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February 13, 2016 at 6:28 pm #38944ZooeyModerator
Gag me.
The early praise is citing what a loyalist to the constitution he was. What a guy.
I know he isn’t the ahole who said that, but he contradicted himself in his rulings, and loyalty to law wasn’t his strong suit.
February 13, 2016 at 6:44 pm #38948ZooeyModeratorFebruary 13, 2016 at 9:53 pm #38963znModeratorJustice Scalia Dead Following 30-Year Battle With Social Progress
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/justice-scalia-dead-following-30-year-battle-socia-52356
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February 13, 2016February 15, 2016 at 10:04 am #39003wvParticipantI am delighted,
jesus, finally took him
and threw him
in hell.w
vFebruary 15, 2016 at 1:59 pm #39016ZooeyModeratorI am actually starting to think that this is an opportunity for Obama to nominate – not a moderate – but a liberal to the court. The Republicans are in a bad, bad place right now. First of all, they lost Scalia. He was a lock as a conservative vote. His subtraction just made the court more liberal. I mean…that’s math. In a court where a lot of votes were 5-4, they have now just become 5-3, or 4-4 at worst. And a 4-4 vote means the lower court ruling is upheld, and the lower courts are currently more liberal than conservative. So the stay the SC just put on the environmental initiative would get through with only the 8 justices there now, and in fact, I expect it will be tweaked and sent back up because of that very opening. So they are under pressure to move.
Also, the Republicans have more senate seats up for grabs this year, and several of them come from moderate to slightly liberal states, and none of those guys have come out and said they are playing the roadblock game. It could kill them.
Now, on the positive side of the ledger for Rs, freezing this debate is red meat for the culture war types. But the problem is that Citizens United is unpopular with most Americans, and most Americans don’t want Roe overturned. So if these firebrands are going to lock down this nomination, they are not only going to fire up their base, they are going to fire up some democrats who are usually lazy about voting. There were 3.6 million fewer votes for Obama in 2012 than 2008, but this could bring more people to the polls, and greater voter turnout favors democrats. And if he nominates Eric Holder, it could bring out the black vote.
Meanwhile this game of Russian Roulette doesn’t have any payoff if the next president is a democrat. They could potentially damage their hold in congress by forcing a stalemate over this issue, all gambling that they get to send a Republican to the white house to make a conservative nomination. It’s a gamble they have to take, and it is more likely to bite them in the ass than to come out the way they want.
Additionally, they have already announced that their opposition is purely political obstructionism. No matter who the nominee is, their opposition to him/her has already been defined as politics by their party leadership. So even if they have some “real” reason to oppose Obama’s nomination, they have already ensured that their objections can’t be taken at face value.
The death of Scalia has hurt conservatives pretty badly. They are between a rock and a hard right place.
The election becomes a referendum on the President versus a do-nothing congress, progress versus obstructionism. The Rs cannot win that. And most Americans are going to reject the implied argument that we need a cultural conservative on the court. Americans have moved to more liberal social views, so the Rs are just on a losing track.
I think nominating a liberal justice will absolutely FORCE the Rs to take this stand, including senators up for re-election. There are 5 R senators in toss up races right now in states that Obama carried in 2012. Obama can pressure those seats by making it harder for them to break ranks with the R. They will either have to vote for the nominee, or face a backlash in their state.
I don’t think Obama will do that because he’s mostly tried to play nice with these assholes for the past 7 years, but even if he nominates a moderate, the Rs are in bad shape.
Man, I am getting jacked up about this election cycle, I must say. All the entrails I am casting on the fire are telling me conservatives are going to get their knuckles rapped pretty hard.
February 15, 2016 at 2:08 pm #39017bnwBlockedI am delighted,
jesus, finally took him
and threw him
in hell.w
vIt does appear he was taken. The deciding vote, the most reliable vote in opposition to the administrations position in cases to be decided by the supreme court, dies with a pillow over his head at a ranch owned by an Obama supporter and without seeing the body the local coroner rules natural death over the phone thus no autopsy. So convenient and transparent.
