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    OTs Jake Fisher, Donovan Smith could go late in first round

    By Mike Huguenin
    College Football 24/7 writer
    Published: April 24, 2015 at 09:37 a.m.
    Updated: April 24, 2015 at 10:38 a.m.

    There is no clear-cut pecking order among offensive linemen in this draft, and NFL Media analyst Daniel Jeremiah said two surprising names could sneak into the first round.

    Fisher (6-foot-6, 306 pounds) was a three-year starter for Oregon; he was a reserve guard as a true freshman in 2011, started at right tackle in 2012 and ’13, then started at left tackle last season, when he missed two games with a leg injury. He never played offensive line until he arrived at Oregon; he was a tight end and defensive end in high school in Traverse City, Mich.
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    Smith (6-6, 338) surprised a few analysts by leaving Penn State following his junior season, but he already had graduated and it appears the move is going to pay off. After redshirting as a true freshman in 2011, he was a three-year starter at left tackle for the Nittany Lions. He missed two games in 2014, but Penn State never released information about his injury.

    NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein said Fisher would seem to fit best in a zone-based scheme, but touts his athleticism and his ability to play both tackle spots and even guard if needed. Smith is a powerful player, but he might lack the athleticism to be a left tackle, meaning a move inside — or to right tackle — could be in his future.

    Numerous teams likely would be interested in an offensive lineman late in the first round or early in the second: Denver at pick 28, Indianapolis at 29, New Orleans at 31, New England at 32, Tennessee at 33, Tampa Bay at 34, Oakland at 35, Jacksonville at 36, the New York Jets at 37, Washington at 38, Chicago at 39 and St. Louis at 41.

    Mike Huguenin can be reached at mike.huguenin@nfl.com. You also can follow him on Twitter @MikeHuguenin.

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    Rams draft preview: Offensive line

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17881/rams-draft-preview-offensive-line-2

    EARTH CITY, Mo. — The NFL draft is set to begin April 30 and the St. Louis Rams hold six picks in this year’s selection process. For the next week and a half, we’ll take a look at a different position every day — what the Rams have in place at a position, what they need, when they might address it and some possible fits.

    We continue the countdown with a look at this year’s crop of offensive linemen.

    In place: Greg Robinson, Rodger Saffold, Barrett Jones, Tim Barnes, Demetrius Rhaney, Garrett Reynolds, Brandon Washington, Travis Bond.

    What’s needed: As we’ve discussed almost non-stop since the end of the season, there is no more pressing need on the entire roster than the offensive line. The Rams have Robinson and Saffold penciled into the starting lineup, and coach Jeff Fisher has made clear Robinson will be the left tackle moving forward. After that, it’s mostly guesswork. As it stands, Jones, Barnes and Rhaney will compete for the starting center job, a job left open by the departure of Scott Wells, who was released in March. There is still an opening at guard and right tackle, though, as Joe Barksdale remains unsigned and Reynolds was brought in for depth. It’s possible the Rams could bring Barksdale back and they also have interest in guard Justin Blalock, though it seems unlikely at this point that anything would happen before the draft. Jake Long and Wells remain available and likely will for a bit, but a reunion with Wells is more likely than Long at this point. Either way, the Rams must come out of the draft and the final stages of free agency with a starting-caliber guard and tackle at minimum, and another center would also be helpful even if the Rams are hopeful about the potential of the three on the roster.

    Possible fits: The good news for the Rams is that this draft has no shortage of offensive linemen who could come in and make a difference right away. The bad news is there might not be a player worthy of going 10th in the draft if the team wants to address the issue early. Iowa’s Brandon Scherff is considered the top lineman in the draft, but many seem to believe he’s best suited to play guard instead of tackle. It’s not crazy to take a guard at 10 anymore and the Rams have definite interest in Scherff even though it’s unclear if he paid a pre-draft visit to St. Louis. As for that list, there is no shortage of players who are known to have visited. Stanford tackle Andrus Peat, Florida tackle D.J. Humphries, Pittsburgh tackle T.J. Clemmings, Miami tackle Ereck Flowers, Louisville tackle Jamon Brown, and LSU tackle La’el Collins are some of the edge protectors known to have visited. The Rams have also brought in interior players such as Florida State center Cameron Erving, South Carolina guard A.J. Cann, Duke guard Laken Tomlinson, Hobart guard Ali Marpet, Florida State guard Tre Jackson and Arizona State guard Jamil Douglas. From that group, there are indications the Rams are high on Peat because he comes from an power-run style offense and is polished enough as a pass protector while maintaining some upside. Guys like Cann, Ervin, Tomlinson and Jackson fit a similar mold and could probably plug and play right away as well.

    Verdict: There is really no doubt the Rams are going to draft an offensive lineman, probably more than one. The only question is how early they will pull the trigger. Though the need is obvious, the value with the No. 10 pick might not intersect with that need. If it does, Scherff or Peat with Flowers as a dark horse seem like the most likely candidates. And for what it’s worth, though media mock drafts might have Peat and Flowers going much lower, there is a sense from scouts that teams value them in the range of the Rams’ top pick. If the Rams can find a trade partner and move down, that would likely bring names like Collins, Humphries and Erving into the mix. After that, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see the Rams use a second or third round pick on a player like Tomlinson, Cann, Marpet, Clemmings, Jackson or Brown. With six picks in the draft, the Rams don’t have a ton of firepower, but the guess here is that the Rams will use two picks in the first two days on offensive linemen.

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    Capabilities of ’15 O-line draft class align perfectly with what Rams need: versatility
    Howard Balzer
    FOX Sports Midwest

    APR 24, 2015 11:28a ET
    http://www.foxsports.com/midwest/story/capabilities-of-15-o-line-draft-class-align-perfectly-with-what-st-louis-rams-need-042415
    LSU’s La’El Collins and Iowa’s Brandon Scherff

    ST. LOUIS — Rams offensive line coach Paul Boudreau has often said he’d love to have all tackles starting on his five-man unit. That, of course, rarely happens, but Boudreau’s point is that the all-around ability and athleticism of tackles will often translate to other positions and provide a team with the best possible blockers.

    With this year’s draft less than one week away, Boudreau might be getting closer to his wishes. After all, as the group stands now, the only sure starters are left tackle Greg Robinson and left guard Rodger Saffold, who was drafted as a tackle and switched to guard last season. To say the Rams need to solidify their offensive line with three months remaining until the start of training camp is a massive understatement.

    Obviously, whoever starts at right tackle will make it three tackles on the line, but the biggest mystery of this offseason, now 45 days after the start of the league year on March 10, is the status of right tackle Joe Barksdale. Expecting to get a contract in the range of $7-8 million a year, Barksdale saw doors closed quickly on him and he remains unsigned.

    If he doesn’t sign in the next week, the Rams will be in the market for a tackle, guard and possibly a center during the draft. If he does, at this point it would likely be a one- or two-year contract at best, so the Rams would be well advised to draft a tackle anyway.

    While there has been a lot of chatter about the Rams selecting a quarterback or wide receiver in the first round with their 10th overall choice, it’s difficult to imagine them passing on an offensive lineman, and they could well add more blockers in two of the next three rounds.

    The good news for the Rams is that this is a deep group of offensive linemen who also have significant position versatility. It’s not hard to picture Boudreau licking his chops in the team’s war room.

