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Besides a racist demagogue.
dem·a·gogue
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a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argumentJust dive in, forget the “who is the worsterest of evils” thing, and all the different pressures associated with it.
In his own terms, taken by and in himself, what is Trump. What are his policies. What is his vision. What do he stand fer.
Maybe my little wishes won’t count, but I don’t want it to be a “who should you vote for” thread as much as a “who/what is this guy” thread.
IMO there are already enough “vote for HC/I will never vote for HC” threads. I would like a bracketed “who/what is Trump” thread.
If that’s possible.
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He’s a job creator and a natural communicator. He gets things done. Unlike the Establishment candidates who are always bought long before they ever reach the presidency, Trump is not.
Useful idiots parrot that he’s racist because he wants to follow existing law regarding ILlEGAL immigration realizing that it drives DOWN wages for US citizens. The common sense lacking in establishment policies that unites voters across the political spectrum is his strength. PC is dead. Those that continue to practice it will be marginalized.
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The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
He does focus a lot on an issue that does not affect WV much, and i dont follow the issue much: Immigration.
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Trump released a comprehensive policy plan for immigration reform — something many other Republican candidates have yet to do.In it, Trump lays out what he plans to do…Most notably, the plan promises widespread deportation, including the “mandatory return of all criminal aliens,” or undocumented immigrants who have been convicted of crimes.
“We’re going to keep the families together, but they have to go,” he said on Meet the Press. Neither in his interview nor in the plan, however, did Trump say how this would be accomplished.
Trump’s plan said that he would end what’s known as birthright citizenship, which guarantees citizenship to almost all people born within U.S. borders, regardless of the legal status of their parents. That right is guaranteed under the 14th Amendment. A number of other Republican candidates have also expressed support for this idea, including New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Sen. Rand Paul, and Sen. Lindsey Graham.
As for border security, Trump doubled down on his pledge to have Mexico build and pay for an enormous wall across the border. Under the Trump administration, the U.S. would impose various penalties on the Mexican government and its officials until it agreed to build and pay for the wall.
“Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards — of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options].”
Under Trump’s plan, businesses would be required to hire “American workers first”; monetary penalties would be increased for people who overstay their visas; and the J-1 visa jobs program, which allows kids from other countries to participate in things like summer exchange programs, would be terminated. Trump’s plan also calls for tripling the number of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers, which are in charge of enforcing immigration laws.
The plan may be difficult to implement. Many of the initiatives, such as tripling the number of ICE officers, would require huge increases in federal funding — increases that would most likely have to be approved by Congress.
Interestingly, the most frequent source Trump cites to back up the ideas in his plan is the right-wing news site Breitbart News. At least six of the conservative site’s articles are linked to in Trump’s plan, far more than any other source. Trump has done numerous exclusive interviews with the site, which on Sunday reported that his immigration plan would “get Americans back to work.”
Trump on Waterboarding, fwiw:
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In December, Trump started demanding that the US target the families of ISIS members in addition to “bombing the sh*t” out of the terrorist organization. He went further in February, advocating for torture as a method of interrogation.“I would bring back waterboarding, and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding,” Trump declared in the February debate just ahead of the New Hampshire primary. Calls for bringing torture back became a regular applause line at rallies, despite the likelihood that both of these ideas would require the American military to obey orders that violate international laws and federal anti-torture statutes.
Pressed at a debate on March 3 over whether the American military would obey his order to violate international laws and the Geneva Convention to do such things, Trump insisted they’d listen to him, despite condemnation from military leaders and conservatives.
“Frankly, when I say they’ll do as I tell them, they’ll do as I tell them,” he said.
2. The military shouldn’t break the law, after all.
He then reversed this position the very next day, on March 4, in a statement to the Wall Street Journal, saying he “will not order military or other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such matters.”
3. The laws forbidding torture should be changed so no one has to break them.
Not long after terrorist attacks in Brussels killed at least 28 people and injured dozens more on March 22, Trump called in to CNN to expand on his call to legalize waterboarding.
“Look, I think we have to change our law on the waterboarding thing, where they can chop off heads and drown people in cages, in heavy steel cages and we can’t water board,” Trump told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We have to change our laws and we have to be able to fight at least on almost equal basis.”
When Blitzer reminded Trump that military leaders don’t support torture and that it violates international agreements that the United States has signed, Trump called opposition to torture a “political decision.”
“I would say that the eggheads that came up with this international law should turn on their television and watch CNN right now, because I’m looking at scenes on CNN right now as I’m speaking to you that are absolutely atrocious,” Trump said. “And I would be willing to bet, when I am seeing all of the bodies laying all over the floor, including young, beautiful children laying dead on the floor, I would say if they watched that, maybe, just maybe they’ll approve of waterboarding and other things.”
Current position: Trump says he’s against violating international laws or ordering others to do so, but wants to change the laws to legalize, at minimum, waterboarding.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/full-list-donald-trump-s-rapidly-changing-policy-positions-n547801The Wiki article on Trump is excellent, I’d say. Not that I’ve read it. But it looks like its worth reading.
