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November 16, 2016 at 11:36 pm #58688wvParticipant
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link:http://theduran.com/latest-group-being-blamed-for-hillary-clintons-election-loss-white-women-with-internalized-misogyny/Latest group being blamed for Hillary Clinton’s election loss, “white women with internalized misogyny”
Alex Christoforou“Internalized misogyny is a real thing”…and it is why Hillary lost according to Clinton campaign communications director Jess McIntosh
A few days ago The Duran published a post on how the Clinton campaign and the liberal left where shifting the blame of Hillary’s crushing election day loss onto Facebook.
We noted…
It was the fault of the Russians.
No wait, it was the fault of white trash, uneducated America.
No wait, the white male is to blame.
No…it was the fault of the patriarchy.
No wait, it was Facebook fault.
Hillary Clinton’s loss is everyone else’s fault except for Hillary Clinton and her criminal past, and present.
The liberal left-progressive movement has exerted so much pressure on Facebook and Google for not actively working to block negative content about Hillary Clinton, that now the two silicon valley giants are implementing new “fake news” guidelines to prevent any future Trump occurrences.
Thank you snowflakes for destroying free speech.
What could possible be next…
Cue Clinton campaign communications director Jess McIntosh, who made an appearance on MSNBC on Monday, and threw out the latest “blame game” claim… it was women with “internalized misogyny” who couldn’t bring themselves to vote to elect the first woman president, who are at fault for Hillary’s demise.
When MSNB host Chris Hayes asked McIntosh why Hillary didn’t do better with white women than Barack Obama did in 2012, McIntosh made this ridiculous statement…
“Internalized misogyny is a real thing and this is a thing we have to be talking about as we go through and see.”
McIntosh continued…
“We as a society react poorly to women seeking positions of power. We are uncomfortable about that and we seek to justify that uncomfortable feeling because it can’t possibly be because we don’t want to see a woman in that position of power.”
“As we go through these numbers, as we figure out exactly what happened with turnout, it seems to be white college-educated women.”
“We have work to do talking to those women about what happened this year and why we would vote against our self-interest.”
According to McIntosh, women are simply too dumb to understand why, and for whom, they are voting.
November 16, 2016 at 11:48 pm #58690— X —ParticipantThanks for posting. My wife got really upset tonight because of similar claims. I fired up the Smart TV and watched some YouTube videos to try and get a feel for what people were saying during these protests, and why they were so upset with the results. We (I) stumbled across a video wherein a woman outright bashed the women who voted for Trump because they’re too stupid to know any better, and they want to be victims of sexual assault by a child molester. My reaction was that of laughter, because it was so poorly articulated and stupid on its face, but she did anything but laugh. She was damn near incensed.
Hillary lost because she courted celebrities instead of speaking directly to the middle class’s chief concerns, she didn’t offer any substance, and she patronized virtually everyone. My wife, my sister, and my mother (all independents) gave very little weight to her email scandal. They felt was just willful disregard for the security instructions she was given because she fancied herself more important than anyone else who had to abide by those same instructions, and she considered herself untouchable. Her smugness was palpable too. My sister, in particular, actually felt demeaned and condescended by her. Her words.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 17, 2016 at 12:02 am #58692wvParticipantThanks for posting. My wife got really upset tonight because of similar claims. I fired up the Smart TV and watched some YouTube videos to try and get a feel for what people were saying during these protests, and why they were so upset with the results. We (I) stumbled across a video wherein a woman outright bashed the women who voted for Trump because they’re too stupid to know any better, and they want to be victims of sexual assault by a child molester. My reaction was that of laughter, because it was so poorly articulated and stupid on its face, but she did anything but laugh. She was damn near incensed.
Hillary lost because she courted celebrities instead of speaking directly to the middle class’s chief concerns, she didn’t offer any substance, and she patronized virtually everyone. My wife, my sister, and my mother (all independents) gave very little weight to her email scandal. They felt was just willful disregard for the security instructions she was given because she fancied herself more important than anyone else who had to abide by those same instructions, and she considered herself untouchable. Her smugness was palpable too. My sister, in particular, actually felt demeaned and condescended by her. Her words.
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I haven’t totally figured out ALL the reasons why Hillary lost (the electoral college).