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February 15, 2016 at 2:17 pm #39019ZooeyModeratorI am delighted,
jesus, finally took him
and threw him
in hell.w
vIt does appear he was taken. The deciding vote, the most reliable vote in opposition to the administrations position in cases to be decided by the supreme court, dies with a pillow over his head at a ranch owned by an Obama supporter and without seeing the body the local coroner rules natural death over the phone thus no autopsy. So convenient and transparent.
Are you claiming Scalia was murdered?
February 15, 2016 at 2:27 pm #39021bnwBlockedI am delighted,
jesus, finally took him
and threw him
in hell.w
vIt does appear he was taken. The deciding vote, the most reliable vote in opposition to the administrations position in cases to be decided by the supreme court, dies with a pillow over his head at a ranch owned by an Obama supporter and without seeing the body the local coroner rules natural death over the phone thus no autopsy. So convenient and transparent.
Are you claiming Scalia was murdered?
Will never know without an autopsy. No autopsy in the unanticipated death of such an important government official. The surprise death of a man comprising one ninth of one of the three branches of the federal government doesn’t warrant an autopsy?
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February 15, 2016 at 3:25 pm #39024TSRFParticipantIf anything, it was self inflicted. Death by twinkees…
Just look at the man! A marvel of evolution his heart was able to soldier on for 79 long years. Plus, the vitriol he spewed had to have a corrosive effect on his system.
OK, I’m being heartless, but fat people usually don’t live to enjoy their golden years, never mind to see 80.
February 15, 2016 at 3:26 pm #39025ZooeyModeratorWill never know without an autopsy. No autopsy in the unanticipated death of such an important government official. The surprise death of a man comprising one ninth of one of the three branches of the federal government doesn’t warrant an autopsy?
I would think it would, yes. Though I have no knowledge of how those decisions are made. I don’t know who was at the ranch, how many were there, what Scalia’s last day was like, what health issues he had, who found him, how it was handled.
I will say that suffocating somebody with a pillow is not a very professional way to go about killing someone, and carries a significant risk of failure, as well as the likelihood of leaving signs of struggle that would invite an autopsy and an investigation. I would think that – you know – assassins would have a better plan than that, and probably wouldn’t leave a pillow on his head.
February 15, 2016 at 3:33 pm #39027bnwBlockedIf anything, it was self inflicted. Death by twinkees…
Just look at the man! A marvel of evolution his heart was able to soldier on for 79 long years. Plus, the vitriol he spewed had to have a corrosive effect on his system.
OK, I’m being heartless, but fat people usually don’t live to enjoy their golden years, never mind to see 80.
BS.
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February 15, 2016 at 3:40 pm #39029bnwBlockedWill never know without an autopsy. No autopsy in the unanticipated death of such an important government official. The surprise death of a man comprising one ninth of one of the three branches of the federal government doesn’t warrant an autopsy?
I would think it would, yes.
Yes it is common sense.
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February 15, 2016 at 4:01 pm #39031znModeratorI think the right-wing conspiracy-theory buzz out there about “murder” is ludicrous and a reminder why I don’t want people like that anywhere near public office.
Either way, whether or not to have an autopsy is a local, not a federal decision.
The facts as we know them so far:
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The death of Antonin Scalia: Chaos, confusion and conflicting reports
MARFA, Tex. — In the cloistered chambers of the Supreme Court, Justice Antonin Scalia’s days were highly regulated and predictable. He met with clerks, wrote opinions and appeared for arguments in the august courtroom on a schedule set months in advance.
Yet as details of Scalia’s sudden death trickled in Sunday, it appeared that the hours afterward were anything but orderly. The man known for his elegant legal opinions and profound intellect was found dead in his room at a hunting resort by the resort’s owner, who grew worried when Scalia didn’t appear at breakfast Saturday morning.
It then took hours for authorities in remote West Texas to find a justice of the peace, officials said Sunday. When they did, Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara pronounced Scalia dead of natural causes without seeing the body — which is permissible under Texas law — and without ordering an autopsy.
