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I don’t think the public money portion of the Peacock plan went up since Monday. There wasn’t enough time. It wasn’t a bluff to get Peacock to up the ante. There wasn’t enough time for Peacock TO up the ante.
But I don’t think the LA plan would affect that, anyway. The Peacock team isn’t stupid. They’ve known from the beginning that they had to appeal to Kroenke as much as possible. They knew from the beginning that they had to create as good a stadium as possible with as appealing of a financial arrangement for Kroenke as possible. Free land, opportunities for revenue, etc.
Opinion: After thinking about this for a week, I am inclined to think that Kroenke is serious about moving to LA.
The value and prestige of the franchise will escalate beyond ANYthing he can manage in St. Louis, regardless of the best efforts of that community. I think he made his decision before he bought the land in Inglewood. The value of that franchise in LA with stadium ownership is so far beyond the value of the franchise in St. Louis in a privately/publicly shared venue…it is not close. And Stan likes to own the whole shebang anyway; we know that from his other holdings. Seriously, the difference between the Rams in Peacock’s pub/priv stadium in STL and the Rams in a private stadium in LA is in at least 9 digits of value, possibly 10 digits. That’s a lot of digits.
The statement from the Rams today established their position on the “reasonable negotiations” portion of the NFL requirement. In court, they would argue, “Too little, too late.” And I think there is no chance that St. Lou can sweeten the pot at this point. I don’t think this is a leverage ploy. I think it was over a year or two ago.
There are still a lot of ways this thing can unfold. There are still the Jaguars, the Broncos, the Chargers, the Raiders, and who knows who else who may enter into this before it is over, but one thing I’m pretty sure of at this point is that the Rams are not going to play in Peacock’s stadium under Kroenke’s ownership.
I would agree with all that, zooey. We have 3 teams and 2 stadiums. LA can hold 2. The question for me is, which teams end up where? I put Denver in a different category.
AgamemnonThe statement from the Rams today established their position on the “reasonable negotiations” portion of the NFL requirement. In court, they would argue, “Too little, too late.” And I think there is no chance that St. Lou can sweeten the pot at this point. I don’t think this is a leverage ploy. I think it was over a year or two ago.
There are still a lot of ways this thing can unfold. There are still the Jaguars, the Broncos, the Chargers, the Raiders, and who knows who else who may enter into this before it is over, but one thing I’m pretty sure of at this point is that the Rams are not going to play in Peacock’s stadium under Kroenke’s ownership.
Yes, I agree with this. For me, it’s always been about “what exactly does Stan want.” And, with Kroenke’s private nature I really wonder did these announcements regarding the land purchase and partnership in Inglewood even need to be made? I’m not sure but couldn’t at least the partnership have been kept private if they had wanted that? So, beyond stirring up the football fans in LA and St Louis I’m thinking the announcement had at least a legal purpose and the “reasonable negotiations” theme checks that box.
Who knows – I’m sure there are a myriad of aspects and details with all of this that we – Joe Ram Fan – are not privy to. So, for this week Stan is getting what was deemed by the Governor as the no bidding war offer which I would think is Missouri’s best and final offer to keep the Rams? I kind of doubt there’s no back and fourth regarding this proposal if Stan actually wants to try to make St Louis work. We’ll just see what happens – I’m still hedging my bets. I think Zooey laid out the timetable earlier really well.
I watched from afar when the Vikings and Minnesota\Minneapolis did something similar but Wilf didn’t have land in Inglewood or a partnership to develop a sports complex in place so there was never a clear path to LA – just innuendo. Stan has a clear path. It has a few bends but if he wants to be there, there’s almost no stopping him at this point. So, again What does Stan want? The actions and announcements this past year seem to speak clearly and distinctly as to what his intentions are.
Playoff football today – wish the Rams were contenders.
Love SunTzu’s post. Well thought out.
I personally believe and admittedly I am biased for LA and you all know that.
I Personally believe the Rams and the league are both in alliance on the Kroenke LA proposal in Inglewood.
For Mr. Peacock, comparing his open air cute little stadium to the 80,000 seat NFL palace in Inglewood is like trying to trump paradise with a nice little rose garden by the river.Back in the 1970s or early 80s Peacock’s stadium plan may have been really something but today its really boring.
The concept for the stadium looks like it was borrowed from a number of older stadiums that exist today.Lets talk about seating capacity. 64,000 seats, 2000 less than the EJD which is 66,000. 16,000 less than the stadium proposed in Inglewood which is 80,000. Then we get into the save the Riverfront aspect which is very nice. I appreciate preservation of our history vs the NFL theme and the other features of the City of Champions project. The historic riverfront stuff does nothing for the NFL. The City of Champions Project will be all inclusive of the NFL experience including a studio for the NFL network which is based in Los Angeles.
Kroenke’s plan is to be privately financed. Peacock’s plan involves public funding and what is going to be the return for the NFL on the Peacock plan? No where near as much as the return on the new stadium in Inglewood with all that includes and no where near as much as being in the Entertainment capital of the nation if not the world. The City of Champions project screams Super Bowls and final fours and other huge events. Peacock’s stadium? Really, a Super Bowl in a 64,000 seat stadium?
Maybe Peacock’s plan will eventually bring another team desperate for a stadium to STL but, it won’t be the Rams.
Grits
Agreed, GRITS….
The Inglewood site will be an NFL flagship in the 2nd biggest market and the NFL crown-jewel 😉
A venue that hosts soccer, NFL Network offices, NFL Experience parks…everything NFL…
and – all year around due to the weather! It’ll be the Disneyworld of the NFL…for tourists!!IMO – The NFL being so quiet about all this shows complicity with Stan. Cuz no way Stan announces without already getting the tacit agreement from Tags/NFL/Owners….I don’t care what Spanos says about blocking with 9 votes.