I ‘wish’ most people who voted against her did so because of her neoliberal ‘fuck the poor’ policies. But i know there were many reasons why different groups voted against her. Some of those reasons were better than others, imho.
I suppose it doesnt really matter why she lost — what matters is who is going to win the meme-battle among the folks trying to tell the STORY of why she lost. I mean what matters NOW is just what STORY the public is going to BELIEVE about why she lost. Because the DNC is going to tell ‘one’ story (she lost because of the Russians, Cheating, Bernie, Dum-people, etc) And the progressives are going to tell ‘another’ story — she lost because of her neoliberal fuck-the-poor policies and because she’s totally unethical and a lying weasel.
If the DNC story wins the day, the Dems will continue to be the disgusting creepshow they are now.
If the Progressive story wins the day, the Dems have a chance at cleaning up their act.I’m not optimistic about the progressives, but i got a flicker of hope. Just a flicker.
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vNovember 17, 2016 at 12:18 am #58694ZooeyModeratorI suppose it doesnt really matter why she lost — what matters is who is going to win the meme-battle among the folks trying to tell the STORY of why she lost. I mean what matters NOW is just what STORY the public is going to BELIEVE about why she lost. Because the DNC is going to tell ‘one’ story (she lost because of the Russians, Cheating, Bernie, Dum-people, etc) And the progressives are going to tell ‘another’ story — she lost because of her neoliberal fuck-the-poor policies and because she’s totally unethical and a lying weasel.
If the DNC story wins the day, the Dems will continue to be the disgusting creepshow they are now.
If the Progressive story wins the day, the Dems have a chance at cleaning up their act.w
vThat. Right there.
November 17, 2016 at 12:29 am #58696— X —ParticipantI suppose it doesnt really matter why she lost — what matters is who is going to win the meme-battle among the folks trying to tell the STORY of why she lost. I mean what matters NOW is just what STORY the public is going to BELIEVE about why she lost. Because the DNC is going to tell ‘one’ story (she lost because of the Russians, Cheating, Bernie, Dum-people, etc) And the progressives are going to tell ‘another’ story — she lost because of her neoliberal fuck-the-poor policies and because she’s totally unethical and a lying weasel.
If the DNC story wins the day, the Dems will continue to be the disgusting creepshow they are now.
If the Progressive story wins the day, the Dems have a chance at cleaning up their act.I’m not optimistic about the progressives, but i got a flicker of hope. Just a flicker.
w
vWell said.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 17, 2016 at 7:02 pm #58765MackeyserModeratorWhat’s funny is that when it came to the sober analysis of Clinton (not the fringy stuff on either end of the political spectrum), the critiques from the left and right weren’t fundamentally different.
The left focused more on how her corruption harmed the working class and poor.
The right focused more on how her corruption harmed the institution, her integrity and foreign policy.
But, the meat of the critiques were basically, fundamentally the same.
The fact that the DNC is trying to gaslight the entire American electorate is fascinating.
No, no, no…they weren’t crazy for running a flawed candidate, co-opting the MSM, trying to establish a fake media narrative that people across the body politic didn’t buy and abandoning the working class of every race and gender across this country.
WE were all crazy for not seeing that Hillary wasn’t just the inevitable and ONLY sane choice, but that even to contemplate any other choice was mysogynist and fascist or communist (yeah, the DNC allowed surrogates to put the Commie line out there against Bernie).
I’ve never seen a person or small group try to gaslight an entire country before.
Part of me is like, “fuck you”.
But…another part of me is just…fascinated…at the level of how pathological must the thinking be to even ATTEMPT such a massively narcissistic undertaking.
Here’s hoping the DLC/corporatocratic DNC crowd suffers Narcissus’ fate…politically speaking, of course.
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
November 18, 2016 at 6:27 am #58790wvParticipantlink:http://johnhilley.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/the-real-cause-of-trump-rampant.html
…Trump appears to have done best among middle-income Americans, and narrowly beat Clinton among the affluent. But the biggest shift to Trump – a 16-point swing– came from those earning less than $30,000 a year, even though he still lags behind Clinton among this group. Last time they voted for the country’s first black president. This time they shifted to a candidate backed by avowed racists, and ensured he won….
