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  • #39871
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    Lynch is big, at 6-foot-7, and athletic. He is described by some draft analysts as not yet polished as a passer and perhaps not yet ready to play immediately as a rookie.

    “I didn’t really throw the ball at all in high school because we were a wing-T offense,” he said. “When I got to Memphis, that’s the first time I actually started throwing the ball in general. We kind of tested a few things out. When I first came in, I was just kind of a big, skinny, lanky guy. So they didn’t really know what I could and couldn’t do. They just kind of started trying things out, moving me in the pocket and stuff like that. I’m confident in my abilities and what I can and can’t do.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/02/29/2016-nfl-draft-memphis-qb-paxton-lynch-may-be-biggest-first-round-question/?tid=a_inl#first

    I am fine with drafting Lynch, but he is raw, almost Greg Robinson raw.

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    Gruden’s QB camp: Jared Goff

    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:14892331

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    Of this link, poster hacksaw[] says:

    I posted just the link because the entire article wouldn’t copy over due to the film breakdown files on Lynch. Don’t hesitate to check it out. This is one of the better one’s I have read. Not the usual fluff piece. Actually, pretty decent analysis.

    Monson: What to make of Paxton Lynch’s NFL potential (Film breakdown)

    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/03/01/draft-monson-what-to-make-of-paxton-lynchs-nfl-potential/

    From the Article:

    The top two QBs in this class are head and shoulders above the rest, but Paxton Lynch has a good chance to stand alone as the third guy. He has all of the physical tools that NFL teams love, and while his offense makes a comprehensive evaluation and projection to the NFL tricky, there is much to like. The issue is how much of a question mark projecting him into a pro-style system is, and how confident can any team be in doing that?

    When one adds in the troubling accuracy and anticipation on intermediate throws – the NFL’s bread and butter – there are enough questions about Lynch to keep him well away from Goff and Wentz. It’ll perhaps make him a later-round player, even if the position he plays will likely dictate he is drafted higher.

    The Memphis QB draws a comparison to Joe Flacco, but must improve on his accuracy and anticipation.

    #40089
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    He is almost the Greg Robinson of QBs. imo Is he worth taking at 15? I would probably take a position player.

    Agamemnon

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    from off the net

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    merlin

    What type of QB do the Rams want? I’m guessing they want a big guy who can play action and hit receivers down field for big plays. Good leadership, and a guy who carries himself well with the media. Lastly, I think boldness in the pocket is gonna matter too, they don’t want a guy who is a checkdown machine with a rush or perceived expectations of the rush, and if there is mobility that’s a big plus.

    Using that as criteria the guys who fit are Wentz (total package), Goff (accurate throws in face of pressure), and Lynch (downfield accuracy is outstanding) in the round 1 real estate. Lynch projects as a guy who will need more time, and from that respect the other two will be more desired, but I don’t think he gets by the Rams at 15 because he checks so many blocks. I mean, put in his tape and there’s just no way this guy lasts until round 2 in the current QB starved climate in the NFL.

    It really gets interesting as you look at the guys lower down the draft board, too. Prescott fits in every way but size, and while he took a hit with that DUI I do not think NFL types see him as a risk. Gil Brandt covered this the other day on Sirius and went on and on about how well liked he is as a person off the field by himself and the teams, and that perception is going to buy Prescott some draft day stock I think. The impact of that DUI is that now he should be there at our round 2 picks but that is not a certainty with teams like the Broncos and Jets being potentially more desperate than the Rams.

    I don’t think the Rams even consider Hackenburg prior to round 4ish. He’s a scared rabbit with any kind of rush, major reclamation project. Jones is all raw arm talent and couldn’t keep his job. Cook has a weak back foot and some team is going to gamble they can fix his terrible accuracy with mechanics, I pray it’s not the Rams.

    Guys who I think can fit mid to late rounds are Doughty, whose arm isn’t the strongest but is exceptionally accurate and competitive. Hogan, who also doesn’t have a cannon but who meets a lot of the criteria too. And Allen, who defies all his measurables with perhaps the best tape out of most of these QBs.

    #40752
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    NFL

    Find this article at:
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000644486/article/nfc-exec-jared-goff-is-drafts-best-qb-we-wish-hed-fall-to-us
    NFC exec: Jared Goff is draft’s best QB, we wish he’d fall to us

    By Lance Zierlein
    NFL Media draft analyst
    Published: March 15, 2016 at 04:59 p.m.
    Updated: March 17, 2016 at 09:12 p.m.

    Our analysts and writers are constantly talking to NFL and college sources about draft prospects. Lance Zierlein share some of what NFL folks are discussing in draft rooms throughout the league.

    Note: NFL Network will have live coverage of Cal’s pro day, where QB Jared Goff will be the main attraction, beginning at 12 p.m. ET on Friday, March 18.

    The scoop: “I wish somebody would start some rumor to get (Jared) Goff to fall in the draft. Let’s get that small-hand talk going! We would take him tomorrow. He’s the best quarterback in this draft and it’s not as close as the media is making it sound.” — NFC executive on the Cal QB

    The skinny: While this executive was clearly joking about starting a rumor (wasn’t he??), he was very strong in his affinity for the Cal signal-caller. Goff’s hand size (9 inches) was the talk of the NFL Scouting Combine because it’s on the small side for an NFL starter, but I’ve had Goff at the top of the QB pack from the outset because of the entirety of his skill set. While the general consensus in media circles is that Carson Wentz has taken over as the top QB prospect in this draft, that might not be the case in NFL circles.
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    2016 NFL DRAFT

    Tracker: Players | Positions | By grade

    Draft coverage:

    Mayock’s position-by-position rankings
    Jeremiah: Top 50 draft prospects
    2016 draft order and team needs
    Draft rumors: Connecting players, teams
    2016 pro days schedule and results
    CFB 24/7: Full ‘Path to Draft’ coverage

    Mock drafts:

    Brooks 4.0: Broncos land QB of future
    Jeremiah 4.0: Bears find QB of future
    Zierlein 3.0: Bosa falls to Bucs
    Davis 2.0: Titans boost defense
    Reuter 4.0: Four-round projection

    The scoop: “He’s a good football player. I like him, but he’s not tall and he has average speed. It’s pretty rare to see cornerbacks who don’t have great size and speed get taken early. If we were looking for a cornerback with a top-10 pick, I don’t know if our GM would be willing to take him that early.” — AFC personnel executive on Florida CB Vernon Hargreaves III

    The skinny: This is the prevailing mindset in NFL circles and we certainly understand the logic behind it. However, once a player is chosen and suits up for the first time, his draft position no longer matters. His talent does, though. Hargreaves is a very good football player. Did I mention my player comparison for him is Joe Haden, who has similar physical and athletic measurements? Yeah, Haden (a two-time Pro Bowler) went seventh overall in the 2010 draft and is doing just fine.
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    The scoop: “It’s hard to get worked up about him because he’s not a classic edge rusher and his tape won’t knock your socks off. Good combine, but I don’t see that same explosion on tape. He’s very strong and very productive. I just don’t know what to do with him.” — NFL general manager on Oklahoma State edge rusher Emmanuel Ogbah

    The skinny: Ogbah posted terrific numbers in the 40-yard dash (4.63 seconds), vertical jump (35.5 inches) and broad jump (10-1), which forced some NFL evaluators to reassess what Ogbah is vs. what he could be based on his measurements. While Ogbah doesn’t appear to be beloved in scouting circles, he was ultra-productive for two consecutive seasons and will bring NFL power and hand strength to the table as soon as he sets foot on a practice field. The question is whether NFL teams will buy into the production and athletic numbers or rely on their expectations of what a pass rusher should look and play like.

