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  • #34922
    Avatar photozn
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    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/11/30/denver-broncos-new-england-patriots-week-12-nfl-cj-anderson

    “Anyone who implies that it’s an effort issue, they can kiss my ass. Because there’s no effort problems.”
    —Rams coach Jeff Fisher, irked after the loss to Cincinnati on Sunday when asked if the Rams’ recent run of poor play is due to a lack of effort. St. Louis has lost four in a row, the past three by a combined 51 points.

    Michigan State denied permission to the St. Louis Rams to speak with coach Mark Dantonio in 2012 when the Rams were looking for a head coach. The Rams hired Jeff Fisher.

    I think this is what I didn’t like about Week 12:
    a. Nick Foles.
    b. I mean, that is all. You can’t throw the pick-six he threw to Leon Hall. Just can’t. And the floater to George Iloka. Seventh-grade interceptions.

    e. St. Louis cornerback Janoris Jenkins, passing off A.J. Green to no one, and Green waltzing alone into the end zone, getting the easiest touchdown of the day. Biggest coverage gaffe of the day.

    9. I think I have seen enough of the Rams’ veteran quarterbacks—and I bet every Rams fan has too. That’s why Jeff Fisher should start third-round rookie Sean Mannion from Oregon State against Arizona at home on Sunday—and, if he’s competent, for the rest of the season. Mannion certainly can’t do any worse than Nick Foles or Case Keenum.

    #34927
    Avatar photowv
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    If I’m the coach, I’m starting Mannion
    in the last home game. That would be
    the Tampa game. I wouldnt want him
    starting in an away game.

    Give him some playing time against
    ARIZONA and Detroit and then
    see what he can do against the Bucs.

    I dont think Fisher will do that
    but I’d do it.

    And I dont think Mannion would do
    well but i think he might do ‘as’ well
    as Keenum or Foles.

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    v

    #34928
    PA Ram
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    I don’t think Fisher is being entirely honest when he says: “Mannion isn’t ready.”

    He really can’t be worse than what they have. I think he’s more concerned about destroying Mannion’s confidence for the future by having him play with this dysfunctional offense. And he may not be wrong. This season is lost. I get it.

    But they also have to decide what the quarterback situation is going forward and Mannion is part of that. They won’t know with him sitting on the bench. So while I get the concern, I also think they need to see how he holds up in this miserable situation. No one is expecting miracles. But what does he bring? How cool can he be?

    It’s worth looking at.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #34930
    Avatar photozn
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    don’t think Fisher is being entirely honest when he says: “Mannion isn’t ready.”

    That’s a perfectly valid type of assessment on Fisher’s part, especially given the fact that Mannion never had the reps (Foles and Keenum always got more). And I doubt he would say that if it weren’t also the assessment of his qb coach and coordinator, who ought to know.

    Really, just because we’re mad at a coach, doesn’t mean he actually IS being things like dishonest. Especially when the real odds favor him being right about something like that.

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    #34933
    PA Ram
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    I don’t know if he’s really ready or not. But does Foles look ready? Is Mannion struggling to learn the playbook? maybe–but we haven’t heard that from anyone. Of course he doesn’t get the snaps but that’s up to Fisher. My point,I guess is that it’s up to Fisher to get him ready–if he chooses but I’m not so sure he wants to do that because of the state of the offense. Is that a good thing? I don’t know. Maybe long term it is. Maybe it doesn’t matter.

    But I look at a team that needs a QB right now because Foles doesn’t look at all like even the average, game manager type QB I hoped he’d be. He’s had some moments, for sure. But he’s had bad moments more. So to me, I look at what this team has and if I’m a realist, I make some decisions going forward. And the same goes for Robinson. What have they got there? And I don’t care about potential. When you are picked 2nd in the draft you’d better be ready to go–and he hasn’t been.

    And I see very little to indicate he will suddenly “get it” and be the all-pro LT that someone of his draft selection status should become. I don’t even see a functional part right now. He may have all the ability in the world physically but that’s not going to cut it now. I hope he makes it at guard, I really do. But for now–that is a position with a big problem IMO.

    • This reply was modified 9 years ago by PA Ram.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #34937
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    I don’t know if he’s really ready or not. But does Foles look ready?

    And Foles isn’t the starter.

    I like it that the coach sticks by his policies. If a rookie qb isn’t ready he doesn’t play.

    Meanwhile we’re angry fans so we think we know solutions the coaches don’t.

    #34941
    bnw
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    Here’s the coaches solution for 4 years running. Saffold! What a nightmare.

    • This reply was modified 9 years ago by bnw.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #34943
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    Here’s the coaches solution for 4 years running. Saffold! What a nightmare.

    I don’t think there’s any coaches control over the OL injury situation.

