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  • August 22, 2017 at 1:52 pm #73019
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    Mike Martz, former Rams HC joins Mornings back peddles about his supposed comments on Sean McVay and discusses the learning curve for Sean McVay ahead.

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    August 22, 2017 at 2:01 pm #73020
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    Adam Schefter, ESPN NFL Analyst comes on and talks about the comments of Mike Martz, Goff’s performance last Saturday , Odell Beckham Jr.’s injury and more.

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    August 22, 2017 at 2:10 pm #73021
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    Agamemnon wrote:

    Mike Martz…back peddles about his supposed comments on Sean McVay

    Here are his original comments:

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    FROM: Jared Goff has the tools to succeed, but does he have the right environment?
    Former NFL head coach and offensive guru Mike Martz expressed serious reservations about whether the Rams quarterback can be successful.

    https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/22/16182350/jared-goff-rams-sean-mcvay-mike-martz

    “I didn’t see anything wrong with them. They were both terrific prospects. I told them I hope and pray they go someplace where they develop quarterbacks.”

    In Martz’s estimation, Goff did not while Wentz did.

    You have a high-value guy like that and he went to the worst offensive place, the Rams.
    “Jared Goff?” asked Martz. “I don’t know if he can play or not, but I do know he couldn’t have gone to a worse place. If you took him and switched him with Dak Prescott in Dallas, who knows what would have happened for Goff there. Goff at Cal came from an offense where they ran as many plays as they could—fast. Jared in college did an amazing job of throwing a true ball off balance, under duress, making things happen. You knew the speed of the NFL would throw that kind of timing off. But he still throws a true ball. The Rams wanted to re-wire him to what? I watched the Rams offense last season. It was awful football. There was nobody there on that staff that could teach him, develop him. You have a high-value guy like that and he went to the worst offensive place, the Rams.”

    The Rams 2016 season top offensive coaches were assistant head coach/offense Rob Boras and quarterbacks coach Chris Weinke.

    Martz was asked if he believed new Rams head coach Sean McVay can make a difference for Goff.

    “What is he, a couple of months older than Jared? They hired a buddy for Jared. The NFL has nothing to do with being the friend or the buddy of the quarterback. You’ve got to coach them and work them hard with respect. But buddy? And this guy is a quarterback expert? An offensive expert? Wait a minute while I puke. Right, he’s going to be able to teach and handle and guide Jared through tough times because of all of his expertise and knowledge? Right. I’m not going to drink that Kool-Aid.”

    Martz said he does not know much about Philadelphia’s offensive staff, but he does know it consists of Frank Reich, a former long-time NFL quarterback, and others with textured offensive backgrounds.

    August 22, 2017 at 2:29 pm #73022
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    On the radio, he denies he used the words attributed to him though he did say he said (something along the lines of) McVay’s youth is something that has to be explained.

    He states that the quotation attributed to him is embellished and that he would never say anything that way BUT that the basic premise is valid–yes not knowing McVay, he has questions about why such a young head coach.

    August 22, 2017 at 4:10 pm #73029
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    Yeah, reading that, I don’t have a problem with it.

    So he pulled a bit of the Drama Queen. I’m not taking that personally. That was just hyperbole. And it’s true. Goff was put on a very shitty offense with an OC who was incompetent. IMO. I think he undersells McVay a bit, but I think calling McVay an offensive genius IS Kool-aid at this point. He has to prove himself as a head coach, so I’m fine with Martz here.

    August 22, 2017 at 4:48 pm #73034
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    Zooey wrote:

    Yeah, reading that, I don’t have a problem with it.

    So he pulled a bit of the Drama Queen. I’m not taking that personally. That was just hyperbole. And it’s true. Goff was put on a very shitty offense with an OC who was incompetent. IMO. I think he undersells McVay a bit, but I think calling McVay an offensive genius IS Kool-aid at this point. He has to prove himself as a head coach, so I’m fine with Martz here.

    Except he denies he said it the way it’s quoted. That’s what the radio broadcast is about.

    And remember, the print quotation doesn’t say that calling McVay a genius is kool-aid. It says (basically) that assuming he is competent and qualified to be a head coach with a young qb is kool-aid.

    August 22, 2017 at 5:13 pm #73035
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    August 22, 2017 at 6:36 pm #73037
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    the chances that mcvay is competent? i don’t know. it can’t be high. he IS only 31 years old.

    the chances that this could all blow up in the rams’ faces? let’s see. the youngest coach in modern nfl history. a 22 year old quarterback coming from a system with no track record for success. a creaky offensive line where the right side has looked shaky at best and a center who hasn’t even started for the past 2 years… ehhh. the chances are more likely than not that this will not work out. especially when you consider this is the rams we’re talking about. i hate to say it.

    but i remain an optimist. i believe gurley will come back despite what the past 24 games have shown us. and i believe that watkins will remain healthy for an entire season. i believe that a 35 year old left tackle still has another probowl season in him. i believe a third round wide receiver is the next great slot receiver of this generation. i believe in these tight ends who have a collective 7 games of starting experience between the three of them…

    and ummm… yes. i hope.

