dream ago, perhaps. Ornament is for joy.
All the bones were charred.
5) It is not remembered. Remember,
most were peasants; their life
was in rice and bamboo.
When peaceful clouds were reflected in the paddies
and the water buffalo stepped surely along terraces,
maybe fathers told their sons old tales.
When bombs smashed those mirrors
there was time only to scream.
6) There is an echo yet
of their speech which was like a song.
It was reported their singing resembled
the flight of moths in moonlight.
Who can say? It is silent now.”
― Denise Levertov, Poems, 1960-1967===========
Army Burn Ward
This poem was written about the pain of Vietnam;it could be about tomorrow. Please. Peace.
First the doctor peels dead skin away.
“Debriding,” like a teacher, names it.
(Like a virgin, like a pockmarked whore.)
Then the whirlpool, pain-pull spiralling down
like fire, like broken birds inside him.
(Like a winter wedded to the bone.)
Then the grafting, four long strips of skin.
“Rebriding,” in his shock he giggles,
(Gagging like a schoolboy, like a groom.)
gagging as his new skin wrinkles, worms,
rejecting him. Again the whirlpool
(Like an April pain in soft swarms twirled.)
wheels and stops. The sink-plug pulled, he stares
(Like an empty coat, a burned-out star.)
unblinking as the brides inside him die.
Martin Galvin
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Trying to Write a Poem Against the War
My daughter, who’s as beautiful as the day,
hates politics: Face it, Ma,
they don’t care what you think! All
passion, like Achilles,
she stalks off to her room,
to confide in her purple guitar and await
life’s embassies. She’s right,
of course: bombs will be hurled
at ordinary streets
and leaders look grave for the cameras,
and what good are more poems against war
the real subject of which
so often seems to be the poet’s superior
moral sensitivities? I could
be mailing myself to the moon
or marrying a palm tree,
and yet what can we do
but offer what we have?
and so I spend
this cold gray glittering morning
trying to write a poem against war
that perhaps may please my daughter
who hates politics
and does not care much for poetry, either.
Katha Pollit————–
After Viewing the Holocaust Museum’s Room of Shoes
and a Gallery of Plains’ Indian Moccasins, Washington, D.C.
By Tiffany Midge
The portrait is clear;
one is art
the other evidence.
One is artifact
the other atrocity.
Each is interned
behind glass,
with diagrams
and panels,
a testament to miles
walked. Both
are worn,
each are a pair,
one is cobbled
the other beaded.
At my tour’s end
can I buy a key-chain shoe?
Will I be assigned
the ID card
of one of the perished
at Wounded Knee?
The moccasins
are beautiful. Seed pearls
woven intricate as lace.
We don’t mourn
the elegant doe skins,
we admire the handicraft.
We don’t ask from whose soles
do these relics come from?
We don’t look for signs of resistance,
or evidence of blood.
We don’t wonder
perhaps he was of a ripe
old age and died in his sleep.
Perhaps this child
traded for a stick of candy
or a pinch of dried meat.
We don’t assume
any original ownership at all.
Their deaths weren’t curated
not part of an installation. We
don’t absorb their violent
or harrowing ends under soft
lights or dramatic shadows.
We look right
through them,
more invisible
than the sighs
of ghosts.
And then we move
on to the next
viewing,
to another
collector’s trophy
lying
under the glass
==============More Light! More Light!
by Anthony HechtFor Heinrich Blucher and Hannah Arendt
Composed in the Tower before his execution
These moving verses, and being brought at that time
Painfully to the stake, submitted, declaring thus:
“I implore my God to witness that I have made no crime.”Nor was he forsaken of courage, but the death was horrible,
The sack of gunpowder failing to ignite.
His legs were blistered sticks on which the black sap
Bubbled and burst as he howled for the Kindly Light.And that was but one, and by no means one of he worst;
Permitted at least his pitiful dignity;
And such as were by made prayers in the name of Christ,
That shall judge all men, for his soul’s tranquility.We move now to outside a German wood.
Three men are there commanded to dig a hole
In which the two Jews are ordered to lie down
And be buried alive by the third, who is a Pole.Not light from the shrine at Weimar beyond the hill
Nor light from heaven appeared. But he did refuse.