As official Washington tried to process what his demise means for politics and the law, some details of Scalia’s final hours remained opaque. As late as Sunday afternoon, for example, there were conflicting reports about whether an autopsy should have been performed. A manager at the El Paso funeral home where Scalia’s body was taken said that his family made it clear they did not want one.
One of two other officials who were called but couldn’t get to Scalia’s body in time said that she would have made a different decision on the autopsy.
“If it had been me . . . I would want to know,” Juanita Bishop, a justice of the peace in Presidio, Tex., said in an interview Sunday of the chaotic hours after Scalia’s death at the Cibolo Creek Ranch, a luxury compound less than an hour from the Mexican border and about 40 miles south of Marfa.
Meanwhile, Guevara acknowledged that she pronounced Scalia dead by phone, without seeing his body. Instead, she spoke to law enforcement officials at the scene — who assured her “there were no signs of foul play” — and Scalia’s physician in Washington, who said that the 79-year-old justice suffered from a host of chronic conditions.
“He was having health issues,’’ Guevara said, adding that she is awaiting a statement from Scalia’s doctor that will be added to his death certificate when it is issued later this week.
Guevara also rebutted a report by a Dallas TV station that quoted her as saying that Scalia had died of “myocardial infarction.” In an interview with The Washington Post, she said she meant only that his heart had stopped.
“It wasn’t a heart attack,” Guevara said. “He died of natural causes.”
In a statement Sunday, the U.S. Marshals Service, which provides security for Supreme Court justices, said that Scalia had declined a security detail while at the ranch, so marshals were not present when he died. “Deputy U.S. Marshals from the Western District of Texas responded immediately upon notification of Justice Scalia’s passing,” the statement said.
One thing was clear: Scalia died in his element, doing what he loved, at a luxury resort that has played host to movie stars and European royalty, and is famous for bird hunts and bigger game such as bison and mountain lions.
“Other than being with his family or in church, there’s no place he’d rather be than on a hunt,” said Houston lawyer Mark Lanier, who took Scalia hunting for wild boar, deer and even alligators. Lanier said he first learned of Scalia’s love for hunting through former Supreme Court justice Sandra Day O’Connor. “He’ll do anything if you take him hunting,” Lanier recalled O’Connor saying.
Scalia had recently returned from a trip to Asia, where his last public event was a book signing in Hong Kong. John Poindexter, the Houston businessman who owns the Cibolo Creek Ranch, said Sunday that Scalia and a friend arrived Friday by chartered aircraft, traveling through Houston. At the ranch, Scalia joined about 35 other people invited by Poindexter, who declined to name the other guests.
Later that day, Scalia went out with the group to hunt blue quail. But “he did not exert himself,” Poindexter said. “He got out of the hunting vehicle and walked around some.’’
Law enforcement officials said Scalia attended a private party that night with the other guests and left to go to bed early. But Poindexter said that didn’t seem unusual: All of the guests were tired from traveling to the remote ranch, as well as the day’s other activities. Everyone was in bed by 10 p.m., he said.
Scalia’s behavior, Poindexter said, “was entirely natural and normal.’’
The next morning, Scalia did not show up for breakfast. Poindexter at first thought he might be sleeping late, but eventually he grew concerned. Late Saturday morning, he and one other person knocked on the door to Scalia’s room, an expansive suite called the “El Presidente.” When there was no answer, they went inside.
“Everything was in perfect order. He was in his pajamas, peacefully, in bed,” Poindexter said.
Emergency personnel and officials from the U.S. Marshals Service were called to the scene, then two local judges who also serve as justices of the peace, Guevara said. Both were out of town, she said — not unusual in a remote region where municipalities are miles apart.
Guevara also was out of town, but she said she agreed to declare Scalia dead based on the information from law enforcement officials and Scalia’s doctor, citing Texas laws that permit a justice of the peace to declare someone dead without seeing the body.
On Saturday evening, Scalia’s body was loaded into a hearse and escorted to the Sunset Funeral Home in El Paso by a procession of about 20 law enforcement officers. It arrived there about 2:30 a.m. Sunday, according to funeral home manager Chris Lujan. The funeral home is about 31/2 hours from the ranch where Scalia died.
