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July 4, 2021 at 12:50 am #130735znModerator
Nurses fired for not getting COVID-19 vaccine explain their rationale
https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-begins-arresting-individuals-attacked-150259506.html
More than 100 staff members at Houston Methodist Hospital who were fired for refusing to get vaccinated for COVID-19 appealed a judge’s ruling that sided with the hospital’s right to terminate their employment.
“We are going to most likely go all the way up to the Supreme Court,” Jennifer Bridges, a registered nurse and the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit filed by 117 former employees of the hospital, told Yahoo News.
Health care facilities across the country routinely require their employees to be vaccinated for a host of viruses, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention notes on its website, including the coronavirus.
“It is our responsibility to prevent ourselves from getting ill and from spreading the disease to others,” Dr. Leana Wen, a public health professor at George Washington University, told Yahoo News. “This should not be a choice that individual providers are able to make when this is actually about our job, our oath, the responsibility that we signed up for to care for our most vulnerable patients.”
Bridges is one of 153 workers who were fired or resigned from Houston Methodist last Monday after refusing to comply with the hospital’s vaccine mandate, the Texas Tribune reported. The hospital system — comprising nearly 25,000 employees — was one of the first employers in the country to require COVID-19 vaccinations for its workers, announcing its policy on April 1.
Yet despite rigorous trials involving tens of thousands of people and overwhelming research that proves the three emergency FDA-approved COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective in preventing the spread of the disease as well as death from it, some medical workers remain skeptical.
“I’m not anti-vax. I’ve had all my other vaccines, but this one was rushed and it didn’t have the proper research,” Bridges said, adding, “I would rather take my chances rather than get the shot.”
Since instituting its policy requiring workers to be vaccinated against COVID-19, Houston Methodist has been unwavering in its stance.
“Our decision to mandate the COVID vaccine for all of our employees was not made lightly and is based on the proven science that the vaccines are not only safe, but extremely effective,” Amy Rose, a spokesperson for Houston Methodist, told Becker’s Healthcare in May. “As healthcare workers, we’ve taken a sacred oath to do everything possible to keep our patients safe and healthy.”
Last month, a federal judge dismissed Bridges’s initial lawsuit against the hospital, in which she claimed the hospital had forced staffers to be “guinea pigs” for vaccines.
“This is not coercion,” U.S. District Judge Lynn Hughes wrote in his dissent on June 12. “Methodist is trying to do their business of saving lives without giving them the COVID-19 virus. It is a choice made to keep staff, patients, and their families safer.”
Houston Methodist CEO Marc Boom applauded the ruling in a statement. “We can now put this behind us and continue our focus on unparalleled safety, quality, service and innovation,” the statement read.
In an internal memo sent to employees on June 8 that was shared with Yahoo News, Boom thanked employees for helping the hospital get through a difficult time.
“Since I announced this mandate in April, Houston Methodist has been challenged by the media, some outspoken employees and even sued,” he wrote in the memo. “As the first hospital system to mandate COVID-19 vaccines, we were prepared for this. The criticism is sometimes the price we pay for leading medicine.”
More than 156 million Americans have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 as of July 2, according to the CDC data tracker. Only a tiny fraction of people who have been vaccinated experience “breakthrough cases.”
“There will be a small percentage of fully vaccinated people who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19,” the CDC site reads. “Like with other vaccines, vaccine breakthrough cases will occur, even though the vaccines are working as expected.”
As of Friday afternoon, more than 33 million Americans have tested positive for COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic and more than 602,000 have died from the disease. In Texas, more than 2.9 million people have tested positive for the virus and 52,000 have died from it.
Those statistics have not motivated some medical professionals to get vaccinated for COVID-19. Freenea Stewart is another former employee at Houston Methodist who was fired for defying the hospital’s vaccine policy.