    This can’t be ignored—in 2 years they added 8 young linemen and only 1 (Donnal) had a prior injury history. But 7 of the 8 so far have been injured, including 3 out for the season in the space of 2 games (Brown, Williams, Donnal).

    The odds against that are astronomical. It has nothing to do with the coaches.

    Meanwhile both Reynolds and Havenstein have played well. Predictably a young line struggled, but there was no way to predict the injury situation in 2015 any more than there was a way to predict it in 2007 (when it was far worse than it is now.)

    #34944
    bnw
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    Here’s the coaches solution for 4 years running. Saffold! What a nightmare.

    I don’t think there’s any coaches control over the OL injury situation.

    This can’t be ignored—in 2 years they added 8 young linemen and only 1 (Donnal) had a prior injury history. But 7 of the 8 so far have been injured, including 3 out for the season in the space of 2 games (Brown, Williams, Donnal).

    The odds against that are astronomical. It has nothing to do with the coaches.

    Meanwhile both Reynolds and Havenstein have played well. Predictably a young line struggled, but there was no way to predict the injury situation in 2015 any more than there was a way to predict it in 2007 (when it was far worse than it is now.)

    I do not remember Havenstein playing well.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #34946
    Avatar photoZooey
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    I would give Mannion garbage time duty only at this point. But I would give him that. A possession or two at the end of the game.

    #34950
    Dak
    Participant

    I’d get Mannion ready to go right away if I thought he could do any better than what they have. I’ll defer to the coaches. I mean, I wondered why Keenum wasn’t in there a week earlier, and then I see Keenum, and man, he’s just awful. So, they tried to get Foles back on track as long as they could. It didn’t work. So, you try Keenum. Who makes me yearn for Austin Davis. I bet Mannion would struggle, too.

    There’s just no good place to go on offense. And, now the defense is starting to struggle at times.

    We’ve got ourselves a full-on meltdown, and there’s not one QB on this team who can turn it around. It’s going to take a lot of players playing better, and getting healthier.

    #34971
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    I do not remember Havenstein playing well.

    I think he played well. It’s telling that PFF has him ranked as the 4th best ROT. Some might disagree with the exact ranking, but he’s up there.

    #34980
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    Perhaps Fisher is concerned about how the veterans will receive the news of starting Mannion while the team isn’t yet mathematically eliminated. Players might take it as a waving of the white flag by Fisher. Just guessing.

    #34982
    PA Ram
    Participant

    I don’t think Havenstein or Brown are there yet–but they show some promise at least. I think they could develop into quality NFL players. Of course the injury curse hasn’t helped them this year. But Saffold has lingering questions about his health and Robinson has lingering questions about his ability to become a solid LT in this league. So the line will continue to be a “work-in-progress”.

    I’d really like them to settle down the LT spot next year by investing in solid vet or if that’s too expensive and they’re in position for a good young player–take him. I know they’ve failed at both of those strategies(Long, Robinson)but they HAVE to solve that problem somehow in order to fix this offense, IMO. So as frustrating as it is, I think they are back to square one there and like it or not, they have to address it. Hopefully they get value with Robinson at guard.

    But this is another reason I want to see Mannion– to see what they have. Obviously they have to solve the QB problem over and above anything else–but if they assume that Mannion is that guy without really testing him–we won’t know until he fails spectacularly and then it’s another lost season.

    I’m starting to feel at peace that this is another lost season.

    I’m accepting that.

    So maybe it’s time for Fisher to loosen up. Give Mannion some time–loosen the offense up a bit and make this team throw more–even if they fail. Find some way to develop a passing game and use your weapons. Commit to it. You’re failing anyway.

    Maybe that sort of investment now will help next year.

    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick

    #34985
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    Perhaps Fisher is concerned about how the veterans will receive the news of starting Mannion while the team isn’t yet mathematically eliminated. Players might take it as a waving of the white flag by Fisher. Just guessing.

    I think he really thinks Mannion isn’t ready. From the last press conference:

    (On QB Sean Mannion)
    “Well, he’s doing everything he can. He’s been in the meetings with the quarterbacks every day since the draft. He got reps during camp. He got to play in preseason games. Once you get in the regular season, your (No.) one’s and (No.) two’s are getting the reps. It’s hard to get your (No.) three reps. (No.) One gets primarily, probably 95 percent of the reps. Your No. 2 gets to work against the defense. Last week because of the circumstances, Sean got a little bit more work against the defense. But, I think when he comes in the game in ‘mop up’ situations like that where the defense declared itself and still six for seven and making good decisions and putting the ball where he’s supposed to, there’s light there and there’s hope there.”

    (On if you only draft a quarterback in the third round of the NFL draft because you think he’s a potential starter)
    “That’s correct, yeah. Not many teams have drafted a quarterback in the third round and started him as a rookie either. It takes time.”

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