    “Because this year’s class lacks an obvious Pro Bowl left tackle, it has been miscast as a below-average group,” says Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com. “In reality, clubs looking for help on the interior or right tackle can find players capable of competing for starting positions as rookies throughout the top 100.”

    That’s music to Boudreau’s ears, and he knows it — especially since the Rams already have their left tackle, which means the available crop perfectly matches their needs. They can mix and match and be covered no matter what Barksdale does. Even if the Rams entertain thoughts of signing Barksdale after the draft, they just might get a tackle and guard in two of the first four rounds, possibly setting them up for the next four or five years and allowing them to move on from a steady but unspectacular player.

    If they draft a tackle such as Iowa’s Brandon Scherff or LSU’s La’el Collins in the first round, and then still sign Barskdale, either of those prospects could immediately be placed at right guard. There’s that versatility at work.

    Scherff started the last three seasons at left tackle but is viewed as either a right tackle or guard in the NFL. “He has enough skills to survive on the edges in the NFL, likely at right tackle,” NFLDraftScout.com’s Dane Brugler, who rates Scherff as a guard, wrote in his draft guide, “but his best position at the next level is inside at guard, which fits his skill set and mindset. (He’s a) safe player who can’t be drafted too early in the first round.”

    Numerous mock drafts have him going to the New York Giants, one spot in front of the Rams at ninth overall. If that happens, the Rams couldn’t go wrong with Collins. “Any power-running team would love to have La’El Collins,” says Charles Davis of the NFL Network.

    Wrote Brugler: “He is a wrecking ball in the run game. He has enough talent to survive on the edges, projecting as a starting swing tackle at the next level, but might be ideally suited inside at guard.”

    At center, a lot depends on how much Boudreau and Co. truly like Barrett Jones and Demetrius Rhaney, but there could be temptation to add Florida State’s Cam Erving or even Mizzou’s Mitch Morse.
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    Erving played, you guessed it, tackle for the first 37 starts of his offensive line career after switching from defensive tackle, and then moved to center for the final five games last season. That’s where most scouts project him in the NFL, but some believe he could also play guard.

    Morse started games for the Tigers at center and both tackle spots while also practicing and playing some at both guard spots. “He is patient, balanced and competitive with the high football intelligence desired,” Brugler wrote.

    That’s not unlike former Mizzou lineman Justin Britt, who some said Seattle reached for in the second round last year. But Seahawks line coach Tom Cable knew what he was doing and Britt started every game as a rookie except for the NFC Championship Game because of a knee injury.

    Other names to watch for the Rams include tackles Andrus Peat (Stanford) and Ereck Flowers (Miami of Florida) and guards Ali Marpet (Hobart), A.J. Cann (South Carolina), Tre Jackson (Florida State), Laken Tomlinson (Duke) and Jamon Brown (Louisville).

    Becoming fast starters is the way of the world in the NFL. Last season, 26 linemen (10 tackles, 11 guards and five centers) were drafted in the first four rounds and 22 in the top 100. Five tackles started a total of 65 games, seven guards started 87 games and the five centers started 55 games.

    Two guards, two tackles and one center started all 16 games, while another two guards, one tackle and one center started either 14 or 15 games. The Rams’ Robinson started 12.

    Odds are, once all seven rounds are in the books, a few of the linemen discussed above will be Rams and could be expected to start Sept. 13 against the Seahawks.

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    “Because this year’s class lacks an obvious Pro Bowl left tackle, it has been miscast as a below-average group,” says Rob Rang of NFLDraftScout.com. “In reality, clubs looking for help on the interior or right tackle can find players capable of competing for starting positions as rookies throughout the top 100.”

    Hey. And the Rams are interested in obtaining OL. That works out nice for them.

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    CFF Overview: OT – Top of the Crop
    Michael Renner | April 23, 2015
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/23/cff-overview-ot-top-of-the-crop/
    CFF-overview-OTWith all the talent at the tackle position this year it was quite the contest to make our top four. For one to make this list they had to show a proficiency in both run and pass blocking with flaws that we deemed either correctable or mild.

    Tackle is the most highly coveted position on the offensive line and we’ll see that play out come draft day. All of the following players, and even some others we didn’t put at the top of the class, have the potential to be first round selections.
    La’el Collins, LSU

    Our own Khaled Elsayed gave a full breakdown of Collins’ skillset earlier this week, but what specifically makes him the top of the crop? With offensive line it’s not necessarily about the most pros, but the fewest cons and there just aren’t many knocks against the LSU left tackle. The biggest issue was how he dealt with speed to power as he can sometimes be low and late with his hands in pass protection, but even that showed up infrequently. Strong hands, smooth hips, and quick feet, there’s not much to dislike about La’el Collins game.

    Signature Stat: Led the SEC in run blocking grade and Pass Blocking Efficiency (98.6).
    Cedric Ogbuehi, Texas A&M

    CFF-inset-ogbuehiIf you were putting together the ideal frame and movement skills for a left tackle in the NFL it might look a lot like Cedric Ogbuehi. 6-foot-5, 306 pounds with freaky 35 7/8” arms, Ogbuehi was as quick to mirror pass rushers with his feet as any tackle in this class. It looks so effortless for him in pass protection that it’s almost as if he’s not even trying.

    When he got himself into trouble it was because he tried to time his punch too perfectly to swat a defenders hands away. What inevitably happened was Ogbuehi mistimed it and let the defender into his body. While Ogbuehi has almost the ideal frame for a tackle, his strength is definitely lacking and he doesn’t do as well as someone like Andrus Peat when the defender gets into his chest.

    Ogbuehi wasn’t asked to do a whole lot of run blocking in the Aggies’ scheme (63% pass-37% run), but when he did, the results were impressive. His long arms came in handy here as well, gaining ground on the edge and not allowing defenders back over the top. It’s a shame that Ogbuehi’s health is uncertain after an ACL injury in Texas A&M’s bowl game, but based solely off his tape, Ogbuehi belongs in this group.

    Signature Stat: Was downgraded on just 5.6% of run plays last season, the fifth-lowest rate among Power 5 tackles.
    Andrus Peat, Stanford

    Peat is another player that we’ve already profiled. At 6-foot-7 with 34 3/8” arms, he has the frame of a Top-10 tackle, but he doesn’t have the natural feet or change of direction ability of one. The problem is that you can’t teach change of direction so it’s likely an issue Peat will have to deal with over the course of his career. There’s still so much to like, though, as he’s only 21 and already has prodigious lower body strength. Peat was born to play in Stanford’s offense and caved in the left side of the line with down blocks routinely. That strength held up in pass protection as well as he allowed one pressure from a bull rush all season.

    Signature Stat: Yielded six pressures in Pac-12 play against a slate of Leonard Williams, Hau’oli Kikaha, Nate Orchard, and DeForest Buckner.
    Ereck Flowers, Miami

    CFF-inset-e-flowersFlowers is the most curious prospect in the class with possibly the highest ceiling of any tackle in the draft. The Miami left tackle is an ox that can flatten a downblock on one play and then beautifully kickslide out and stone a speed rush on the next. He was extremely productive in both run and pass blocking, but Flowers is about as raw as they come — while some guys have problems in one area or another, he had head-scratching issues sprinkled throughout his entire game.