“This isn’t about my job,” Stewart, a former charge nurse, told Yahoo News. “This is about you saying we have to get this vaccine. [In the hospital] you could cut the tension with a knife, between those who were vaccinated and those who weren’t.”
Stewart was terminated on June 21 even though she contracted COVID-19 earlier this year. She believes the antibodies she gained from the illness should have been enough to exempt her from vaccination, and she questions why the hospital didn’t allow her to keep her job.
“I want my body to use its immune system to work. That’s the best antibody to give,” she said, before echoing a frequent refrain from those skeptical of vaccines. “There is not enough information about the vaccine yet. … My body has no idea what is in that shot.”
Like many Republican lawmakers, Stewart believes that an individual’s right to decide whether to get vaccinated outweighs considerations of public health.
“Everyone needs to do what they think is best for them and their right to choose,” she said. “In the United States we have freedom of choice. That is what makes the United States so amazing.”
But for other medical professionals, freedom of choice has its limits, especially during a pandemic.
Yahoo News Medical Contributor Dr. Kavita Patel, a primary care physician in Washington, D.C., who also serves as a health policy fellow at the Brookings Institution, says she is not surprised by the reluctance of some health care workers to get vaccinated.
“Health professionals are humans too. This is a reflection of what people in America think — that the trials were not enough and they don’t want to be experiments,” Patel said. “Having said that, I think health professionals have an incredible responsibility to their patients, and ignoring the large body of clinical trial data, as well as real-world evidence, is the height of selfish irresponsibility.”
July 10, 2021 at 8:58 pm #130820znModeratorTed@trom771
Everyone at Fox had to get vaccinated before they were allowed back into the studio. They ain’t working from home anymore, so yeah, all those people on air, telling their viewers that the vaccine is dangerous, have definitely been vaccinated.July 12, 2021 at 8:35 am #130849znModeratorDr. Anthony Fauci said he was horrified to see attendees at CPAC cheering that the U.S. hadn’t reached its vaccination goals. "I mean, they are cheering about someone saying that it’s a good thing for people not to try and save their lives.” https://t.co/JibEQhhQuJ
— Jon Cooper 🇺🇸 (@joncoopertweets) July 12, 2021
July 15, 2021 at 12:44 pm #130914znModeratorDoctor has a message for anti-vaxxers pic.twitter.com/FMvYfYG9YR
— Fifty Shades of Whey (@davenewworld_2) July 15, 2021
July 16, 2021 at 1:39 pm #130920znModeratorHad a COVID patient in the ED. I inquired if they had been vaccinated. “It’s against my religion, the vaccine is made from aborted babies.” I explained that it definitely is not. “Whatever you say, I’ve looked it up online”. Got a complaint that they felt judged. Help me🧘♂️😷
— AustinERdoc (@AustinERdoc) July 15, 2021
July 16, 2021 at 4:22 pm #130921joemadParticipantA lot people still casting doubt on getting vaxxed…
This guy posts daily on different social media platforms to encourage folks not to vax…
I can get vaccinated…but won’t. What’s up with you media personalities and the guilt trips towards sane people? I would assume the vast majority of the @NFL elite athletes you cover aren’t thrilled about getting a forced vaccine that hasn’t even been tested on animals. https://t.co/hOCU9lfnlK
— Aubrey Huff (@aubrey_huff) July 15, 2021
July 17, 2021 at 1:53 pm #130938znModeratorRepublicans' confidence in “science” is nearly 30 points lower than in 1975. Democrats are more confident in “science” than in 1975
Weird how this has become a culture war issue https://t.co/EVgAc6k8a5 pic.twitter.com/qadeigD25t— Catherine Rampell (@crampell) July 16, 2021
July 17, 2021 at 6:15 pm #130940znModeratorThis is the current situation in my state, Arkansas. This affects everyone’s access to healthcare. pic.twitter.com/GfO7flSyCz
— Eilish Palmer (@eilishp) July 17, 2021
July 20, 2021 at 1:26 am #130979znModerator#NEW: COVID-19 hospitalizations in Texas continue to rise and have passed 3,000.