    Follow Lance Zierlein on Twitter @LanceZierlein.

    Agamemnon

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    Connor Cook impressive at Michigan State pro day

    Carlos Monarrez, Detroit Free Press

    http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2016/03/16/connor-cook-msu-pro-day/81877426/

    EAST LANSING — Connor Cook wasn’t perfect on his pro day. But he wasn’t too far off, either.

    The former Michigan State quarterback showed off his impressive arm and plenty of accuracy in front of representatives all 32 NFL teams.

    Also notable: the way Cook handled himself before and after the workout. He said hello to visitors, started conversations and moved easily around the practice facility. And when it was over, Cook handled the familiar questions about his leadership and character comfortably and without a hint of disdain.

    “People can say whatever the heck they want to say about me and it’s not going to affect me one bit,” he said. “If they want to talk about the captain thing, if they want to say I’m a bad person, if they want to do anything like that, they can come meet me and talk to me and then get a better feel on that, because a lot of the people who are saying that stuff have never even met me before.

    “They can come talk to my teammates, come talk to my coaches. But if they’re not going to do that and they’re going to continue to say that, I really don’t care.”

    MSU coach Mark Dantonio admitted he was surprised by how much Cook’s non-captaincy has continued to gain momentum. But Dantonio has continued to be impressed with how well Cook has handled the scrutiny.

    “Yeah, I think he’s been very transparent in how he’s handled things,” Dantonio said. “And I’ve tried to be the same in terms of what we try to do. I think it’s a position that’s highly regarded and highly evaluated and scrutinized. With that, I think he’s done a great job.”

    Cook, one of 19 players who worked out Wednesday, took part only in throwing drills. He said his shoulder injury is 100% healed.

    “Right now my arm’s stronger than it’s ever been,” he said. “Stronger than it was even before the injury.”

    It certainly looked that way while Cook threw about 60 to 65 passes. While he was admittedly not perfect, Cook thought he answered some questions for scouts.

    “Can he drive it?” Cook said. “Can he throw it deep? Can he bang out a 20-yard comeback down the field? And I showed that I can do that. There was things like that I wanted to prove and obviously why I’m one of the best QBs in the country.”

    Cook may have answered some questions about his arm Wednesday. But he knows the questions about his head and heart will remain for one simple reason.

    “Because I wasn’t voted captain,” he said. “When you have a quarterback that’s that successful and a team that’s that good and he’s not voted captain, there’s going to be some issues. So people immediately jump to conclusions: ‘Oh, he must have done something to not be voted captain. Did he break a team rule? Did he get arrested?’ No. ‘Well, he must not get along with his teammates.’ That’s not true, either. ‘He must have a really bad attitude or a bad personality.’ And that’s not true, either.”

    Cincinnati Bengals cornerback Darqueze Dennard attended the workout and called himself a “huge Connor Cook fan.” Dennard noted that one reason Cook probably was not voted captain was because of the depth of leadership on the team last season.

    “It’s a very deep group of seniors that played a lot of ball for Michigan State and won a lot of big games for them,” Dennard said. “So I think they’re just trying to pick and nag about things, and I don’t think it’s right. But like always, I think he’ll prove them wrong. I truly believe that and we’ll see.”

    #40762
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    It will be an interesting draft. Maybe even EPIC.

    Agamemnon

    #40764
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    my feeling is that this will be an unpredictable draft. would that be accurate?

    #40765
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    my feeling is that this will be an unpredictable draft. would that be accurate?

    Yes.

    Agamemnon

    #40770
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    Thot it was interesting, near the end of this audio
    McShay said that for a long time the Patriots drafted
    players from Rutgers and Florida cause they did studies
    that showed those teams had systems that lead to
    player-success in the NFL. Just a tidbit
    i thot was inter esting

    itz at about the 56 mark of this audio, fwiw

    Kiper/McShay Break Down Their Offensive Big Board –Audio

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    #40798
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    A lot of people like reading this guy. The whole article is already posted in another thread http://theramshuddle.com/topic/2016-mocks-general-draft-commentaries-thread-2/ but here is McGinn just on 5 of the qbs.

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    from 2016 NFL Draft Outlook

    Bob McGinn

    http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/2016-nfl-draft-outlook-b99676279z1-370399721.html

    Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State: 6-5, 237. Played behind Waupaca’s Brock Jensen until 2014. A wrist injury in ’15 limited him to just 23 career starts. “He’s a big guy with a big arm,” said one scout. “The ball gets there. He’s not a scrambler per se but he has speed. He might be the most physically talented of the group. Would I be nervous with this guy? Absolutely. But if you have no quarterback at all, what do you got to lose?” Finished with an NFL passer rating of 105.2. Scored 29 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test. “He’s got an arm,” another scout said. “But it’s such a long way from that level of play to the NFL at any position, let alone quarterback.”

    Jared Goff*, QB, California: 6-4, 215. Third-year junior with 37 starts. “He might be the most ready,” one scout said. “Thing I don’t like is his slender build. He did not have a lot of talent around him. Does he have a great arm? No, but it’s good enough. I’d be nervous taking him above 10.” Posted an NFL passer rating of 98.9. “In terms of arm talent, he’ll be like (Jay) Cutler,” another scout said. “Skinny kid. Gets hit a bunch. He doesn’t see everything. Accuracy is off at times, but he is talented. He can really spin it. Really good feet.”

    Paxton Lynch*, QB, Memphis: 6-7, 244. Fourth-year junior. “There’s stuff he doesn’t see but, boy, is he a great athlete for a big guy,” one scout said. “He’s got good feet and can make all the throws.” His NFL passer rating of 93.5 included 110.6 in 2015. “Big production in a lot of games, so-so in some others,” another scout said. “Pretty good athlete for a big kid. Excellent size. He’s got a big ceiling. It’s a weird group of quarterbacks. None of them are just ready-made and none of them show consistency. They’re good, solid starters. None of them are Pro Bowl-caliber type quarterbacks. I would take (Jameis) Winston and (Marcus) Mariota over these guys. No question.”

    Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State: 6-4, 217. Three-year starter with a 34-5 record. “He’s got a great winning percentage, an average arm and a quick release,” one scout said. “I don’t know if his teammates really love him.” Wasn’t elected as a team captain. “He can make all the throws and he’s got some strength to him and he can run,” another scout said. “It’s all the other stuff. How much he really likes ball and how much he’s going to work at it. He likes being a celebrity.” NFL passer rating was 95.1. “Cook speaks well and looks good when he speaks, but he’s not the sharpest guy,” a third scout said. “He’s not a high football IQ guy.”