    The biggest concern is that Flowers’ form will completely break down for no apparent reason and it’s like you’re watching a different player altogether. There is no better example of this than his pass blocking effort with 6:55 remaining in the first quarter against Nebraska.

    On that play he’s bent so much at the waist upon first contact with Randy Gregory that his upper body is almost parallel to the ground. Flowers then ducks his head and tries to wrap his arms around the Nebraska end. This allows the 235-pound Gregory to gain leverage on Flowers and walk the 329-pound tackle all the way back to the quarterback for a hit.

    He got away with that kind of sloppy play far too often in college because of his tremendous strength (37 reps at combine) and length (34 ½” arms), but that won’t be the case if he continues it in the NFL.

    Signature Stat: Had one negatively-graded game all season and didn’t allow a sack.

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    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/21/cff-player-profile-lael-collins-ot/

    CFF Player Profile: La’el Collins, OT
    Khaled Elsayed | April 21, 2015

    The quiet man.

    During the season it didn’t feel like our analysts were talking much about La’el Collins. In a lot of respects that must have been the dream scenario for LSU because Collins was so rarely beat in critical junctions (the passing game) that you had to double check he was on the field.

    Yet he was and for 334 snaps he was asked to pass protect and would give up just four hurries the entire year (with an additional one in the Senior Bowl). Quite the return, and while his pass blocking snaps were lower than his rivals to be the top lineman taken (LSU had about 1.6 times as many running plays as passing plays) he certainly put himself in the frame to go early.

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    Run Game

    When you first watch Collins in the run game you get a bit annoyed by him. Upfield penetrators playing one gap can leaving him flapping his arms about as he heads knees first for the turf, with a tendency to lean exploited. At the second level he doesn’t always look interested or showcase great targeting skills. While Andrus Peat has no problem identifying targets and lots of problems engaging them, Collins is the exact opposite. He struggles to find a guy (blocking nobody far too often) but when he does it’s a joy to behold.

    And that’s when you start realizing the good he does in the run game. He demonstrates good leg drive while working down the line and doesn’t settle for just setting the edge, but rather widening the B-gap on his inside shoulder. He also demonstrates the kind of first-step quickness that he can get across a defensive lineman’s face and seal once he gets there. When he gets the advantage off the snap he is bound to win and it’s no surprise that 16.2% of his run blocks ended with a positive grade (fifth-highest of all draft-eligible tackles). That’s largely down to how good his hands can be in the run game, with an ability to latch on to defenders and eliminate them from the play.

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    Pass Pro

    CFF-profiles-inset-laelcollinsThe numbers with Collins really do tell a story of a tremendously reliable pass protector. For much of the year it was a snooze watching him with him pitching shut outs in 11 games. That’s an eye-catching number that saw him shoot to the top of our Pass Blocking Efficiency rankings.

    There are some things to remember. He wasn’t put in as many deep drops as other tackles (he pass blocked on 73 seven-step drops compared to Andrus Peat and Brandon Scherff both going over 125) and he did avoid some of the more explosive rushers as well. It leaves him a little untested against true speed, but Collins did display good feet, getting good depth and width on his kick step that allowed him to mirror rushes and counter any inside moves.

    If there’s one area he did struggle with (and one that Trey Flowers exploited) it was with his blocking of a speed to power move, where he showed he might need to improve his strength if he’s going to anchor against the behemoths of the NFL. But all things considered he was the most impressive pass blocker of the class and the numbers show that up.

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    Collins looks the safest pick of any offensive tackle in this draft and by a decent margin. He can get better against the run — and might need to add some strength to deal with the power of NFL pass rushers — but he looks like a pretty polished prospect who should slide in from Day 1 and represent an upgrade on an average tackle with the capacity to be so much more. Recent years haven’t seen many tackles take the league by storm, but Collins is the best bet in the 2015 draft class to do so.

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    CFF Overview: OT – Buyer Beware
    Michael Renner | April 24, 2015
    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/04/24/cff-overview-ot-buyer-beware/
    CFF-overview-OT-bewareThere is no perfect player coming out in the draft. Everyone has weaknesses that need to be addressed in the NFL. With data from every single play from every single college game we have the unique ability say how often those shortcomings actually affected a player’s performance. The following players’ issues caused them to grade well outside the elite tackles in one area or another and that is why we are wary of projecting them so highly to the next level.
    Brandon Scherff, Iowa

    After grading all of Scherff’s plays in 2014 and then reviewing those positives and negatives, we just couldn’t see Scherff as a tackle in the NFL. His problems on the edge in pass protection don’t look fixable and he’ll likely never be better than average in that respect. That’s not to say he can’t be a successful player at guard, he has more tools than any other interior offensive linemen in the draft, we just haven’t seen him play there yet. Investing a high pick in a non-premium position for a guy who hasn’t played there in years seems like far too risky a proposition.

    Signature Stat: Allowed seven pressures in the Maryland game alone and 24 on the season.
    T.J. Clemmings, Pittsburgh

    CFF-profiles-inset-clemmingsAll you need to do is watch the Senior Bowl to understand why Clemmings makes this list. In Mobile he gave up five pressures in 28 pass blocking snaps playing left and right tackle. Even with his 35 1/8” arms he almost never got first contact and looked like he’d never had to deliver a punch in pass protection before. Basically, his pass set is broken and he’ll need an overhaul in that area by whatever team drafts him.

    The intriguing thing about Clemmings is that for how poor his pass blocking form was, his work in the run game was the exact opposite. Explosive and fluid in space, Clemmings showed the ability to execute any run block asked of him in Pittsburgh’s varied attack. I could see Clemmings being a guy who starts off as a guard to protect him in pass pro and makes his way out to tackle after he gets more technically sound.

    Signature Stat: Was beaten in pass pro four separate times against Virginia. Not by Max Valles or Eli Harold, but by Mike Moore.
    Jake Fisher, Oregon

    CFF-profiles-inset-fisherTackle is one position where ‘winning’ the combine is nearly meaningless. Losing the combine can be a red flag, but all running a fast 40 and having solid drill numbers says is that you’re likely athletic enough for a zone scheme. Fisher’s great numbers in Indy weren’t a fluke.

    He is quick on the go and has a natural feel for working off double teams to the second level, but the Oregon tackle often plays too high when moving and wasn’t even as good as the two tackles above at engaging linebackers consistently. Strength in the run game is a serious issue for Fisher as he was not a people mover by any means. He drives through with his chest instead of locking out his arms and can get shed far too easily.

    Like Clemmings and Scherff, Fisher also has technical issues in pass protection. He keeps his hands low and his punch too wide causing a myriad of problems for him. Despite his athleticism he opens the gate far too easily and allows defenders to bend the edge on him. 60% of Fisher’s pressures yielded came to his outside. This is extremely concerning considering Fisher pass blocked for just nine seven-step drops (or five-step from shot gun) all season long. Fisher is definitely another guy who could benefit from kicking inside to guard early on in his career.

    Signature Stat: Fisher was only graded positively on 10.8% of his run blocks; that figure coming in 107th out of 241 tackles in the NCAA last year.

