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January 21, 2015 at 6:40 am #16988nittany ramModerator
Per Chris Mortenson…
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
10:57 PM – 20 Jan 2015http://nep.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-NFL-Finds-Patriots-Used-Under-Inflated-Balls–34920367
The only fair thing to do would be to strip the Patriots of their titles and ban them from the league.
January 21, 2015 at 7:22 am #16989lyserParticipantI guess we will never really know how many SB titles these guys would have without cheating – including this year. Proven cheaters every year they won a SB. That Spygate book is a good read. They should let the Ravens and Colts play this weekend to represent AFC is SB. All their titles will always have an * next to them for me.
January 21, 2015 at 8:01 am #16995wvParticipantwhy wouldn’t it make a difference?
You wondering about the spying-cheating or
the deflating-cheating?w
vJanuary 21, 2015 at 9:03 am #17002wvParticipantYeah I don’t get it. In any other sport, if you cheat, you forfeit that win. Why is it different in the NFL. Mother effing patriots get away with murder.
They steal championships. It pisses me off.
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January 21, 2015 at 9:28 am #17003DakParticipant==============================
RambillChris Mortensen @mortreport 1d1
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
NFL has no comment at this time and Patriots say they will continue to cooperate with the investigation. More on SpotrsCenter.If true, Belichick needs to be suspended for a year. They set a precedent with Sean Payton.
January 21, 2015 at 9:42 am #17004wvParticipant<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>wv wrote:</div>
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RambillChris Mortensen @mortreport 1d1
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
NFL has no comment at this time and Patriots say they will continue to cooperate with the investigation. More on SpotrsCenter.If true, Belichick needs to be suspended for a year. They set a precedent with Sean Payton.
I havent formed an opinion on this yet, but let me just ask — how would deflating the balls help only one team? I mean they were deflated for both teams. How did it help the Pats and not help the Colts?
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vJanuary 21, 2015 at 9:43 am #17005bnwBlocked==============================
RambillChris Mortensen @mortreport 1d1
NFL has found that 11 of the Patriots footballs used in Sunday’s AFC title game were under-inflated by 2 lbs each, per league sources.
NFL has no comment at this time and Patriots say they will continue to cooperate with the investigation. More on SpotrsCenter.If true, Belichick needs to be suspended for a year. They set a precedent with Sean Payton.
No, their trophy case needs to be cleared out, team and head coach fined and loss of top three draft picks. If not then cheaters continue to prosper. Need to address the officials involvement too.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
January 21, 2015 at 9:54 am #17006bnwBlockedYou wondering about the spying-cheating or
the deflating-cheating?w
vWhat part of cheating are you having difficulty grasping? Cheaters cheat to gain an advantage or they wouldn’t do it. It is so simple. Rams fans were screwed but that was Georgia’s team. Raiders fans were screwed but that was Al’s team. Every Patriots playoff win is highly suspect this century. The numerous AFC playoff victims should be demanding action. So should the Rams but that is negotiable when a league vote on a possible move is at stake.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
January 21, 2015 at 10:12 am #17010bnwBlockedThe Patriots have an entrenched culture of cheating. To have this happen after their well documented sordid history proves it.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
January 21, 2015 at 11:14 am #17014wvParticipantJanuary 21, 2015 at 11:43 am #17037January 21, 2015 at 11:55 am #17039PA RamParticipantIf they were both playing with deflated balls how did one team have an advantage?
I get that Bellicheat will do anything to win. I’m just wondering in this particular case how his team had the edge over the other one. Were they playing with different balls? Do they practice with deflated balls?
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
January 21, 2015 at 12:09 pm #17049znModeratorIf they were both playing with deflated balls how did one team have an advantage?
This doesn’t really answer your question. Just more info.
Mark Brunell discusses the advantage of using a football that is underinflated and what he preferred to use when he played.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12203979
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January 21, 2015 at 12:13 pm #17050lyserParticipantI don’t think we know WHO played with the deflated balls yet and what the advantage was. Assuming a better grip in shitty conditions. What if Brady got this advantage but Luck didn’t? Just cause they were not caught cheating post spygate doesn’t mean they didn’t. They have a history. TAINTED. I don’t know how many SB they would have won if they had not cheated. Nobody does. Shame because maybe they are great or maybe they won only because they cheated. We don’t know. TAINTED.
