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November 11, 2016 at 2:12 pm #57758— X —Participant
But religion is about fairy stories
What do you believe? What’s the origin and ultimate meaning of life?
In 4 words or less, please.You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 11, 2016 at 2:19 pm #57760wvParticipantBut religion is about fairy stories
What do you believe? What’s the origin and ultimate meaning to life?
In 4 words or less, please.——————
Mystery. Embrace the Mystery.
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“There are no others.”
Ramana Maharshi.November 11, 2016 at 2:26 pm #57762PA RamParticipantJust a personal note on religion.
I am not a religious person. I do quite like eastern philosophy involved in Taoism or Buddhism, but my own take on religion personally is sort of its own thing.
Anyway, when it comes to THIS country—what we really mean by freedom of religion is one religion: Christianity. What would happen, I wonder, if excerpts of the Koran were posted at a school or Federal building. My guess is that the fundies would lose their minds. They are already desperately in fear of Sharia law.
It has happened before, of course. In the 1800s when the Protestants were in the majority they hated and feared all the Catholic immigrants. Again–they wanted THEIR religion. And they were both Christian religions!
So when people talk about freedom of religion they do not mean the Hindus, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Jews or even the Scientologists.
They will tell you it is a Christian nation as if that explains everything. Well–before that it was a very different nation with different people and different religions. And the founding fathers were basically deists. But yes–much of those who fought in the war were Christians. The founding fathers tried to word everything very carefully but certainly there was pressure even then from the Christians.
So lets be clear about that.
With a nation of diverse religions–as the Constitution allows, they knew that any sort of overlap of Church and State would be divisive. They were very wise in that regard.
No one is taking away anyone’s religious freedom. They’re just keeping it separate from the State. The world had been there before, when it wasn’t. They’ve seen the results. We can even see it now.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 11, 2016 at 3:06 pm #57768— X —ParticipantI am not a religious person. I do quite like eastern philosophy involved in Taoism or Buddhism, but my own take on religion personally is sort of its own thing.
Nice. Can you expand a little on what your own thing means?
So when people talk about freedom of religion they do not mean the Hindus, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Jews or even the Scientologists.
I do. I’ve been to mass, I’ve been to a Christian mega-church, I’ve been to temple, I’ve been to the Church of Scientology in downtown WPB (and barely escaped), I once dated a chick who was hardcore Wiccan, and I’m currently learning from a Roshi. That’s not all-encompassing, but it’s a pretty good mix. The prevailing message is peace when distilled down to its purest form. I want all of them to have the freedom to practice without interference from anybody. I want communities to benefit from those freedoms, and for those communities to expand and grow and reach out and do good. But you’re right that there are a lot of people who view Freedom of Religion to mean freedom to worship only ‘the One True God.’ But hey, as long as they can learn to be tolerant of other peaceful religions, then whatever. Believe there’s only one Caucasian God.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 11, 2016 at 3:37 pm #57769bnwBlockedBut religion is about fairy stories
What do you believe? What’s the origin and ultimate meaning to life?
In 4 words or less, please.——————
Mystery. Embrace the Mystery.
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v
“There are no others.”
Ramana Maharshi.Love your dumbass neighbor.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 11, 2016 at 3:44 pm #57771wvParticipantLove your dumbass neighbor.
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Ahh. I like it. Common ground, finally. 🙂
I would add
“love your dum-ass self,
and love your dum-ass neighbor”Then again, those nice sayings fall apart
when it comes to choosing political polices and systems, dont they?I mean some folks dont want to spend tax dollars on ‘welfare’ right?
All those nice sayings dont help anyone resolve political differences. Do they? Yes? No?
Ah well.
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vNovember 11, 2016 at 4:06 pm #57773bnwBlockedLove your dumbass neighbor.
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Ahh. I like it. Common ground, finally.
I would add
“love your dum-ass self,
and love your dum-ass neighbor”Then again, those nice sayings fall apart
when it comes to choosing political polices and systems, dont they?I mean some folks dont want to spend tax dollars on ‘welfare’ right?
All those nice sayings dont help anyone resolve political differences. Do they? Yes? No?
Ah well.
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vShouldn’t equate love with money, nor money with service.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 11, 2016 at 4:43 pm #57775nittany ramModeratorI am not a religious person. I do quite like eastern philosophy involved in Taoism or Buddhism, but my own take on religion personally is sort of its own thing.