About 3:30 a.m. Sunday, Scalia’s family declined to have an autopsy performed, Lujan said, so the body was being prepared for Scalia’s funeral and was expected to be transported to Washington on Monday. Late Sunday, it was under guard by six law enforcement officials, including U.S. marshals and Texas state troopers, he said.
Funeral arrangements for Scalia — a devoted Catholic who was given the last rites by a Catholic priest — were unclear Sunday.
February 15, 2016 at 4:05 pm #39032MackeyserModeratorThere would be too many obvious signs of suffocation if that happened.
Moreover, if the family had any issues, THEY could always order and independent autopsy. That has not been done.
So all of this conspiracy stuff flies in the face of what is likely a ton of forensic evidence that simply has not been presented to the public due to privacy reasons and in case an investigation were ever necessary.
How long, exactly, was Scalia supposed to live before his death was allowed to be natural? Is he only allowed to die at home, surrounded by Republicans and family with a Republican President in the White House in order to ensure that his death was natural?
I’m more willing than most to listen to alternative theories, but c’mon. Hell, when 9/11 happened, I held out and blasted the bogus government explanation about why the buildings collapsed and it wasn’t until the Purdue Univ. Engineering Dept put forth its findings that contradicted so much of the crap put out and actually explained so much of what happened, but also what people experienced that I got on board… because… evidence…science.
Scalia was a larger than life figure who didn’t exercise and someone who didn’t eat particularly healthy. He lived life FULLY… well, by many standards, even to those who disagreed mightily with him, but I bet if we could look at his internal organs, they’d be a damned disaster.
Let it go and remember Scalia for who he was to you.
Every death of a Republican isn’t a conspiracy.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
February 15, 2016 at 4:11 pm #39033bnwBlockedA supreme court justice unexpectedly dies in office. Despite your prejudice such a death deserves an autopsy.
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February 15, 2016 at 4:18 pm #39034znModeratorA supreme court justice unexpectedly dies in office. Despite your prejudice such a death deserves an autopsy.
According to whom? Those decisions are local. And I don’t have a “prejudice” against conspiracy theories, I have far more than that—I have complete disdain for them.
February 15, 2016 at 4:36 pm #39035bnwBlockedA supreme court justice unexpectedly dies in office. Despite your prejudice such a death deserves an autopsy.
According to whom? Those decisions are local. And I don’t have a “prejudice” against conspiracy theories, I have far more than that—I have complete disdain for them.
Prejudice comment wasn’t directed at you. You should have disdain for initial official narrative which has been shown to be misleading at best if not an outright lie far too often.
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February 15, 2016 at 4:37 pm #39037ZooeyModeratorA supreme court justice unexpectedly dies in office. Despite your prejudice such a death deserves an autopsy.
His family doesn’t agree with you.
But then, maybe they are in on it.
February 15, 2016 at 4:42 pm #39038bnwBlockedA supreme court justice unexpectedly dies in office. Despite your prejudice such a death deserves an autopsy.
His family doesn’t agree with you.
But then, maybe they are in on it.
Most families do not want an autopsy performed especially when it is described in detail which is why government orders most all autopsies in order to arrive at the real cause of death.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
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February 15, 2016 at 4:58 pm #39039ZooeyModeratorNot to change the subject, or anything, but here’s a petition to nominate Anita Hill (LOL):
https://www.change.org/p/nominate-anita-hill-for-supreme-court-justice?recruiter=40939820&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylinkFebruary 15, 2016 at 8:58 pm #39056MackeyserModeratorGuevara also was out of town, but she said she agreed to declare Scalia dead based on the information from law enforcement officials and Scalia’s doctor, citing Texas laws that permit a justice of the peace to declare someone dead without seeing the body.
See, based on information from Law Enforcement and Scalia’s Doctor.