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… As Glenn Greenwald more convincingly argues, liberal denial and deflected blame following both Trump and Brexit have only obscured the real issue:The indisputable fact is that prevailing institutions of authority in the West, for decades, have relentlessly and with complete indifference stomped on the economic welfare and social security of hundreds of millions of people. While elite circles gorged themselves on globalism, free trade, Wall Street casino gambling, and endless wars (wars that enriched the perpetrators and sent the poorest and most marginalized to bear all their burdens), they completely ignored the victims of their gluttony, except when those victims piped up a bit too much — when they caused a ruckus — and were then scornfully condemned as troglodytes who were the deserved losers in the glorious, global game of meritocracy.
Greenwald also notes that Obama leaves office with high approval ratings, suggesting there’s little evidence to show that racism is any more an issue in 2016 than it was in 2008 and 2012:
People often talk about “racism/sexism/xenophobia” vs. “economic suffering” as if they are totally distinct dichotomies. Of course there are substantial elements of both in Trump’s voting base, but the two categories are inextricably linked: The more economic suffering people endure, the angrier and more bitter they get, the easier it is to direct their anger to scapegoats.
Greenwald also relates, at Democracy Now, how the US media first talked-up Trump during the primaries, then turned on him when he became the Republican’s candidate:
And in a big way, that also played a role, unwittingly, I think, in helping Trump, because, of all the institutions in the United States, the institutions of authority that are hated, the American media leads the way.
Unlike liberal denialists and moderated leftists like Jones, Greenwald takes us to the closer heart of why Trump got elected.
It’s here we get to the essential cause, rather than symptoms, of what we’re now witnessing in America, as elsewhere: rampant neoliberalism.
Neoliberal doctrine has been relentlessly imposed by a liberal political class, and propagated at every level of life, notably by a corporate media. In a fine study article on neoliberalism, Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, Anis Shivani writes:
I would go so far as to say that neoliberalism is the final completion of capitalism’s long-nascent project, in that the desire to transform everything—every object, every living thing, every fact on the planet—in its image had not been realized to the same extent by any preceding ideology.
And, for Shivani, there’s been no more zealous practitioner of unrestrained neoliberalism than Clinton:
When Hillary Clinton frequently retorts—in response to demands for reregulation of finance, for instance—that we have to abide by “the rule of law,” this reflects a particular understanding of the law, the law as embodying the sense of the market, the law after it has undergone a revolution of reinterpretation in purely economic terms. In this revolution of the law persons have no status compared to corporations, nation-states are on their way out, and everything in turn dissolves before the abstraction called the market.
Complementing this view, Nomi Prins provides a detailed assessment of Hillary Clinton’s service to Wall Street. She recalls how Clinton backed her husband in dismantli….see link
November 18, 2016 at 6:39 am #58791wvParticipantfrom the article above:
“…The liberal media is now invoking facile memes like ‘post-truth’ and ‘fake news’ to suggest that it was ‘irrational’ and false output on social media that helped deliver Trump and Brexit.
Yet, isn’t this media-hyped ‘problem’ of ‘false news’ the most brazen inversion of a truth? From the BBC’s complicit lies over Iraq, to the Guardian’s warnings that Corbyn cannot be trusted with the economy, there’s no more fake news than the state propaganda and neoliberal narratives peddled daily by our ‘mainstream’ media….”
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……“….This will go down as one of the greatest snake oil sales jobs of all political time. But it wasn’t hard to see why brooding, alienated Americans bought the mix. It wasn’t difficult to see how they embraced Trump’s seductive ‘remedies’ in emboldened rejection of Clinton.
Of course, alongside his immediate back-peddling on ‘platform policies’, like pledging to jail Clinton and end Obamacare, the list of Trump’s crony ‘transition team’ shows just how ‘determined’ he is to ‘drain the swamp’. If Clinton is the swamp, Trump and his coterie are part of the same sewer system.