    Christian Hackenberg*, QB, Penn State: 6-4, 223. Third-year junior. “He’s got an incredible amount of talent,” one scout said. “There are times he makes incredible throws and times he makes stupid throws. Does the pressure rattle him? That’s the key. The changeover in coaches has probably brought him down.” Flourished as a freshman (NFL passer rating of 89.0) before coach Bill O’Brien departed for the Texans. His rating in 2014-’15 dipped to 75.6. “After his freshman year people looked at him as the first pick in the draft,” another scout said. “He could be as talented as any of these quarterbacks. He’s got the arm, the body and is actually a competitor. But the coaches there at Penn State didn’t play to his strengths. A premier type talent like that is so hard to find these days. I could see him going latter part of the first round.”

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    McShay’s top five takeaways from Jared Goff’s pro day

    Todd McShay

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/insider/story/_/id/15010299/mcshay-five-takeaways-jared-goff-pro-day-nfl-draft

    Here’s the first thing you need to know about quarterback pro days: JaMarcus Russell was the best one I’ve ever seen, and we all know how that worked out. So for talent evaluators throughout the league, Jared Goff’s pro day on Friday won’t be a huge part of the grading process, but it was just another opportunity to see how he handles the little things. Is he working on it? That’s really what you want to answer.

    I was on hand to see how the No. 2 QB on my board handled the spotlight. Here are my top five takeaways.

    1. Testing his small hands. At the combine, Goff’s hands measured 9 inches, which is on the lower portion of the acceptable range. That’s a red flag for evaluators just because only 22 quarterbacks from 2008-15 — or less than 10 percent of those at the combine during that span — had hands that measured 9 inches or less. The two most notable QBs were Jimmy Clausen and Ryan Tannehill. Small hands, generally speaking, can equate to poor ball security.

    On Friday, Goff’s hands stretched ever so slightly to 9 1/8 inches, and Pep Hamilton — the QB coach for the Cleveland Browns, who own the No. 2 overall pick — put them to the test. He had Goff throw about a half-dozen deep outs after dousing the ball with water. Goff looked great doing that. This will continue happening during the Cal QB’s individual workouts with teams, but evaluators will also factor in what they’re seen on tape. I watched Goff play in the rain against Oregon this season, and he didn’t have much trouble with ball security.

    2. Looks comfortable in his drops. From the film that I’ve watched, Cal’s offense under Goff was almost 100 percent shotgun-based. Throughout the postseason process, Goff has worked on his five- and seven-step drops from under center. On Friday, he looked more comfortable with his timing and more at ease overall than he did at the combine. Goff’s foot quickness in his drops was really good, and on the vast majority of his throws, he got the ball out early. That’s a good sign for his development.

    Marcus Mariota. The farther into this process we get, the more Goff reminds me of Mariota as a prospect. They both have terrific intangibles and football intelligence, both were groomed in spread offenses, both showed great accuracy and a smooth release on tape, both have skinnier frames, which raised durability concerns, and both were the No. 2 QB on my board. Yes, Goff needs to be developed, just like Mariota did coming out of Oregon, but he has the skill set to eventually develop into a good starter in this league.

    4. Arm strength not an issue. I heard some people say that Goff doesn’t have the strongest arm, but after his performance Friday, there’s just no issue in my mind. Between how smooth and quick his release is and his ability to drive the ball outside the numbers, Goff has the physical tools to make all the throws at the next level. He showed really good zip on deep outs and heaved the ball 60-65 yards in the air on a couple of bombs. Tom Brady had less arm strength than Goff coming out, which is an important reminder that prospects on the skinnier side can continue to improve in this area as they increase their lower body strength.

    5. He was all business. I’ve been to a lot of pro days, particularly with quarterbacks, where it seems like guys are just trying to build their brand. Goff took a very ho-hum approach, much like Andrew Luck a few years ago and Mariota last year. This was a no-frills environment, with the exception of the ESPN and NFL Network cameras there to capture it live. Teams are always looking to see how top prospects carry themselves. Some prefer to soak up the spotlight and turn their pro days into a scene, but Goff was all business, which was refreshing.

    #40834
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    from off the net

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    Rams Junkie

    e: During Goff’s pro day on NFL Network Mayock compared Goff to Matt Ryan

    Mayock on Goff: “The footwork is there the release, the quick release is there. I think the awareness of the game, the awareness presnap even, of defenses. I think it is a really good comp because he is tall, thin kid with good arm strength, probably not elite arm strength, but Buck I think it is a heck of a comp.”

    Jeremiah: “Mike one of the things that I like about both of these quarterbacks, I have Wentz one spot over Goff but I have very similar grades on them. I think both of these quarterbacks are really really tough. You come in this offense and what he has had in front of him at Cal hasn’t been the best at times and you see this kid. He will stand in there and take it and didn’t miss a game either. That really speaks to his toughness.”

    Mayock: “Keep in mind that when he got here with coach Dykes this was a massive rebuilding project. The kid has 37 consecutive starts since the day he set foot on this Berkeley campus. So even though he is a lean build he has answered the bell every single week. And Danny they were 1-11 the first year. They got better year two and this year they went to their first bowl game in several years with an 8-5 record. So this kid kind of put them his back and carried them to an 8-5 record. And I agree 37 consecutive starts, he is a tough kid and I also think he is probably, of all the quarterbacks, the most ready to step in on day one and be able to handle an NFL defense.”

    Brooks: “I agree with you about being able to step in one day one.”

    Bucky asked why Mayock in his mind felt Goff was the most NFL ready QB. Mayock went on to say (paraphrasing now) that Goff played on a team that usually did not have the talent to match up with the team that they were playing, he compared his 37 starts to Wentz’s 23. He cited 1600 pass attempts with a lot of pocket awareness and you can see that it translates well to the NFL. Mayock said Goff will be a little overwhelmed as every rookie is but he will understand the game and has the quick release to get the ball out, he has the footwork and enough arm strength to win in the NFL. He said Wentz has the upside of Luck but considerably more downside because he has not played anywhere near as much football and has not played it at the same level. We don’t know yet whether he has that intrinsic Luck timing awareness etc.

    #40855
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIjMwc-D72w

    Who Are The Sleeper Quarterback Prospects In The 2016 NFL Draft? | Move the Sticks | NFL

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    From another thread…I put it here, too.


    #40934
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    http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130805/jeff-driskel

    TFY Draft Insider’s Tony Pauline noted that “many felt [Louisiana Tech QB Jeff] Driskel could not have thrown the ball better” than he did during Tuesday’s Pro Day.

    Pauline deemed Driskel’s performance “very successful,” then went on to write that he “threw about 60 passes and all but two (one short, one just out of the reach of the pass catcher) were on the mark.” Pauline also noted that the Bulldog gunslinger met with the Lions and Broncos on Tuesday and that the Cardinals are set to meet with him on Wednesday. The 6-foot-4, 234-pounder’s among the more interesting quarterback prospects set to fall in the creamy middle of the draft, with (according to Pauline in mid-February) multiple clubs assigning him a second-round grade. Driskel just missed out on making the cut in Chad Reuter’s fourth four-round mock draft of 2016, though Reuter does include him as a player who would be worthy of being drafted before the fourth round’s completed. Mar 22 – 8:31 PM

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    An NFC scout is not big on Jared Goff: ‘To me he’s another Jay Cutler’

    Jared Dubin

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25527291/an-nfc-scout-is-not-big-on-jared-goff-to-me-hes-another-jay-cutler

    California’s Jared Goff is considered one of the top quarterbacks available in the 2016 NFL Draft, if not No. 1. In his final season at Cal, Goff completed 64.5 percent of his passes at 8.9 yards per attempt with 43 touchdowns and 13 interceptions.

