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May 15, 2016 at 6:22 pm #44104znModerator
Big Loss For Rams In A St. Louis Court: Credibility
Ron Katz is Chair of the Sports Law Practice Group at Manatt, Phelps & Phillips LLP and a Distinguished Careers Institute Fellow at Stanford University.
Although lawsuits go on for years, the classic advice that most parents give to their children often applies: you only have one chance to make a first impression. The Rams have fumbled that chance in the lawsuit the team is defending in very hostile territory: St. Louis, the town the team left for the bright lights of Los Angeles.
Before getting to this recent fumble, let’s put it in context. The Rams were sued by a class of fans who claimed that they had been misled by statements of high Rams officials, including the owner, Stan Kroenke, to the effect that the Rams would not lead the charge to leave St. Louis. The irate fans claim that these statements were not true, as demonstrated by facts like the purchase of the very land on which the Rams will be building the team’s new stadium in Inglewood, California, at the same time that the statements in question were being made.
The fans claim that they would not have bought Rams merchandise and tickets but for the allegedly false statements. It is probably true that a Sam Bradford Rams jersey would not fetch much at a St. Louis garage sale these days. It is also true that attendance at Rams games last season declined precipitously after it became known that the Rams were in fact leading the charge out of St. Louis.
The lawsuit was brought in state court. That would be considered a favorable venue for the plaintiffs, because state court judges hold office for only six years in Missouri before having to be reconsidered for retention. Therefore, many lawyers believe that state court judges are much more subject to political pressure than federal court judges, who hold office for life.
Therefore, the Rams’ first gambit in the lawsuit was to remove the case from state to federal court. This can be done if there is so-called diversity of citizenship. The reason that removal is allowed in this situation is to give the out-of-stater a fairer shake in federal court.
So, whether there was diversity of citizenship was a crucial question at the outset of this lawsuit. That question depended on the state in which the owner of the Rams was a citizen. He claimed that he was a citizen of Wyoming.
The court was not impressed with this claim: ”Other than Defendants’ bald assertion that Mr. Kroenke is a citizen of Wyoming, there is no evidence that controverts that he is a citizen of Missouri. In contrast, Plaintiffs have provided evidence that Mr. Kroenke resides in Missouri, including his voter registration and Missouri driver’s license.”
The question I have about the above situation is not whether this court decision is correct–it obviously is–but rather why the owner chose to make this argument in light of this overwhelming evidence. Making the argument causes two problems. First, it’s a loser.
Second, and more important, it lessens Mr. Kroenke’s credibility before the court that will be deciding this significant lawsuit. If in fact, state court judges do respond to political pressure, it is unlikely that a Missouri judge will feel much pressure from a party that has left Missouri in a controversial way and who claims not even to be a citizen of the state where he votes. Assuming that Mr. Kroenke now feels an intense loyalty to Wyoming, he may have to pay a steep price for that.
May 15, 2016 at 7:53 pm #44111bnwBlockedLying StanK. Make that move even more expensive! FU StanK.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 16, 2016 at 6:12 pm #44155Isiah58ParticipantCurious why the author of this article felt that this is a “significant” lawsuit? It appears to be nothing more than a baseless nuisance suit filed for publicity purposes only?
Also, the author makes a huge point about SK having a driver’s license and voter registration in Missouri, but doesn’t see fit to include in the article what arguments were made by the defendant. Voter registration and driver’s licenses can be years old until they are renewed. How many days did Kronke actually spend in Missouri last year? What if he spent zero days – would the author still call him a big fat liar?
I can’t see the judge suddenly hating the defendants and not following the law for the rest of the case, as the author suggests. It hasn’t been my experience with judges, anyways.
The plaintiffs from what I can see are complaining that they bought tickets to a game that they went to, and bought shirts that they wore, but are now alleging that they wouldn’t have done so if the defendants wouldn’t have made certain statements suggesting they were trying to stay in St. Louis. I have to think that this case will eventually be thrown out, because nothing the defendants said was anything more than ambiguous statements of hope or intentions.
“Marge, don't discourage the boy! Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals! Except the weasel.” - Homer Simpson
May 16, 2016 at 7:35 pm #44159bnwBlockedThe PSL lawsuit is in federal court. I hope StanK loses that too. Lying StanK.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 16, 2016 at 7:44 pm #44160NewMexicoRamParticipantI’m not an attorney, just a primary care doc.
But I’m certain it would come down to business inducements (i.e., inducing customers to buy more or engage in business activities under false pretenses).
I would think people who bought PSL’s over the last several years would have a better claim that reasons you listed.
Again, no attorney here. How about it, wv?May 16, 2016 at 8:50 pm #44165wvParticipantI’m not an attorney, just a primary care doc.
But I’m certain it would come down to business inducements (i.e., inducing customers to buy more or engage in business activities under false pretenses).
I would think people who bought PSL’s over the last several years would have a better claim that reasons you listed.
Again, no attorney here. How about it, wv?———————-
You know, my first reaction was to think the plaintiffs had
a snowballs chance in hell, but this is kindof an oddball case.
There did indeed seem to be some obvious lying going on with
Demoff and Ownership. I’m still skeptical the Rams will lose,
but I’m no longer totally sure. Waterfield has a better feel for
civil stuff than me.I’m still trying to figure out if i can sue the Rams
for drafting Trung.w
vMay 17, 2016 at 11:07 am #44181bnwBlockedStill hung up on Trung? Rams have drafted worse in the first round since him.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
May 17, 2016 at 12:25 pm #44184JackPMillerParticipantStill hung up on Trung? Rams have drafted worse in the first round since him.
We should have drafted Marvel Smith.
May 17, 2016 at 2:24 pm #44186PancakeParticipantEvery off season teams have at least one player in contract limbo that they claim they want back and they are working on a deal but then end up parting ways. All the fans who bought those players jerseys and merchandise should sue then. They were all misled to thinking the player would be back.
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