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May 8, 2016 at 5:32 pm #43643
znModeratorQB Jared Goff graded higher for PFF in 2015 than Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota did in 2014. And he can do this:
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Pro Football Focus: Goff graded higher in 2015 than Winston, Mariota in 2014
Pro Football Focus: Goff graded higher in 2015 than Winston, Mariota in 2014
While both second-year quarterbacks Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota were impressive in college, Jared Goff’s 2015 campaign apparently was even better than the final collegiate seasons of both players. At least, if you ask Pro Football Focus.
What’s really the most shocking part about this is that Goff graded higher than Mariota. This is mainly surprising just due to the fact that the former Oregon star threw for 4,454 yards, 42 touchdowns and just four interceptions in 2014. In comparison, Goff threw for 4,714 yards, 43 touchdowns and 13 interceptions last season.
May 9, 2016 at 7:44 pm #43739znModeratorfrom MMQB: http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/30/nfl-jared-goff-cleveland-browns-tim-couch-2016-draft
from an article published before the Rams trade-up
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Cleveland’s signing of Robert Griffin III clouds the Browns’ QB future but doesn’t seal it. Only $6.75 million of Griffin’s contract is guaranteed, and that total isn’t enough to preclude them from dealing Josh McCown and pulling a trigger on a quarterback with the second overall pick. . . .Goff appeared to have the inside track—and with good reason. He was the first true freshman to start under center for Cal in the school’s history, and by the start of his junior season he’d developed into the most complete quarterback in the country. As a thrower, his accuracy down the field and outside the numbers might be his greatest strength. Goff’s favorite throw of last season came in Cal’s win against Texas in mid-September. On a 4th-and-3 in Longhorns territory, he dropped back to the 25, turned his head to the left to hold the free safety and finally whipped back to the right and floated a throw to Kenny Lawler just inside the pylon. There’s a reason Goff was First Team All Pac 12. He can put the ball wherever he wants to. He’ll make it rain out there.
Great arms come along all the time, but by the end of his time at Cal, Goff’s control—of both his surroundings and the Cal offense—is what put distance between him and the rest of the country’s prospects. His pocket presence seems preternatural. Goff navigated traffic with what seemed like a sixth sense during his final year at Cal, side-stepping rushers and finding throwing lanes while never fixating on those chasing him. He says he never sees actual rushers, only “flashes of color” in his peripheral vision, and it shows. Last season was also the first in which Goff was given complete audible power at the line of scrimmage. When he felt the need to change a play, there was a green light to do it.
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May 10, 2016 at 12:03 pm #43774znModeratorWas moving up for Jared Goff — or any quarterback — a bad idea?
Nick Wagoner
The actual results of the trade between the Los Angeles Rams and Tennessee Titans won’t be fully realized until the Titans use what’s left of the picks acquired from the Rams next year.
Even then it will be too early to take stock of how those players drafted by the Titans and Rams fared. But ESPN senior writer Peter Keating’s latest column asserts that it’s not too early to declare a winner in the trade itself.
Keating writes in the next issue of ESPN The Magazine that the Titans fleeced the Rams and the Cleveland Browns ran circles around the Philadelphia Eagles in their respective trade-ups for the top two quarterbacks in the draft.
In making the case that the deal was bad for the Rams, Keating points to the “Loser’s Curse,” a research paper which argues that performance declines the lower you go in the draft but that decline isn’t nearly as quick as many teams believe. He also lists the names of quarterbacks taken in the top five of the draft after a team moved up to get them. The list — Jeff George, Kerry Collins, Ryan Leaf, Michael Vick, Mark Sanchez, Robert Griffin III — isn’t too inspiring.
Of course, history shows that such bold moves haven’t really worked out for teams making those trades to move up. But if Goff finds a way to buck the trend and become the franchise quarterback the Rams hope he can be, nobody will remember or care what the Rams gave up to get him.
May 10, 2016 at 3:25 pm #43793
InvaderRamModeratorhis red zone stats are jaw dropping. that’s what excites me the most.
and his feet in the pocket look great.
as i’ve said before bradford in the pocket could never sense where the pass rush was coming from.
i think goff could be bradford with better pocket presence and better vision. facing that much pressure and still having the ability to find receivers. he should be way ahead of sam in those departments.