    Rob Rang and Dane Brugler wrote that “Goff displays passing anticipation downfield, a resilient approach and coordinated feet in the pocket, which are always in sync with his body rhythm and allow him to reset his vision and find the open read. He clearly has room for improvement in several areas, but Goff is the type of quarterback who understands his deficiencies and what he needs to do in order to improve. And that’s why scouts are optimistic for his future.”

    If that sounds like a fairly typical scouting report for a top prospect, that’s probably because it is. But not everyone is high on Goff. That’s unsurprising. There is pretty much never a prospect that has the unanimous support of scouts throughout the league. And so here we have an anonymous NFC scout telling NJ.com exactly how not high on Goff he really is.

    “I hope somebody takes him early, ahead of us,” the scout said. “That would be great, drop a good player to us. I’m just not crazy about him, not at all. He doesn’t win. Show me a quarterback who didn’t win in college, that did well up here? There aren’t many. To me he’s another Jay Cutler. And you can take that any way you want.”

    So, not exactly a ringing endorsement. (Why being a 10-year starter has become a pejorative, who knows, but that’s the world we’re living in, right?)

    It should be noted that Cutler ranks in the top third of all quarterbacks with 1,000-plus pass attempts in completion percentage, touchdown percentage and yards per attempt since he entered the league in 2006.

    His high turnover rate (43rd among 52 quarterbacks in interception rate), however, is the most-often cited crticism, and Goff did struggle a bit with picks in college as well. It’s probably not Goff’s fault and Goff’s fault alone that Cal was not very good the past few years — quarterbacks don’t play defense, after all — but it’s not surprising that scouts would hold that against him.

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    Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt
    One of the best pro days I’ve ever witnessed. Wentz reminds me of Joe Flacco. He had 2 55-yard passes that were as pretty as I’ve seen.

    #41053
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    Back-to-back years of strong grades put Doughty higher than most, but he’s shown accuracy to all levels of the field.

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    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/22/draft-10-crazy-good-stats-heading-into-the-nfl-scouting-combine/

    Brandon Doughty (QB, Western Kentucky) was the NCAA’s most accurate passer in 2015.

    Doughty led the nation in many categories, but the most impressive was his accuracy. No QB had a better accuracy percentage in 2015 or 2014 than Doughty’s 81.8. At the combine, Doughty will need to prove he has NFL-caliber arm strength.

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    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1765589/brandon-doughty

    BRANDON DOUGHTY, QB

    HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6-3 / 213 LBS.

    PLAYER OVERVIEW

    A three-year starter in Western Kentucky’s spread offense, Doughty left school with 111 touchdown passes (15th all-time in FBS) and was 10th all-time with a 68.6 completion percentage. Doughty was the third quarterback in FBS history with 4,000 passing yards and 40 TD passes in consecutive seasons.

    Doughty carries himself like a coach and is a never-say-die competitor. But he has an adequate arm, but relies on touch and timing over velocity and struggled to speed up his process vs. better competition on his schedule. Projects as a mid-to-late round prospect with the NFL ceiling of a backup, drawing some on-field comparisons to A.J. McCarron.

    STRENGTHS

    Stands tall and tough in the pocket. Adequate arm strength, squaring his shoulders to his targets and generating force through his hips. Shifts his weight well in the pocket with a calm shuffle to slide, reset and keep his eyes downfield. Improvises well when moved from his spot, showing much improved pocket maneuverability to regain his rhythm.
    Detailed setup and delivery (sometimes too methodical, but can speed up his process). Above average field sense, awareness and vision. Smooth release. Relies on timing and touch, allowing routes to develop and working through his progressions. High football IQ and fully immersed in the playbook.

    Not intimidated by small windows, but not shy about throwing the ball away if the throw isn’t there – short memory passer (not a “rear-view mirror” quarterback according to WKU head coach Jeff Brohm). Tough passer to blitz, understanding where his outlets are.

    Battled through adversity to work his way back from multiple knee injuries. Tireless worker preparer, especially in the film room. Highly productive and led the FBS in passing yards and touchdowns the last two seasons (first FBS quarterback to tally 97 passing touchdowns over two seasons), leaving school with almost every school passing record.

    WEAKNESSES

    Lanky body type and lacks ideal build. Average arm strength, lacking a howitzer to fire downfield strikes off-balance. Inconsistent deep ball thrower and routinely leads his receivers too far. Tape shows cracks in his foundation when pressured, not stepping into this throws or following through.

    Accurate vision, but not proficient using his eyes – bad habit of staring down targets and leading defenders to the ball. When late making his first read, he can struggle to find his second and third option in time, holding the ball too long. Too much air under his passes, not hitting his target in stride or forcing his receivers to wait at times. Pocket awareness has shown improvement, but his internal clock is still a work in progress.

    Benefited from a wide open offense with a lot of throws within seven yards of the line of scrimmage and plays after the catch. Ball security has room for improvement (13 career fumbles). Older prospect and will be a 25-year-old NFL rookie. Medicals need vetted after the ACL tear in his right knee (Sept. 2011) that held him back for two seasons.

    IN OUR VIEW: A three-year starter in Western Kentucky’s spread offense, Doughty was an ideal fit for the up-tempo scheme that relied on a quick release and smart decisions, making most of his reads pre-snap and identifying soft spots in coverage. He has improved functional pocket mobility and carries himself like a coach.

    Doughty has an adequate arm, but relies on touch and timing over velocity and struggled to speed up his process vs. better competition on his schedule. He got away with some bad habits at the college level that he won’t be able to in the NFL and although he’s very impressive when in rhythm, it’s the opposite when that rhythm is taken away.

    He projects as a mid-to-late round prospect with the NFL ceiling of a backup, drawing some on-field comparisons to A.J. McCarron.

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    WKU QB Brandon Doughty shows signs of pro potential

    Bucky Brooks

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000607022/article/wku-qb-brandon-doughty-shows-signs-of-pro-potential

    MIAMI — The lack of quality quarterbacks in the NFL forces scouts to take a long, hard look at any prospect that displays a hint of potential at the position. After watching Western Kentucky’s Brandon Doughty post gaudy numbers as the director of one of college football’s most prolific offenses, I thought I would take a trip to the Miami Beach Bowl to see if the Hilltoppers’ standout has the goods to develop into a franchise quarterback at the next level.