Nice. Can you expand a little on what your own thing means?
So when people talk about freedom of religion they do not mean the Hindus, the Muslims, the Buddhists, the Jews or even the Scientologists.
I do. I’ve been to mass, I’ve been to a Christian mega-church, I’ve been to temple, I’ve been to the Church of Scientology in downtown WPB (and barely escaped), I once dated a chick who was hardcore Wiccan, and I’m currently learning from a Roshi. That’s not all-encompassing, but it’s a pretty good mix. The prevailing message is peace when distilled down to its purest form. I want all of them to have the freedom to practice without interference from anybody. I want communities to benefit from those freedoms, and for those communities to expand and grow and reach out and do good. But you’re right that there are a lot of people who view Freedom of Religion to mean freedom to worship only ‘the One True God.’ But hey, as long as they can learn to be tolerant of other peaceful religions, then whatever. Believe there’s only one Caucasian God.
I’ve attended Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, Unitarian and Brethren services.
I also attended a taping of “The PTL Club” with Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.
My mother was a big fan so we stopped at their studios in Virginia on the drive back from a vacation in Florida. I was only 14 or so at the time. I don’t remember much but what I do remember was surreal. We were seated in upper part of the balcony. I remember a young boy walking down to the front of the balcony to take a picture of the stage where Jim and Tammy Faye were. Before he could even get the viewfinder to his eye, a couple security guys grabbed it from him and confiscated it. The boy ran crying back to his mother. I don’t know if they ever gave the camera back to the kid. I just know I couldn’t wait to get out of there. It felt very ‘cultish’ to me.
In college I dated a girl who said she was a witch. She told me she was 400 years old. She was a computer science major. Very smart and pretty. I went to her apartment once and she had lit candles everywhere. She dumped me pretty quickly though. She was into motorcycle guys and I was a VW Beetle guy.
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November 11, 2016 at 5:39 pm #57783— X —ParticipantI’ve attended Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic, Unitarian and Brethren services.
I also attended a taping of “The PTL Club” with Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.
My mother was a big fan so we stopped at their studios in Virginia on the drive back from a vacation in Florida. I was only 14 or so at the time. I don’t remember much but what I do remember was surreal. We were seated in upper part of the balcony. I remember a young boy walking down to the front of the balcony to take a picture of the stage where Jim and Tammy Faye were. Before he could even get the viewfinder to his eye, a couple security guys grabbed it from him and confiscated it. The boy ran crying back to his mother. I don’t know if they ever gave the camera back to the kid. I just know I couldn’t wait to get out of there. It felt very ‘cultish’ to me.
In college I dated a girl who said she was a witch. She told me she was 400 years old. She was a computer science major. Very smart and pretty. I went to her apartment once and she had lit candles everywhere. She dumped me pretty quickly though. She was into motorcycle guys and I was a VW Beetle guy.
Those are cool stories, man. Thanks for sharing them.
I’ll post a follow-up of my experiences at a later date.
It’ll be fairly voluminous.You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 11, 2016 at 6:16 pm #57785wvParticipantI also attended a taping of “The PTL Club” with Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker.
My mother was a big fan so we stopped at their studios in Virginia on the drive back from a vacation in Florida. I was only 14 or so at the time. I don’t remember much but what I do remember was surreal. We were seated in upper part of the balcony. I remember a young boy walking down to the front of the balcony to take a picture of the stage where Jim and Tammy Faye were. Before he could even get the viewfinder to his eye, a couple security guys grabbed it from him and confiscated it. The boy ran crying back to his mother. I don’t know if they ever gave the camera back to the kid. I just know I couldn’t wait to get out of there. It felt very ‘cultish’ to me.
In college I dated a girl who said she was a witch. She told me she was 400 years old. She was a computer science major. Very smart and pretty. I went to her apartment once and she had lit candles everywhere. She dumped me pretty quickly though. She was into motorcycle guys and I was a VW Beetle guy.
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“Why do we people in churches seem like cheerful, brainless tourists on a packaged tour of the Absolute?”
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vNovember 11, 2016 at 6:48 pm #57789TSRFParticipantReligion in 4 words?
“There are no gods”
November 11, 2016 at 7:05 pm #57791— X —ParticipantReligion in 4 words?
