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July 26, 2015 at 10:23 pm #27613
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Moderatorhttp://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/05/26/bradfords-acl-what-are-the-odds/
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To get a better understanding for the situation, we spoke with Dr. James L. Carey, Director of the Penn Center for Advanced Cartilage Repair and Assistant Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery at the Perelman School of Medicine at the University of Pennsylvania. From Dr. Carey’s vantage point, does the fact that Bradford is coming off two ACL ruptures make it more likely that he will sustain a third?
“No,” he replied. “In my opinion, I don’t think that he’s at an increased risk for a third injury any more so than his other knee or the knees of any other NFL quarterback.”
The odds of re-injuring the same knee are relatively low. According to Carey, studies have shown that the probability of re-tearing a reconstructed ACL is about three to six percent. (Those studies were on the general population, not just football players. But they line up with other findings that suggest the chance of a recurrent injury to the same knee amongst NFL players within two years is about five to six percent.) Meanwhile, the probability of tearing the other knee — or the “native ACL” — is higher, around nine to 12 percent.
“You would think the reconstructed ACL would be more at risk. And it’s really changed our behavior a lot in how we treat these athletes when they return to play,” said Carey. “For example, bracing used to be pretty common after ACL reconstruction. At this point, I guess the question is: which knee do you want to brace? The other knee is actually at a higher risk in general.”
The reason for the lower odds? Part of it, Carey theorizes, is that the tissue used to reconstruct may be a little bit bigger than the native ACL. If the original ACL is seven millimeters, say, it might have been replaced with a nine millimeter graft, so there’s more give. Also, because of all of the attention that leg receives during rehab, it’s not uncommon for patients to feel that the reconstructed side is the stronger of the two.
Bradford turned out to be part of that three-to-six percent group that ruptured the same ACL twice. What to make of it? Carey likened an ACL tear to pulling out a kitchen drawer just hard enough that it jumps off the rails and hits the ground. Oftentimes, you fix the stop, put the drawer back in its grooves and the issue never comes up again. But in some cases, the same elements come together and the drawer pops back out.
“I think it’s just kind of one of those freak deals,” said Bradford at his introductory press conference. “From everyone I’ve talked to – our team doctors in St. Louis, Dr. [James] Andrews, they just thought that it was one of those things where they felt like I got hit a certain way two times and regardless of whether my ACL was an original, a repair, it was going to tear. So I think it just happened.”
“We’ve done our due diligence in terms of talking to Dr. Andrews in terms of what we are getting,” said Chip Kelly. “So we feel very confident in where Sam is.”
While the chances of a re-tear are pretty low, Carey said that athletes that have had multiple ACL ruptures in the same knee are at greater risk for cartilage damage and arthritis. So there could be some long-term effects down the road.
Bradford’s injury history goes beyond ACLs, of course. He missed a chunk of games in 2011 with a high ankle sprain. Was sidelined most of his junior season at Oklahoma with an injury to his throwing shoulder that eventually required surgery.
At some point, don’t you have to say that a player is injury-prone?
“I think it’s mostly the environment that the athletes are in,” Carey opined. “In football, there are a lot of ankle sprains and ACL ruptures. It’s part of the nature of the game. I think all of the athletes are vulnerable to these injuries — it’s part of the game — but I don’t think that any one athlete is systematically more prone to these injuries than any other athlete, really.”
Though there can be contributing factors, from style of play to training. Kelly puts a big focus on the latter, as we know, utilizing sports science and personalized regimens to try and maximize output and reduce the chance of injury.
To that end, Carey cited the American Academy of Orthopaedic Surgeons’ findings that “neuromuscular training programs could reduce ACL injuries.”
“Basically for every 109 patients that they treated, they prevented one ACL,” said Carey, who added that such programs have the best chance of preventing non-contact injuries. “So I think there is a benefit. Between the preseason and training camp, the Eagles probably touch about 109 players, and they can save an ACL. And in a game like the NFL, which is a game of inches and seconds, boy, one player can be a huge thing.”
Especially if that player turns out to be your starting quarterback.