    Following his impressive showing (32 of 45 for 461 yards and three touchdowns) against South Florida in a 45-35 win, here are my thoughts on Doughty and his potential:

    Athleticism

    Doughty is a mobile quarterback with slightly above average athleticism. Although he is not a true dual-threat at the position, he flashes enough agility and movement skills to work the edges on sprint outs and bootlegs from the shotgun. The Hilltoppers take advantage of his mobility by featuring a number of movement-based passes in the game plan, which allows him to escape inside pressure to attack the coverage with a number of high-low concepts on the flanks. Inside the pocket, Doughty is capable of eluding and evading rushers by climbing toward the line of scrimmage or laterally sliding to the right or left to find a clear throwing lane.

    Arm talent

    Doughty has enough arm strength to attack every area of the field. Although I would rate his arm as a solid “B” on the scale, he pushes the ball down the field on vertical throws and fires intermediate routes (curls, digs and comebacks) with adequate velocity. Doughty capably fits the ball into tight windows on throws inside the numbers, but he lacks the RPMs to consistently squeeze the ball in against swift defenders keying his eyes in zone coverage. Thus, he must play with exceptional timing and anticipation against defenses featuring NFL-caliber athletes on the second level. I noticed this when I watched his performance against LSU on tape; it showed up against a very athletic South Florida team that appears to have a number of promising athletes in the back end.

    From an accuracy standpoint, Doughty was on-point delivering the ball between the strike zone on short routes, particularly on “now” and tunnel screens at the line of scrimmage. Additionally, he showed adequate ball placement on intermediate throws (curls and comebacks) from the numbers to the boundary. This is an important aspect in the evaluation for teams employing a version of the West Coast offense with quick-rhythm ball-control routes. Doughty delivered a dart to Nicholas Norris on a dig route that resulted in a 69-yard touchdown. The pinpoint throw not only showcased Doughty’s anticipation and timing as a quick-rhythm thrower, but he showed scouts he could fit the ball into a tight window between the hashes. Although Doughty had a few intermediate passes knocked down by fast-closing defenders, he certainly has enough arm strength to throw most of the staple passes featured in most NFL playbooks.

    On deep balls, Doughty is a little erratic with his ball placement and touch (high and outside). He repeatedly misfired on vertical throws in the first half, including a wide-open post route on a flea flicker in the first quarter. While Doughty eventually connected on a post route on a flea flicker in the second quarter, Doughty’s inconsistent deep-ball accuracy stood out in the first half. In the third quarter, Doughty finally settled in and looked like the red-hot passer that’s created a buzz in league circles. He opened the third quarter with a pinpoint pass on a seam route down the boundary to Norris for a 55-yard score that looked straight off a coaches’ clinic highlight reel. He later connected on another flea flicker along the boundary that showcased his touch, anticipation and ball placement. Although Doughty threw the deep ball better in the second half of the Miami Beach Bowl, his inconsistent accuracy and ball placement on a dozen deep-ball attempts will lead some evaluators to question his ability to thrive in a vertical-based offense.

    Pocket poise

    Elite quarterback prospects must be able to thrive in the midst of chaos within the pocket. This is one of the biggest factors scouts must discover during the quarterback evaluation. Looking at Doughty on tape, I thought he displayed good poise and patience in the pocket. He didn’t look to flee the pocket at the first sign of pressure; he showed courage by repeatedly delivering the ball with rushers in close proximity. Against South Florida, Doughty showed toughness and resiliency standing tall in the pocket, but I was miffed by his inability to feel free rushers coming off the edge. He took a few sacks (and unnecessary hits) in the pocket by not anticipating the extra rushers off the corner. Granted, defensive coordinators can make it tough to decipher which defenders are rushing, but Doughty’s lack of blitz awareness will need further investigation from evaluators.

    Football intelligence

    Doughty shows good football intelligence and situational awareness. He has a keen understanding of his scheme, as evidenced by his ability to get to his second and third read in the progression. Doughty will quickly dump the ball off to his backs on swing passes when the coverage blankets his primary receiver. This is critical to sustaining drives at the next level, which is why coaches will give Doughty positive marks for his overall intelligence.

    In regard to Doughty’s situational awareness, I was impressed with his ability to execute a two-minute drill at the end of the first half. He quickly moved his offense down the field, but wasn’t overwhelmed by the moment. He wisely used a “spike” to stop the clock in the closing seconds to ensure his team walked away with a field goal at the end of the half.

    With most NFL games decided by seven points or fewer, Doughty’s execution in critical situations will make him an attractive prospect in some circles.

    Clutch factor

    Quarterbacks from non-Power 5 schools must take advantage of their opportunities on the biggest and brightest stages to convince NFL scouts they are capable of playing with the big boys at the next level. Doughty has compiled quite an impressive resume during his time at Western Kentucky, including a number of single-season and career marks for passing yards and touchdowns. However, scouts will dig into the tape to see how he performed against the top competition on the Hilltoppers’ schedule. Prior to the Miami Beach Bowl, I had some concerns about Doughty’s ability to perform against defenses with ultra-athletic defenders based on his disappointing play against LSU this season. Doughty not only struggled with his accuracy and ball placement in that contest, but he had a number of balls tipped and deflected at the line. He couldn’t find clear throwing lanes against the Tigers’ athletic rushers and his inability to navigate through the trees was an issue.

    Thus, I thought it was important for Doughty to carve up a South Florida defense that was loaded with speedy defenders in the back end. For most of the first half, Doughty struggled finding his rhythm as a drop-back passer. While his numbers were solid (21 of 30 for 221 yards), he misfired on a number of intermediate throws that were considered “lay ups” in the Hilltoppers’ offense. Doughty repeatedly missed high and outside on tightly contested routes, leading to a number of tips and deflections in the secondary. In addition, he also delivered the ball late on a few curls and comebacks, which allowed the Bulls’ defensive backs to bat the ball away from the intended receivers.

    In the second half, I was impressed with how quickly Doughty made adjustments and attacked the Bulls’ secondary. He wasted little time exploiting the vulnerable areas of the Bulls’ coverage, leading to a 28-point third quarter on the strength of his impressive play from the pocket. Although he wasn’t completely flawless in the second half, I walked away convinced that Doughty’s guts, moxie and resiliency would give him a chance to succeed as a pro.

    Conclusion

    It is hard to find quarterbacks with the arm talent, football intelligence and confidence to develop into quality starters in the NFL. Thus, quarterbacks with any hint of potential deserve strong consideration in the draft. After taking a long, hard look at Doughty on tape and in person, I believe he is an intriguing developmental prospect with the potential to develop into a quality starter down the road. I believe he is best suited to play in a quick-rhythm offense that features a number of short and intermediate throws on the menu designed to take advantage of his quick release and superb decision-making skills. If I had to compare him to a current player, I would cite Ryan Fitzpatrick based on their similar skills as systematic playmakers. It might take a couple of years for him to develop into a capable starter, but he certainly possesses enough tools to warrant consideration as a borderline Day 2 (Rounds 2-3) prospect in the 2016 class.

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    NFL teams not liking what they hear from Christian Hackenberg

    Michael David Smith

    NFL teams not liking what they hear from Christian Hackenberg

    Penn State’s Christian Hackenberg is unusual among quarterback prospects in the NFL draft in that his best season was his freshman season: That year he showed great potential playing for coach Bill O’Brien, but when O’Brien left to coach the Texans, Hackenberg struggled mightily as a sophomore under new coach James Franklin, and only improved slightly in his junior year before leaving school early to turn pro.