May 10, 2016 at 3:40 pm #43794znModeratorhis red zone stats are jaw dropping. that’s what excites me the most.
and his feet in the pocket look great.
as i’ve said before bradford in the pocket could never sense where the pass rush was coming from.
i think goff could be bradford with better pocket presence and better vision. facing that much pressure and still having the ability to find receivers. he should be way ahead of sam in those departments.
It will be interesting in a couple of years to rank all the best Rams qbs from the 70s on.
I say from the 70s on because very few of us have seen them play in earlier years.
Goff I am pretty sure will be on that list. But Bradford will too. Bradford was the Rams’ Drew Bledsoe.
It will be interesting to rank Goff with these guys (alphabetical order): Bradford Bulger Everett Ferragamo Warner.
I don’t count Green because he didn’t play enough for the Rams to be ranked.
And for the inevitable arguments that show up whenever this topic comes up— no, sorry, I simply cannot count Rubley on that list. If you’re going to be one of those who insist on fighting over that, go start your own board. The Rubley wars are over. It’s done. Finito. Move on.
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May 10, 2016 at 4:05 pm #43795InvaderRamModeratori can only go from qbs i personally watched which is from 1995.
i definitely think he can be better than pretty tony.
now go watch him go on to be a huge flop.
May 10, 2016 at 4:14 pm #43796InvaderRamModeratoralso when i say goff can be bradford with better pocket presence and vision that’s a compliment.
i mean imagine bradford with better pocket presence and vision…
that’s pretty good i think.
as far as supporting cast his rookie year bradford might actually have a slight edge.
he had jackson and amendola.
just think he’d be better off with a high volume pass catcher to take pressure off him. without that i don’t see his passer rating going north of 80. maybe next year if cooper and/or thomas get more experience. i actually think cooper can be that guy eventually but he needs time.
May 11, 2016 at 2:10 am #43828znModeratoralso when i say goff can be bradford with better pocket presence and vision that’s a compliment.
i mean imagine bradford with better pocket presence and vision…
that’s pretty good i think.
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will Goff’s rookie season be statistically greater than or worse than Bradford’s rookie season?
Better. Goff has a better team around him and a better coaching staff. He might not throw for 3500+ yards depending on how many attempts Fisher gives him but I think he’ll post better efficiency numbers.
It’s crazy to think about because 6 years is such little time but things have changed greatly. After Bradford’s rookie year in 2010, Bradford was first all time in completions and pass attempts. He was second all time in passing yards. He was fourth all time in passing TDs. Bradford’s QB Rating was top 10 all time. These numbers are all among rookie QBs. Bradford was fourth all time in rookie passing TDs in 2010. Between 2011 and 2015, nine QBs bested that mark. Think about that for a second. Insane.Rookie stats have taken off since Bradford’s rookie year. That’s because of rule changes which have caused statistical inflation and evolving schemes which have made it easier for rookie QBs to adapt to the NFL. Simply put, even if Goff performs relative to his peers at the same level as rookie Bradford, his final numbers in 2016 will still be better.
We return every single player from our 2015 OL which performed FAR better than the 2009 OL. Our OL now is a question mark but I have a lot more confidence in them than I had in that 2010 unit. Four out of the five starters on that 2010 OL were out of the NFL by the end of the 2012 season. Three of the five starters were out of the NFL after the 2011 season. And the only guy who lasted past 2012 is Rodger Saffold. He’s now an OG. He played LT in 2010.
And we do have the benefit of knowing that SJ’s decline started in 2010 while Gurley is nowhere near his decline. Our question mark is in regard to how much our young OLs will improve rather than who will be playing what position. We have every single OL back from last year. It’s a group with continuity that had an opportunity to build chemistry and improved over the season.
I’d take our current WR corp over the 2010 version. We have a lot more talent and Britt/Austin are much more talented than Amendola + any other WR on 2010. Our WRs in 2010 were like 8 games of healthy Clayton/Alexander, a good slot WR in Amendola, ineffective Gibson and Robinson, and a couple TEs who barely belonged on a NFL roster in Bajema and Fells.
Our WRs in 2010 were like 8 games of healthy Clayton/Alexander, a good slot WR in Amendola, ineffective Gibson and Robinson, and a couple TEs who barely belonged on a NFL roster in Bajema and Fells.
