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December 17, 2024 at 12:50 pm #153996
znModeratorCurrent NFC Playoff Picture:
1. Lions (12-2)
2. Eagles (12-2)
3. Buccaneers (8-6)
4. Rams (8-6)
5. Vikings (12-2)
6. Packers (10-4)
7. Commanders (9-5)In the hunt: Seahawks (8-6), Falcons, Cardinals (7-7)
— NFL Stats (@NFL_Stats) December 17, 2024
December 17, 2024 at 2:02 pm #153998
ZooeyModeratorI’d like the Rams to get the Lions, Vikings, or Commanders first. The Eagles, Bucs, and Packers scare me more. But no matter what, at this point, I don’t see the Rams winning more than one playoff game. I think they can beat anybody. But I don’t think they can beat two teams, let alone three or four of these teams in a row.
December 21, 2024 at 10:50 am #154069znModeratorHow many teams get a bye in the NFL playoffs? Full 2024 postseason format
USA TODAY
Week 15 of the NFL season is here, and four teams have already clinched playoff spots. The Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs are locked into the playoffs with division titles. In the NFC, the Detroit Lions and Philadelphia Eagles have clinched playoff spots and will at least be wild card teams. Only seven teams have been eliminated from playoff contention with four weeks to go.
That means 10 of the 14 playoff spots are still in contention for 25 teams. There’s also the matter of seeding. Depending on how teams finish the regular season, a couple could earn a bye during Super Wild Card weekend.
How many NFL teams earn a bye in the playoffs?
Two teams will have the first round off in the playoffs: the No. 1 seeds in each conference. Those two are the only teams out of the field of 14 who will have a week off.
Under the previous playoff format, the No. 1 and No. 2 seeds in each conference got a bye in the first round of the playoffs. That changed with the expanded playoff first instituted in the 2020 NFL season.
NFL playoff format
Wild card round
No. 1 seed has a bye.
No. 7 seed at No. 2 seed
No. 6 seed at No. 3 seed
No. 5 seed at No. 4 seedDivisional round
Lowest remaining seed at No. 1 seed
Second-lowest remaining seed at second-highest remaining seed
Conference championshipDivisional round winners, hosted by higher seed
Super BowlConference championship winners
NFL playoff dates
Wild card round: Saturday, Jan. 11 to Monday, Jan. 13, 2025
Divisional round: Saturday, Jan. 18 to Sunday, Jan. 19, 2025
Conference championship: Sunday, Jan. 26, 2025
Super Bowl: Sunday, Feb. 9, 2025Where is the Super Bowl this year?
Super Bowl LIX will be played at the Caesars Superdome in New Orleans. This will be the eighth Super Bowl in the stadium that is home to the New Orleans Saints.
December 22, 2024 at 4:52 pm #154089znModeratorARZ lost to Panthers today.
December 22, 2024 at 11:51 pm #154126znModeratorStu Jackson@StuJRams
Bucs’ loss to the Cowboys moves the Rams into the No. 3 seed in the NFC playoff picture entering Week 17December 23, 2024 at 7:30 am #154136
wvParticipantSo, as of today, the rams would play the Packers?
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vDecember 23, 2024 at 8:13 am #154137
canadaramParticipantSo, as of today, the rams would play the Packers?
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vStafford will have to use a silent count at home if that ends up coming to fruition.
December 23, 2024 at 9:49 am #154139ZooeyModeratorSo, as of today, the rams would play the Packers?
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vI’d prefer that some other team try to catch the Packers on a bad day.
December 24, 2024 at 9:09 pm #154184znModeratorAndrew Siciliano@AndrewSiciliano
Only ONE of the 9 teams to already qualify for the @NFL Playoffs didn’t make it a year ago (MIN).We’ve gone 34 straight years with at least four “new” playoff teams.
If the Rams, Buccaneers, and Dolphins all make it… that streak is in jeopardy.
December 25, 2024 at 7:01 am #154188
nittany ramModeratorThe Rams can clinch this week if:
1. The Rams win and Seattle loses or ties.
2. The Rams win plus 4 of the following 6 teams win this week (Strength of Victory tiebreaker):
Vikings, Bills, 49’ers, Commanders, Bengals, Browns3. The Rams tie and Seattle loses.
December 25, 2024 at 9:57 am #154189znModeratorThe Rams can clinch this week if:
1. The Rams win and Seattle loses or ties.
2. The Rams win plus 4 of the following 6 teams win this week (Strength of Victory tiebreaker):
Vikings, Bills, 49’ers, Commanders, Bengals, Browns3. The Rams tie and Seattle loses.