“There are no gods”
Except for the 12 in Ancient Greece. I’d love to hop in a time machine and just walk around listening to people worshiping all of those different deities. Of them all, I think Bacchus would have been my choice.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 11, 2016 at 9:53 pm #57800TSRFParticipantI was going to quote the minister from Caddy Shack after he got hit by lightning, “There is no God!” but decided to be more general.
Before I swore off gods of all types, I was a fan of the Norse gods. I liked Tyr in particular. He was the bravest, and put his hand in Fenris the wolf’s mouth when he was bound. Once the wolf realized he had been tricked, he bit Tyr’s hand off.
I thought that was a lot cooler than all the “Prince of Peace” crap the nuns were preaching. Maybe I’m a pagan. Definitely a heathen…
November 11, 2016 at 10:25 pm #57802znModeratorHe was the bravest, and put his hand in Fenris the wolf’s mouth when he was bound. Once the wolf realized he had been tricked, he bit Tyr’s hand off.
It’s an allegory. The wolf is Tony Banks. Tyr is Vermeil.
November 11, 2016 at 11:11 pm #57803JackPMillerParticipantI am a little scared of this Trump. He talked about Muslims that live in this country, and deporting them. Muslim is a religion not a race. Talked about Mexicans as being rapists. He even made fun of a reporter who has a disability. Not comfortable with that. If I had my wish, Michelle Obama would be our President in 2020 & 2024. Just saying. The greatest First Lady in American history, as our future President. That is what we need.
November 11, 2016 at 11:59 pm #57807PA RamParticipantPA Ram wrote:
I am not a religious person. I do quite like eastern philosophy involved in Taoism or Buddhism, but my own take on religion personally is sort of its own thing.Nice. Can you expand a little on what your own thing means?
Okay–but first a little bit of my religious history.
My mother took me to church during a phase in my childhood—perhaps between 6-10. It wasn’t very regular attendance but we would go to a Methodist church and I guess I was okay with it at that time. But my mother was never one to push religion. I suppose she was more distantly religious. She believed. She loved Gospel music and country music. But she wasn’t a Bible reader or zealot. It was just…there. I just don’t think she thought about it much.
So during that phase I believed in Jesus but, like her, didn’t think much about it.
Around age 12, two things happened. I became interested in magic as a hobby, and developed an interest in supernatural phenomena. I read about astral projection, E.S.P. Hans Holzer books about ghost hunting and on and on. This stuff was cool. Very cool. But being also interested in magic as a hobby, I became very skeptical. I knew how things could “look” but that “looks” weren’t always reality.
This led me to atheism. I didn’t believe in any of it–anything.
I became VERY interested in science and REAL answers.
And I was that way for a very very long time. Then–in my early thirties, I believe, I read “The Tao of Physics”. It was the first book I read that compared science thought to similarities in eastern thought. Buddhism wasn’t science. But it was radically different from western religion. I became a sort of but not really Buddhist. I read some books on that.
But any organized religion can be used to control, with leaders who can manipulate people for their own purposes. Buddhism was freer in many ways than Christianity…but it was still a religion. Still–it could also be looked at as a philosophy and that’s what I really fell in love with.
So I became” spiritual”.
I was inspired by Buddhism heavily and I came to believe what I pretty much believe today:
There is no “personal” god. God isn’t up there worrying about PA Ram today…or guiding his life. PA Ram is just a tiny part of nature…along with everything else.
I don’t believe there is a creator god, exactly.
In fact, I don’t really believe”god” is a being at all. I view it as a process.
But the more I try to fence in this process in a description of words…the further I get from it.
I believe “god” is non-verbal.
If there is a book of God it is simply nature itself. It isn’t something broken down into manmade language. It’s more about feelings. And I could never convey that to you. It’s a very personal thing. There can be a moment when I “find god” and another when I don’t.
I don’t particularly worship it, but I respect it and can be in awe of it.
I don’t fear it. I couldn’t follow a God I had to fear.
I think the closer man gets to defining God in a certain way–the further he removes himself from it. So there’s no point in trying.
And none of it matters. I do have this sense of spirituality and I choose to keep it. The dark, hopeless musings of Richard Dawkins are not quite enough for me. They are for some. Not for me. I love science. But I keep thinking it’s missing, something. I keep thinking it just will never quite capture that thing for me, and it doesn’t care or want to.
And in that space, I find god.