Now… unless folks suspect a bunch of Texas Law Enforcement AND Scalia’s doctor now being part of this conspiracy…
The conspiracy falls apart.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
February 15, 2016 at 9:27 pm #39058bnwBlockedGuevara also was out of town, but she said she agreed to declare Scalia dead based on the information from law enforcement officials and Scalia’s doctor, citing Texas laws that permit a justice of the peace to declare someone dead without seeing the body.
See, based on information from Law Enforcement and Scalia’s Doctor.
Now… unless folks suspect a bunch of Texas Law Enforcement AND Scalia’s doctor now being part of this conspiracy…
The conspiracy falls apart.
Not at all. In fact it fans the flames. An autopsy would have ended most all speculation. As it stands it was merely legally dealt with in a backwater of a backwater county in Texas.
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February 15, 2016 at 9:42 pm #39061znModeratorIn fact it fans the flames.
There will be very few flames.
That’s my bet.
February 15, 2016 at 9:46 pm #39062ZooeyModeratorIn fact it fans the flames.
There will be very few flames.
That’s my bet.
That is exactly what Vince Foster said about Benghazi right before his emails turned up in Whitewater.
February 15, 2016 at 10:20 pm #39066znModeratorThat is exactly what Vince Foster said about Benghazi right before his emails turned up in Whitewater.
So, those are the guys who killed Scalia?
On email?
In Bengazzara?
.
February 15, 2016 at 10:36 pm #39067ZooeyModeratorThat is exactly what Vince Foster said about Benghazi right before his emails turned up in Whitewater.
So, those are the guys who killed Scalia?
On email?
In Bengazzara?
Yeah.
I got this feeling that an autopsy woulda been rigged somehow. By a coroner who got his job because of a jobs program financed by an Obama sympathizer.
And get this…
he was transferred to that county just a week ago.
February 16, 2016 at 7:02 am #39071wvParticipantIn fact it fans the flames.
There will be very few flames.
That’s my bet.
That is exactly what Vince Foster said about Benghazi right before his emails turned up in Whitewater.
Conspiracy dynamics are interesting to me. There seems
to be so much of it in the last ten years.
What accounts for it? Is ‘it’ increasing? Why
would that be? Does the internet have something
to do with it?I mean, even the network-suits are plugging into it.
The X Files kinda capitalized on this dynamic,
with its story lines, and other shows have as well.w
vFebruary 16, 2016 at 9:50 am #39073znModeratorThere seems
to be so much of it in the last ten years.Starting with Clinton, right-wing conspiracy theories are more prevalent and constant during democratic presidencies.
That’s at least in part because they are well-funded. There’s well-funded resources out there that sort of act like gas stations for people, and fuel the thing.
February 16, 2016 at 10:11 am #39076nittany ramModeratorIn fact it fans the flames.
There will be very few flames.
That’s my bet.
That is exactly what Vince Foster said about Benghazi right before his emails turned up in Whitewater.
Conspiracy dynamics are interesting to me. There seems
to be so much of it in the last ten years.
What accounts for it? Is ‘it’ increasing? Why
would that be? Does the internet have something
to do with it?I mean, even the network-suits are plugging into it.
The X Files kinda capitalized on this dynamic,
with its story lines, and other shows have as well.w
vI bet there’s tons of psychological and sociological stuff that plays into that, and yeah, the internet certainly helps promote this stuff. People distrust government. They distrust corporations. They distrust organised religion, etc. Often that distrust is legitimate but the conspiracy theorists’ response is way over-the-top. They’ll come up with a scenario that seems to fit the facts but ignore actual evidence or dismiss it as fake – because the authorities can’t be trusted. And because they refuse to believe contradicting evidence, conspiracies can never be disproven in their minds. Every conspiracy theory ever imagined still has its proponents.
February 16, 2016 at 11:14 am #39077bnwBlockedTheres a lot more than 10 but that will do for a start. Background in article.
Gulf of Tonkin Incident
Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
Project MKUltra
Operation Northwoods
CIA Drug Trafficking
Operation Mockingbird
COINTELPRO
Operation Snow White
Secret Global Economic Policies
The US Government Illegally Spies on its own citizenshttp://theantimedia.org/10-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true/
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