A Luger settled back deeply in its glove.
He was ordered to change places with the Jews.Much casual death had drained away their souls.
The thick dirt mounted toward the quivering chin.
When only the head was exposed the order came
To dig him out again and to get back in.No light, no light in the blue Polish eye.
When he finished a riding boot packed down the earth.
The Luger hovered lightly in its glove.
He was shot in the belly and in three hours bled to death.No prayers or incense rose up in those hours
Which grew to be years, and every day came mute
Ghosts from the ovens, sifting through crisp air,
And settled upon his eyes in a black soot.
————November 13, 2016 at 11:47 am #58085Billy_TParticipantThanks, Nittany.
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Zooey,
Have you considered Paul Celan’s Deathfugue? It’s beyond devastating. I don’t read German, but I bought his (bilingual) selected prose and poetry, translated by John Felstiner. Have previously read his excellent bio on Celan, with its essential (side) discussion on the difficulties of translation.
I read it too long ago to be sure about this, but I think Celan’s poem was at least in part an answer to Adorno’s comment, “There can be no (lyric) poetry after Auschwitz.”
(That comment has been translated with or without the lyric part.)
https://www.celan-projekt.de/todesfuge-englisch.html
Black milk of daybreak we drink it at evening
we drink it at midday and morning we drink it at night
we drink and we drink
we shovel a grave in the air there you won’t lie too cramped
A man lives in the house he plays with his vipers he writes
he writes when it grows dark to Deutschland your golden hair Margareta
he writes it and steps out of doors and the stars are all sparkling, he whistles his hounds to come close
he whistles his Jews into rows has them shovel a grave in the ground
he commands us to play up for the dance.Black milk of daybreak we drink you at night
we drink you at morning and midday we drink you at evening
we drink and we drink
A man lives in the house he plays with his vipers he writes
he writes when it grows dark to Deutschland your golden hair Margareta
Your ashen hair Shulamith we shovel a grave in the air there you won’t lie too crampedHe shouts jab the earth deeper you lot there you others sing up and play
he grabs for the rod in his belt he swings it his eyes are so blue
jab your spades deeper you lot there you others play on for the dancingBlack milk of daybreak we drink you at night
we drink you at midday and morning we drink you at evening
we drink and we drink
a man lives in the house your goldenes Haar Margareta
your aschenes Haar Shulamith he plays his vipers
He shouts play death more sweetly this Death is a master from Deutschland
he shouts scrape your strings darker you’ll rise then as smoke to the sky
you’ll have a grave then in the clouds there you won’t lie too crampedBlack milk of daybreak we drink you at night
we drink you at midday Death is a master aus Deutschland
we drink you at evening and morning we drink and we drink
this Death is ein Meister aus Deutschland his eye it is blue
he shoots you with shot made of lead shoots you level and true
a man lives in the house your goldenes Haar Margarete
he looses his hounds on us grants us a grave in the air
he plays with his vipers and daydreams der Tod ist ein Meister aus Deutschlanddein goldenes Haar Margarete
dein aschenes Haar Shulamith(Übersetzung von John Felstiner, in: Paul Celan – Poet, Survivor, Jew. New Haven 1995.)
November 13, 2016 at 11:47 am #58086znModeratorOkay, so I am preparing a lesson on War Poetry, and I already have this one, and the Thomas Hardy one in mind. I think it’s “The Man I Killed.”
Any other memorable war poems anyone can think of?
This guy was familiar with the Polish resistance during WW2
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Zbigniew Herbert
Our Fear (1956)
Our fear
does not wear a night shirt
does not have owl’s eyes
does not lift a casket lid
does not extinguish a candledoes not have a dead man’s face either
our fear
is a scrap of paper
found in a pocket
‘warn Wójcik
the place on Dluga Street is hot’our fear
does not rise on the wings of the tempest
does not sit on a church tower
it is down-to-earthit has the shape
of a bundle made in haste
with warm clothing
provisions
and armsour fear
does not have the face of a dead man
the dead are gentle to us
we carry them on our shoulders
sleep under the same blanket
close their eyes
adjust their lips
pick a dry spot
and bury themnot too deep
not too shallowNovember 13, 2016 at 11:56 am #58089Billy_TParticipantIt’s not poetry, of course. But another brilliant (and neglected) writer, who concentrated primarily on WWI and its aftermath is Joseph Roth. One of my favorites, all-time. Austrian. German-language. I’ve read a half dozen of his novels and some of his reportage, and I don’t think people can go wrong with any of them.