But again–and this is the most important thing: it doesn’t matter. I don’t live for the afterlife. I just live for now. I think of the future now–here and hope I can make things better but when PA Ram is gone–he’s gone. (And here comes a Buddhist thing: Impermanence.)
Everything is changing and impermanent. Including me.
And god doesn’t care because it’s all part of the process. And so am I.
I realize this will read like the ramblings of a madman–but, as I said–words fail. God is non-verbal. Expressing what it means to me in words is futile.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 12, 2016 at 12:27 am #57810JackPMillerParticipantLet’s not forget, I have seen on the net that the KKK are planning parades for Trump’s victory. One is in North Carolina. That is disgusting. Hoping the state will not allow them to do it. Same goes with other states as well. Can’t let it to be Amerikkka. That is what we are seeing.
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November 12, 2016 at 12:42 am #57813— X —ParticipantI realize this will read like the ramblings of a madman–but, as I said–words fail. God is non-verbal. Expressing what it means to me in words is futile.
Nope. You’re on the path.
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You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 12, 2016 at 12:47 am #57815— X —ParticipantLet’s not forget, I have seen on the net that the KKK are planning parades for Trump’s victory. One is in North Carolina. That is disgusting. Hoping the state will not allow them to do it. Same goes with other states as well. Can’t let it to be Amerikkka. That is what we are seeing.
Yeah, that’s what we need to worry about. Assembly.
Not stuff like this.You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 12, 2016 at 1:08 am #57817znModeratorLet’s not forget, I have seen on the net that the KKK are planning parades for Trump’s victory. One is in North Carolina. That is disgusting. Hoping the state will not allow them to do it. Same goes with other states as well. Can’t let it to be Amerikkka. That is what we are seeing.
Yeah, that’s what we need to worry about. Assembly.
Not stuff like this.If you do a search for recent vids showing racist incidents in the wake of election, there are many. Many, many. Here’s a few more. I submit that we are far more likely to have to worry about stuff like this:
November 12, 2016 at 1:15 am #57819— X —ParticipantIf you do a search for recent vids showing racist incidents in the wake of election, there are many. Many, many. Here’s a few more. I submit that we are far more likely to have to worry about stuff like this:
Certainly possible. There are shitbags on both sides here. I hear the “they go low, we go high” crowd across America is now resting in order to gear up for a weekend melee – er, I mean peaceful demonstration – wherein they’ll damage more struggling small businesses, destroy people’s personal property (cars, etc), hurl objects at the police, and attack their detractors. Of course that will all be made right by their “Love Trumps Hate” signs they’ll proudly display as they spew their profanity-laden hate-speech into the ambient air. I must say, the “Fuck Trump Steaks” chant was truly inspired.
Ah, love.
The only force truly capable of transforming an enemy into a friend.
God bless’m.You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 12, 2016 at 1:28 am #57821znModeratorIf you do a search for recent vids showing racist incidents in the wake of election, there are many. Many, many. Here’s a few more. I submit that we are far more likely to have to worry about stuff like this:
Certainly possible. There are shitbags on both sides here. I hear the “they go low, we go high” crowd across America is now resting in order to gear up for a weekend melee – er, I mean peaceful demonstration – wherein they’ll damage more struggling small businesses, destroy people’s personal property (cars, etc), hurl objects at the police, and attack their detractors. Of course that will all be made right by their “Love Trumps Hate” signs they’ll proudly display as they spew their profanity-laden hate-speech into the ambient air. I must say, the “Fuck Trump Steaks” chant was truly inspired.
Ah, love.
The only force truly capable of transforming an enemy into a friend.
God bless’m.It’s a volatile time, and things can get worse. But I have to say, I know people who were in post-election protests in Portland Maine. None of the stuff you are describing happened. I have friends all over the country in just such protests. They’re not regressing into riots (a couple did). So I don’t think the riot part is representative. This is national. The peaceful protests, however, tend to just end up on local news.
http://wgme.com/news/local/hundreds-gather-in-portland-to-protest-trumps-victory
November 12, 2016 at 1:31 am #57822— X —ParticipantIt’s a volatile time, and things can get worse. But I have to say, I know people who were in post-election protests in Portland Maine. None of the stuff you are describing happened.
Oh yeah? Know anyone in Portland Oregon?