𝐁𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐭 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐋𝐀@BuiltForLA
I was under the impression that a Rams win would secure the division by itself.Is that not accurate?Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Not accurate. Need a little bit more than just a Rams win to secure the divisionRams House Official YT@RamsHouseOffic1
What does sov mean?Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Strength of Victory. Combined win total of all the teams you’ve beatenJustin@JLrams7
So rams need 4 of those 6 teams on option 2 to win ?Stu Jackson@StuJRams
CorrectDecember 25, 2024 at 1:51 pm #154196nittany ramModeratorThe Rams can clinch this week if:
1. The Rams win and Seattle loses or ties.
2. The Rams win plus 4 of the following 6 teams win this week (Strength of Victory tiebreaker):
Vikings, Bills, 49’ers, Commanders, Bengals, Browns3. The Rams tie and Seattle loses.
𝐁𝐮𝐢𝐥𝐭 𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐋𝐀@BuiltForLA
I was under the impression that a Rams win would secure the division by itself.Is that not accurate?Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Not accurate. Need a little bit more than just a Rams win to secure the divisionRams House Official YT@RamsHouseOffic1
What does sov mean?Stu Jackson@StuJRams
Strength of Victory. Combined win total of all the teams you’ve beatenJustin@JLrams7
So rams need 4 of those 6 teams on option 2 to win ?Stu Jackson@StuJRams
CorrectThree of those six teams are favored to win (Bengals, Bills, Commanders).
Obviously the 9’ers have no chance to beat Detroit, so that’s a dead end.
But the Vikings could beat the Packers at home, and the Browns have a chance against the Dolphins only because the game is taking place in Cleveland. Miami hasn’t played well in the cold.
December 25, 2024 at 7:58 pm #154207znModeratorThree of those six teams are favored to win (Bengals, Bills, Commanders).
Obviously the 9’ers have no chance to beat Detroit, so that’s a dead end.
But the Vikings could beat the Packers at home, and the Browns have a chance against the Dolphins only because the game is taking place in Cleveland. Miami hasn’t played well in the cold.
Checklist! The key teams, ie. the ones that we need to win, are bolded.
*Saturday
Broncos at Bengals, 4:30 et
*Sunday
Jets at Bills, 1 et
Dolphins at Browns, 4:05 et
Packers at Vikings, 4:05 et
Falcons at Commanders, 8:20 et
*Monday
Lions at 49ers, 8:15 et
December 27, 2024 at 2:09 am #154231znModeratorWhat Seahawks’ Thursday Night Football win over Bears means for Rams’ clinching scenarios in Week 17
Stu Jackson
The Rams’ path to clinching the NFC West and a playoff berth in Week 17 became slightly more complicated with the Seahawks’ 6-3 Thursday Night Football win over the Bears.
Essentially, Los Angeles needs a win over the Arizona Cardinals on Saturday, and some help with wins from 4 of 6 other teams playing this weekend in order to clinch via winning the Strength of Victory tiebreaker over Seattle.
What clinching scenarios remain in play for the Rams in Week 17?
The Rams need a win over the Cardinals on Saturday, and also need to win the Strength of Victory tiebreaker over the Seahawks via 4 wins from any of these teams this week: Bengals, Commanders, Bills, 49ers, Vikings and Browns.
Each of those six teams are at home this weekend.
What is Strength of Victory?
Strength of Victory is the combined record of all opponents a team has beaten, and serves as the fifth step in NFL tiebreaking procedures between two teams. Because the records of those defeated opponents can change over the course of the season, so too can a team’s Strength of Victory.
The Rams’ is currently .449 with 61 wins:
49ers (6-9)
Raiders (3-12)
Vikings (13-2)
Seahawks (9-7)
Patriots (3-12)
Saints (5-10)
Bills (12-3)
49ers (6-9)
Jets (4-11)So, 61 wins out of 136 total games played by those teams beaten = .449. The Seahawks’ ninth win tonight counted toward that.
The Seahawks’ is currently .404 with 55 wins:
Broncos (9-6)
Patriots (3-12)
Dolphins (7-8)
Falcons (8-7)
49ers (6-9)
Cardinals (7-8)
Jets (4-11)
Cardinals (7-8)
Bears (4-12)So, 55 wins out of 136 total games played by those teams beaten = .404.
Why do the Bengals, Commanders, Bills, 49ers, Vikings and Browns’ games matter to the Rams and the Strength of Victory tiebreaker?
In short, the Rams need more of the teams they’ve defeated and the Seahawks haven’t to win, or the teams the Seahawks have defeated and the Rams haven’t to lose.
Mapped out further:
The Bengals face the Broncos (1:30 p.m. PT Saturday, NFL Network). A Bengals win prevents a Broncos win from being added to, and therefore improving, the Seahawks’ Strength of Victory.