His most famous novel, however, and arguably his best, is The Radetsky March. He was pretty much a life-long leftist, too.
and:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5552090
Excerpt:
Zoe Heller on a Joseph Roth Classic
July 13, 20062:45 PM ET
Chris Lehmann
Zoe Heller was born in England in 1965. Her most recent novel, What Was She Thinking, was shortlisted for the Booker Prize in 2003 and has now been adapted for the screen. (The film, starring Judi Dench and Cate Blanchett, is to be released in December 2006.) Her next novel, The Believers, will be published by Henry Holt in 2007.
Call them buttonhole books, the ones you urge passionately on friends, colleagues and passersby. All readers have them — and so do writers. This summer, NPR.org talks with authors about their favorite buttonhole books in the weekly series “You Must Read This.”
Joseph Roth’s 1932 masterpiece, The Radetzky March, captures with remarkable fullness the abrupt passage of the Old Europe into the modern world. Roth captures this big theme in an arresting account of the rise and fall of one imperial Austrian family: the Trottas, a line of Slovenian peasants who came into nobility when an army lieutenant in the line famously saved the life of Kaiser Franz Joseph at the Battle of Solferino in 1859. Promoted to captain and given a title, Baron Joseph von Trotta retires into rural obscurity and dies; his son, Franz, grows up to be a nondescript government functionary.
Franz’s bumbling son, Carl Joseph, resumes the family’s military vocation at his father’s urging, with consistently disastrous results. He ineptly thrusts his best friend, the Jewish doctor Demant, into a senseless duel. He takes a married lover, and piles up gambling debts and lost alcoholic weekends in a remote military outpost near the Ukrainian border. A crisis builds that would permanently jeopardize the family’s honor and good name, and the machinery of imperial favor lurches into gear one final time — only to be overtaken by the assassination of the Kaiser’s son Franz Ferdinand and the approach of the Great War.
November 13, 2016 at 12:15 pm #58098Billy_TParticipantThe French produced some great war poetry as well. But, like the German, I’m stuck with reading translations. I still get so much from those, and try to find alternative translations for my favorite poets — 99% via actual books, not online.
To shorten the list, Robert Desnos, Guillame Apollinaire and Paul Eluard, might be good places to start.
Eluard’s Liberté
Liberté
On my school notebooks
On my desk and on the trees
On the sands of snow
I write your nameOn the pages I have read
On all the white pages
Stone, blood, paper or ash
I write your nameOn the images of gold
On the weapons of the warriors
On the crown of the king
I write your nameOn the jungle and the desert
On the nest and on the brier
On the echo of my childhood
I write your nameOn all my scarves of blue
On the moist sunlit swamps
On the living lake of moonlight
I write your nameOn the fields, on the horizon
On the birds’ wings
And on the mill of shadows
I write your nameOn each whiff of daybreak
On the sea, on the boats
On the demented mountaintop
I write your nameOn the froth of the cloud
On the sweat of the storm
On the dense rain and the flat
I write your nameOn the flickering figures
On the bells of colors
On the natural truth
I write your nameOn the high paths
On the deployed routes
On the crowd-thronged square
I write your nameOn the lamp which is lit
On the lamp which isn’t
On my reunited thoughts
I write your nameOn a fruit cut in two
Of my mirror and my chamber
On my bed, an empty shell
I write your nameOn my dog, greathearted and greedy
On his pricked-up ears
On his blundering paws
I write your nameOn the latch of my door
On those familiar objects
On the torrents of a good fire
I write your nameOn the harmony of the flesh
On the faces of my friends
On each outstretched hand
I write your nameOn the window of surprises
On a pair of expectant lips
In a state far deeper than silence
I write your nameOn my crumbled hiding-places
On my sunken lighthouses
On my walls and my ennui
I write your nameOn abstraction without desire
On naked solitude
On the marches of death
I write your nameAnd for the want of a word
I renew my life
For I was born to know you
To name youLiberty.
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