About 4,000 protesters assembled downtown late Thursday chanting “we reject the president-elect!” the Associated Press reported. Some among the crowd vandalized 19 cars at a dealership in Northeast Portland, according to a sales manager, Oregonlive.com reports. Protesters then headed west, over the Broadway Bridge and into the Pearl District, where the windows of several businesses were smashed.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 12, 2016 at 1:42 am #57825znModeratorIt’s a volatile time, and things can get worse. But I have to say, I know people who were in post-election protests in Portland Maine. None of the stuff you are describing happened.
Oh yeah? Know anyone in Portland Oregon?
About 4,000 protesters assembled downtown late Thursday chanting “we reject the president-elect!” the Associated Press reported. Some among the crowd vandalized 19 cars at a dealership in Northeast Portland, according to a sales manager, Oregonlive.com reports. Protesters then headed west, over the Broadway Bridge and into the Pearl District, where the windows of several businesses were smashed
Well remember I said, I have friends all over the country in just such protests. They’re not regressing into riots (a couple did). Portland Oregon is one place I had in mind when I said a couple did break down that way. I don;t know what happened there yet, I just know it broke down.
But protest is far more prevalent than violence and riots. There were literally hundreds of protests across the country like the one in Maine. Now I have not spent a good hour researching this, but what I gather so far is that the peaceful protests are far (far) more common.
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Anti-Trump protests erupt in Washington, DC
http://www.kolotv.com/content/news/Police-call-Oregon-Trump-protest-riot-400794911.html
The demonstrations stretched into a third straight night Thursday and came to a head in Portland, Oregon, where thousands of marchers chanted, “We reject the president-elect!” while some lit firecrackers, sparked small blazes and used rocks and baseball bats to break the glass of businesses and vehicles parked at dealerships.
Officers began pushing back against the crowd that threw glass bottles and a trash can, making 26 arrests and using flash-bang devices and pepper spray to force people to disperse.
In Los Angeles, protests were mostly peaceful, but 185 people were arrested, mostly for blocking streets, Officer Norma Eisenman said. An officer was injured near police headquarters, leading to one arrest, but Eisenman had no details about the circumstances or the injury. The officer was released after treatment.
The persisting protests led Trump himself to fire back, tweeting: “Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!”
His supporters also took to social media to accuse protesters of sour grapes and refusing to respect the democratic process, though there were no significant counterprotests.
In Portland, police termed the protest a riot after some 4,000 people surged into the downtown area. After giving several orders to leave, officers fired rubber baton rounds. It was not clear if anyone was hurt.
In Denver, protesters made their way onto Interstate 25, stopping traffic for about a half-hour. They also briefly shut down highways in Minneapolis and Los Angeles.
In downtown San Francisco, high school students called out “not my president” as they marched, holding signs urging a Trump eviction. They waved rainbow banners and Mexican flags, as bystanders in the heavily Democratic city gave them high-fives.
“As a white, queer person, we need unity with people of color, we need to stand up,” said Claire Bye, a 15-year-old sophomore at Academy High School. “I’m fighting for my rights as an LGBTQ person. I’m fighting for the rights of brown people, black people, Muslim people.”
Nearby in Oakland, a group got into some shoving matches with police and 11 people were arrested. Protesters lit street fires, smashed windows and sprayed graffiti on at least seven businesses.
In New York City and Chicago, large groups gathered outside Trump Tower. In New York, they chanted angry slogans and waved banners bearing anti-Trump messages. Police still stood guard Friday on Fifth Avenue.
“You got everything straight up and down the line,” demonstrator David Thomas said. “You got climate change, you got the Iran deal. You got gay rights, you got mass deportations. Just everything, straight up and down the line, the guy is wrong on every issue.”
In Philadelphia, protesters near City Hall held signs saying, “Not Our President,” ”Trans Against Trump” and “Make America Safe For All.” Officers on bikes blocked traffic for a march that spanned four street lanes and drew parents with children in strollers.
Jeanine Feito, 23, held a sign reading, “Not 1 more deportation.” The Temple University student said she acknowledges Trump as president-elect but does not accept it.
“I’m Cuban-American. My parents are immigrants, and I’m also a woman. These are things Trump doesn’t stand for,” Feito said. “He’s bullied us, discriminated against us, is racist and encourages violence. I think it’s important we stand together and fight against this.”
About 500 people turned out at a protest in Louisville, Kentucky, while hundreds in Baltimore marched to the stadium where the Ravens were playing a football game.