The Commanders face the Falcons (5:20 p.m. PT Sunday, NBC). A Commanders win prevents a Falcons win from being added to the Seahawks’ Strength of Victory.
The Bills face the Jets (10 a.m. PT Sunday, CBS). A Bills win prevents a Jets win from being added to the Rams’ and the Seahawks’ Strength of Victory, which is still a positive outcome for the Rams.
The 49ers face the Lions (5:15 p.m. PT Monday, ESPN). Similar to Bills-Jets, a 49ers win prevent effectively cancels out the effect it would have on the Rams and the Seahawks’ Strength of Victory, which is still a positive outcome for the Rams.
The Vikings face the Packers (1:25 p.m. PT Sunday, FOX). A Vikings win helps boost the Rams’ Strength of Victory.
The Browns face the Dolphins (1:05 p.m. PT Sunday, CBS). A Browns win prevents a Dolphins win from being added to the Seahawks’ Strength of Victory.
December 27, 2024 at 11:45 am #154235
joemadParticipantStu Jackson needs to do a better job of simplifying these scenarios..
WTF does this mean? “”””””The Bengals face the Broncos (1:30 p.m. PT Saturday, NFL Network). A Bengals win prevents a Broncos win from being added to, and therefore improving, the Seahawks’ Strength of Victory.”””
Please validate if the following below is true and correct:
The Rams needs the following events to happen to clinch this weekend
Rams need to beat Cardinals
Bengals need to beat Broncos
Commanders need to beat Falcons
Bills need to beat Jets
Does the SF / Lions game matter? If so what needs to happen in this game for the Rams to clinch?
Vikings need to beat Packers
Browns need to beat Miami.I’ve read other scenarios that the SF / Lions game; the Browns / Miami are irrelevant to the Rams clinching a spot this weekend.
BTW; Did any of you folks watch the Chicago / Seahawks game? Chicago’s offense is ridiculous and their QB stinks… how in the hell did the Rams lose to the Bears back in September by a score of 18-24?
December 27, 2024 at 12:29 pm #154236ZooeyModeratorI didn’t see the Rams/Bears game, but I saw last night, and I wondered the same thing.
As far as clinching goes, I don’t think that 4 of them win. So hold the celebration for another week.
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December 27, 2024 at 1:14 pm #154238znModeratorhow in the hell did the Rams lose to the Bears back in September by a score of 18-24?
That was in the Rams pre-bye “OL wreckage” phase plus with both Nacua and Kupp out, and the Bears offense had not yet been worn down to demoralized mess it is now. Back then, Bears were actually 4-2 at their bye (in week 7)
In the Rams/Bears game, the pressure threw Stafford off his game. He threw an INT and lost a fumble inside the Rams own 20.
By now the Bears are all Hiroshima-ed out. Wms has been sacked 67 times in 16 games. To drive the comparison or rather contrast home, since the bye Stafford has been sacked 14 times in 10 games.
December 27, 2024 at 5:34 pm #154240joemadParticipantStafford got screwed in Chicago and still put the banged up Rams in position to make it close…
Bears defense is very good, but their offense was horrible yesterday… I could not believe how stupid that team managed the clock in the final minutes.
That poor interim coach and QB looked like they didn’t want to be at the game yesterday…
December 27, 2024 at 6:44 pm #154242znModeratorThat poor interim coach and QB looked like they didn’t want to be at the game yesterday…
"I felt bad for Caleb Williams… I hope it's not too late for this kid." @ColinCowherd reacts to Bears losing 10th straight game pic.twitter.com/G621P02DKj
— Herd w/Colin Cowherd (@TheHerd) December 27, 2024
December 28, 2024 at 6:04 pm #154249znModeratorChecklist! The key teams, ie. the ones that we need to win, are bolded.
*Saturday
Broncos at Bengals, 4:30 et
*Sunday
Jets at Bills, 1 et
Dolphins at Browns, 4:05 et
Packers at Vikings, 4:05 et
Falcons at Commanders, 8:20 et
*Monday
Lions at 49ers, 8:15 et
Bengals 7-3 at the half.
December 28, 2024 at 7:49 pm #154251znModeratorHoldenCantor@HoldenCantor
Bengals would be lucky to get out of this with a win, Zac Taylor getting completely out coached by Sean PaytonDecember 28, 2024 at 7:49 pm #154252znModeratorARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?? pic.twitter.com/UsjdalFWR9
— trey wingo (@wingoz) December 29, 2024
December 28, 2024 at 11:25 pm #154257znModeratorRams Bros.@RamsBrothers
Only 6 teams in NFL HISTORY have made the playoffs after starting the season 1-4:
• 1970 Bengals
• 1992 Chargers
• 2002 Titans
• 2011 Broncos
• 2015 Chiefs
• 2018 ColtsDecember 29, 2024 at 12:08 am #154269
InvaderRamModeratorRams Bros.@RamsBrothers
Only 6 teams in NFL HISTORY have made the playoffs after starting the season 1-4:
• 1970 Bengals
• 1992 Chargers
• 2002 Titans
• 2011 Broncos
• 2015 Chiefs
• 2018 Coltshow many have won their division?