    Given that history, it’s not surprising that Hackenberg thinks the departure of O’Brien and arrival of Franklin hurt his college career. What is surprising is that Hackenberg turned off NFL teams in private interviews by blaming his problems on Franklin and the Penn State staff.

    Two personnel sources on two separate NFL teams told Robert Klemko of TheMMQB.com that Hackenberg said all the wrong things in interviews. Specifically, Hackenberg blamed Franklin when asked what went wrong.

    “Despite the fact that it’s probably true, you don’t want to hear a kid say that,” a personnel source on one team said.

    As in any job interview, there’s a right way and a wrong way to talk about yourself when you’re a player talking to NFL teams. If Hackenberg says, “I committed to Penn State because I thought Coach O’Brien’s offense would be perfect for me, and after he left I didn’t do a good enough job of adapting to the new offense,” NFL teams aren’t going to have a problem with that. If Hackenberg says, “Coach Franklin didn’t do a good enough job of adapting his offense to me,” NFL teams are going to have a problem with that.

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    from off the net

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    Rams Junkie

    I saw a bit about Lynch. on Path to the Draft. From my perspective he came across as a sort of a goofy but likable character. He made me think of Marino’s personality when he was drafted. Lynch was asked about his first football memory and he said it was when he shaved the #20 in his head because that was his number. So maybe he is not your prototypical leader but I would guess he would be a guy teammates would like. With Gruden he talked about players being his brothers and that he loved the guys. Lynch mentioned his size (6’6.5 245lbs) and athleticism as his strengths. He mentioned watching Cam Newton as he is a QB with a large frame and athleticism.

    Casserly was asked about what he thought about where Lynch would be drafted. Casserly said it would be to the Rams at 15 which was the high point and the lowest would be Denver. He said KC at pick number 28 has interest. Casserly said Denver might want to trade up to prevent someone else from jumping in front of them. Casserly said he could easily see a team trading back into the first round to get Lynch.

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    Agamemnon

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    nice big hands. i read earlier that his hands measured at 11 inches. but nfl.com lists them as 10 1/4″.

    i’m starting to warm up to the idea of the rams drafting him in the first round. a big strong armed qb who can run a little.

    i’d even be happy if they drafted doctson. there should be plenty of options there.

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    This MMQB article by Robert Klemko is good.

    The Coaching Perspective of the Draft’s Top Quarterbacks

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch

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    This MMQB article by Robert Klemko is good.

    The Coaching Perspective of the Draft’s Top Quarterbacks

    The Coaching Perspective of the Draft’s Top Quarterbacks

    There’s only so much to be learned watching a player on tape. To better understand Jared Goff, Carson Wentz and Paxton Lynch, NFL personnel men and scouts are asking their college coaches how much responsibility each QB had in the offense. Here’s what they’re hearing, plus more notes

    Robert Klemko

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/23/nfl-draft-carson-wentz-jared-goff-paxton-lynch

    BERKELEY, Calif. — It was the funniest scene of the pro day circuit.
    There was Cal quarterback Jared Goff, tossing a few extra passes at the end of his much ballyhooed workout, and there was Browns quarterbacks coach Pep Hamilton spraying water on Goff’s 9 and 1/8-inch hands, doing his best to simulate November conditions in Cleveland on a sunny day in NorCal.
    Goff did fine with wet hands, but did it matter? Did he prove anything? The real evaluation happens behind closed doors, in interviews with Cal coach Sonny Dykes and his staff, and phone calls to coaches who worked with Goff and have since departed.

    Tony Franklin, the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Middle Tennessee State, has fielded inquiries from four teams digging into Goff’s history. The former Cal coordinator for all of Goff’s time at Berkeley says not one NFL scout, coach or team executive has asked him about Goff’s ability to secure the football with his hands, which are below-average in size for an NFL quarterback. They wanted to know how he studied, how he led and how he practiced.

    But mainly, they want to talk football. Specifically, teams interested in quarterbacks want to know from college coaches exactly how much responsibility a prospect was afforded in an offense. It’s an underrated predictor of success for quarterbacks asked to start on Day 1. Experience in a pro-style offense is one thing; mastery of that offense is another.
    Below you’ll hear from three coaches who worked closely with the top three quarterbacks available in the 2016 draft—Jared Goff, Carson Wentz and Paxton Lynch (in no particular order). Each have been interviewed at length by NFL scouts, whose inquiries often reveal their team’s biggest concerns about each passer as he enters the league.

    THE QB: Jared Goff, Cal
    THE COACH: Tony Franklin, offensive coordinator, Middle Tennessee
    OFFENSE: Bear Raid

    Franklin, 58, ran a perennial Top 10 offense at Cal for three seasons under Dykes before returning to Middle Tennessee, where he was the offensive coordinator in 2009. Franklin says the biggest misconception he’s had to address is the complexity of the Bear Raid offense, a branch off the Air Raid offense developed in the late 80’s by Hal Mumme and Mike Leach, which many football types believe affords the quarterback little opportunity to make pre-snap judgment calls. They couldn’t be more wrong, Franklin says.
    “People think because we’re in this Air Raid family that there’s one or two progressions for the quarterback, which is really an insult because it’s nowhere near the truth,” Franklin says. “We give the quarterback an incredible amount of responsibility and (Goff) got more than any quarterback since I’ve been coaching.

    “He probably had more on his shoulders before the snap than any quarterback in the NFL.”

    Under Franklin, Goff had the ability to choose between the called run play and an alternate pass play, and vice versa, based on the alignment of the defense. Goff had the ability to audible individual routes on pass plays, and Franklin estimates he adjusted the protection scheme on about 10% of passing plays.

    “He probably had more on his shoulders before the snap than any quarterback in the NFL,” a former Cal coach says of Goff.

    Says Franklin: “The longer last season went on he started doing it more because I think he was tired of getting hit in the mouth.”

    And while coaches declined to press Franklin on Goff’s 23 career fumbles (he had just four in 2015), they did want to know about the quarterback’s frame and ability to take hits (despite the fact he started 37 of 37 games). At 6-4 and 205 pounds, Goff is the leanest of the draft’s top five quarterbacks by about 15 pounds. Franklin says there’s a good reason for that: During his time at Cal, the coach put little emphasis on weight training for quarterbacks.

    “You have to look at where he was and where he is,” Franklin says. “He probably weighed about 178 when he walked in the door. He was a pencil.
    “I had a very limited quarterback workout; we called it the Drew Brees workout after learning about his shoulder surgery rehab. There was very little upper body weight training. I think that’s something he’ll get more into. Two years from now he’ll be 230 pounds.”

    Aside from the physical and mental traits, scouts pressed Franklin on Goff’s leadership ability. Do his teammates like him? Goff came to Cal in 2013 as a four-star recruit out of nearby Kentfield, Calif., and was promptly handed the reins to the offense. “He was the golden boy, and he got more press than anybody from the beginning. He very easily could’ve been disliked by his teammates, but they voted him captain sophomore year.”