There’s a short honeymoon now before Trump’s hardline constituency realise they’ve been played. But it may be considerably longer before the Clinton cabal openly concede their own venality in cheer-leading an arch-warmonger and Wall Street-serving villain…”
November 18, 2016 at 6:55 am #58792nittany ramModeratorGreenwald also notes that Obama leaves office with high approval ratings, suggesting there’s little evidence to show that racism is any more an issue in 2016 than it was in 2008 and 2012:
What a ridiculous supposition. Obama’s approval ratings say nothing about the amount of racism that exists in the country at any given time. They are completely unrelated.
November 18, 2016 at 7:15 am #58793wvParticipantGreenwald also notes that Obama leaves office with high approval ratings, suggesting there’s little evidence to show that racism is any more an issue in 2016 than it was in 2008 and 2012:
What a ridiculous supposition. Obama’s approval ratings say nothing about the amount of racism that exists in the country at any given time. They are completely unrelated.
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True. And racism is always part of the republican southern strategy, etc, etc, and so forth — but fwiw, i dont see why racism would be any ‘more‘ of an issue than in 2012 or earlier.w
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November 18, 2016 at 7:49 am #58797bnwBlockedSouthern strategy? Good, never put that racism drum away. It now is part of the background noise, indiscernible, yet comforting in a way.
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November 18, 2016 at 8:02 am #58801— X —Participanti dont see why racism would be any ‘more‘ of an issue than in 2012 or earlier.
It’s not. It wouldn’t even be a talking point if Killary was elected either. Now, all you have to do is hint at it existing within the system, and all hell breaks loose. Dog whistle politics.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 18, 2016 at 9:07 am #58804wvParticipanti dont see why racism would be any ‘more‘ of an issue than in 2012 or earlier.
It’s not. It wouldn’t even be a talking point if Killary was elected either. Now, all you have to do is hint at it existing within the system, and all hell breaks loose. Dog whistle politics.
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Well can agree to disagree. Like i said once before i think (and i thot u agreed)
The Dems Overestimate and overplay the “racism is a factor” meme.
And the Trump supporters (and Nixon supporters and Reagan supporters and Bush supporters) UNDER-estimate the “racism was a factor” meme.Several factions make up the Republican base — one of them factions is the organized and unorganized White Racist faction. Here in WV, i know them well. I talk to many of them every week. They freely and breezily use the word nigger or monkey to describe Obama, they think blacks are lazy and violent, and they love Trump and hate Hillary. They have confederate flags on their pickup trucks. They are also very decent people in many ways. Blah blah blah.
I also would imagine there are plenty of closet-liberal racists voting for the Dems. There’s many shades and kinds of racism. I assume its impossible to know how many of those there are. Ya know.
So, to sum up. And imho.
1) There is indeed a real, active, much-discussed ‘southern strategy’ used by Nixon/Bush/Reagan/Bush/Trump. That strategy in subtle and not-so-subtle ways ‘invites’ the overt, organized, and unorganized White-Racist bloc of voters to feel at home in the Rep Party. The Dems do not ‘do that’. As bad as they are, they dont do ‘that’.
2) There are plenty of other NON-racist voting-blocs in the Rep Party. Evangelicals, Top 1 percenters, etc.
3) There are racist voters who vote Dem, too. But there is no ‘Dem Southern Strategy’ to capture them or “Dem northern strategy” to capture them, etc.
4) I think the Race issue leaned on too much by the left, and denied totally by the Right.Themz my views, in an oversimplified way.
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vNovember 18, 2016 at 9:23 am #58808— X —ParticipantSo, to sum up. And imho.
1) There is indeed a real, active, much-discussed ‘southern strategy’ used by Nixon/Bush/Reagan/Bush/Trump. That strategy in subtle and not-so-subtle ways ‘invites’ the overt, organized, and unorganized White-Racist bloc of voters to feel at home in the Rep Party. The Dems do not ‘do that’. As bad as they are, they dont do ‘that’.
2) There are plenty of other NON-racist voting-blocs in the Rep Party. Evangelicals, Top 1 percenters, etc.
3) There are racist voters who vote Dem, too. But there is no ‘Dem Southern Strategy’ to capture them or “Dem northern strategy” to capture them, etc.
4) I think the Race issue leaned on too much by the left, and denied totally by the Right.Themz my views, in an oversimplified way.
