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May 1, 2015 at 2:06 pm #23951znModerator
Gordon: Let’s hope Rams are still looking to bolster offensive line
By Jeff Gordon
After drafting running back Todd Gurley 10th overall in the NFL draft Thursday night, Rams coach Jeff Fisher dismissed concerns about the state of his offensive line.
“We’ve got a good group up front,” Fisher insisted. “We’ll be OK.”
That, of course, was utter nonsense. The Rams did not have a good group up front and Fisher knew it.
This is why the Rams kept adding offensive linemen over the weekend, hoping to find strength in numbers with draft picks Robert Havenstein, Jamon Brown, Andrew Donnal and Cody Wichmann, plus undrafted free agent Darrell Williams.
After getting largely disappointing results from some pricey free agent purchases for the line — Jake Long, Scott Wells and Harvey Dahl — the Rams chose to undergo a youth movement this time around.
Rather than overpay some so-so veterans, the Rams opted to build through the draft, past and present. That was a smart move given the lack of offensive line depth in this year’s free agent marketplace.
But plenty of work remains. By no means is the problem solved.
The Rams must coach up their army of young blockers during the months ahead to build the leverage Fisher’s running scheme requires. Adding another value-priced veteran along the trail would be a good idea too.
As cornerstone linemen go, Rodger Saffold isn’t the sturdiest player to build upon. He battled shoulder trouble again last season while managing to start all 16 games.
Can he do that again?
Second overall 2014 draft pick Greg Robinson remains a work in progress at the critical left tackle position. At times he graded roads in the ground game while starting 12 games, but predictably he struggled in pass blocking while transitioning from a run-happy college program.
At times he served as a turnstile for speed rushers. He was a wide turnstile, but easily bypassed nonetheless.
Center Tim Barnes is one of the graybeards of the group. He has played 45 games for the Rams but only four of them were as a starter. He has been in Fisher’s program from the start, so at least he has done tons of preparatory work.
Former Alabama center Barrett Jones was essentially a medical redshirt as a rookie while recovering from his collegiate injuries. Lingering back problems sidelined him last summer and further hindered his development.
He, too, will need lots of work before he is ready to start at center or guard.
Of the current draft class, Havenstein has the best chance to step in right away.
“With big Rob, he is ready to play,” general manager Les Snead said. “He’s a right tackle, started a ton of games – never missed any. They run the ball well up there. Went to the Senior Bowl. All of that translated to the Senior Bowl. He’s just a guy that knows his strengths and weaknesses and how to use them.”
The hard part, of course, is learning how to block NFL-caliber pass rushers. Like Robinson, Havenstein is transitioning from a run-based collegiate offense.
“He knows what can beat him and what can’t,” Snead said. “I think those guys over time learn to use all that knowledge to know his weaknesses, not get himself into a place where those weaknesses are going to be exposed. The smartness probably comes in handy there.”
That is an honest assessment but not tremendously reassuring.
The Rams hope Brown can push for regular duty at one of the guard spots. The former Louisville standout boosted his stock at the scouting combine.
“A lot of his numbers in all of the drills kind of jumped into what really good starters in our league do at the combine,” Snead said. “There’s an element of upside there with the kid. I think those are the two things that we liked about him.”
Offensive line coach Paul Boudreau has earned a sterling teaching reputation in the game, but Fisher and Snead have given him heavy instructional load. Graduating a finished product in time for the real games will be difficult.
Donnal, for one, sounds like a willing student.
“I view myself as a blue collar grinder,” he said. “I’m a guy that’s going to come out and work my (backside) off every day to be the best that I can possibly be. I thoroughly enjoy just playing football, being an offensive lineman and moving the guy from point A to point B against his will. Protecting the quarterback and mauling inside, there’s nothing better.”
Since the end of the season, the Rams have subtracted faded veterans Wells, Long and Davin Joseph. Thus far the only veteran to join the mix is tackle Garrett Reynolds, who played 42 games (with 23 starts) over five seasons with the Atlanta Falcons and Detroit Lions.
He profiles as a depth player for the Rams, not a starter. “Garrett’s done a nice job here just in the short time he’s been here in the last couple weeks,” Fisher said. “But there’s always that chance that we would add somebody.”
That would be a very, very good idea. To take some pressure off this developmental process, Snead should add more experience to the unit.
Now that teams have filled offensive line needs via the draft, the price for lingering free agents like guard Justin Blalock and tackle Joe Barksdale should keep plunging. Other veterans may become available as teams make their post-draft roster adjustments.
Keep shopping, Les, keep shopping.
May 1, 2015 at 2:06 pm #23586znModeratorOffensive line still needs addressing as Rams head to day two
By Nick Wagoner
EARTH CITY, Mo. — As St. Louis Rams coach Jeff Fisher and general manager Les Snead discussed the decision to spend the No. 10 overall pick on Georgia running back Todd Gurley on Thursday night, the question hovered over them like the constant cloud that surrounded Pigpen in the old “Peanuts” comic strip.