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    Iowa’s Brandon Scherff leads big crop

    April 24, 2015

    By Bob McGinn

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/iowas-brandon-scherff-leads-big-crop-b99486134z1-301296701.html

    Green Bay — Offensive line is regarded as one of the richest positions in this NFL draft. Seven blockers appear headed for the first round, and possibly four more will go by the 50th pick.

    Strangely, there might not be an offensive lineman worthy of a top-10 pick even though 18 of them were taken that high in the last nine drafts.

    Brandon Scherff, clearly the best player available, has fewer negatives than just about any player in the entire draft. He’s about as safe as can be.

    The problem for many teams with early picks is they view Scherff as a better NFL guard than tackle, where he started on the left side at Iowa. His modest arm length (33 3/8 inches) and height (6 feet 4½) are more typical of inside than outside players at the pro level.

    Few teams want to draft an inside player in the top 10. The only pure guards taken that high in the last 20 years — Chris Naeole (No. 10, 1997), Chance Warmack (No. 10, ’13) and Jonathan Cooper (No. 7, ’13) — probably were mistakes.

    “Scherff isn’t dominant,” said an executive in personnel for an NFC team. “He’s not your typical top guy and he doesn’t have the length you want at tackle. How high do you pick a guy you’re projecting to guard?”

    Another personnel man insisted that Scherff had enough game to be considered comparable to the first offensive lineman taken in other drafts.

    “I was at Iowa pro day,” the scout said, “and he’s as athletic as anybody last year and as good as anybody last year. After Scherff, none of them belong with the top group from last year.”

    A Journal Sentinel poll of 19 personnel people this month underscored Scherff’s pre-eminent position. After the scouts listed their top five offensive linemen regardless of position, five points were assigned for a first-place vote, four for second and so on.

    Scherff piled up 86 points and 13 first-place votes, easily outdistancing Andrus Peat (53, three). Others with first-round credentials include La’el Collins (30, one), Cedric Ogbuehi (28, one), Cameron Erving (25), Ereck Flowers (25) and D.J. Humphries (25, one).

    Also receiving votes were Donovan Smith (six), T.J. Clemmings (four), Laken Tomlinson (two) and Jake Fisher (one).

    One might think the fact Scherff played for the Hawkeyes would be considered an immense plus by NFL teams.

    During Kirk Ferentz’ stint as offensive line coach from 1981-’89, NFL teams plucked 11 of his blockers, including three in the first round (Green Bay’s Ron Hallstrom, 1982) and three in the third (Green Bay’s Dave Croston, ’87).

    After spending six seasons as an offensive line coach in the NFL, Ferentz returned to Iowa City as head coach in 1999. In the drafts of 2000-’14, Iowa has had 13 offensive linemen selected.

    Ferentz has had able offensive line coaches such as Joe Philbin (1999-’02), but year after year he spends a large amount of time working individually with offensive linemen.

    “Kirk just does a great job,” one veteran scout said. “They’re always good technicians. They know how to kick-step, how to set, how to get their hands on people.”

    Because of the excellent training and tradition, however, several scouts said offensive linemen from Iowa scared them.

    “Iowa has a track record most of the time of getting two- and three-star players and developing them over the course of their careers,” said Phil Savage, executive director of the Senior Bowl and an NFL general manager and personnel director for 15 years.

    “They’re well-coached, they train hard, they are consistent in their work ethic and approach. Because of that development, are they close to being maxed out?”

    Since 2003, Iowa has had six offensive linemen taken in the top 100. The list includes guard Eric Steinbach (No. 33, 2003), center Bruce Nelson (No. 50, ’03), tackle-guard Robert Gallery (No. 2, ’04), tackle-guard Marshal Yanda (No. 87, ’07), tackle Bryan Bulaga (No. 23, ’10) and tackle Riley Reiff (No. 23, ’12).

    In light of those players, Savage was asked how he’d feel about selecting Scherff.

    “It would give me pause if I was taking him in the top 10,” replied Savage. “If I was taking him where some of those other guys went, in the second half of the first round or the top of the second, you’d feel great about it, probably.

    “I don’t think Scherff is an elite player. I think he’s a good, solid prospect.”

    Another veteran scout considered Iowa’s recent draft entries and said, “There’s been a lot of failures out of there. Kirk’s a good O-line coach so those guys end up getting coached as well as they’re ever going to be.

    “Then you get them to your camp and you think they’re going to get better, but that’s just the way they are.”

    In truth, those six high picks from Iowa have gotten a bum rap. It’s due largely to Gallery, who after flopping at tackle became a competitive guard in an eight-year career.

    Nelson was a bust, but the others all started for years. Steinbach became a top-five guard in Cincinnati but never made the Pro Bowl, something Yanda has done the last three seasons for Baltimore.

    Reiff has started at left tackle two of his three seasons in Detroit and is at least adequate. Bulaga has been a good player in Green Bay when he hasn’t been sidelined by injury.

    Scherff, from Denison, Iowa, joins Nelson, Gallery and Yanda as products of Iowa high schools. Reiff is from South Dakota, Bulaga from suburban Chicago.

    Three scouts said Scherff would be a better player than Bulaga. Although an inch shorter than Bulaga, Scherff ran a faster 40 (5.04 to 5.23), performed better vertical (32½ inches to 27½) and broad jumps (8-11 to 8-2), and had far larger hands (11 inches to 9¼).

    Probably the most apt comparison would be Zack Martin, the Dallas Cowboys’ right guard who made the Pro Bowl as a rookie after being drafted No. 16 last year.

    Martin (6-4, 309) was a four-year starter at left tackle for Notre Dame. He took his 32 7/8-inch arms inside and had a tremendous year.

    “Scherff’s similar to Zack Martin except he’s stronger,” one NFC executive said. “He’s a hell of an athlete. This guy is a 325-pound moose.”

    UNSUNG HERO

    Jon Feliciano, G, Miami: Last year, a Hurricanes lineman with athletic limitations, Brandon Linder, went to Jacksonville in the third round and started 15 games at RG. Feliciano (6-4, 325), another tough guy, is almost a carbon copy of Linder. He has guard-center versatility and a go-for-the-throat mentality that should make him a mid-round pick.

    SCOUTS’ NIGHTMARE

    Greg Mancz, C-G, Toledo: Four-year starter at RT, RG and center with legitimate athletic ability, good toughness and high intelligence. However, he underwent another shoulder surgery after the season and won’t be able to work out before the draft. If Mancz can stay on the field, he could be a swingman for a long time.

    QUOTE TO NOTE

    NFL personnel director: “That (low score on the Wonderlic) isn’t a big deal for tackles. It’s more of a big deal for guards.”

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    Building blocks
    by Ross Tucker
    Posted: Fri Apr. 4, 2008

    Browns fans ridiculed my thought process. Wall Street financial analysts suggested I incorporate the Monte Carlo method. Multiple NFL scouts want to discuss the quantitative analysis of NFL players with me.

    Last week’s article struck quite a chord with many readers. My thesis was simply that I do not believe the exorbitant amount given to a left guard like Alan Faneca is worth it in regards to the impact his performance will have on the win/loss column.

    If a team is going to pay a huge premium for the increase in performance that a good player delivers over an average one, that player should play a position that has a greater opportunity to significantly impact the outcome of a game. In order to clarify my beliefs regarding the salary structure among offensive linemen, I decided to list in order the positions among the front five that I feel are most worthy of receiving big money. Having played all five positions at different points in my career, and starting at least four games at all three interior spots, I am uniquely qualified to assess the difficulties associated with playing these positions. Just to be safe and unbiased, however, I solicited the opinions of several other linemen around the league.