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    August 22, 2017 at 7:02 pm #73040
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    InvaderRam wrote:

    a creaky offensive line where the right side has looked shaky at best

    I think that part could be premature.

    You might be interested in the last 2 posts in this thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/how-fare-brown-havenstein/

    August 22, 2017 at 7:22 pm #73043
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    zn wrote:

    I think that part could be premature.

    You might be interested in the last 2 posts in this thread: http://theramshuddle.com/topic/how-fare-brown-havenstein/

    fair enough. but if i wasn’t such a huge rams fan, i would be looking at this team and rolling my eyes…

    honestly. probably not diplomatic of martz with his comments. the way they were put. but he raises good questions.

    i know among the media peter schrager is drinking the kool aid.

    but hell. why not? why not drink the kool aid? unless it’s actual kool aid spiked with actual poison. right?

    link: http://www.therams.com/videos/videos/3-Reasons-Why-Kupp-Will-Have-100-Receptions/26890843-4e93-4376-8de1-496b810b6f2c

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    August 22, 2017 at 8:50 pm #73053
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    McVay responds:

    http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=20421654

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    August 22, 2017 at 11:03 pm #73063
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    At least Mcvay understands that turnovers are a problem. Just saying.

    August 23, 2017 at 1:44 am #73069
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    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20419341/former-nfl-coach-mike-martz-says-book-criticism-sean-mcvay-was-embellished

    Thomas George, the author of the book, stands by his writing.

    “At no point in a 48-minute phone interview on April 21st for ‘Blitzed’ did Mike Martz request any off the record comments or restrain from offering his strong opinions on a variety of NFL quarterbacking subjects, including Rams head coach Sean McVay and quarterback Jared Goff,” George said in a statement. “His quotes in today’s book excerpts on SBNation are completely, 100 percent accurate.”

    August 23, 2017 at 8:41 am #73074
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    I’m assuming this little tempest-in-a-crockpot will end
    with a nice televised, PR-managed, photo-shoot of Martz and McV
    holding hands, smiling at each other and talking about mutual respect.

    In the meantime lets hope young McV can
    actually develop quarterbacks.

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    August 23, 2017 at 8:55 am #73077
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    Mike Martz tees off on Jared Goff, Sean McVay

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    Mike Martz tees off on Jared Goff, Sean McVay

    Former Rams coach Mike Martz has no warm or fuzzy feelings for the franchise’s current coach or possible franchise quarterback.

    In an excerpt from Thomas George’s Blitzed: Why NFL Teams Gamble on Starting Rookie Quarterbacks, Martz unloads on both Jared Goff and Sean McVay.

    “I don’t know if he can play or not, but I do know he couldn’t have gone to a worse place,” Martz said of Goff, via SBNation.com. “If you took him and switched him with Dak Prescott in Dallas, who knows what would have happened for Goff there? Goff at Cal came from an offense where they ran as many plays as they could — fast. Jared in college did an amazing job of throwing a true ball off balance, under duress, making things happen. You knew the speed of the NFL would throw that kind of timing off. But he still throws a true ball. The Rams wanted to rewire him to what?

    “I watched the Rams offense last season. It was awful football. There was nobody there on that staff that could teach him, develop him. You have a high-value guy like that and he went to the worst offensive place, the Rams.”

    Now, the Rams have wunderkind Sean McVay, who helped get the most out of Kirk Cousins the past two years in Washington.

    “What is he, a couple of months older than Jared?” Martz said. (McVay is nine years old than Goff.) “They hired a buddy for Jared. The NFL has nothing to do with being the friend or the buddy of the quarterback. You’ve got to coach them and work them hard with respect. But buddy? And this guy is a quarterback expert? An offensive expert? Wait a minute while I puke. Right, he’s going to be able to teach and handle and guide Jared through tough times because of all of his expertise and knowledge? Right. I’m not going to drink that Kool-Aid.”

    Martz sounds like he’s been drinking something stronger. He comes off as stereotypical Glory Days grump who resents a younger coach doing a job that Martz surely believes he could do better right now. But McVay has been successful as a coordinator, the same path Martz took to become a marginally successful head coach.

    Yes, Martz took the Rams to a Super Bowl after succeeding Dick Vermeil after Super Bowl XXXIV. However, the Rams arguably should have been to more — and should have won at least one — with Martz at the helm. Instead, Martz had a variety of conflicts within the organization, ultimately alienating future Hall of Famer Kurt Warner and, eventually, moving on from him. The Rams later moved on from Martz, who never received serious head-coaching consideration again.

    It’s unclear why Martz has a problem with McVay. Per a league source, the two men have met briefly only once. Thus, this one possibly can be chalked up to good, old-fashioned old-man resentment of the guy who is getting it down without having to walk five miles in the snow. Uphill. Each way.

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