Well, let’s talk about *that* then. What are these subtle and not-so-subtle ways the right invites that fringe into the fold? By talking about real issues like immigration? Is there a way to do that without introducing the fact that it actually *is* other races that are pouring over the border in record numbers? As I said a little while back, I would feel the same about immigration reform if there were thousands of Swedes or Germans pouring across. It’s a security and economic issue (for me, at least).
Or maybe it’s using phrases like “inner city”? That’s a real thing. Inner cities. Talking about the very real problems within those areas isn’t done so at the expense of the African American race as a whole. But I did see it spun that way by the Dems. They more or less insinuated that Trump was saying there aren’t any functioning or affluent African American communities. So, yeah.
To that end, I submit that Dems *do* use a similar tactic. They distort the real meaning behind Republican talking points to that of ‘hate’ or ‘racism’ or ‘intolerance’, and they do that in order to attract and cater to the far left.
Am I off on any of that?
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 18, 2016 at 9:53 am #58812wvParticipantSo, to sum up. And imho.
1) There is indeed a real, active, much-discussed ‘southern strategy’ used by Nixon/Bush/Reagan/Bush/Trump. That strategy in subtle and not-so-subtle ways ‘invites’ the overt, organized, and unorganized White-Racist bloc of voters to feel at home in the Rep Party. The Dems do not ‘do that’. As bad as they are, they dont do ‘that’.
2) There are plenty of other NON-racist voting-blocs in the Rep Party. Evangelicals, Top 1 percenters, etc.
3) There are racist voters who vote Dem, too. But there is no ‘Dem Southern Strategy’ to capture them or “Dem northern strategy” to capture them, etc.
4) I think the Race issue leaned on too much by the left, and denied totally by the Right.Themz my views, in an oversimplified way.
Well, let’s talk about *that* then. What are these subtle and not-so-subtle ways the right invites that fringe into the fold? By talking about real issues like immigration? Is there a way to do that without introducing the fact that it actually *is* other races that are pouring over the border in record numbers? As I said a little while back, I would feel the same about immigration reform if there were thousands of Swedes or Germans pouring across. It’s a security and economic issue (for me, at least).
Or maybe it’s using phrases like “inner city”? That’s a real thing. Inner cities. Talking about the very real problems within those areas isn’t done so at the expense of the African American race as a whole. But I did see it spun that way by the Dems. They more or less insinuated that Trump was saying there aren’t any functioning or affluent African American communities. So, yeah.
To that end, I submit that Dems *do* use a similar tactic. They distort the real meaning behind Republican talking points to that of ‘hate’ or ‘racism’ or ‘intolerance’, and they do that in order to attract and cater to the far left.
Am I off on any of that?
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Well, ok, good questions. I dont have time today to research the ‘Southern Strategy’ of the Reps but I’ll just start a thread and when i have time, I’ll see what kind of arguments and facts are out there.btw, always keep in mind, my thing is Corporate-Capitalism and its little rosemary’s baby – Neoliberalism.
I think THOSE are the scourges that gave us Trump-Killary-Obama-Bush-Reagan. Race is not really my big issue. Its just something i notice and cant deny. I think the Reps play the race game in a dirty way and the proof is right there in the Racists themselves. I talk to them every week. THEY tell me Trump represents their views. They never tell me any Democrat represents their views. But still, i get your point about immigration and other urban issues. When is an issue just an issue and when is it subtly and in a tricky way being racist? Tough questions. Worth thinking about.
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vNovember 18, 2016 at 10:05 am #58816bnwBlockedSo, to sum up. And imho.
1) There is indeed a real, active, much-discussed ‘southern strategy’ used by Nixon/Bush/Reagan/Bush/Trump. That strategy in subtle and not-so-subtle ways ‘invites’ the overt, organized, and unorganized White-Racist bloc of voters to feel at home in the Rep Party. The Dems do not ‘do that’. As bad as they are, they dont do ‘that’.
2) There are plenty of other NON-racist voting-blocs in the Rep Party. Evangelicals, Top 1 percenters, etc.
3) There are racist voters who vote Dem, too. But there is no ‘Dem Southern Strategy’ to capture them or “Dem northern strategy” to capture them, etc.
4) I think the Race issue leaned on too much by the left, and denied totally by the Right.Themz my views, in an oversimplified way.