    THE QB: Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
    THE COACH: Tim Polasek, offensive coordinator, NDSU
    OFFENSE: Multi-spread

    Polasek, 36, returned to North Dakota State to lead the offense in 2014 after a short stint at Northern Illinois. Carson Wentz passed for 3,111 yards and 25 touchdowns with 10 interceptions in his first season as a starter in 2014, utilizing vertical passing concepts popular in pro football and foreign to many college spread offenses.

    During the pre-draft process, Polasek was quizzed on Wentz’s mastery of the offense and his pre-snap responsibilities. Like Goff, Wentz had the ability in an injury-shortened 2015 season to check to a prescribed run or pass play with an additional check the coaches simply called “Carson.” If Wentz recognized a trouble situation, he could spout any play in the book. Additionally, Wentz was required to call out the protection on every pass play, a job for most NFL centers.

    “The NFL people have been blown away with what he’s had to handle protection wise,” Polasek says. “The quarterbacks he’s being compared to are not necessarily allowed to make checks or the right protection call. There’s going to be multiple times in a game where he checks from run to pass. He’s got situations that he has to get us out of otherwise I look really bad as a play-caller.”

    However, the most popular questions Polasek faced concerned the level of competition: How good is the FCS, really? What has this kid really been exposed to?

    NDSU has won the last five FCS titles and has never had a losing season, and they currently boast five active NFL players, including Jets cornerback Marcus Williams, who picked off six passes in 2015. The same cannot be said for conference opponents like Missouri State and Southern Illinois. NDSU coaches have been using variations of the same anecdote to defend the level of play: Wentz schooled the best defense in the FCS on a daily basis in practice.

    “He torched our defense in practice since he walked on campus,” Polasek says. “The corner he picked on when he was a redshirt freshman was Marcus Williams.”

    From a physical standpoint, at 6-5, 237, Wentz checks all the boxes, but scouts have wondered about his mechanics. Several have noted Wentz’s tendency to hold the ball longer than necessary or hold the ball for a split-second too long when the open man appears.

    Says Polasek: “Can he play faster? Yes. And I think he’s ready for that. There are so many times when he was like, can we make that five steps instead of seven?”

    The truly thorough NFL teams, including one whose entire offensive staff has already worked out Wentz privately in Fargo in advance of his pro day today, have quizzed Polasek on Wentz’s character. Can he really be the consummate leader he’s being described as?

    “They say, guys, there’s got to be something with his character. This guy can’t be perfect. But those questions have gone away,” Polasek says. “Carson does his best work while we’re not watching, and he’s not a nightlife guy. This is a kid who would be in his truck by 4 p.m. on Saturday and go hunt geese all weekend, and be in the office by 7 a.m. Monday morning and still get a 4.0 GPA.”
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    THE QB: Paxton Lynch, Memphis
    THE COACH: Darrell Dickey, assistant head coach, Memphis
    OFFENSE: Spread

    Dickey, 56, accompanied Justin Fuente to Memphis in 2012, adopting the head coach’s TCU spread offense which fueled much of Andy Dalton’s success there. Lynch, a three-star recruit out of Deltona, Fla., in 2012, earned the starting job in 2013, displacing a popular senior quarterback.
    Lynch struggled in his first season, passing for 2,056 yards in 12 games with nine touchdowns and 10 interceptions. But scouts particularly have been interested in how Lynch handled the transition off the field, with media and fans questioning Fuente’s decision and Lynch’s bonafides.

    “There was a QB controversy, not so much on the team but with media and fans,” Dickey says. “And he just kept his head up and worked. When he had bad games, he responded like any other freshman. He got a little down in the dumps, but he would bounce right back. He handled it really well.”
    “After Wentz and Goff,” says one NFL scout, “this is a great backup quarterback draft.”

    Physically, the 6-7 Lynch has had his athleticism questioned. In addition to rushing for 687 yards and 17 touchdowns in three seasons, he ran a 4.86 40-yard dash and jumped 36 inches at the combine.

    “When you have a 6-7 quarterback I think a lot of people go into the scouting process assuming the guy is a stiff, un-athletic, awkward, clumsy, pocket quarterback, but the opposite is true with Paxton,” Dickey says. “He was an excellent high school basketball player. I think what teams are finding out is that he’s a great athlete.”

    One of the biggest reasons Lynch is considered in the second-tier of available quarterbacks—below Goff and Wentz, but above Christian Hackenberg and Connor Cook—is his limited experience with pro-style concepts and a lack of responsibility in the Memphis offense. Said one scout: “After Wentz and Goff, this is a great backup quarterback draft.”

    Of the top three QBs, Lynch had by far the least responsibility in his offense, where plays are called in from the sideline without much room for interpretation.

    “We didn’t do a whole lot of checking at the line of scrimmage, no reading blitzes and making protection adjustments, but he’s very capable of doing that,” Dickey says. “He could give a receiver a different route, but he didn’t have the freedom to do whatever he wanted.”

    Paxton Lynch’s passer rating vs. ranked teams in 2015 was better than Michigan State’s Connor Cook (107.23), Penn State’s Hackenberg (106.18) and even Cal’s Jared Goff (104.24). Lynch’s 66.9 completion percentage against the three ranked opponents Memphis met this season also dwarfs the previously mentioned passers.

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    QB guru says Michigan State ‘jet fighter pilot’ Connor Cook top gun among QBs
    http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2016/03/qb_guru_says_jet_fighter_pilot.html
    Michigan State quarterback Connor Cook has seen his stock rise after strong performances at the NFL combine last month and Michigan State’s Pro Day last Wednesday.

    Mike Griffith | mgriffith@mlive.com
    on March 21, 2016 at 7:41 AM, updated March 21, 2016 at 10:54 AM

    EAST LANSING — Quarterback trainer and expert George Whitfield likens Michigan State’s Connor Cook to a jet fighter pilot, the way the 2015 Big Ten Quarterback of the Year was able to command and control the Spartan’s complex offense.

    Whitfield said that experience and success in MSU’s pro-style offense is why he believes Cook is the best outgoing collegiate quarterback in the nation.

    “He’s everything that you want — tough, a leader, highly intelligent, a gamer,” said Whitfield, who has trained Cook the past three offseasons. “You go through the litany of things you are asked to do, be consistent, make all your throws and enhance the guys around you, and I think he’s done that over the span of the three years he’s played there.”

    Cook’s draft stock has been a topic of debate, but most recently, his stock is on the rise.

    Cook enjoyed a strong Pro Day outing last week, completing 59 of his 67 scripted throws with Whitfield in attendance and taking part, often waving his trademark broom at the quarterback’s feet to prompt game-like, pocket movement.

    NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock was also at the Duffy Daugherty Football Building to watch the Spartans audition, and he was impressed with Cook’s arm.

    “From Connor Cook’s perspective, what I liked the most was his deep ball accuracy,” Mayock said in his NFL.com report. “I thought he threw the ball extremely well, he did a good job in the middle of the field. A lot of scouts wanted to know whether or not he could drive the ball.
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    “He’s got a good arm, strong, and today forget all about the 60 percent accuracy, today he thew the ball with tremendous accuracy.”

    The Denver Broncos’ team media site recently profiled Cook in a video, as he’s believed to be one of the players the franchise would consider selecting in the upcoming NFL draft.