January 21, 2015 at 12:18 pm #17051PA RamParticipantSaw this on ESPN:
The NFL began looking into the issue because doctoring the footballs could provide a competitive advantage, compromising the integrity of the game.
Deflating a football can change the way it’s gripped by a player or the way it travels through the air. Under NFL rules, each team provides balls each game for use when its offense is on the field. The balls are inspected before the game by the officiating crew, then handled during the game by home-team personnel.
Furthermore, Brady told WEEI radio in November 2011 that he likes using underinflated footballs.
It almost sounds like each team uses its own balls on offense.
If true that would be the advantage.
Colts had properly inflated balls/ Pats didn’t.
If that’s how it works.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
January 21, 2015 at 12:29 pm #17052lyserParticipantYeah – so Brady gets the advantage and Luck doesn’t. Clear cheating. Sounds like they were probably altered post inspection. Probably. Who did it? Investigation ongoing. What if Brady did it? What if he had some needle tech in his gloves or uni that let a little air out? What if it was ordered by Bellicheat? Let’s see if the NFL does a real investigation this time. Could be VERY damaging to the league. What if the officials were in on it? Since its all about $$$, I bet this gets swept under the rug….again. The NFL is going to protect their own. The whole thing sucks. The Patriots suck. Thing is, they would be good without this crap, but would they be great???
January 21, 2015 at 12:35 pm #17053PA RamParticipantI was kind of …eh…on the Superbowl. I wanted the Seahawks to win because I detest the Pats. But now I REALLY want them to win.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
January 21, 2015 at 12:36 pm #17054bnwBlockedWhat a stupid system. Like taking candy from a baby. Why don’t the officials [excuse me] handle the balls exclusively? Why can’t they have someone in charge of the balls including the inflating of the balls and handing a new ball into play? Since none of this is done why wouldn’t the officials become familiar with the feel of a properly inflated ball and air gage a new ball put in play?
Must be the official difference between entertainment and sport. NFL is entertainment not sport. NFL wants the Patriots to win then with the help of the officials the Patriots will win. Otherwise the Patriots are left alone to win by cheating if they can.
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The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
January 21, 2015 at 12:54 pm #17057znModeratorI haven’t even read this yet. So, don’t kill the article poster.
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Gordon: Belichick’s critics are indulging in loser talk
By Jeff Gordon
New England Patriots coach Bill Belichick seeks every possible advantage over his foes.
This is who he is. This is what he does. Belichick doesn’t make a lot of friends while grinding out victories, but he seems OK with that.
Earlier in the playoffs the Patriots duped the Baltimore Ravens with a formation ruse, creating mass confusion. Which players were eligible receivers and which weren’t?
After the game, reporters raised the issue with Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. He dismissed the Ravens’ complaints with the figurative back of his hand.
“Maybe those guys got to study the rule book and figure it out,” Brady sniffed. “We obviously knew what we were doing, and we made some pretty important plays … I don’t know what’s deceiving about that. They should figure it out.”
Now we have a big hoo-ha over the (allegedly) deflated footballs the Patriots used on offense during the AFC championship game.
The weight of the footballs hardly mattered against the Colts. The Patriots won 45-7. They dominated from start to finish.
The tampering allegations seem irrelevant. The Patriots could have replaced regulation footballs with almost any inanimate object and kept rolling.
Toaster ovens, clock radios, stuffed wolverines, grandma’s purse … it appeared almost anything would have worked for them against Indianapolis.
They blocked. They tackled. They imposed their will. The Colts have no beef and neither does anybody else.
The Patriots haven’t cheated their way to constant contention during Belichick’s reign. They stayed in the chase with brilliant coaching, tremendous quarterback play and a total franchise commitment to winning.
But the Patriots do have a reputation for pulling shenanigans, most famously in the “Spygate” controversy in 2007. Team operatives videotaped the defensive signals by their opponents and got nabbed.
The league’s decision to destroy the evidence gathered in that investigation smacked of a cover-up. What exactly was on those tapes? How damning was the evidence?
Since fans didn’t get to find out, their imaginations ran wild.
Rams fans will go to their graves believing the Patriots stole Super Bowl XXXVI because the team videotaped coach Mike Martz’s walk-through session at the end of the practice week.