December 29, 2024 at 2:24 am #154272znModeratorRams Bros.@RamsBrothers
Only 6 teams in NFL HISTORY have made the playoffs after starting the season 1-4:
• 1970 Bengals
• 1992 Chargers
• 2002 Titans
• 2011 Broncos
• 2015 Chiefs
• 2018 Coltshow many have won their division?
1970 Bengals, 1992 Chargers, 2002 Titans, 2011 Broncos. So all except the 2015 Chiefs and the 2018 Colts, both of which had records good enough to be wildcards.
December 29, 2024 at 1:27 pm #154292znModeratorChecklist! The key teams, ie. the ones that we need to win, are bolded.
*Saturday
Broncos at Bengals, 4:30 et
*Sunday
Jets at Bills, 1 et
Dolphins at Browns, 4:05 et
Packers at Vikings, 4:05 et
Falcons at Commanders, 8:20 et
*Monday
Lions at 49ers, 8:15 et
Bengals won.
Today:
Bills
Browns
Vikings
Commanders…
December 29, 2024 at 3:41 pm #154296wvParticipantSo the Bills are crushing the Jets, i see.
…i still dont get how this works. Because there are still games next week. I would have thought the algrebra could all change again with next weeks games. ( assuming the Rams lose to the Seahawks and end up tied)
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vDecember 29, 2024 at 3:47 pm #154297znModeratorSo the Bills are crushing the Jets, i see.
…i still dont get how this works. Because there are still games next week. I would have thought the algrebra could all change again with next weeks games. ( assuming the Rams lose to the Seahawks and end up tied)
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vIf the “3 teams win” scenario works, then the Rams clinch now. This weekend.
Otherwise, they have to beat Seattle next week.
Today:
Bengals won.
Bills winning, by a huge margin.December 29, 2024 at 5:01 pm #154298wvParticipantSo the Bills are crushing the Jets, i see.
…i still dont get how this works. Because there are still games next week. I would have thought the algrebra could all change again with next weeks games. ( assuming the Rams lose to the Seahawks and end up tied)
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vIf the “3 teams win” scenario works, then the Rams clinch now. This weekend.
Otherwise, they have to beat Seattle next week.
Today:
Bengals won.
Bills winning, by a huge margin.No, i get the ‘what’ of it. I dont get the ‘how’ of it. How can they determine the ‘strength of victory’ stuff when there is still a full slate of games NEXT week. Why wouldnt next weeks games change the final totals.
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vDecember 29, 2024 at 5:30 pm #154299znModeratorNo, i get the ‘what’ of it. I dont get the ‘how’ of it. How can they determine the ‘strength of victory’ stuff when there is still a full slate of games NEXT week. Why wouldnt next weeks games change the final totals.
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vSorry I misunderstood. And the answer is…I don’t know, I can only speculate. So here I go. It more or less it amounts to this–SoV (strength of victory) can be established this week if you only focus on certain teams. They don’t look at every single team that both Seattle and the Rams played, just the ones whose SoV can be established now. It’s roughly the same as team record. In terms of team record, Buffalo at 13-3 will win the AFC East no matter what, since their closest rival is Miami at 7-8. And SoV is not just a matter of who wins, it’s also who loses, because losing means they have a lower SoV. There’s a certain threshold that can be reached this week regardless what happens next week. Again determining this does not mean looking at every single team played by Seattle and LA, they’re only looking for 4 out of 6 teams to cross a certain threshold this week. Those are just the teams whose numbers can be determined this week. So for example, Miami is 7-8 and they played both Seattle and LA. If Miami loses it doesn’t matter what happens next week–if they lose this week they will have a losing record no matter what (7-9). They therefore count less as a tie breaker.
So if the Bills have a strong record now (13-3) beating them counts more than beating Miami (if they go 7-9). As it happens Seattle beat Miami but lost to Buffalo. So the Rams losing to Miami doesn’t count as much as beating Buffalo. That’s a heavy determination if Miami does not end up with a winning record. If they lose today they can’t possibly have a winning record even if they win next week.
It’s more complicated than that because each team’s SoV also counts. Neither Seattle nor the Rams played the Bengals or Broncos, but then whoever won that game will determine the SoV of some teams both the Rams and Seattle did play.
Anyway, I don’t “know” any of this, I am just speculating based on what it looks like.
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