    Picking the left tackle at the top of this list was not as easy as one might think. Most teams in the NFL often slide their protection to the quarterback’s blind side, which is almost always the left. The center is able to provide inside help for the left guard and the left guard is able to protect the left tackle’s inside as the three work in concert to block the two defensive linemen while eyeing their other responsibility, the weak-side linebacker. That often leaves the right guard and right tackle one-on-one. For this reason, I briefly considered putting the right tackle at the top of this list.

    Ultimately, however, the left tackle still has to block the elite pass rushers around the NFL play after play, week in and week out. If the left tackle makes a mistake, it can result in not only a sack but also quite often a fumble as the defensive end strips the quarterback from behind. Turnovers always play a big part in determining the outcome of a game, increasing the importance of the blind-side protector.

    Certain offensive lineman, like Chris Samuels of the Redskins, can provide enormous additional value by rarely receiving any help from his interior linemates. This allows them to solidify the interior of the offensive line. The Redskins’ confidence in leaving Samuels on an island without typically receiving any help whatsoever is a luxury many teams cannot afford.

    The consensus among the linemen with whom I spoke reinforced my belief in the importance of right tackles. The position, in most offenses, receives less aid from fellow linemen than the left tackle. This is somewhat balanced, however, by the reality that right tackles are more likely to have the tight end on their side of the formation, which can create an additional obstacle for a defensive lineman to consider.

    Though right tackles go up against top-flight rushers like the Seahawks’ Patrick Kerney and the Packers’ Aaron Kampman, there is not the same consistency in terms of quality of opponent as there is for the left tackle. Right tackles also are more likely to receive help from a running back in the form of a “chip.” Finally, the likelihood that their mistake will cause a game-altering turnover is somewhat lessened since the rusher is usually in the quarterback’s line of sight.

    Without question the most difficult of the interior line positions, right guards are most likely to be left one-on-one with an elite inside rusher. The predominance of teams to slide their center to the left to protect the quarterback’s blind side creates a greater value for the right guard position. Fourteen-year veteran Todd Steussie, currently available on the free agent market, says, “Right guard is definitely harder than left guard.” Recently-retired lineman Todd Fordham, a 10-year NFL vet, agreed: “The left guard always has help.”

    Though the difference in value between the two guard spots is lessened somewhat in an offense that rarely slides the pass protections like the Colts, the strength of the formation often dictates that the right guard has the wider alignment, and thus more difficult assignment, on his side.

    Because the left guard position is generally less difficult than the right guard position, I have been consistently perplexed the last couple of seasons by the amount of money teams are investing in the position.

    Steve Hutchinson, Kris Dielman, Eric Steinbach, Derrick Dockery and Faneca lead the parade of left guards that have received contracts in excess of $40 million. Though I am not sure either guard position is worth that much of the salary cap, I would be much more willing to pay those dollars to a right guard given the greater difficulty in his assignment. I think the Browns got a relative steal by signing right guard Rex Hadnot to a two-year, $7 million deal this offseason.

    The greatest reason why left guards are cashing in these days? There are two: 1) The grading system for offensive linemen; and 2) General lack of understanding among some NFL personnel people concerning the difficulty inherent with the different positions.

    All of these players are considered upper echelon and likely grade out among the highest linemen on their respective teams. Part of that is because they are good players, but a lot of it has to do with the fact they are much more likely to receive help from the center and thus less likely to create a negative play. The formula is simple: Less one-on-ones against defensive linemen means less chances to give up a sack or pressure. Their consistently high performance given the lower risk at the position tricks many personnel people to assume they are worthy of that money. I disagree. I believe they are all outstanding players but think they would have a tougher time if they played right guard.

    There is a reason why most of the interior guys getting paid the big money are left guards and not right guards and the sooner teams can figure it out, the sooner they can begin to allocate more of their money to a position that creates a greater value proposition.

    Centers are paid more for their intelligence and experience than they are for the difficulty associated with their physical assignment. Though some athletic centers can create additional value with their ability to pull or effectively block at the second level, the greatest reason centers get paid well is the fear among coaches that their pivot man not be able to readjust the blocking scheme depending on a certain blitz look or audible. Make no mistake about it: A center that cannot make the right decisions at critical junctures could have a huge impact on the outcome of a game.

    That being said, it was unanimous among the four offensive lineman that I polled that center was the easiest position, at least physically, along the line. The center is rarely in a one-on-one pass blocking situation, which as we have noted, is the most likely situation in which an offensive linemen could have a large impact on the outcome of a game.

    Centers are often the ones providing the help in pass protection so it is surprising to me that teams like the Buccaneers value the position highly enough to reward a player like Jeff Faine with a contract that guarantees him $15 million. Most centers go through an entire season without giving up any sacks and are rarely credited with even being responsible for a pressure.

    Though every team wants to have a highly-regarded player at every position, the economics of the game do not allow that to be the case. That is why the money invested in the offensive line should be given first to the tackles and then to the right guard, since those are the positions that could potentially make the greatest difference between a win and a loss.

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    NFL Draft
    Added Flexibility: Versatile Offensive Line Prospects Offer Better Draft Value
    By Brent Sobleski , NFL Draft Analyst Apr 20, 2015

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2436435-added-flexibility-versatile-offensive-line-prospects-offer-better-draft-value

    The more a prospect can do at the NFL level, the more valuable he becomes. This is particularly true along the offensive line.

    In the NFL, teams are mandated to maintain a 53-man roster. On game days, the number is reduced to 45. Teams generally keep eight offensive linemen on their final roster and only seven active on game days.

    Teams are sometimes placed in drastic circumstances due to unforeseen injuries. A lineman with the ability to play multiple positions as a starter or backup is absolutely vital to a team’s ability to withstand injuries.

    At one point last season, the Atlanta Falcons were forced to play starting tight end Levine Toilolo at right tackle for half a game due to multiple offensive line injuries. While this is an extreme case of what can happen on game day, the overall value of a lineman increases by being able to shift seamlessly to other positions along the offensive front.

    The 2015 offensive line class is truly unique. The top two prospects, Iowa’s Brandon Scherff and LSU’s La’el Collins, are generally considered guard prospects even though they played left tackle for the bulk of their careers.

    Scherff in particular is strongly viewed as a guard prospect, according to NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah (via NJ.com’s Jordan Raanan):


    The reason Scherff projects well to guard is his build at 6’5″ and 319 pounds with less-than-ideal 33.375″ arms. The reigning Outland Trophy winner also displays an explosive lower body to uproot bigger defensive linemen, as evidenced by a 443-pound hang clean, and absolutely nasty disposition as a run-blocker.

    Projecting Scherff to guard, where he played 11 games as a redshirt freshman, doesn’t completely rule out the possibility of his eventually playing offensive tackle, though.

    His lateral movement and ability to change directions are actually better than that of two former Iowa products, the Green Bay Packers’ Bryan Bulaga and the Detroit Lions’ Riley Reiff, who developed into legitimate starters at offensive tackle in the NFL.