Well, let’s talk about *that* then. What are these subtle and not-so-subtle ways the right invites that fringe into the fold? By talking about real issues like immigration? Is there a way to do that without introducing the fact that it actually *is* other races that are pouring over the border in record numbers? As I said a little while back, I would feel the same about immigration reform if there were thousands of Swedes or Germans pouring across. It’s a security and economic issue (for me, at least).
Or maybe it’s using phrases like “inner city”? That’s a real thing. Inner cities. Talking about the very real problems within those areas isn’t done so at the expense of the African American race as a whole. But I did see it spun that way by the Dems. They more or less insinuated that Trump was saying there aren’t any functioning or affluent African American communities. So, yeah.
To that end, I submit that Dems *do* use a similar tactic. They distort the real meaning behind Republican talking points to that of ‘hate’ or ‘racism’ or ‘intolerance’, and they do that in order to attract and cater to the far left.
Am I off on any of that?
No, you nailed it! It is an economic issue that the democrats spin as racism.
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November 18, 2016 at 10:13 am #58818bnwBlockedI think THOSE are the scourges that gave us Trump-Killary-Obama-Bush-Reagan. Race is not really my big issue. Its just something i notice and cant deny. I think the Reps play the race game in a dirty way and the proof is right there in the Racists themselves. I talk to them every week. THEY tell me Trump represents their views. They never tell me any Democrat represents their views. But still, i get your point about immigration and other urban issues. When is an issue just an issue and when is it subtly and in a tricky way being racist? Tough questions. Worth thinking about.
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vYou do realize the democrats are actively expressing the desire to kill those “Racists” economy by killing the coal economy? Don’t you think that has a lot to do with their not believing democrats represent their view?
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November 18, 2016 at 10:16 am #58819ZooeyModeratorIMO, Trump is a racist, and said racist things, and surrounds himself with racists, and accepted without hesitation or apology the support of self-avowed racists.
But I don’t think it increased his vote. If anything, it increased Hillary’s. Because racists are not going to vote for a democrat, and not Hillary Clinton, anyway. So no increase in appeal amongst racists comes from what he said. Not all Republicans are racist. But the vast majority of racists are Republicans. Because they see Democrats as coddling minorities, something they greatly resent.
Trump’s racist comments, and the targeting of minorities at his rallies a couple of times, may have pushed more voters towards Hillary. There are a lot of people talking about how ANY other Democrat would have killed Trump, and that may be true. But as long as we are playing the hypothetical game, I bet if you went back and cleaned out the racist and misogynist grime from Trump’s persona, he would have wiped Clinton off the map almost completely.
November 18, 2016 at 10:26 am #58821— X —ParticipantI think THOSE are the scourges that gave us Trump-Killary-Obama-Bush-Reagan. Race is not really my big issue. Its just something i notice and cant deny. I think the Reps play the race game in a dirty way and the proof is right there in the Racists themselves. I talk to them every week. THEY tell me Trump represents their views.
I look forward to you starting that thread. This is a good discussion that would allow for all of us to dig deeper into things. As for the above, why is it that those racists you know feel Trump represents their views? Are they misinterpreting the message, realigning the message to suit their needs, or is the left not addressing the real issue at all? Probably a little of all 3. I don’t really know any racists. I did work with some people several years ago who conveyed some racial overtones when discussing core issues *(no ‘N’ words or anything like that), but all of them were over 60 years old at the time. That might be a variable worth exploring as well.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 18, 2016 at 10:31 am #58823PA RamParticipantI don’t know about dog whistles or Trump and his personal views on racism but there is no doubt that he was an attractive candidate for white power groups. They’ve been loud about that. So either they are hearing things that aren’t there or the KKK isn’t really a racist group. But he has certainly attracted those groups and some of those groups have acted out and are feeling emboldened by his presidency(according to many reports on incidents happening around the country). So whether he is one or not–they feel he represents them. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that.
As for Clinton: I can’t stand her.
I even agree with some of the things the Trump supporters say. I even share some of their concerns and doubts that Clinton would have addressed those things. I HOPE he does give a big middle finger to the Republican establishment and get some good things done. I will believe it when I see it, of course. But I hope he does.