November 12, 2016 at 1:54 am #57826— X —ParticipantBut protest is far more prevalent than violence and riots. There were literally hundreds of protests across the country like the one in Maine. Now I have not spent a good hour researching this, but what I gather so far is that the peaceful protests are far (far) more common.
I hope you’re right. I’ve already heard talk about gearing up for a weekend ‘protest’ that involves importing anarchists. Which, subsequently, will make the ‘peaceful’ part of the protest very short-lived. And for the record, I’m not suggesting there’s *only* violence and destruction. There are people downtown where I live who have assembled and are demonstrating peacefully. I might check them out tomorrow too, and take some video to share here. It’s truly a sight when hippies protest. It’s almost like synchronized swimming it’s so organized. And yes, there are still hippies. They all moved to Asheville.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 12, 2016 at 4:37 am #57831PA RamParticipantI don’t remember if I’ve mentioned this before, but I’m very concerned right now about my son and his girlfriend. And they are a bit terrified. He’s white and she’s black. That can be stressful under the best of times because you can’t be more in the middle of the racial tension divide than that.
And yes–even before Trump they could feel the pressure of being an interracial couple. But now? Off the charts. And I’m not just talking about straight out physical stuff. Just social life in general is challenging.
Whatever side you want to blame, it is really important for Trump to come out and make a speech, reassuring Americans of color that he has their back, and distancing himself from white hate groups. He must condemn those groups in the harshest terms. He must find a way to calm this down.
“He’s not my President” may feel mentally nice, but it’s meaningless. It holds no power. He has to change that and somehow show that he IS everyone’s president, that he will not stand for any sort of hate, be it physical or verbal or other. That he will not tolerate his name being used in hate slogans and intimidation. There is no one else who can defuse this.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 12, 2016 at 6:28 am #57834wvParticipantWhatever side you want to blame, it is really important for Trump to come out and make a speech, reassuring Americans of color that he has their back, and distancing himself from white hate groups. He must condemn those groups in the harshest terms. He must find a way to calm this down.
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Well, its an interesting dynamic for Trump. I mean he knows that one of his core support-factions is the Haters. The white supremicists, KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, etc. We know that. He knows that. He has plenty of other, respectable factions but he courted, gathered and motivated THAT one too.
So when Hate-groups are part of your political coalition…and they help you get elected, and you need them to get re-elected — what happens AFTER you get elected? What do you say to them?
I see he gave Ben Carson a job, btw. wv-mom will be very happy about that. I wonder if Pat Robertson will be secretary of transportation.
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vNovember 12, 2016 at 6:59 am #57836nittany ramModeratorI see he gave Ben Carson a job, btw. wv-mom will be very happy about that. I wonder if Pat Robertson will be secretary of transportation.
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vYes, so now our Vice President and Secretary of Education are “young earth creationists”.
Science class will look like this…
November 12, 2016 at 7:33 am #57839wvParticipantYes, so now our Vice President and Secretary of Education are “young earth creationists”.
Science class will look like this…
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Everytime i read something new about Trump-Hillary i think…well, we’ve hit bottom….and then, i read something even lower 🙂I’m just goin to keep repeating my slient mantra: “I voted for Jill, I voted for Jill, I voted for Jill…”
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v“the first quality of an honest man is contempt for religion, which would have us afraid of the most natural thing in the world, which is death; and would have us hate the one beautiful thing destiny has given us, which is life.”
― Umberto Eco, The Island of the Day Before“You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?” ― Mark Twain
“Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man … living in the sky. Who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer, and suffer, and burn, and scream, until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money.” ― George Carlin
November 12, 2016 at 7:56 am #57841Billy_TParticipantPa Ram,
Really interesting take on religion from you.
We have a lot in common. From early Methodist upbringing to practicing Buddhism. I chose Zen, because it’s basically a merger between Chinese Taoism, Indian Buddhism and Japanese Shinto. And, in my view, it’s easily the most moral and ethical of the majors. I’m gonna post something later about my take on so-called “peaceful religions” and probably add a trigger warning or two.
I’ve lapsed in my practice, as my posts here no doubt show.
:>(
But it’s one of my “New Yearsy resolutions” to get to back to it and not lapse again.
P.S. I also focused on the philosophical “Wayness” of Zen, not so much on the myths and legends that can aid that practice — but I read a lot of those, too. Its secular application as well.
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