Podcast – Goff's progress and position shakeups

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    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    A review of the Rams’ 14-10 loss to the Dolphins, rookie Jared Goff’s progress and a look at position shakeups heading into a game against New Orleans.

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    #59601
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    when i say fisher has lost this team i don’t mean to say players are revolting against him.

    i believe players like playing for him. i just think players have gotten way too comfortable on his team. there are no repercussions to the constant mental errors. i remember tavon saying that he was unprepared at the giants game. maybe they finally make changes on the oline this weekend. gurley not training as hard this offseason? well why not get him some more reps in the preseason. don’t let him off easy.

    there isn’t a healthy fear of him. it’s too easy maybe playing under fisher. i don’t know. i could be totally off base here.

    #59604
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    there are no repercussions to the constant mental errors

    Here’s the fallacy for me.

    We have no idea what takes place behind closed doors.

    And in fact I have seen a long series of things where players have repercussions with Fisher. Remember Jenkins running the stairs while benched at SF in 2012? Want a list of guys they cut or let go and so on?

    But as a rule you can’t get consistency and coherence from an offensive line if you bench guys, so, I don’t know what he would do there except keep plugging away and coaching it.

    So I don’t understand these kinds of declarations–that players are comfortable etc. and so they don’t execute.

    It just strikes me as the stuff you get from frustrated fans, whether or not it has any real connection to the reality of the team.

    It just seems to me that when a team loses, fans come up with theories, which usually involve blaming someone.

    When the team wins, they just celebrate.

    I am one of those people who is skeptical about all the “we’re losing for this reason” theories, most of which just involve mind-reading. All I really see with that is the fan being frustrated.

    And I don’t think replacing linemen for some over-magnified mistakes in week 11 fixes anything. So that’s why I am skeptical. They aren’t losing because Player X had this penalty in game 10. It goes way beyond that. In fact it’s so far beyond that, that the simple theory that somehow they aren’t “accountable” makes no sense.

    If they can do one thing to win, it seems to me, it’s get Goff up and going. If they had a qb half the things we complain about would never even come up. That too is a theory, I know.

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    #59606
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    well we disagree obviously. and that’s fine.

    it’s not just one mistake here or there. it’s the cumulative effect. not just of penalties. mental errors. tavon supposedly not being ready for the ny game. gurley not being prepared for the season. ogletree one year showing up not ready.

    it may be a simple theory. then again just getting goff up and running is simple too.

    usually it’s a combination of things. it might be a combination of those two factors as well as others such as needing a new coordinator.

    who knows?

    #59607
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    it’s not just one mistake here or there. it’s the cumulative effect. not just of penalties. mental errors. tavon supposedly not being ready for the ny game.

    Tavon didn’t say he wasn’t ready btw.

    In any event, people focus on those things because they’re losing. You know what I see? I see a team that’s pressing. They’re pressing because the margin of error is so small.

    And, the reason the margin of error is so small is, to me, one thing and one thing only. QB.

    Get a qb, which in this case means waiting for Goff to mature, and the margin of error is less, and they press less and play from confidence, and the errors diminish PLUS we stop magnfifying them.

    It is, and was, and always was, just the qb.

    When the qb is fine they will be fine and we will not be having these exchanges about what the “cause” is. I really believe that. I would be surprised if this theory turned out to be wrong.

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    #59609
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    that’s very true. i will say that solving such a crucial position on offense will make a lot of this go away. i’m certainly not denying that.

    but we also know that qb performance is related to the pieces around him which is one reason why dak is doing so well in dallas. and one reason why case was having difficulty performing in this offense.

    so goff being an answer doesn’t solve the other problems on offense.

    #59612
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    and i also have to say that the defense has performed well overall. so yeah. fisher has to get credit for that.

    maybe the oc needs to be changed. i don’t know. again i say all this while acknowledging that much of what i’m saying is speculation.

    i just don’t think fisher comes away from this clean.

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