Now at 3,046 Texans hospitalized due to COVID, highest level since March 30 and up 113% in the last three weeks.
State officials say they’ve seen hospitals report 96-100% are *unvaccinated*
(@wfaa)— William Joy (@WilliamJoy) July 19, 2021
July 20, 2021 at 12:12 pm #130995znModerator"Senator @RandPaul, you do not know what you are talking about, and I want to say that officially." pic.twitter.com/CptxgKdciy
— Coronavirus War Room (@Covid19WarRoom) July 20, 2021
July 22, 2021 at 12:35 am #131032znModeratorAnd I call Charlie Kirk a complete idiot. https://t.co/o4Bnu4fO2R
— David Weissman (@davidmweissman) July 22, 2021
July 24, 2021 at 5:04 am #131061znModerator"This is not just a disease of the elderly and frail"
Younger adults admitted to hospital with Covid almost as likely to suffer from complications as those over 50 years old, study says https://t.co/QwIiKVBrWP
— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) July 16, 2021
July 28, 2021 at 6:43 pm #131178znModeratorProfanity-screaming anti-masker tells high school student she doesn’t care her family members died of COVID-19 https://t.co/zG46qMzPvX
— Derek Gendvil (@dgendvil) July 28, 2021
July 30, 2021 at 11:15 am #131215znModeratorPeople in Missouri are donning disguises to receive a coronavirus vaccine, according to a doctor there. Patients are worried about how their family members and friends will treat them if they reveal they have been vaccinated. https://t.co/7XFGprbavP
— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) July 29, 2021
August 5, 2021 at 2:24 pm #131319znModeratorThis is great
From Federation of State Medical Boards (folks who oversee physician licensing)
Physicians who spread misinformation about COVID vaccines are risking their medical license
Its a very small group of Docs who do this
Yanking their license makes sense https://t.co/JW70yOnBhS
— Ashish K. Jha, MD, MPH (@ashishkjha) August 5, 2021
August 6, 2021 at 7:20 am #131332znModeratorGOP Congressman, Ralph Norman of SC who’s suing Speaker Pelosi over his $500 fine for not wearing a mask has tested positive for COVID. pic.twitter.com/vlawBbQwGF
— Hoodlum 🇺🇸 (@NotHoodlum) August 5, 2021
August 6, 2021 at 11:00 am #131335znModeratorNurse recounts choosing which COVID patients should be treated with limited supplies based on their chance to survive pic.twitter.com/pFleP0knTn
— Marjorie Gaylor Queen (@Tim_Tweeted) August 5, 2021
August 6, 2021 at 2:57 pm #131337znModerator“The vaccines work, time to ramp up the price.”
Pfizer and Moderna have raised the prices of their COVID jabs in their latest EU supply contracts, says a Financial Times report. pic.twitter.com/rWBehyj7MX
— Al Jazeera English (@AJEnglish) August 6, 2021
August 6, 2021 at 4:50 pm #131340znModeratorNEW @CDCgov study shows that people who have contracted COVID-19 before are more than 2X as likely to be reinfected if they are not fully vaccinated, compared to those who are. https://t.co/Mpyi7uq1rD
— Weijia Jiang (@weijia) August 6, 2021
August 8, 2021 at 12:18 am #131367znModeratorRepublicans treated Covid like a bioweapon. Then it turned against them
Some of the most powerful conservatives in the United States have, since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, chosen to sow disinformation along with mockery and distrust of proven methods of combating the disease, from masks to vaccines to social distancing. Their actions have afflicted the nation as a whole with more disease and death and economic crisis than good leadership aligned with science might have, and, in spite of hundreds of thousands of well-documented deaths and a new surge, they continue. Their malice has become so normal that its real nature is rarely addressed. Call it biological warfare by propaganda.
