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August 8, 2019 at 1:08 am #103739MackeyserModerator
So, I saw a Political Compass graph of all the candidates based on their records and I was wondering where I was.
I’ve moved further left and it appears that I’m fully a part of the ACTUAL left, not just the American Left, which after conversion is more like the Center Left or even Center Adjacent.
Here’s various politicians including some candidates:
Anyone care to share theirs?
As for me, I started out as a moderate Republican. Described myself as a social liberal and fiscal conservative. I didn’t know wtf I was talking about, but I thought that’s where I was. Wasn’t until ZN and WV just asked me to describe what my principles were and then asked me how they aligned with my politics… and wow, what a wake up call. They didn’t align AT ALL.
So, two decades later… and based on my principles I’m a leftist…although I’m not a statist.
I’d likely be called a dirty casual by avowed leftists, but yeah. That’s me.
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August 8, 2019 at 1:15 am #103740znModeratorWe’re about the same! On the chart. If not exactly the same.
Interesting evolution, Mack.
Yet I also have this feeling that your core principles are the same. Do you think that’s accurate? They’re moral, and grounded. WV has talked about how he used to identify with the thoughtful and philosophical right of the old generation stellar conservatives.
August 8, 2019 at 7:52 am #103750wvParticipantI think was in all four parts of that square in my 20’s, as I changed. Been a libertarian, then a William-Buckley-Rep, then I was a Hubert-Humphrey-Dem, then I was a McGovern-Dem….then I was a mix of Malcolm-X and Buckminster Fuller…after that i sat in a lotus position for a while and watched Billy Jack movies.
Then of course I came here, and became a Disciple of Nittany and a science-hater.
Basically, staying in the realm of whats do-able, I’d like to see America be a nation of a gazillion SMALL businesses. I dont mind SMALL-capitalism, if thats what ya wanna call it. I’d like to see all the big stuff socialized. Energy, Transportation, education, health-care, environment-care. I’d like to see corporate-personhood destroyed.
Politics should not be about money, so take all the money out of it. Government should fun all candidates who get a certain number of signatures or somethin like that.Also, abolish the CIA, or at the very least make it much much more transparent. And the mega-pentagon-NSA-CIA-Weapons-Corporations-Murder-Machine would have to be dismantled. And Pie for everyone……oh wait…I’ve gone off into whats not do-able. Nevermind.
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vAugust 8, 2019 at 9:23 am #103751Billy_TParticipantInteresting evolution, Mac.
Last time I took the test — a year or two ago — I had minus 9s. Put me pretty close to where you are, if memory serves. May take it again in the near future.
One can find the Ur-test online, I’m pretty sure. This one is based on Adorno’s F-Scale.
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Basically, staying in the realm of whats do-able, I’d like to see America be a nation of a gazillion SMALL businesses. I dont mind SMALL-capitalism, if thats what ya wanna call it. I’d like to see all the big stuff socialized. Energy, Transportation, education, health-care, environment-care. I’d like to see corporate-personhood destroyed.
I think Americans define “capitalism” in different ways, so that’s a bit of a problem. We’d have to agree to a definition, for starters.
For righties, in my experience, it just means trade and commerce and business (in general) in the private sector, which isn’t how I’d define it at all. It’s historically unprecedented and fairly recent, and America itself wasn’t a “capitalist” nation until after the Civil War.
So, again, we’ve have to come to some kind of agreement about what it is and isn’t.
I fall back on this way of defining it:
1. You build custom chairs for a living. With your own two hands. No employees. You do everything, from A to Z, including sales and hauling your product to market. You’re not a capitalist.
2. You hire workers to build those chairs for you. They own nothing they produce. You legally own everything they make. You take the surplus value they generate, as if you did all the work, and it’s yours too. You decide how much to value their labor. They have no say in the matter, legally or in practical terms. You’re a capitalist.
I’m in favor of the first kind of commerce, not the second. I’d ban the second entirely.
August 10, 2019 at 11:11 am #103850Eternal RamnationParticipantAugust 10, 2019 at 1:00 pm #103858nittany ramModeratorMy ideology places me in the green box.
But as I get older I’m less and less about ideology and more and more about evidence. Policies need to be evidence based.
My priorities are protecting the environment and improving the standard of living for all of humanity.
This will require huge investments in new research and technology. To solve the problems surrounding those issues will require placing ideology on the back burner. I’m anti-Big Corp, but I also understand that research is expensive and small companies don’t have the resources to do it on the scale in which it needs to be done. Administrations need to prioritize science and research. We need a ‘space race’ style effort to find new energy and agricultural technologies.
February 20, 2020 at 5:09 am #111468MackeyserModeratorWe’re about the same! On the chart. If not exactly the same.
Interesting evolution, Mack.
Yet I also have this feeling that your core principles are the same. Do you think that’s accurate? They’re moral, and grounded. WV has talked about how he used to identify with the thoughtful and philosophical right of the old generation stellar conservatives.
Yeah, I’ve bounced this off the wife and she doesn’t see that I’ve altered my moral compass so much as put my political compass in line with my moral compass.
It’s likely I’ve changed some over the years in that I would have had trouble answering many of these questions as a young man and the only difficulty I have now are with the framing of some questions, so maybe in my certitude?
I dunno. But yeah, it’s interesting.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
February 20, 2020 at 7:47 am #111469wvParticipantI just wanna know where Lassie falls on that political-cube.
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