The Boston Herald reported that allegation in 2008, then walked it back. The Patriots denied the illicit taping and no hard evidence came to light.
Still, former Rams great Marshall Faulk is among those who have wondered aloud about these allegations, other “Spygate” revelations, the subsequent NFL sanctions and the Patriots’ inability to win a Super Bowl since then.
“The question is, how did they become a championship team?” Faulk asked WEEI radio this time last year. “Listen, I’m not going to be the only one to say this: Ever since they got fined and, ‘OK, we’re not doing that anymore,’ they’ve won how many Super Bowls?”
Well, none yet, but it’s not like the Patriots went into the tank after absorbing that league wrist slap.
Since “Spygate” became all the rage, the Patriots have posted a 99-28 regular-season record. They have won seven AFC East Division titles, eight playoff games and three AFC championships.
Since that fateful Super Bowl XXXVI in New Orleans, the Patriots have only missed the playoffs twice. Such success in the parity-driven NFL is astounding.
Just ask the Rams. They have only made the playoffs twice since that game, and one of those excursions came after an 8-8 season.
Things turned bad for them in 2005 and stayed bad. While the Patriots kept winning, the Rams went 6-10, 8-8, 3-13. 2-14, 1-15, 7-9, 2-14, 7-8-1, 7-9 and 6-10 in consecutive seasons.
That Super Bowl XXXVI loss seemed to break Martz as a head coach. He waited too long to make adjustments to New England’s aggressive pass coverage.
His players made too many big mistakes. Their big comeback started too late. The loss crushed him.
Martz began unraveling, as did the “Greatest Show on Turf.” He exited the Rams during the 2005 season and never got to run his own team again.
(Perhaps Martz can revive his career in Cleveland if the Browns bring him on board as offensive coordinator. Imagine him working with quarterback Johnny Manziel. Mad Mike + Johnny Football = endless entertainment!)
After Martz’s demise at Rams Park, Joe Vitt, Scott Linehan, Jim Haslett, Steve Spagnuolo and Jeff Fisher took their turns failing.
Meanwhile the Patriots just kept winning. Folks can question the legitimacy of that sustained success, but that’s just loser talk.
Belichick is the NFL’s best coach. He keeps winning while operating on his own terms.
He dresses for games like he is headed to a Dumpster dive. His dour public countenance reinforces his cold-blooded manner.
The cocksure Brady gives him the ultimate advantage. Other players come and go, assistant coaches come and go, personnel guys come and go, but Belichick just keeps winning.
Now the hooded genius is headed back to the Super Bowl stage. He will stand in the media glare and glare right back.
Somebody will ask about deflated footballs and cheating and integrity. Belichick will utter a non-answer or two.
Then he will go right back to work, looking for the edge.
January 21, 2015 at 12:59 pm #17058PA RamParticipantSome Matt Leinart tweets:
Matt Leinart @MattLeinartQB · 1h 1 hour ago
Every team tampers with the footballs. Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculousMatt Leinart @MattLeinartQB · 29m 29 minutes ago
Actually my guy @kurt13warner didn’t tamper w the footballs because he wore gloves. Used to irritate me..So correction, almost all QBs! Lolhttps://twitter.com/MattLeinartQB
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
January 21, 2015 at 1:01 pm #17059PA RamParticipantPeter King @SI_PeterKing 50m50 minutes ago
RT @MrKnighton2u: If footballs were deflated by that amount, definitely cheating. Harder to fumble, easier to catch. Helps you throw further"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
January 21, 2015 at 1:21 pm #17061lyserParticipantThat Gordon article is complete crap IMO. The formation shenanigans against the Raven’s were legal. I’m sure they will adjust the rule. Spygate? Definite cheating. If the Pats tampered with the balls? Definite cheating.
Comparing to the Ram’s fortunes’? Irrelevant.
Comparing to the formations stuff? Irrelevant.
The rules are there to be followed, if you break them, it is cheating. Law works the same way.
The NFL has to decide if this impacts their bottom line or corrupts the system further. Will fans stop watching? Probably not right now. Will other coaches/organizations start cheating every chance they get? I guess they should, that is how you win Super Bowls – isn’t that the message? If that happens, will fans stay interested? Questionable. I know I could not root for my team/bet on games/enjoy the league if it descended into a “Only Cheaters Win” situation.