Call Jared Kushner the spiritual heir of the army besieging the city of Caffa on the Black Sea in 1346, which, according to a contemporaneous account, catapulted plague-infected corpses over the city walls. This is sometimes said to be how the Black Death came to Europe, where it would kill tens of millions of people – a third of the European population – over the next 15 years. A Business Insider article from a year ago noted: “Kushner’s coronavirus team shied away from a national strategy, believing that the virus was hitting Democratic states hardest and that they could blame governors.” An administration more committed to saving lives than scoring points could have contained the pandemic rather than made the US the worst-hit nation in the world. Illnesses and casualties could have been far lower, and we could have been better protected against the Delta variant.
At the outset of the pandemic, as Seattle and New York City became hard hit, Republicans apparently imagined that the pandemic would strike Democratic states and cities first, and certainly in 2020 Black, Latinx and indigenous people were disproportionately affected. To put it clearly, Republicans enabled a campaign of mass death and disablement, thinking it would be primarily mean death and illness for those they regarded as opponents.
Nevertheless, Democratic governors, Native nations and people with moderate-to-leftwing views have done a better job of protecting against this scourge. The worst-hit areas in the country are now Republican-led states and regions. At one point recently, Florida under raging science denier Governor Ron DeSantis, with about 7.5% of the US population, accounted for 20% of all new Covid cases. The governors of Florida and Texas have banned mask mandates, making attempts to protect public health, including that of children, acts of defiance by cities and school districts. DeSantis’s supporters are peddling “Don’t Fauci My Florida” T-shirts and drink coolers with the text “How the hell am I going to drink a beer with a mask on?” On 27 July, as Delta infections proliferated, House minority leader Kevin McCarthy tweeted, “Make no mistake – The threat of bringing masks back is not a decision based on science, but a decision conjured up by liberal government officials who want to continue to live in a perpetual pandemic state.”
Call Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham the spiritual heirs of Lord Jeffery Amherst, the British military commander who in 1763 wrote to an underling, “Could it not be contrived to send the Small Pox among those disaffected tribes of Indians?” As the New York Times put it with characteristic mildness, “Mr Carlson, Ms Ingraham and guests on their programs have said on the air that the vaccines could be dangerous; that people are justified in refusing them; and that public authorities have overstepped in their attempts to deliver them.” Newsweek was more blunt, quoting Ingraham herself saying that the vaccine was an attempt to push an “experimental drug on Americans against their will – threatening them, threatening to deprive them of basic liberties, if they don’t comply.” The goal was to rile up the audience – and prevent them from getting vaccinated, while the evidence was clear that the vaccines prevent both disease in the vaccinated and the spread of disease. Vaccines are, incidentally, how smallpox was eliminated worldwide.
There is of course another angle to the conservative response to the pandemic. In far-right ideology, freedom – for white men especially – is an absolute goal. Even recognizing the systems in which we are all enmeshed might burden the free person with obligations to others and to the whole. Science itself is a series of descriptions of our enmeshedness: of how pesticides travel beyond the crops they’re sprayed on, of the way that fossil fuel emissions contribute to health problems and climate change, of how the spread of disease can be prevented by collective action. Rightwing ideology, after all, has emphasised the right to own and carry a gun over the right to be free of being menaced or murdered by guns, as thousands are in the US every year.
But just as the right to brandish guns is defended in the face of those gun deaths, so the right to contract and spread a sometimes lethal and often debilitating disease is defended as the antithesis of the responsibility not to do so. It’s safe to assume that the Republican leadership knows better, and that some of their followers do and some don’t. Some have chosen to engage in biological warfare; some are merely tools being used in that warfare. That is, some of them are unwitting corpses being catapulted over the walls, unconscious smallpox blankets; some of them are Amherst in spirit. Those using fake vaccine cards – as college students, and two recent travelers from the US to Canada have – are definitely Amhersts.
