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November 4, 2016 at 1:07 pm #56806PA RamParticipant
Officials from two European countries tell Newsweek that Trump’s comments about Russia’s hacking have alarmed several NATO partners because it suggests he either does not believe the information he receives in intelligence briefings, does not pay attention to it, does not understand it or is misleading the American public for unknown reasons. One British official says members of that government who are aware of the scope of Russia’s cyberattacks both in Western Europe and America found Trump’s comments “quite disturbing” because they fear that, if elected, the Republican presidential nominee would continue to ignore information gathered by intelligence services in the formulation of U.S. foreign policy.
PA Ram: This goes along with pretty much what we know of Trump–who gets his info from the National Enquirer and Twitter. It is dangerous for this man to be sitting in the White House.
Trump’s behavior, however, has at times concerned the Russians, leading them to revise their hacking and disinformation strategy. For example, when Trump launched into an inexplicable attack on the parents of a Muslim-American soldier who died in combat, the Kremlin assumed the Republican nominee was showing himself psychologically unfit to be president and would be forced by his party to withdraw from the race. As a result, Moscow put its hacking campaign temporarily on hold, ending the distribution of documents until Trump stabilized, both personally and in the polls, according to reports provided to Western intelligence.
Clinton: We’ve never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. We have 17—17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyberattacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin and they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing. And I think it’s time you take a stand…
Trump: She has no idea whether it’s Russia, China or anybody else.
Clinton: I am not quoting myself.
Trump: She has no idea.
Clinton: I am quoting 17…
Trump: Hillary, you have no idea.
Clinton: …17 intelligence—do you doubt 17 military and civilian…
Trump: And our country has no idea.
Clinton: …agencies.
Trump: Yeah, I doubt it. I doubt it.
Clinton: Well, he’d rather believe Vladimir Putin than the military and civilian intelligence professionals who are sworn to protect us. I find that just absolutely…
Trump: She doesn’t like Putin because Putin has outsmarted her at every step of the way.
The words that so shocked the British were “our country has no idea,” and “I doubt it.” All of the NATO allies are sure Russia is behind the hacking. All of America’s intelligence agencies are, too. The foreign intelligence services had been sharing what they knew about this with the Americans, and Trump had been told about it. But he blithely dismissed the conclusion of not only the United States but its allies as well, based on absolutely nothing. Trump had no apparent means of developing his own information to contradict the findings of intelligence agencies around the world. And that he would so aggressively fight to clear Putin and cast aspersions on all Western intelligence agencies, left the British officials slack-jawed.
“They didn’t know what to think,” says one former British official who has spoken to numerous members of the government about Trump’s comments in that debate. “A lot of people are now trying to connect the dots of all the data [in the intelligence files] to try and understand Trump…. There certainly are a lot of conspiracy theories being bandied about, but no question there is a lot of concern about what’s going on in Trump’s head…and whether we would be able to work with him.”
PA Ram: I can’t believe that this country is seriously considering this man for president.
I get that the system is corrupt and needs change. But electing Trump won’t leave anything to fix.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 4, 2016 at 1:52 pm #56809wvParticipantWell when you live in a country/world rife with secret societies (ie, “intelligence agencies”) how are we supposed to evaluate Hillary’s claims that 17 agencies (who? where? how?) have concluded that the russians are hacking her emails?
It raises a whole lot of computer issues aside from hillary, dont it. And one wonders how often Hillary’s government has been hacking other governments. Ya know.
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vNovember 4, 2016 at 2:23 pm #56814PA RamParticipantI don’t think there is any doubt we hack other governments and even do more than that (stuxnet). But all anyone can do is evaluate information from a variety of sources and reach the conclusion that they feel meets a certain level of credibility.
Russia runs it’s own propaganda machine. How much do you believe from RT?
I find it credible that Russia was involved and that it’s less credible to believe it’s some 400 pound guy in a room as Trump claims. Trumps behavior on obvious issues, his statements, are consistent with someone who will ignore facts and do as he pleases.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 4, 2016 at 2:33 pm #56815bnwBlockedIts always been from within the US government. Could be the FBI, CIA, NSA etc. Those agencies in which her treason puts employees and operatives in danger.
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November 4, 2016 at 5:32 pm #56825ZooeyModeratorOne British official says members of that government who are aware of the scope of Russia’s cyberattacks both in Western Europe and America found Trump’s comments “quite disturbing” because they fear that, if elected, the Republican presidential nominee would continue to ignore information gathered by intelligence services in the formulation of U.S. foreign policy.
Oh, you mean like Bush/Cheney and…the British government?
November 4, 2016 at 11:49 pm #56841PA RamParticipantOne British official says members of that government who are aware of the scope of Russia’s cyberattacks both in Western Europe and America found Trump’s comments “quite disturbing” because they fear that, if elected, the Republican presidential nominee would continue to ignore information gathered by intelligence services in the formulation of U.S. foreign policy.
Oh, you mean like Bush/Cheney and…the British government?
Bush/Cheney didn’t just ignore it–they sent it back and basically said: tell us what we want to hear. We don’t need that again.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
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