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  • #60020
    Mackeyser
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    It’s a video prior to the Election. Here’s one of the few economists that I can stomach. He’s…amazing.

    It’s 90 minutes… it’s about the depth of a TED talk, meaning that it’s accessible to those not within the economic academic community, but it will stand up to critique from those with an economic background.

    I find his lack of partisan approach to be essential to understanding both the economic and social aspects to the various phenomena he discusses.

    Would love to discuss if anyone has the time.

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    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #60039
    bnw
    Blocked

    I can’t now but I might just give it ago after halftime of the Rams game this sunday.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #60040
    wv
    Participant

    I watched half of it, and thought he was just excellent. I’ll have to check out the rest later.

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    In general, the deployment of austerity as economic policy has been as effective in bringing us peace, prosperity, and crucially, a sustained reduction of debt, as the Mongol Golden Horde was in furthering the development of Olympic dressage.”
    ― Mark Blyth, Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea

    Aside from France, I was baffled by the puzzle of Sweden and other Nordic states, which are often offered as paragons of the large state “that works”—the government represents a large portion of the total economy. How could we have the happiest nation in the world, Denmark (assuming happiness is both measurable and desirable), and a monstrously large state? Is it that these countries are all smaller than the New York metropolitan area? Until my coauthor, the political scientist Mark Blyth, showed me that there, too, was a false narrative: it was almost the same story as in Switzerland (but with a worse climate and no good ski resorts). The state exists as a tax collector, but the money is spent in the communes themselves, directed by the communes—for, say, skills training locally determined as deemed necessary by the community themselves, to respond to private demand for workers. The economic elites have more freedom than in most other democracies—this is far from the statism one can assume from the outside.”
    ― Nassim Nicholas Taleb, Antifragile: Things that Gain from Disorder

    “…raising the average income tax for the top income percentile to 43.5 percent from 22.4 percent, the level of 2007, would raise revenue by 3 percent of GDP, which is enough to close the US structural deficit while still leaving very high earners with more after-tax income than they would have had under Nixon.”
    ― Mark Blyth, Austerity: The History of a Dangerous Idea

    #60049
    wv
    Participant

    I thot what he said at the 28 through 35 mark is worth listening to.

    Essentially he said the marginalized workers all over the globe voted for racist-bricks-through-the-windows, UNLESS they had a legit leftist option….

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    #60056
    wv
    Participant

    A five minute vid. Wait for the punch line at the end:

    #60059
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Right?

    Amazing punch line. I watched the full 90 minute vid that was derived from. The Hillary apologist next him was….worthless. She grated on my ear nubs.

    His concision and precision in describing these economic phenomena is fantastic.

    If I’d had a prof like him, I’d have stuck with Econ.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #60077
    zn
    Moderator

    Good thread.

    #60200
    Zooey
    Moderator

    I watched all of it. I enjoyed it a lot.

    I thought he was very good on explaining the Trumpets. I previously agreed with him on Trump’s appeal here, but was very interested in his knowledge of how the same thing is happening throughout Europe, and how it is manifesting in right wing populism when there is no left wing alternative. That was interesting…and worrying. I thought he was also good on the entire post WWI sweep of economics. I think he might have added that Europe and America were on different courses, though up until 1980. Well, that’s what I think, anyway. I think post WWII Europe, in particular, clearly headed in a more socially equitable direction than America did. And I think the Reagan/Thatcher alliance was the beginning of Europe being “neo-liberalised” American-style. The destruction of unions was crucial to our current circumstances.

    I was curious about his comment that after WWII, the west pushed for Full Employment because, of course, that was happening in the Eastern bloc, and so to cut off any interest in a shift to the left at that turning point in history, capital kind of took care of the working and middle classes so they wouldn’t “get any ideas.”

    I am also interested in this idea of “mincome.” I have heard that it has been implemented somewhere in Europe – I don’t remember where. Such a concept is anathema to Americans, of course, who have been trained to think their virtue is measured by how much of their life they spend working. I can’t see the idea gaining traction here, but I would love to know more about that.

    And…yeah…on the short video WV posted. Isn’t that just the perfect stat to unveil to all those people who think raising the minimum wage will cost business too much?

    #60524
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    When I get home, I’ll post some more vids. Honestly, his perspective isn’t so much fresh because it’s new or different or innovative, but it simply acknowledges what’s real, what actually happened in recent and near history and looks at the actual economic data with a dispassionate eye.

    Contrast him with someone like two Nobel laureates, both of whom are frauds to me, Milton Friedman and Paul Krugman.

    Both when projecting their “ideologies” have seen disastrous results.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

    #60526
    Zooey
    Moderator

    I used to like Krugman.

    #60531
    Mackeyser
    Moderator

    Maybe I wasn’t looking closely enough or he simply let the facade slip, but he clearly showed his neoliberal orientation.

    That was bad enough, but he really became a partisan hack who devolved into little more than a pundit during this election cycle.

    I knew he was done when his basic answer to the economist who disputed his blanket dismissal of one of Sanders’ proposals was to, rather than bring evidence or contradictory data, to say, “do you know who I am?”

    That was Krugman jumping the shark.

    Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.

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