    “I’ve done a lot of stuff from under center,” said Cook, who met with the Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday. “I’ve done the five-step drops, I’ve done the seven-step drops, naked play-action pass rollouts, just being able to operate from the pocket, being able to get the ball under center., and just our concepts make me the most ready.”

    That experience, Whitfield explained on The Spartan Beat radio show on Lansing’s 92.1 FM, The Team, is what separates Cook from the other quarterbacks.

    “I equate it like this: NFL offenses, they are much like fighter jets … and most college systems, they all have aircraft, every offense you see is basically looked at like an aircraft, and most systems are like helicopters,” Whitfield said. “You can be a helicopter pilot and be a great one, but when you get out of that helicopter and try to make it to the NFL, you have to learn all over again because very few things translate.

    “You have to learn they take off different, they land different, they are just different. Connor and a few other quarterbacks in schools in college football are flying fighter jets — playing under center, reading more than one receiver at a time or reading the full field.”

    Whitfield said quarterbacks coming out of spread offenses — and he has worked with several — operate more simplified systems that require fewer skills.

    “Sometimes they have automatics, meaning before the ball even comes to me in the shot gun, I know the exact person I’m throwing to and there really is no determining factors, I’m going to him automatically,” Whitfield said. “He could be behind the line of scrimmage, he could be downfield, he could be over the ball, no matter what, it’s an automatic, the play is built for that.

    “Pro-style systems, they are dictated by what the defense does, that’s what makes them all so hard to stop. So Connor is reading downfield as he’s dropping back, (and) if a linebacker steps a certain direction or if a safety does a certain thing, they are put into a bind, because he’ll read that and do the opposite thing with the football. That’s what happens in the NFL.”

    NFL quarterbacks Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, EJ Manuel, Johnny Manziel, Bryce Petty and Jameis Winston are among the alumni of Whitfield’s San Diego quarterback and training academy.

    Cook has most recently been projected to go 20th overall in the first round to the New York Jets.

    Coach Mark Dantonio vouched for Cook’s leadership and work ethic, comparing Michigan State’s all-time leading passer to other Spartan QBs currently in the NFL that he coached — Kirk Cousins and Brian Hoyer.

    Dantonio said he never anticipated that Cook not being one of the only three permanent captains selected off the 12-person leadership committee would create such a stir.

    “I’m concentrated on getting our football team ready to play and doing what I’ve got to do for our football team to win games, so I lose sight of maybe things down the line a little bit, like everybody would,” Dantonio said. “I didn’t think it would cause this type of situation.

    “Everyone needs to understand we won 43 games with these seniors, (and) there’s a lot of guys in the locker room that lead. There’s a lot of guys that have relationships with a lot of our players, so we had a very, very strong senior class.”

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    Windsor: Cook not NFL ready, but QB wants to develop
    Shawn Windsor, Detroit Free Press 1:27 a.m. EST December 30, 2014
    NCAA Football: Michigan State at Penn State

    http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2014/12/30/michigan-state-spartans-football-connor-cook/21036819/
    DALLAS – It’s the simple things that Connor Cook needs to work on. At least it looks that way from the surface.

    Quit taking as many chances. Dump the ball to the nearby tailback. Move on to the next down.

    The Michigan State quarterback hears the refrain over and over from his coaches these days. The moment he figures out how to apply the strategy will be the moment he becomes a top 15 NFL draft pick.

    He is that talented.

    And he knows it, just as his coaches know it.

    Getting there is not as simple as it seems. The inclination to dump the ball under duress gets overwhelmed by Cook’s inner gunslinger. He has got a big arm and a dude-bro mentality that often squashes the check down voice.

    That swagger salvages a lot of busted plays and creates chunks of yardage from chaos. It also gets him in trouble.

    “Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t,” said Dave Warner, MSU’s co-offensive coordinator, “but certainly we are always trying to get him to be a little bit more disciplined in his progression.”

    Finding that balance is the last step in Cook’s maturation as a quarterback. Do that, said Warner, “and the sky is the limit. He is extremely accurate. He throws the ball effortlessly.”

    He can sense and escape from pressure. He is fearless in the pocket. He is developing into a leader.

    Perhaps not the traditional leader who commands an entire locker room, but a workaholic and burgeoning perfectionist who is learning how to develop chemistry with his teammates.

    Cook has completed 188 of 323 passes for 2,900 yards and 22 touchdowns with season with six interceptions. He has an efficiency rating of 152.4.

    Cook, his skill players and the line that blocks for all of them produced the best offense in school history this season. That line will only get better next fall.

    The talent and savvy up front is one of the reasons Cook wants to return for his senior year. Left tackle Jack Conklin will lead a group dotted with future pros. Cook is grateful to play behind them and deferential to their collective skill.

    He is also relieved that his quarterback coach, Brad Salem, will be back next season, too.

    “I think out of all the coaches I’ve ever had playing the game … besides (a little league coach in fourth grade), I would easily say Coach Salem is easily my favorite coach. He’s like a father figure a little bit.”

    Salem got interest from Vanderbilt to become its offensive coordinator, but Cook said he isn’t worry about him leaving. That relationship is crucial for Cook’s continued development.

    Yet it’s the relationship with his receivers that truly changed the passing game this year. That began in the summer, when he and Tony Lippett gathered the quarterbacks and pass catchers on the roster for daily workouts at the team’s practice facility. They practiced timing and throwing and catching. They designed scramble drills to approximate the fallout of a busted pocket and play.

    Cook would get rushed, roll out and try to find Lippett down the field, who, in turn, was trying to find him. Warner said he saw the fruit of all that preparation early in the season when Cook and the receivers kept making plays off the script.

    “They went above and beyond what I think a normal quarterback-receiver program is in the summer,” Warner said. “They spent extra time together. It wasn’t just (about) running routes, but talking to each other.”

    The rest of the crew fed off their relationship. Cook intends to do the same thing this off-season, and identify the receiver who can take Lippett’s place.

    He also intends to improve his decision-making, to take that final leap that will secure his shot at the next level. In the NFL, quarterbacks must quickly identify the receiver who is getting single coverage as the defense tilts toward so many other places.

    This is why the check down is crucial at that level, and why it is for MSU’s pro-style offense, too.

    “If his main target is not open, he’s got to progress through his 2-3-4 options,” Warner said.

    Sometimes that fourth option is the tailback leaking out of the backfield. It may only lead to a 3-yard gain, but it also leads safely to the next down.

    “We talk about that all the time,” said Warner, “and to his credit, he keeps working on it.”

    Just as Cook has worked on developing chemistry, he has worked on his ability to change protection coverage at the line before the snap. That growth allowed Warner and Jim Bollman to be more aggressive and efficient this season.

    Now they’d like to see him fine-tune the decision-making after the snap. Cook wants to see himself do this, too.

    Self-awareness is a pretty good thing.

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    Canadaram found a good article on Wentz, Goff, and Lynch. I added some Cook stuff, too, cause I am fine with the Rams drafting Cook or one of the other three QBs at 15.

    I don’t think it is a given, that there is a lot of difference between the top 4 QBs.

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