But back to Clinton. The DNC insisted that she be the candidate. By God it was her fucking turn and don’t get in her way. Hillary supported that view.
DO NOT BLAME BERNIE!!!!!
He didn’t brainwash people, he tapped into feelings they were already having. She had no sense of that or dismissed those things until he FORCED her to pay attention. Nothing is Bernie’s fault.
I used to get into arguments on DU with rabid Clinton supporters and her supporters were just as bad as she was, in regard to Bernie. They attacked Bernie supporters constantly because he wasn’t ONE of them. He wasn’t a real Democrat and deserved no support. Clinton was uniquely qualified and yes–there were even those who called you a misogynist for not supporting her. They were horrible. They chased many Bernie supporters away from the site and were not interested in any conversation about the direction of the party. Clinton WAS the direction of the party. They were deaf to any other possibility. Even the admins held that view. They limited discussion after Clinton had won. Nothing negative about her was allowed.
They had no idea.
And now–since she won the popular vote with less votes than Obama, they will claim that she is the REAL president or they were right or yada yada yada.
They will have to accept a new reality or this party will die.
It will be interesting to watch.
But yes–I voted for her. No–not for her. Against Trump. And I’d do it again.
But I HOPE Trump proves me wrong. I WANT to be wrong.
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November 18, 2016 at 10:43 am #58825— X —ParticipantNot all Republicans are racist. But the vast majority of racists are Republicans.
Perhaps. But the same can be said for black Dems. Not all black Dems are racist, but the vast majority of racists within the party are black Dems. And for the record, I refuse to accept the notion that blacks cannot be racist as is often taught in Universities. It’s gotten to the point that you can’t even say “blacks” without being labeled a racist too. FWIW, I’ve been told by several black men that they don’t identify with the “African American” label, and that’s going back years. They’re proud to be known as simply “black”. One of my superiors at work, after the subject was brought up, went so far as to say, “You’re not European American, are you?” I said, “No, because my ancestors are from Ireland.” He told me to wait until after 5 to drink, because … you know … I’m Irish. I told him to pull up his pants, because I don’t care what his underwear looks like, because … you know … he’s black. That’s the dialogue of people who don’t care about the outrage of either party over the subject of race.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 18, 2016 at 10:58 am #58826bnwBlockedWaiting to drink after 5:00 pm works for me and I’m not Irish.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 18, 2016 at 11:04 am #58828— X —ParticipantYou’re probably a kraut.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 18, 2016 at 11:08 am #58829bnwBlockedYou’re probably a kraut.
Slovak and Croatian with a minor in Kraut. Otherwise there would be no beer for anyone else.
The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.
Sprinkles are for winners.
November 18, 2016 at 11:17 am #58831PA RamParticipantOne other thing about Clinton I have to get off my chest–something that bothered me about her campaign from the start and sort of said it all in regard to her cluelessness.
Her slogan: I’m With Her
Again–all about HER.
Terrible.
i think it was Trump or Bernie or whoever who turned that back on her with , “I’m with YOU”.
It was always about HER.
Terrible campaign.
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"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. " Philip K. Dick
November 18, 2016 at 11:39 am #58835— X —ParticipantOne other thing about Clinton I have to get off my chest–something that bothered me about her campaign from the start and sort of said it all in regard to her cluelessness.
Her slogan: I’m With Her
Again–all about HER.
Yeah, I caught that too. Her whole campaign was rife with generic political slogans. Trump had the one, and it resonated, but hers were all over the place. “I’m With Her”, “Stronger Together”, “Deal Me In!”, etc. She responded to criticisms from the right with new slogans, seemingly, every week (e.g., Trumped Up, Trickle Down). Part of the initial strategy, it seems. To wit:
In an August 8, 2015, message to top aides, the campaign’s director of paid media, Oren Shur, attached a Word document with a list of would-be catchphrases and “organizing principle(s)” compiled by chief strategist Joel Benenson’s firm, BSG.
The email was taken from the personal account of John Podesta, the campaign chairman, and made public as part of what the US government now believes is a calculated attempt by the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election.
The Clinton campaign has declined to confirm the authenticity of any of the emails released by WikiLeaks and CNN cannot independently confirm their authenticity. But the campaign has not challenged any emails in other WikiLeaks releases.
