minor side-issue: no one will ever "win" the Schott debates

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  • #22165
    Avatar photozn
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    I thought Schott was solid. I think a lot of things put on him were context and execution and personnel issues. For example, in Tavon’s case, I thought Tavon was the main issue.

    But IMO it’s now simply not a “winnable” debate on either side. (Not saying anyone was losing sleep over it.)

    I think the offense WILL improve. I think guys like Tavon can step up in year 3 and do more. Not sure I EXPECT that but it is genuinely possible. Plus as wv points out, chances are Foles will SEE Tavon on those fly routes he runs sometimes. Speaking of which, Foles can clearly play better than Hill or Davis. The OL, with new additions, could make it through the season without a major injury storm and remain relatively healthy. The defense could make fewer game-costing, soul-killing mistakes, and so put the offense in a better position to win.

    If all that happens, I will say that’s execution and personnel; some will say it’s Cigz v. Schott. Yet of course no one (under the circumstances I describe here) could prove they are “right.”

    But then if they are winning, I doubt anyone will care if they are “right” about this or not.s Which is why I said this was a minor issue. Just a funny thing about discussion and posting over things that were at one point hot issues…sometimes, a debate can never be resolved. Not even time will tell.

    BTW I expect Cigz will be good. I would be surprised if he wasn’t. I have nothing to back that up with. It’s just a hunch.

    #22167
    sdram
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    I never actually minded shottee much. None of them are perfect.

    The OL, with new additions, could make it through the season without a major injury storm and remain relatively healthy.

    Yes, I think the OL performance this season will play a large part in whatever improvements they yield.

    Also, having a pro ready and healthy(I hope) QB in Foles should help with the improvement angle.

    Here’s to Health

    #22174
    Avatar photowv
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    I basically agree with all that.

    (especially the idea that there is no
    one-final-Holy-Truth about Shotty or whatever.
    This tiny board happens to be the best at taking
    that approach to conversation, btw)

    I probably am a few degrees closer to blaming
    Shotty for a few things than you are, but…enh.

    Tavon definitely has his execution-issues. Dropped balls, etc.
    But i suspect Shotty could have made things easier
    for Tavon. I dunno though.

    w
    v

    #22177
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    i suspect Shotty could have made things easier
    for Tavon

    That points to the one universal criticism of Schott I have seen that appears to hold up. His offense is too complicated. It builds variations into plays, relies on heavy sight adjustments, and the plays as called have a lot of verbiage and moving parts. They said that in New York; Fisher sort of said it himself when he talked about “simplifying.” My bet is that, yeah, something like that could contribute to Tavon’s slow emergence as a receiver. But I also think…he said, re-living the war that he himself just stated was not meaningful…that Tavon himself needs to refine his techniques and awareness as a route runner.

    #22180
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I thought that the first half of his rookie year he appeared to have tired legs. imo

    Last year he seemed to have ?some minor nagging injury. Anyway most of his first two years he did not seem to have the elite quickness that he displayed in college. imo

    I think he had a lot to learn. Bailey certainly caught on quicker. imo

    I liked shotty, mostly in the Red Zone. But, I was not always a fan of some of his play designs. Too often, they seemed to rely on fooling the opposition, is the best way I can put it.

    Agamemnon

    #22181
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    I liked shotty, mostly in the Red Zone. But, I was not always a fan of some of his play designs. Too often, they seemed to rely on fooling the opposition, is the best way I can put it.

    It’s true that he relied a lot on misdirection and deception. That to me was part of the whole “he’s predictable” thing too, paradoxically. He would run plays to the strength of the formation—meaning, if it was 3 TEs he would run, if it was 3 WRs he would throw–because he was trying to set up simple physical mismatches. But then just when you thought he was going to run another one up the middle, wham, they would throw a long pass to a blocking TE. That kind of thing. Run plays to the strength of the formation but do that as a way to set up big plays. That’s a very Schott thing. When it worked it worked.

    But then here I am STILL engaging in the debate I said that can’t be resolved now………… s

    I know! Let’s start a “what would happen if both Bradford and Schott stayed and they brought back a healthy Jake Long” discussion!

    Kidding. s

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    #22182
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I liked shotty, mostly in the Red Zone. But, I was not always a fan of some of his play designs. Too often, they seemed to rely on fooling the opposition, is the best way I can put it.

    It’s true that he relied a lot on misdirection and deception. That to me was part of the whole “he’s predictable” thing too, paradoxically. He would run plays to the strength of the formation—meaning, if it was 3 TEs he would run, if it was 3 WRs he would throw–because he was trying to set up simple physical mismatches. But then just when you thought he was going to run another one up the middle, wham, they would throw a long pass to a blocking TE. That kind of thing. Run plays to the strength of the formation but do that as a way to set up big plays. That’s a very Schott thing. When it worked it worked.

    But then here I am STILL engaging in the debate I said that can’t be resolved now………… s

    I know! Let’s start a “what would happen if both Bradford and Schott stayed and they brought back a healthy Jake Long” discussion!

    Kidding. s

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    I believe in playing better than the opponent. 😉 Unless you know exactly what he is thinking. Why fool yourself? Let the other guy do that.

    Agamemnon

    #22184
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    I believe in playing better than the opponent…

    I dont believe in gimmicks
    like that.

    w
    v
    “Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who’ll argue with you.”
    John Wooden

    #22185
    Avatar photoAgamemnon
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    I believe in playing better than the opponent…

    I dont believe in gimmicks
    like that.

    w
    v
    “Whatever you do in life, surround yourself with smart people who’ll argue with you.”
    John Wooden

    Your right, I really believe in playing worse than my opponents and then beating them. That makes them feel real bad. 😉

    Agamemnon

    #22186
    Avatar photowv
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    Your right, I really believe in playing worse than my opponents and then beating them. That makes them feel real bad.

    Exactly.
    Thats the sign of a good team —
    Play like shit,
    and still win.

    w
    v

    #22191
    Avatar photoInvaderRam
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    i’m not sad he’s gone. i don’t consider it a loss.

    but i also don’t blame him for the problems the rams had last season.

    stating the obvious, but injuries probably forced schotty to do a lot of things he didn’t necessarily want to do.

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