    Pro Football Focus graded Reiff as an above-average blind-side protector in 2014, and Bulaga signed a five-year, $33.75 million contract in free agency to remain the Packers’ starting right tackle.

    Scherff’s tape during his senior season didn’t always reflect his overall agility, because the offensive tackle suffered an MCL injury during the season that required surgery. The Iowa native returned to practice later in the week and never missed a game.

    Also, Scherff’s arms are actually longer than both Bulaga’s and Reiff’s.

    A team selecting the latest product from Iowa’s assembly line of offensive line talent may decide to let him play left tackle until he proves he can’t. Or they could groom him at guard to eventually take over at left tackle. Both options are open, since Bulaga displayed enough physical ability to possibly start at four of the five offensive line positions.

    And he isn’t the only first-round prospect with similar potential.

    La’el Collins

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    The LSU product’s plight is very similar to Scherff’s.

    After becoming a starter at guard, Collins spent his last two seasons on campus at left tackle. Yet he’s often projected as a guard prospect despite a first-round grade.

    Teams have asked Collins numerous questions about where he will actually play.

    “They’ve asked me if I could slide to the right side, and then in two years go to the left,” Collins said at the NFL combine, via Sports Illustrated’s Doug Farrar. “I feel very confident in what I do, so it wouldn’t be a problem. They’ve asked me about playing guard and I could play either spot, right or left side. I love the one-on-one matchups. Being out there, one-on-one with a guy and having my way with him.”

    The transition from offensive tackle to guard is all about speed and quickness.

    Does an offensive tackle display nimble enough footwork to handle some of the world’s greatest athletes, who will be using their speed and natural athleticism to get after the quarterback?

    Or is that prospect better suited to play inside, where he has less room to operate, but the defenders gets into the block much quicker, and they’re stronger at the point of attack?

    Collins didn’t adequately address either question during the evaluation process.

    At the Reese’s Senior Bowl and NFL combine, the Baton Rouge, Louisiana, native showed up at 305 pounds. Collins, who was listed at 321 pounds on LSU’s official site, impressed at both events with his movement skills. It was enough to warrant consideration as a legitimate left tackle prospect.

    Collins then showed up at LSU’s pro day and weighed 320 pounds a month after his combine workout, according to the team’s official release.

    His weight fluctuation automatically brings the earlier performances into question and raises doubt as to whether or not Collins can legitimately play left tackle at the next level.

    There is, however, no question about Collins’ dominance as a run-blocker, courtesy of OL Watchdog:

    As a tackle or a guard, Collins should be able to step in immediately and contribute as a physical presence along the offensive front. He might be better suited for man-gap schemes instead of zone-heavy systems, but the LSU product has previously shown an ability to do both, whether he maintains a certain weight or not.

    Being able to play four out of the five offensive line positions is only one type of versatile lineman. There are also those prospects capable of playing all three interior positions as a swing player at guard or center.

    A.J. Cann

    Jeff Blake-USA TODAY Sports

    After 51 starts—the second-most for an offensive lineman in South Carolina history—at left guard, Cann already projects well to a certain position.

    “I see him as a left guard-only prospect who overcomes lack of height with athleticism,” an anonymous SEC coach told NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein.

    However, the Bamberg, South Carolina, native didn’t let his four years of tape simply speak for him. Cann tried to prove he could do more for NFL teams to consider.

    At the South Carolina pro day, the guard provided NFL scouts with something a little extra, according to DraftInsider.net’s Tony Pauline:

    Cann hinted at the possibility a month earlier at the NFL combine.

    “I can play either LG or RG, maybe even center,” the South Carolina product said, via CBSS ports’ Dane Brugler. “I don’t think that would be a problem.”

    The second-team Walter Camp All-American already established himself as one of the top guard prospects through four years of play. Yet teams interested in Cann have now seen him in some center drills.

    Even as a projected second-round pick at guard, center holds more overall value. The ability to play all three interior spots along with his stellar player at South Carolina makes Cann one of the best offensive line prospects in this year’s class.

    While it’s impressive to be able to play three or four offensive line positions, very few can play all five.

    Cameron Erving

    Maybe the most impressive achievement of any college football player last season belongs to Erving.

    The Seminoles product was named to the 2014 All-ACC First Team at left tackle and the Second Team at center.

    Erving is only three years removed from playing defensive line after making the transition from defense to offensive line in the spring of 2012.

    For two-and-a-half years, Erving served as the Seminoles’ left tackle and played at a high level on the blind side. In 2013, the native of Moultrie, Georgia, was awarded the Jacobs Blocking Trophy as the best offensive lineman in the ACC. He won the award in 2014 as well.

    But Erving’s 2014 campaign took a slight detour on his way to the NFL. The blind-side protector was pressed into action at center due to injuries along the offensive line.

    It was from this point that Erving’s draft status absolutely soared. The former offensive tackle seamlessly transitioned inside and dominated over the second half of the season. The move seemed absolutely natural for him.

    As tackle, Erving was viewed as as second-tier prospect. But his move inside should make him a first-round selection and the highest center prospect off the board.

    Teams, though, aren’t overly particular regarding the position he eventually plays.

    “The teams I’ve talked to have just talked about me playing offensive line,” Erving told Bleacher Report in a phone interview. “They want to see how well you comprehend offenses and know defenses. They’ve seen the film. They eye in the sky doesn’t lie, and that’s always (something) I’ve been a big believer in. Whatever team picks me, I’ll just have to find how I fit into their system.”

    Based on Erving’s answer, some teams may still view him as an offensive tackle prospect, while others lean toward center. Also, the possibility of guard can’t be ruled out of the equation. At 6’5″ and 313 pounds with arms just over 34 inches in length, Erving owns the requisite physical tools and athleticism to play all five offensive line positions.

    ESPN’s Louis Riddick even believes Erving’s potential supersedes that of some of the previously discussed offensive line prospects:

    The Florida State product is not the only prospect in this year’s class with the ability to potentially play all five offensive line positions.

    Ali Marpet

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    The Division III product from Hobart College remains one of the media darlings in the upcoming draft.

    Everyone roots for the underdog, even though Marpet proved to be a bully during his collegiate career while playing against inferior competition.

    At the Reese’s Senior Bowl, Marpet didn’t falter against vastly superior competition. Instead, he thrived. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel’s Omar Kelly was blown away by Marpet in Mobile, Alabama:

    Marpet, who played left tackle in college, worked primarily at guard and even saw some time at center, according to FirstRoundGrade.com’s Bryan Perez.

    Even NFL.com projects Marpet as a center.

    “Marpet has also been impressive in meetings with line coaches,” NFL Network’s Albert Breer reported. “With his combination of intelligence and ability, he might be a center long-term.”

    Before the move is made official, though, Hobart might be able to hold up at tackle in certain situations.

    At 6’4″ and 307 pounds with 33.375″ arms, his measurements are less than ideal. But not all tackle prospects fit the mold. The Hobart product is certainly a top-notch athlete with top-five finishes at the combine in the 40-yard dash, three-cone drill and 20-yard shuttle.

    Marpet will likely be drafted sooner rather than later based on his raw athleticism and potential to play all five positions in a pinch.

    Versatility equals value

    What do each of the aforementioned prospects have in common?