It’s arguable that Amendola was better than anything we currently have. That’ll depend on what Austin and Britt show with a better QB. But I see a much more talented WR corp here now. Britt has the potential to put up 800-1000 yards and 8-10 TDs. We don’t know what Austin can be. We just know he’s a better weapon than anything on the 2010 Rams. And then we have some young unknowns in Cooper, Higbee, Thomas, Quick, Marquez, and Hemingway.
Quick better come to play, though. I think Spruce and McRoberts will battle him hard for his job. There’s a possibility that they keep McRoberts over Quick if Quick doesn’t show up well and they’re worried that McRoberts will get grabbed by another team.
I also think Stedman ends up on the non-football injury list. Don’t see him playing in 2016. If he does play, he’ll battle with Marquez.
I also forgot about JJ Worton. I like the guy. Don’t underestimate him. Might battle Spruce and Marquez for that final roster spot.
Both Thomas and McRoberts are talented guys. Both are raw and probably won’t contribute much in 2016. I think the Rams are unlikely to release Thomas because he won’t make it to the practice squad. If Thomas sees the field, it’ll likely be as a situational deep threat. His route running has a long ways to go based on his college film.
If you look at the QBs that Britt has had, they’re terrible. We know Britt has limitations but he also has some pretty major strengths, namely getting vertical. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to believe that having a legitimately talented starting QB can boost Britt’s yardage and TD totals. I think we can all agree that WR numbers are strongly tied to the effectiveness of the QB and passing game.
Plus, while we all have reservations about Austin as a pure WR, there’s no denying his ability as a weapon. He put up over 900+ yards from scrimmage last year and 9 offensive TDs on a terrible offense. He, at worst, is an effective weapon and decoy. But with a precision passer like Goff, we might find that Austin is a pretty good WR too.
After that, we have a bunch of unknowns. But they’re talented unknowns who were highly productive in college.
What sets Cooper apart from Spruce? Both guys are savvy players and have outstanding mitts. The difference between them is that Cooper is a very dangerous and effective runner after the catch and plays with more strength, physicality, and aggression.
Cooper’s body type, play style, and skill-set make him an ideal fit in the slot. Spruce is a bit of a tweener. He has the body type and play style of an outside WR with the athletic skill-set of a slot WR. I like Spruce. I think it’s going to be hard for the Rams to cut him. I think he’ll stick around on the practice squad if he doesn’t make the roster. But he’s not as good of a prospect as Cooper and the NFL projection for him isn’t as clear as Cooper’s is.
I think Goff is a better player than he’s given credit for by many of the media and I know we still have a top 10 running game and defense. I think, with a legitimate QB here, we’ll see Fisher throw the ball 55% to 56% of the time. If we can actually sustain drives (and I think we will to a greater extent than 2015), that’s 550-560+ dropbacks in a year. After you account for sacks, that’s around 510 to 540 passing attempts.
Gurley is great. Austin and Britt produce much more with a competent QB. The OL plays at an above average to good level. And the defense is top 10 caliber again. Zuerlein has a bounce back year since Fisher doesn’t ask him to attempt nothing but long FGs.
May 11, 2016 at 2:31 am #43830InvaderRamModeratori think he underestimates the need for better receivers. even mariota and winston had 1000 yard receivers on their team their rookie years, and i don’t see who that’s going to be on the rams.
unless cooper is or thomas is a complete surprise. bradford at least had amendola. not a 1000 yard receiver but he had 80 catches that season. luck had wayne.
i think next year will be the year. when hopefully cooper and thomas are ready to step up.
May 12, 2016 at 12:16 am #43912znModeratorMay 12, 2016 at 12:59 am #43916
AgamemnonParticipantI am glad we added a bunch of players that can catch the ball. We are better already. 😉
AgamemnonMay 12, 2016 at 9:10 pm #43965znModeratorMontana: Every indicator says Goff will make it in the league
Hall of Famer Joe Montana talks about Los Angeles Rams QB Jared Goff and how well he will transition to the NFL.
May 12, 2016 at 10:52 pm #43968InvaderRamModeratori just want to say in that montana interview. higbee looks huge! and not just huge but really really long! here’s hoping that he’ll be a success and will stay out of trouble.
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