Fisher and Snead dutifully ticked off the many reasons they loved Gurley and pointed to him as a “special” talent capable of turning a woeful offense on its ear. But before the Rams’ power duo could retreat back to their upstairs draft room at Rams Park, the question came.
“So, who is going to block for him?”
It’s a question that could have been asked in relation to any Rams running back or quarterback over the past couple of months. The Rams’ need for help on the offensive line has been well-documented, but for those who might have missed it, they have glaring needs at center, guard and right tackle.
Snead was quick to respond to the query.
“We’ve drafted some people in the past and they did make this thing a three-day event. I didn’t decide that, so we have got to live through Friday and Saturday,” Snead said. “So we’ll see if we can help improve that position there. We’ll still let the board guide us but we’re well aware (of the need).”
Of the players returning, only guard Rodger Saffold started on opening day last season and left tackle Greg Robinson is the only other projected starter with any sort of extensive experience. The Rams released tackle Jake Long and center Scott Wells on the eve of free agency in March.
Snead and Fisher have said multiple times that they could get by with one of the trio of Barrett Jones, Tim Barnes and Demetrius Rhaney handling the center job in 2015. A reunion with Wells later on also can’t be ruled out.
But even if that’s the case, the Rams still need to find a minimum of two starters on the offensive line. There remain a couple of obvious possibilities in free agency, including the possible re-signing of tackle Joe Barksdale and/or the addition of guard Justin Blalock.
The Rams have remained in contact with both players, but with a little less than $10 million in cap space and a rookie class to sign, they might not be able to afford both. Which means Friday night’s second and third rounds could prove pivotal in how the Rams construct the offensive line moving forward.
During the pre-draft process the Rams are known to have brought in 12 offensive line prospects. Seven offensive linemen went in Thursday’s first round, five of whom paid pre-draft visits to Rams Park.
That still leaves seven linemen who visited St. Louis — South Carolina’s A.J. Cann, Pittsburgh’s T.J. Clemmings, Louisville’s Jamon Brown, LSU’s La’el Collins, Arizona State’s Jamil Douglas, Florida State’s Tre Jackson and Hobart’s Ali Marpet — available heading into Friday’s proceedings. And that doesn’t include Wisconsin’s Rob Havenstein and Missouri’s Mitch Morse, both of whom are known to have received interest from the Rams.
Other linemen that also rate highly and are still available include Oregon tackle Jake Fisher and Penn State tackle Donovan Smith, among others.
No matter which names the Rams turn in Friday, it’s probably a safe bet that they’ll be calling at least one offensive lineman’s. Given the need, it wouldn’t surprise if they doubled down upfront.
May 1, 2015 at 3:35 pm #23593rflParticipantDuring the pre-draft process the Rams are known to have brought in 12 offensive line prospects. Seven offensive linemen went in Thursday’s first round, five of whom paid pre-draft visits to Rams Park.
Seven guys went in the 1st round.
All 7 can’t have gone before #10. We apparently passed on some.
Damn. We’re almost to the point where we need 1st round talent even if it has question marks.
By virtue of the absurd ...
May 1, 2015 at 8:06 pm #23618HerzogParticipantDuring the pre-draft process the Rams are known to have brought in 12 offensive line prospects. Seven offensive linemen went in Thursday’s first round, five of whom paid pre-draft visits to Rams Park.
Seven guys went in the 1st round.
All 7 can’t have gone before #10. We apparently passed on some.
Damn. We’re almost to the point where we need 1st round talent even if it has question marks.
Yeah…. I mean Gurley better be something special. You already have two 1000 yard backs on the roster. I think they are looking for that 2000 yard back.
May 1, 2015 at 11:30 pm #23636MackeyserModeratorPretty sure Havenstein and Jamon Brown addressed the OL in a BIG way.
Pun intended.
But it also did it well.
And…pun intended.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
May 3, 2015 at 7:40 pm #23911znModeratorPretty sure Havenstein and Jamon Brown addressed the OL in a BIG way.
Pun intended.
from off the net
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ReddingRam
We are MASSIVE along the OL now.
Steven Baker – T- 6’7″ – 310
Tim Barnes – C – 6’4″-306
Travis Bond – G/T – 6’6″- 329
Barrett Jones – G/C- 6’4″ – 308
Garrett Reynolds – T – 6’7″ – 308
Greg Robinson – T – 6’5″ – 332
Roger Saffold – G/T – 6’5″ – 332
Brandon Washington – G – 6’2″ – 318Now add
Rob Havenstein – T – 6’7″ – 321
Jamon Brown – G/T – 6’4″ – 323
Andrew Donnal – G/T – 6’6″ – 313
Cody Wichmann – G/T- 6’6″ – 315That is a WALL of BEEF my friends!
May 4, 2015 at 1:18 am #23944znModeratorRams might have NFL’s least-experienced O-line
By Jim Thomas
If the NFL season started next Sunday, the Rams’ offensive line probably would look like this:
• Left tackle Greg Robinson.
• Left guard Rodger Saffold.