Covid-19 is far from the first time people have decided to profit from promoting the death of others: the fossil fuel industry plunging ahead while fully aware that climate catastrophe was the consequence of its product is the most extreme example. Manufacturers of guns and prescription opiates have done so as well. But it might be the first time that a new threat has been so dramatically increased not by direct profiteers but by those selling ideology and sowing division.
Measuring the impact of the pandemic by its death toll leaves out other impacts that matter: millions of schoolchildren isolated and undereducated, millions of parents exhausted by double duty, millions of small businesses shuttered, millions unemployed and impoverished, their dreams crushed, millions isolated and anxious, millions grieving the dead. Medical workers who were selflessly heroic the first time around are demoralized now that the hospitalised are so often people who could have been vaccinated, could have been careful, but chose not to. The poison runs through everything. Some of it was spread on purpose.
August 8, 2021 at 10:48 am #131370znModeratorUSA with the best vaccine supply has now 17% of the worlds daily new COVID cases. In number of cases per day we are in a different level and trajectory than every other country in the world. Again. pic.twitter.com/78FG4Vf7Oc
— Vincent Rajkumar (@VincentRK) August 8, 2021
August 8, 2021 at 1:24 pm #131381znModeratorToday’s the day to help the LSU community. Get your vaccine: https://t.co/uYetQZYj6x pic.twitter.com/HatXTqIF5o
— LSU (@LSU) August 5, 2021
August 9, 2021 at 11:43 am #131395znModeratorTexas officials say just 6 ICU beds are available for Austin and the ten counties around it and the 2.4 million people who live there https://t.co/8xEFlnooGF
— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) August 9, 2021
August 11, 2021 at 8:46 pm #131478znModeratorIf an adult gets sick w/ Covid after foregoing vaccination (other than due to an auto-immune issue or related medical issue), they should go to the end of the line, not the front, if hospitals run out of room. Listen. #COVID19 pic.twitter.com/raN9uByVyj
— Jennifer Cohn ✍🏻 📢 (@jennycohn1) August 11, 2021
August 18, 2021 at 3:00 pm #131577znModeratorBREAKING – Fox News is requiring all employees to enter their vaccination status into a central database — and requiring masking in confined spaces. Hypocrisy much? pic.twitter.com/LHMsT7IBSL
— Tristan Snell (@TristanSnell) August 18, 2021
August 19, 2021 at 12:55 am #131584znModeratorBREAKING: Biden announces a series of executive actions against Republican governors who are blocking mask mandates. "We’re not going to sit by as governors try to intimidate educators protecting our children."
— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) August 18, 2021
August 19, 2021 at 12:28 pm #131587znModeratorRepublican state Sen. André Jacques, one of the Wisconsin Legislature’s most conservative lawmakers and a vocal opponent of mask and vaccine mandates, tested positive for COVID-19 last week and was at the hospital on Monday with pneumonia. https://t.co/AJEfxz01x0
— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) August 19, 2021
August 19, 2021 at 12:33 pm #131588znModeratorAnti-vaccine lawmakers are calling for Maine Gov. Janet Mills execution, claiming shes a Nazi doctor who violated the Nuremberg Code when she implemented a Covid vaccine mandate for healthcare workers https://t.co/aWsZS6LFph
— Nathan Bernard (@nathanTbernard) August 19, 2021
August 19, 2021 at 7:06 pm #131593znModeratorRemember the Trumper I went on a date with? You know, just to see. Well, she had been making fake vax cards for people. Mocking it, basically. And now her Mom and Sister are both stuck in a hospital in Nevada with COVID and pneumonia. No laughing matter. You reap what you sow.
— Wagnum Opus (@Wags_Official) August 19, 2021
August 19, 2021 at 7:24 pm #131594TSRFParticipantIs it just me, or is that Wisconsin guy a dead ringer for Newman from Seinfeld?
Just saying, I’m sure he is not as funny. at all, at all…
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