“Stronger Together” emerged as Clinton’s preferred slogan, alongside “I’m With Her” (not listed here) in May 2016, and is now painted, literally, on her campaign charter. So what took so long? Putting aside the standard strategic deliberations (Trump became the GOP’s presumptive nominee the same month), the menu options as presented here are, to be kind, not so great.
They follow below, in descending order of awful. “Stronger Together” has been removed from the field in the interest of journalistic objectivity.
*There were 85 possibilities listed, but one of them — “It’s your time” — was named twice.
“Progress for the rest of us”
“A stronger America one family at a time”
“Lifting us up. Moving us forward.”
“Making America work. Together.”
“Progress for people”
“A new bargain we can count on.”
“Real Fairness; Real Solutions”
“New Solutions Real Results”
“A stronger America for a new day”
“America’s strength. America’s promise.”
“A fair chance for families”
“A fair fight for families”
“A force for families”
“A new bargain for a stronger America”
“It’s about time…and it’s about you.”
“The ideas we need and the strength to deliver”
“American strength from American families”
“Next begins with you”
“A better bargain for a better tomorrow”
“Fairness worth the fight”
“Fairness First.”
“Putting Fairness First”
“A fair chance to get ahead”
“Your family is her fight”
“A fighting chance for families”
“A new promise for a new time”
“An America built for you.”
“Putting America to work for you”
“Strength and fairness”
“A stronger America working for you”
“It’s your turn”
“Stronger at home”
“For an America that leads”
“Your future. Your terms.”
“Building tomorrow’s America”
“Secure the Future”
“For your family. For America’s future”
“It’s about you. It’s about time”
“Because your time is now”
“It’s your time”
“It’s about you.”
“Building a better tomorrow”
“Strength you can count on”
“A fair shot and a fair deal”
“Building a fairer future today”
“You’ve earned a fair shot”
“You’ve earned a fair chance”
“Renewing America’s promise”
“Renewing our basic bargain”
“Time for a better bargain.”
“Making America work for you”
“Our Families, Our Future”
“Hillary – For Fairness. For Families.”
“Get ahead. Stay ahead.”
“Families first”
“Fairness for all our families”
“Building a fairer future”
“Your family. Her fight”
“Your future is her fight”
“America gets strong when you get ahead”
“A better bargain. For all.”
“A promise you can count on”
“Together we’re strong”
“Strength for all our families”
“Getting ahead together”
“Moving Ahead. Together.”
“A future worth fighting for”
“Go further”
“No Quit”
“Own the future”
“Don’t turn back”
“Move ahead”
“Keep moving”
“Unleash opportunity”
“Move up”
“Climb higher”
“Rise Up”
“Fighting for Fairness. Fighting for you.”
“She’s got your back”
“Your future. Her fight.”
“An America that works for you.”
“A stronger tomorrow”
“Progress for all”
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 18, 2016 at 12:40 pm #58840MackeyserModeratorDat list…
Honestly, I’m kinda numb from so many words put together that mean literally nothing.
If we added some croutons and bacon, we’d have a helluva word salad.
Dressing on the side, of course…
Sports is the crucible of human virtue. The distillate remains are human vice.
November 18, 2016 at 12:59 pm #58847— X —ParticipantDat list…
Honestly, I’m kinda numb from so many words put together that mean literally nothing.
If we added some croutons and bacon, we’d have a helluva word salad.
Dressing on the side, of course…
I honestly tried to find one that *might* have resonated, but I got nuthin’.
You have to be odd, to be number one.
-- Dr SeussNovember 18, 2016 at 1:01 pm #58849wvParticipantYou do realize the democrats are actively expressing the desire to kill those “Racists” economy by killing the coal economy? Don’t you think that has a lot to do with their not believing democrats represent their view?
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Well i think the coal-miners hated Hillary because they thought (wrongly) she would take their guns away from them, and they hated Hillary because they figured out she was a lying weasel who cared more about bankers than coal-miners, and i think they hated her because she was going to try to manage the decline of the coal industry, and they hated her because she was pro-choice, and they voted against her because the bought into Trumpism.They will/would be disappointed in the end, with either Trump or Hillary.
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