Olbermann from April

Zooey wrote:

I just saw this last night, and thought it was a recent development. It perked my ears up a bit. In searching for it, I see it was from April. Which dampens my enthusiasm somewhat. Is it possible that Mueller is sitting on this while he completes the investigation more deeply and widely? Or is this bunk?

Personally, I’m not getting why the Trump Jr meeting with the Russian spies didn’t already sink Trump Sr. We have the emails to prove collusion right there. For any other politician, that would have led to impeachment and removal. It’s only because Trump seems to have nine lives times a thousand that it didn’t sink him.

It doesn’t matter at all that there was supposedly no pot of gold there as advertised. We know Trump Jr, Kushner and Manafort took the meeting with the Russians because they believed they would receive dirt on HRC — and, the quid pro quo was the Magnitsky Act/sanctions. Anyone saying, “But there was no there there!” should consider how many people are in jail because they did something similar. Drugs, arms sales, sex slavery, etc. etc. . . . It doesn’t matter if it ends up being a dead end. If the police or the FBI catch a person attempting to engage in these things, and they don’t get off on a defense like entrapment? They go to jail.

I’m really puzzled why that revelation wasn’t the final straw . . . other than the fact we’ve had about a thousand of those moments since Trump came down the elevator and preached Birtherism.

Billy_T wrote:

Zooey wrote:

I just saw this last night, and thought it was a recent development. It perked my ears up a bit. In searching for it, I see it was from April. Which dampens my enthusiasm somewhat. Is it possible that Mueller is sitting on this while he completes the investigation more deeply and widely? Or is this bunk?

Personally, I’m not getting why the Trump Jr meeting with the Russian spies didn’t already sink Trump Sr. We have the emails to prove collusion right there. For any other politician, that would have led to impeachment and removal. It’s only because Trump seems to have nine lives times a thousand that it didn’t sink him.

It doesn’t matter at all that there was supposedly no pot of gold there as advertised. We know Trump Jr, Kushner and Manafort took the meeting with the Russians because they believed they would receive dirt on HRC — and, the quid pro quo was the Magnitsky Act/sanctions. Anyone saying, “But there was no there there!” should consider how many people are in jail because they did something similar. Drugs, arms sales, sex slavery, etc. etc. . . . It doesn’t matter if it ends up being a dead end. If the police or the FBI catch a person attempting to engage in these things, and they don’t get off on a defense like entrapment? They go to jail.

I’m really puzzled why that revelation wasn’t the final straw . . . other than the fact we’ve had about a thousand of those moments since Trump came down the elevator and preached Birtherism.

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BT, i havent looked at any of this Trump Jr. stuff so i dont really know shit about it. All i know is he met with some Rooskies and they discussed…what?…some anti-Hillary stuff? Is that it?

Why is that a big deal? Dum it down for me. Make it simple.

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wv wrote:

BT, i havent looked at any of this Trump Jr. stuff so i dont really know shit about it. All i know is he met with some Rooskies and they discussed…what?…some anti-Hillary stuff? Is that it?

Why is that a big deal? Dum it down for me. Make it simple.

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Here’s a good run down of the evolving explanations for why the meeting took place, and who was in it. The author tries to add a little levity by using an analogy from Ocean’s Eleven.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/14/a-brief-review-of-donald-trump-jr-s-explanations-of-his-meeting-with-a-russian-lawyer/?utm_term=.7127dcf311df

Donald Trump Jr lied first that the meeting never happened; then that the meeting was only about adoption; then that no one else was there; then that only three people were there, and so on. He lied at least three times in public, and Trump Sr. lied several times about who crafted those lies and when. The prez was responsible for at least one of them.

It ended up being roughly eight people in the meeting, including a Russian spy, and a Russian lawyer with direct connection to the Kremlin. Donald Jr, Kushner and Trump’s then campaign manager, Manafort, all attended the meeting, which was held at Trump Tower.

Under pressure because the NYT was about the publish the email chain that detailed this, Trump Jr. published it himself. It clearly shows that they took the meeting because they were being promised dirt on Clinton FROM the Russian government. That’s stated explicitly, as is the fact that Russia wanted to help Trump win.

Again, this is all in the emails which Trump Jr published. They can’t call it “fake news,” cuz he published them. As mentioned, the quid pro quo was an attempt to get America to drop sanctions on Russia pertaining to the Magnitsky Act. That was the Russian woman’s specialty.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/11/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-new-york-times/index.html

CNN)This paragraph, from The New York Times’ latest scoop on a meeting between Donald Trump Jr. and a Russian lawyer, is completely and totally damning:

“Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email.”

Remember that Don Jr. has changed his story since the Times reported a meeting with Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya on Saturday.

Version 1: The meeting was primarily about adoptions. Don Jr. didn’t mention anything about the election to the Times.

Version 2: The impetus for the meeting was the promise of negative information about Hillary Clinton. But Don Jr. said in a statement he didn’t know who it was he was meeting with.

CNN has not verified the Times report, and we’ll see if a Version 3 emerges. But Version 2 is wholly undermined by the latest Times reporting.

The idea that Don Jr. didn’t know the identity of the person he was meeting with preserved the possibility that he walked into the meeting totally blind. All he knew was that he was meeting with a friend of a friend — the meeting had been brokered by someone Don Jr. met in Russia during a Miss Universe pageant — who had information about Clinton.

But, according to the Times, Don Jr. received an email from the same person who set up the meeting making clear that the material was part of a Russian government effort to help his father’s candidacy.

So, even if he didn’t know the exact name or identity of the Russian lawyer he was to meet with, he knew — if he read his email — that whatever he was told in the meeting was part of a foreign government’s efforts to help choose its preferred candidate in the 2016 election.

Sit with that for a minute: The eldest son of the de facto Republican presidential nominee reportedly met with someone he knew was peddling information as part of a Russian government effort to elect his dad.

That’s stunning. There’s just no other word for it.
RELATED: White House: Trump didn’t know about his son’s meeting with Russian lawyer
Alan Futerfas, a lawyer for Trump Jr., said in a statement following the story that it was “much ado about nothing.”
And I’m sure there will be spin and explanations. The whole thing was a nothing-burger! Don Jr. quickly sniffed out the fact that the information Veselnitskaya was telling him was useless. So who cares?

Just in case you might care to read these, WV . . . Here are the emails themselves:

I think this is the first in the chain:

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

And Don Jr. response:

On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:53, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Best,

Don

Sent from my iPhone

zn wrote:

The question would be what specific laws are broken by what actions.

And of course, the Russia/Trump thing is about more than just hacking the dems. It fact it was about more than just the election. There was all sorts of connections covering all sorts of things.

But all gets down to, what laws if any were broken.

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Agreed. I think this is waaaay bigger than the hack of the DNC, and that’s not even that much of a concern for me. I am worried, however, that they probed election systems in a coupla dozen states, and “friendly” black hat guys showed how easy those are to hack. The Russians, or some other country, or some American corporation(s), may well go for it next time. And I’m definitely worried about Eric Prince and his family. Hell, the guy has a private army, and is trying to get Trump to privatize the war in Afghanistan for him.

Well, to clarify. Much of our war machine is already privatized. He wants this accelerated in his favor. He also has private intel companies . . . and more and more of that aspect of government is being farmed out for profits.

Piece by piece, America is selling off its public assets and losing accountability. More and more, our reality is looking like a J.J Abrams TV show. The Future is Now, etc.

(One of my favorite TV shows for bingeing right now is Person of Interest. If you guys add it to your Netflix queue, give it a bit of time. IMO, it really picks up steam in Season Two, and gets much better with the addition of Sarah Shahi.)