January 21, 2015 at 1:21 pm #17062joemadParticipant;Actually my guy @kurt13warner didn’t tamper w the footballs because he wore gloves. Used to irritate me..So correction, almost all QBs!
1) Maybe Leinart did this at USC with cheating Pete Carroll
2) If Leinart did this in the NFL, it certainly didn’t help him.I think all this talk is firing up New England… I think they’re going to cream Seattle. R. Wilson played like crap last week……
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January 21, 2015 at 2:46 pm #17065DakParticipantI havent formed an opinion on this yet, but let me just ask — how would deflating the balls help only one team? I mean they were deflated for both teams. How did it help the Pats and not help the Colts?
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vI think this has been answered since you posed the question, but it doesn’t matter if the cheating actually helped New England. If they cheat, they must expect an advantage. Cheating itself is the issue.
I’m waiting to hear what actually comes of the investigation before I chime in much more. But, cheating itself is all that matters. I don’t care if New England made it WORSE on themselves while cheating. Good, if that’s the case. But, it just doesn’t matter. It’s all about the cavalier attitude toward the rules, as if they don’t apply to the Patriots. We already know that they’re willing to cheat, so it shouldn’t be a surprise if Bill did it again.
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January 21, 2015 at 3:32 pm #17067joemadParticipantSeems to me that Bill Belichick is a habitual cheater….. .. Like I said on this thread earlier, Carroll (especially back at USC) and Belichick push the envelope to get away with all they can.. no coincendence that their teams are #1 and #2 respectively in penalties this year… they’re only flagged when they get caught.
deflating balls………I see this like a pitcher doctoring a baseball, you get suspended for pulling that shit.
January 21, 2015 at 4:59 pm #17068wvParticipantI don’t think we know WHO played with the deflated balls yet and what the advantage was. Assuming a better grip in shitty conditions. What if Brady got this advantage but Luck didn’t? Just cause they were not caught cheating post spygate doesn’t mean they didn’t. They have a history. TAINTED. I don’t know how many SB they would have won if they had not cheated. Nobody does. Shame because maybe they are great or maybe they won only because they cheated.
We don’t know.
TAINTED.
Yeah, i got no problem with “we dont know” and perhaps “tainted.”
But thats not the same as “Light the Torches
and burn them in the Iron Maiden.”Also, i disagree with those that think “cheating is cheating
whether it helps the Pats or not.”
I think there is a significant difference between “cheating
that helps” and “cheating that doesnt”. Its like one
is a traffic violation, and one is a Felony. Kinda.I’m amazed, btw, that the Refs dont weigh all the balls
and check on that stuff before and during the game.
I’m sure the NFL will NOW make some changes.I’m having a little trouble believing that that
total butt-whipping the Pats gave the idiot-Colts
was because of “deflated footballs.” I’m
having trouble buying that. Nobody needs
to cheat to beat the Colts in the playoffs.w
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January 21, 2015 at 4:59 pm #17069InvaderRamModeratorlet’s be clear. on offense one team uses their balls exclusively. the other team uses their balls exclusively when they’re on offense.
so yeah it can create an advantage. for sure. would it have made a difference of 30 points? probably not. but it definitely makes a difference.
January 21, 2015 at 5:10 pm #17071wvParticipantlet’s be clear. on offense one team uses their balls exclusively. the other team uses their balls exclusively when they’re on offense.
so yeah it can create an advantage. for sure. would it have made a difference of 30 points? probably not. but it definitely makes a difference.
Can you picture some of the Signs
at the Super Bowl now 🙂There’s gonna be a lot of signs
with ball on Scales and such,
i figure.Unless the NFL bans signs.
w
vJanuary 21, 2015 at 5:17 pm #17073bnwBlockedGordon didn’t watch XXXVI because it wasn’t “aggressive pass coverage” the Patriots used it was the officials refusing to call penalties on their coverage. The fix was in.
About Martz what else could he do other than run Faulk more? He’s still counting on the officials to do their job. It wouldn’t have mattered since the officials were not going to do their job. The fix was in.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
January 21, 2015 at 5:17 pm #17074InvaderRamModeratormedia week should be pretty entertaining too. i hope. they should really give the pats a hard time with that. that’d be fun.
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