    They’ll be selected by at least the end of the second day of the draft. Scherff, Collins and Erving will, in some order, likely be the first three offensive linemen off the board.

    Cann and Marpet are second-day options, but their ability to play multiple positions only enhances their natural value. Teams wouldn’t be quite as high on Cann as a pure guard prospect. If Marpet didn’t show well at the Senior Bowl or offer position flexibility, the Division III product wouldn’t even be considered in the first three rounds.

    The ability to competently play multiple positions on a limited NFL roster is simply too tempting for teams when comparing these prospects to position-specific options.

    Usually, the ability to play more than one position can even be what differentiates one prospect from another. Beyond those mentioned, Oregon’s Jake Fisher, Missouri’s Mitch Morse and Utah’s Jeremiah Poutasi also provide similar flexibility and value.

    Talented big men are hard to find. Big men athletic enough to do multiple things are highly sought-after commodities.

    In this year’s draft class, it’s not a coincidence that some of the best overall talents among the offensive linemen present the best value due to their position flexibility.

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    Frank Coyle OT and guard rankings

    no source or link given in the post this is copied from: http://www.ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?5,567474,567474#msg-567474

    OT (Class Grade B+)

    1) Scherff (Blue Chip, Best Pulling, Most Developed, Top 10 – Comp Michael Roos)

    “He has drawn comparisons to Pro Bowler Micahel Roos and former Hawkeye Reilly Reiff who started as rookies. Physical package to warrant a top 10 overall choice with the Giants, Rams and Falcons interested. Blue Chip prospect with a highly developed skill set to handle the OT as a rookie, and possibly become a Pro Bowl Tackle. Highly developed tackle and overall skills and intangibles to become a fixture on the outside for a decade.”

    2) Peat (Blue Chip, Best Pass, Top 10 – Comp Jake Long)

    He is very similar to takle Jake Long in size, AA and functional strength that translate very well to the field. Young complete tackle with Pro Bowl talent. Clubs like the Falcons, Rams and Giants interested in the first round.

    3) Flowers (Red Chip, Strongest, Top 20 – Comp Ryan Clady)

    He compares to Pro Bowler Ryan Clady in physical skills. All the components to become a high quality pro with further refinement of his natural athleticism. Top 20 prospect and first round pick. Probable rookie starter off his natural talent and high LOD, though initially at right tackle. Potential Pro Bowl tackle with dominant skills to move early to left tackle.

    4) Clemmings (Red Chip, Best Athlete, Top 20 – Comp Tyron Smith)

    Top 20 prospect with the natural talent , size and development to become a starting tackle, though his game is not complete currently. Type of prospect with left tackle skill set and one that will be over drafted over clear upside potential. Big time left tackle eventually.

    5) Humphries (Rising, Top 40 – Eugene Monroe)

    Guard (Class Grade B )

    1) La’el Collins (Blue Chip, Best Pass, Most Developed, Top 15-20 – Comp Barndon Albert)

    Probable rookie starter with Pro Bowl talent. Top 15-20 prospect with the versatility to excel at either guard or tackle.

    2) A.J. Cann (Red Chip, Best Run, Top 50 – Comp Jahri Evans)

    He is cut in the mold of tough, aggressive NFL guards like Jahri Evans and Larry Warford who have gone to have Pro Bowl careers. Over his career, he graded out very well vs top competition with the ability to adjust to game situations. Physical tough lineman with very good technique and fine strength with the skill set and intangibles to become a Pro Bowl guard. Talented highly developed prospect with definite top 50 value with strong consideration by Giants, Raiders, Falcons and Dolphins.

    3) Laken Tomlinson (Rising, Toughest, Top 60-75 – Comp Ben Grubbs)

    Talent to compete for a starting rookie job and a rising top 60-75 prospect who appears to be a solid 2nd day pick in this deep class. Probable NFL starter and good early round addition with the skill set to surprise and have a strong pro career.

    4) Tre’ Jackson (Top 75 – Comp Larry Warford)

    He projects to the 3rd round and is similar to Larry Warford in size, AA, and intangibles. Tough savvy blocker who is currently at a high level with early starting ability and a nice LOD in key areas. Top 75 prospect with the skill set and intangibles to have a long career inside. Durable guard with the development to rank among the better interior linemen within a short time.

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488130/article/scout-slams-overrated-stanford-ot-andrus-peat
    Scout slams ‘overrated’ Stanford OT Andrus Peat

    By Chase Goodbread
    College Football 24/7 writer
    Published: April 25, 2015 at 10:50 a.m.
    Updated: April 25, 2015 at 01:08 p.m.

    With a couple of the top offensive linemen available in next week’s NFL draft possibly ticketed for a switch from college tackle to pro guard, Stanford’s Andrus Peat might be the first pure tackle prospect chosen in the first round.

    And at least one NFL scout doesn’t understand why Peat’s stock is so high.

    Among a collection of comments from NFL scouts gathered about Peat by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, one was anything but flattering.

    “I saw him get thrown around like a rag doll,” the scout said. “I respect what people think about the guy, but every defensive player I saw against Stanford kicked the (expletive) out of the guy. If you’re asking me who was the most overrated guy I saw, it was that guy.”
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    Another scout acknowledged Peat as the No. 1 player at his position, but still offered a strong a critique of him.

    “He’s got damn good feet but … the last bowl game against Maryland he looked like (expletive),” he said. “He’s the No. 1 guy but he’s never been pushed. He doesn’t have any core strength. He doesn’t take hard coaching.”

    Several offensive tackles are expected to be chosen late in the first round, Peat among them. Pittsburgh’s T.J. Clemmings, Florida’s D.J. Humphries and Miami’s Ereck Flowers are others, although NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock said on a Thursday teleconference that there are questions about each.

    “After (Iowa’s Brandon Scherff), there are an awful lot of question marks. That doesn’t mean there’s not a lot of talent, because there is,” Mayock said. “But I could take, for instance, Ereck Flowers, D.J. Humphries, Andrus Peat, and T.J. Clemmings — all are gifted first-round tackles — but I could poke a hole in every one of those kids, either from a technique perspective, or an off-the-field perspective, or whatever.”

    While Peat failed to impress one scout that spoke to the Journal Sentinel, another was very positive in his review, comparing Peat to one of the top offensive tackles in the NFL.

    “So smooth. Really impressive physically. I compared him to (Dallas Cowboys OT) Tyron Smith. Great pass protector. Just not that powerful at this age,” the scout said.

    Projections on Peat’s draft standing vary wildly among NFL Media mock drafts, ranging from as high as No. 9 overall to the New York Giants to as low as No. 25 to the Carolina Panthers.

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    On all but a few players, I find opinions to vary widely, even among the experts, on the value of the players in this draft. It is going to be a wild ride Thursday. 😉

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    On all but a few players, I find opinions to vary widely, even among the experts, on the value of the players in this draft. It is going to be a wild ride Thursday.

    Yup. Exciting draft.

    How would you Mock
    the top four, Ag?

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    v
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    Tennessee
    Jacksonville
    Oakland

    Washington
    New York Jets
    Chicago
    Atlanta
    New York Giants
    St. Louis

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    Peter Schrager ‏@PSchrags

    Andrus Peat will be off the board by 15. Told by multiple teams he may be the most NFL-ready left tackle in this draft.