Here’s the beginning of it:
Trump’s political positions are widely viewed as populist.[8][9] Among academics, political writers, and pundits, Trump and his politics have been classified in greater detail, but in varying ways.
Liberal economist and columnist Paul Krugman disputes that Trump is a populist, arguing that his policies favor the rich over those less well off.[10] Harvard Kennedy School political scientist Pippa Norris has described Trump as a “populist authoritarian” analogous to European parties such as the Swiss People’s Party, Austrian Freedom Party, Swedish Democrats, and Danish People’s Party.[11] Political satirist and columnist Walter Shapiro and political commentator Jonathan Chait describe Trump as authoritarian.[12][13] Conservative commentator Mary Katharine Ham characterized Trump as a “casual authoritarian,” saying “he is a candidate who has happily and proudly spurned the entire idea of limits on his power as an executive and doesn’t have any interest in the Constitution and what it allows him to do and what does not allow him to do. That is concerning for people who are interested in limited government.”[14] Charles C. W. Cooke of the National Review has expressed similar views, terming Trump an “anti-constitutional authoritarian.“[15] Libertarian journalist Nick Gillespie, by contrast, calls Trump “populist rather than an authoritarian”.[16]
Legal experts spanning the political spectrum, including many conservative and libertarian scholars, have suggested that “Trump’s blustery attacks on the press, complaints about the judicial system and bold claims of presidential power collectively sketch out a constitutional worldview that shows contempt for the First Amendment, the separation of powers and the rule of law.”[17] Law professors Randy E. Barnett, Richard Epstein, and David G. Post, for example, suggest that Trump has little or no awareness of, or commitment to, the constitutional principles of separation of powers and federalism.[17] Law professor Ilya Somin believes that Trump “poses a serious threat to the press and the First Amendment,” citing Trump’s proposal to expand defamation laws to make it easier to sue journalists and his remark that Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos will “have problems” if he is elected president.[17]
Republican opinion journalist Josh Barro terms Trump a “moderate Republican,” saying that except on immigration, his views are “anything but ideologically rigid, and he certainly does not equate deal making with surrender.”[18] MSNBC host Joe Scarborough says Trump is essentially more like a “centrist Democrat” on social issues.[19] Journalist and political analyst John Heilemann has characterized Trump as liberal on social issues,[20] while conservative talk radio host and political commentator Rush Limbaugh says that Heilemann is seeing in Trump what he wants to see.[21]
Trump is nativist in the opinion of Washington Post editorial page editor Fred Hiatt.[22] Conservative writer and editor Rod Dreher, a Trump opponent, writes that the term “nativist” is laden with negative connotations and is typically used as a pejorative;[23] Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review, instead calls Trump an “immigration hawk” and supports Trump’s effort to return immigration levels to a historically average level.[24]…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump
Not sure if it’s particularly useful to say “the racism was always there.” Perhaps. But a key here is that the two parties really are quite different now when it comes to dealing with racism and bigotry. It’s one of the few, real areas of difference. Of course, it wasn’t always that way. Pre-1960s Dems were filled with racists, especially in the South, where they owned that part of the political map. The Republicans own it now. But, it’s really the religious right that swung the balance throughout the country. They decided to “get political” primarily as a reaction to federal efforts to desegregate schools (especially Bob Jones University), businesses, workplaces, etc.
So one party has made a conscious effort to just flat out make the appearance of racism and bigotry unacceptable. The other hasn’t. The other, in fact, encourages it, primarily as a way to deflect attention from its donor class — the real reason for everyone’s economic woes. It’s the 1%, and the system they control, that screws everyone over. Not brown and black peoples, or women.
The Dems have yet to make that clear, though Sanders has started the shift for the Dems. But the GOP is still of the mind to consciously scapegoat POCs, along with the entire public sector, which, for many Republicans, are synonymous.
Boiled down: Trump is just using the GOP playbook, without the usual filters. He has no filters. Which is part of his appeal. The thing is, however, he doesn’t have any policies or programs, either, and every speech he gives is just incoherent word salad, like Sarah Palin. So his supporters are mostly just projecting their own fears and dreams onto him.
. He gets things done. Unlike the Establishment candidates who are always bought long before they ever reach the presidency, Trump is not.
You keep saying that. As do a lot of Trump supporters.
But the fact that Trump isn’t bought by some other interests does not mean that he isn’t devoted to interests. You act like he is altruistic because he isn’t “bought.”
He has his OWN interests.
And those are the interests of a narcissistic billionaire developer.
Doesn’t make any difference that they are his OWN interests rather than somebody else’s.
They still aren’t MY interests.
Or yours either, for that matter.
You can make that claim against any candidate by your logic. Trump isn’t bought going in. Just like Perot. But unlike Perot He is in it to win. He knows the parasitic realities of trying to get something done with parasite politicians demanding money. Better infrastructure is in all our interests.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
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