• Center Barrett Jones.
• Right guard Garrett Reynolds or Jamon Brown.
• Right tackle Rob Havenstein.
Will that get it done for quarterback Nick Foles? Todd Gurley and the Rams’ running game?
Will it inspire confidence in Rams coaches? Or even Rams fandom?
We’ll see. After three consecutive years of opening the season with the NFL’s youngest roster, the Rams very well could have the most inexperienced offensive line in pro football.
Joe Barksdale, you say, at right tackle?
Well, maybe it still happens.
But why would Barksdale — who along with his agent severely overestimated his market value — sign with the Rams after they drafted a right tackle in the second round (Havenstein) and one in the fourth (Andrew Donnal)?
Veteran Justin Blalock at guard? Released by the Atlanta Falcons much earlier in the offseason, Blalock would be an improved Davin Joseph when it came to being a stopgap starter. Maybe a much-improved Joseph.
Blalock once played for Rams offensive line coach Paul Boudreau, so he knows the system and could step right in.
He’s a hard-working veteran who could teach the younger Rams how to take notes in the meeting room, how to approach their craft, how to be a pro. He’s been on the Rams’ radar for a while. But if it hasn’t happened yet, will it happen at all?
There has been some organizational conjecture at Rams Park about the possibility of re-signing center Scott Wells at a reduced rate. But Wells is 34 and might want to call it a career. And he was slowed by injury throughout his three seasons here.
Tackle Jake Long? He initially considered retiring after suffering another knee injury last season, a season-ender in Game 7. But the word is he wants to return to the NFL, although it’s uncertain the subject even has come up at Rams Park.
It would have to be at a reduced rate and could possibly be at a different position — such as right tackle or guard. Even if the Rams decided to make another run at him, would he come back under those terms — less money, new spot?
Somebody else with experience might crop up in the coming weeks or months, but it’s hard to bank on that.
So what you see could be what you get on the Rams’ current offensive line. After drafting four O-linemen Friday and Saturday, they have 13 on their offseason roster. That’s not including any undrafted rookies the team might sign, but already enough to get the Rams through training camp.
From a mental standpoint, playing in the NFL is like getting your Ph.D in football. Even on the offensive line, it normally takes the smartest, most studious player to grasp the schemes, protections and proper blocking angles quickly.
If Havenstein or Brown has to start right away, there undoubtedly would be bumps along the way because of the adjustment process. Remember, No. 2 overall pick Robinson was held out of the first four games in 2014 for that very reason.
At right guard, the veteran Reynolds (27 NFL starts) could begin the year as the starter while Brown gets some grooming.
Reynolds, a free-agent pickup from Detroit, is a scrapper with a reputation for having his teammates’ back on the field, and trying to get that extra block downfield. But ideally, he’s a third guard — a swing player who also can help at tackle if needed.
If it all falls apart up front, the Rams will regret the fact that they didn’t aggressively pursue veteran help in free agency.
Along those same lines, taking a running back with the 10th the pick of the draft and waiting until No. 57 to draft an offensive lineman might blow up in their faces as well. A healthy Gurley might indeed be a special back, or what general manager Les Snead called a “once-in-a-while” kind of back.
He also might have been the vaunted “best player available” on the board at the time. That probably wasn’t the case for Havenstein and Brown. Both could turn out to be effective players and long-term starters, but at first glance they appear to be over-drafted. In other words, taken a little higher than their value.
Havenstein, for example, was the eighth tackle selected (the seventh if you consider Iowa’s Brandon Scherff an NFL guard). The talent available at the position dropped considerably after Havenstein’s selection — he might have been the last tackle drafted with genuine potential to start on day one as a rookie.
A college tackle, Brown projects as an NFL guard, and most pre-draft projections had him going in the Round 4-5 area. He’s a wide-body mauler type with 40 games of college starting experience at Louisville, and obviously the Rams had a higher opinion as they took him early in Round 3.
We’ll find out soon enough if the Rams’ assessment was right. But strictly in terms of being a prospect entering the league, Brown is no Laken Tomlinson — the Duke player considered the best true guard prospect. Similarly, Havenstein is no Andrus Peat, the Stanford project considered the best left tackle prospect in the draft.
Three years from now, those draft ratings might seem ridiculous. But for now, Gurley better be plenty good. And plenty good right away. Because in an already-stacked backfield, he looks like a luxury pick right now.
For those reasons, our instant grade on the Rams’ draft class of 2015 is C+.
May 4, 2015 at 1:39 am #23946AgamemnonParticipantfor now, Gurley better be plenty good. And plenty good right away. Because in an already-stacked backfield, he looks like a luxury pick right now.
This draft is more about 2016, 17, and 18. imo
You have to start somewhere and even if you use rookies, these are about as NFL ready for rookies as you can get. They all started 40 or more games and have good technique. I can live that. The sooner they play, the sooner they get better. We can still add some vets if we want to. We have a bit of cap space.I guess if we drafted Marshall Faulk, that would be luxury pick too. 😉
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