Spanos is just jealous cuz he didn’t have the means to do what Stan has done. But more importantly it’ll pass
Cuz the NFL wants this BAD…and can get it without taxpayers being involved.IMO – THIS NFL/Disneyworld concept is what the NFL has been waiting for in LA….it’d be a helluva splash! It’s gonna ba a collaborative/joint effort with Stan/HollywoodPark owners & the NFL…and all penalties will be waived/paid back/mitigated somehow for the Rams to move.
As for WVs post about the NFL rules and Stan not being able to move just to make more money…it’s way bigger than that, I think. The Rams have won arbitration and STLouis has dragged their feet for 2 years now…doing nothing.
Good faith has been demonstrated by the Rams and this could’ve been settled with the 700mil renovation of the Dome 2 yrs ago.
The fact that Peacock just now presented his plans/drawings is weak negotiating, as if an afterthought – but the worst part is what was said about the toughest aspect of the plan….the financing.
That was presented as has yet to be fleshed out and does involve taxpayer money thru extension on Bonds of the EJD. It’s all too little too late!I have no idea what’s really happening…and I’m just kinda spit-balling here….so who knows!
I love the Horns no matter where they move…….but living here in Orange County and marrying a Rams cheerleader from the 1994….
I’d sure love them to come back home!"I should have been a pair of ragged claws...
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas."I know Zooey…that was all in my imagination! LOL
Call me a forward thinker…or simply, delusional
but THAT is what I think the NFL will do with those 300 acres…in a short time,
when they realize what’s possible – if they haven’t already and that’s why they are so quiet!
The NFL is pinching itself! Corporations can pinch…right?
Corps are people too, ya know!!
Well you’re obviously pro LA. I am a nomad and neutral. I don’t even know personally what I prefer.
BUT a lot of things you say are a little too pro LA. You assume for example that the league is quiet because it approves. It’s just as likely that the league is quiet because this just got sprung on them. You assume the Peacock thing is too little too late. I don’t know why it’s too little, but it is as early as it could be–once the EJD negotiations went the way they did, the state dedicated itself to having a plan, and those are NOT done overnight. So arguably the St. Louis plan shows up the soonest it ever possible COULD show up. In fact, it is quite likely that Stan made his LA stadium issue public when he did in order to undermine the St. Louis presentation, and that he did that precisely to TRY and make the “too little too late” case, when in fact him doing that could just as easily be taken as backing the “he never made an honest effort to deal with St. Louis” case. (Actually I think it is far, far more the latter.) You also assume that the league is greedy to have this model park in LA to the point where they are eager to overlook their own rules about relocation. Those rules exist for a reason–they came in place in response to all the franchise moves of the 80s and 90s. If they ignore their own rules they are inviting franchise free agency where anyone can move. That’s precisely what those rules responded to…that environment, which the league did NOT want.
Now I don;t know what will happen, and what the league is thinking, and so on.
I am just responding to a couple of arguments you make that strike me as a bit “pro-LA”-ish and not necessarily givens or solid or sound as arguments.
I do this only because of my deep abiding grudge against you personally, after years of mutual bitter board wars between us two.
Or wait…was that someone else?
Naw just speaking as a nomad. There is a lot of this that is still unclear. You make the LA case, which is fine, but it IS the LA case and not necessarily a neutral reading. Which is also fine.
Lots to discuss as this unfolds across the next several decades.
Your take on this is the same as mine. I could see the NFL theme park coming and of course the value of the Rams will be off the charts. I see a whole new incredible era of Rams football on the horizon. Man, I can hardly wait.
I should clarify my point of view. By “Theme Park” I’m thinking a strong NFL identity but the venue will be as noted before. Shops, restaurants, hotel, NFL offices, NFL television studio..I could see ESPN, FOX, NBC & CBS coming from there on game day as well. There’s a large park planned and the tail gate thing could be state of the art too.
and just to add onto this. several billionaire groups have been fighting and spending millions of dollars to be the first to build a new football stadium here for what? because the nfl doesn’t want to bring a team back here?
yeah the nfl has rules set up to prevent teams from just moving but they also want a team here. aeg didn’t spend all that effort on farmers field unless they were sure the nfl planned on having a team back here. and not just aeg. there was some other group with plans to build in sgv.
who better than kroenke really?
he has the ability to do it and he has the team. he’s the second richest owner in the nfl. no other team could do the move while also financially reaping the rewards. if they could they probably would have moved. it’s just that the financial gain made by staying was greater.
yeah. the nfl has wanted this for a long time. you don’t get numerous proposals of stadium projects because they weren’t serious about it. it’s just that now there’s actually a legitimate proposal on the table.
Why would owners vote against it?
It’s 1. losing a team in St. Louis, which they don’t prize as an outcome, and 2. whether or not they meant it when they put up barriers to lone owner moves of the Cleveland to Baltimore, Baltimore to IND type.
If #2 no longer means anything to them, then, so be it. But then why are those rules THERE.
Cause they are not going to have an easy time arguing that those rules are there for a reason except when it comes to Stan Kroenke. Even a socio-pathic billionaire team owner is going to notice the problems with that argument.
but in the end what happened after those teams moved? a slap on the wrist?
to me. it really doesn’t matter to them. maybe it’s just to show fans they care about loyalty. they’ll act upset but in the end nothing will come of it because nothing has ever come of it.
or maybe they’ll vote stan out of the league like they did donald sterling in the nba.
that’d be funny.
Your take on this is the same as mine. I could see the NFL theme park coming and of course the value of the Rams will be off the charts. I see a whole new incredible era of Rams football on the horizon.
Why would it be an “incredible era”? Because of a theme park? Aren’t there enough of them out there already?
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
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