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    On taking Andrus Peat for Rams in NFL Nation mock draft

    By Nick Wagoner

    http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/17962/on-taking-andrus-peat-in-nfl-nation-mock-draft

    BRISTOL, Conn. — For those who don’t have access to television during the day, our 32 ESPN NFL Nation reporters are here at headquarters this week for meetings and to do the first-ever televised NFL Nation mock draft.

    We went through the picks on ESPN Monday afternoon, and with the 10th pick in the draft I chose Stanford offensive tackle Andrus Peat for the St. Louis Rams. First, to be clear, I made that selection based on what I think the Rams would do in the scenario that was in front of me, not based on what I would do if I was making the choice.

    Just to reset before explaining why I went with Peat, here are the nine players who went before the Rams came on the clock: Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Leonard Williams, Amari Cooper, Dante Fowler Jr., Kevin White, Brandon Scherff, Vic Beasley and Ereck Flowers.

    With the top two quarterbacks, top two receivers and Scherff off the board, it’s my belief the Rams would be looking at this situation as choosing between Peat, Missouri defensive end Shane Ray, Louisville receiver DeVante Parker and Georgia running back Todd Gurley.

    For what it’s worth, trades are not an option in this mock so I couldn’t move down, which is another avenue the Rams would surely consider in this scenario. But that begs the question that if the value isn’t that good for the Rams for any players here, then what player would be enough for a team to want to move up and give up valuable picks to do it? It’s always possible, sure, but the reality is that the 10th spot isn’t a great one to have this year.

    So here’s my line of thinking on going with Peat over the others I mentioned: In the given situation, it’s entirely possible that a guy like Ray or Parker or Gurley will be rated higher on the Rams’ board. As a general rule, you don’t stray from your board in search of need. But I don’t think the difference between Peat and Parker, for example, would be enough for the Rams to ignore the need. In other words, the need for help on the offensive line could bridge the gap between the value of the two players.

    Peat has some work to do, and I wonder if his lack of mean streak concerns the Rams. But he comes from a power-run-heavy offense at Stanford not much different than what the Rams run. Peat is a polished pass protector but still comes with the type of upside the Rams seem to lean toward on draft day.

    And there’s no denying the Rams like Peat. He came on a pre-draft visit and they’ve spent plenty of time scouting him. He’s one of many offensive linemen who have come through Rams Park, which makes it hard to know who they like the most. If Scherff fell the Rams would undoubtedly have interest, and Flowers would also likely be in the discussion if he makes it to No. 10.

    After having conversations with scouts around the league, there’s a strong belief that Peat is being undervalued in the media mock drafts versus how teams view him, so this range is just about right for him. It’s certainly not sexy, and drafting Peat isn’t the perfect marriage of value and need, but it’s close enough for the Rams to make the move if this scenario played out Thursday night.

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    Yup. Exciting draft.

    How would you Mock
    the top four, Ag?

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    Tampa Bay
    Tennessee
    Jacksonville
    Oakland

    Washington
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    Atlanta
    New York Giants
    St. Louis

    1 Tampa Bay QB *Jameis Winston
    2 Tennessee QB – BPA *Leonard Williams
    3 Jacksonville pass rush – BPA *Dante Fowler
    4 Oakland WR – BPA *Amari Cooper
    ————————————————————–
    5 Washington pass rush – QB *Marcus Mariota (trade – Cleveland or Eagles)
    6 NY Jets QB – LB Bud Dupree
    7 Chicago QB – ILB – WR Kevin White
    8 Atlanta PRush – BPA Vic Beasley
    9 New York Giants Def – OT – BPA Devante Parker
    10 St. Louis OT/G/C/WR La’el Collins/Brandon Scherff

    Agamemnon

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    Daniel Jeremiah ‏@MoveTheSticks

    1 nugget before bed…told STL loves Flowers & MIA loves Parker. Seems like an easy trade to make…STL can drop & still get their guy

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    Post Miami pro day: Ereck Flowers

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article17230265.html

    In an NFL draft full of intriguing prospects, there may be no one more enigmatic than Miami Hurricanes offensive tackle Ereck Flowers.

    After Wednesday’s pro day that kept him as a probable first-rounder in this month’s draft, Flowers continues to puzzle. He has the strength and athleticism to succeed at left tackle in the NFL, but his technique lags behind other first-round prospects.

    Flowers was one of the most impactful players for a Hurricanes squad full of future NFL players this year, but he let his actions do the talking and granted no media access last season.

    And despite the complexities of the pre-draft process, Flowers and his father decided against hiring an agent. But Flowers’ talent and toughness are undeniable, and with no long-term answer at offensive tackle on the Panthers’ roster, he could be the pick at No. 25 for Carolina.

    “He’s got great feet, really good balance,” Jason Taylor, a former All-Pro defensive end for the Miami Dolphins, said Wednesday at the Hurricanes’ pro day. “He played the right side and the left side, and he’s interesting. He has the disposition of a right tackle with a mean, nasty streak – kind of a road grader. But (he has) the athleticism and patience to play the left side. He has the consistent hand placement and punch to play on the left side.”

    The Panthers liked him enough to send offensive line coach John Matsko to the Miami area on March 20 to have dinner with Flowers and work him out. And one team source indicated “it’d be close” when asked if Flowers, 21, could fall to the Panthers at No. 25.

    But Flowers, like all NFL prospects, has question marks.

    Former NFL defensive tackle Stephen White praised him in a recent film breakdown for SBNation.com. But what concerns White the most about Flowers is his weight (329 pounds, though he looked slimmer at pro day), and Flowers consistently having a high stance at the snap.

    “Most of what I didn’t like about Flowers is readily correctable,” White wrote. “While Flowers is no doubt a big, strong man – who was about to play pretty good football in spite of poor pad level against other college players – he is about to enter a world where (almost) everybody is big and strong and powerful. There will be definitely be more than one opponent in five games who tests him under his chin on bull rushes no matter how big and strong he becomes because of his poor pad level.”

    What Flowers lacks in technique he makes up in brute strength. He led all combine participants with 37 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press in February.

    “I’ll never stop getting stronger,” Flowers said at the combine. “The day I stop getting stronger is the day I stop lifting weights so always look for improvement.”

    Flowers did not speak with the media after his pro day, where he showed good, choppy steps in his pass-blocking sets and a violent punch on the bags. While his 40-yard dash wasn’t impressive at 5.31 seconds, Taylor didn’t care about that.

    “As an offensive lineman, you aren’t running anywhere,” Taylor said. “It’s the phonebooth quicks, and I think he has that.”

    Flowers is one of several first-round prospects at tackle. Iowa’s Brandon Scherff, Stanford’s Andrus Peat, LSU’s La’el Collins, Texas A&M’s Cedric Ogbuehi and Florida’s D.J. Humphries could all be selected on the first night of the draft.

    Because of his technique issues, Flowers would likely begin his NFL career at right tackle as a team teaches him how to play left.

    And occasionally, Taylor said, Flowers gets beaten on an inside move. Is that how the four-time All Pro would get past Flowers now?

    “I’m not going to tell you how I’d beat him,” said Taylor, now 40 and an analyst for NBC Sports. “I can’t give that up. Those are state secrets. But I’m pretty confident that right now, today, he’d block the heck out of me.”

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