July 27, 2015 at 12:14 am #27620zn
ModeratorHere’s a bunch of more stuff on ACL injuries and surgery:
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/will-todd-gurley-be-ready-to-go/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/whats-the-deal-with-acls/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/acl-recovery-time/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/experts-say-re-injured-acls-are-common-pd/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/what-is-the-timeframe-on-acl-recoveries/
July 27, 2015 at 4:46 pm #27641zn
ModeratorHere’s a bunch of more stuff on ACL injuries and surgery:
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/will-todd-gurley-be-ready-to-go/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/whats-the-deal-with-acls/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/acl-recovery-time/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/experts-say-re-injured-acls-are-common-pd/
http://theramshuddle.com/topic/what-is-the-timeframe-on-acl-recoveries/
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Are Bad Knees in Our Genes?
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/phys-ed-are-bad-knees-in-our-genes/?_r=0
Are fragile knees inherited? That intriguing question motivated a new study published earlier this month in The British Journal of Sports Medicine, during which researchers looked at one family’s propensity for shredding anterior cruciate ligaments during sports. The report was part of a much larger, ongoing study of risk factors for A.C.L. injury, led by researchers affiliated with the Cincinnati Children’s Hospital and Ohio State University, which involves thousands of young athletes. For this pocket version of the larger experiment, the scientists singled out a set of fraternal twin girls who already had been videotaped in the laboratory while wearing reflective markers. The angles of their knees during landing and cutting maneuvers had been analyzed, and the knees themselves measured. At the time of the taping, both girls’ knees were healthy. But within a year, each had suffered a catastrophic A.C.L. tear during separate volleyball and basketball games, as had an older sister, who wasn’t part of the original study.
Phys Ed“We thought this repeated incidence of A.C.L. tears within one family was important to look at,” said Timothy Hewett, the director of sports-medicine research for Ohio State University and Cincinnati Children’s Hospital and lead author of the new study. “In my lab, we have another set of twins, identical young women, who are post-docs. They both had torn their A.C.L.’s” as high school athletes. “Their father, who is one of a set of triplets, also had torn his A.C.L.,” as had his two triplet brothers, Dr. Hewett said. “Those incidences,” together with the injuries to the fraternal twins, “made us wonder, How much does familial predisposition influence your risk for an A.C.L. tear?”
The answer may be quite a bit. What Dr. Hewett and his colleagues found when they parsed the data about the fraternal twin girls’ knees was that each had unusually loose, flexible knee joints, or “Gumby knees,” as Dr. Hewett called them. Each also angled at least one knee outward during landings and had narrower-than-average notches in the knee bone, where the A.C.L. attaches to the bone. Each of these conditions previously had been identified as a risk factor for an A.C.L. tear, but they hadn’t been shown to cluster within a family. “It appears that the propensity to be at high risk for an A.C.L. tear is definitely heritable,” Dr. Hewett said.
Anyone who has an active daughter or who follows the sports pages knows that the incidence of non-contact-related A.C.L. tears among young female athletes is high and increasing. Many strength- and balance-training programs have been developed to try to reduce the number of these A.C.L. injuries. But part of the problem with the
training programs, Dr. Hewett said, “is that they’ll only work if they reach the girls who actually are at risk,” because of how their knees are built. “Otherwise it’s like giving antibiotics to someone who doesn’t have an infection. It won’t work.”As a result, some of the most engrossing recent A.C.L. injury research has been aimed at finding at-risk knees, in part by probing the genetics of weak A.C.L.’s. In the past year, a flurry of new studies have identified several genes that seem to be closely associated with A.C.L. tears. One representative experiment, produced by scientists at the University of Cape Town in South Africa and published in June, sequenced gene segments from 129 volunteers who had torn an A.C.L., 38 of them women, and compared them with the same gene sequences in 216 active but uninjured people (a third of them were women too). They found that the women who had torn their A.C.L.’s were significantly more likely to share a specific variation in one of their genes. The gene is known to affect the suppleness of collagen or connective tissue in tendons and ligaments like the A.C.L. Most of the men in both groups and the uninjured women didn’t have that genetic variant. Similarly, in another experiment by the same group of scientists, published in November, a separate gene variant was found to be more common in women who had ruptured their A.C.L.’s. That gene variant also affects the makeup of the collagen in tendons. No one knows yet whether women who carry both variants of the genes might be at especially high risk of an A.C.L. rupture.
But the emerging genetics of A.C.L. injury do raise the possibility that “in the not-so-distant future we might be able to screen” the DNA of young athletes and find those at highest injury risk, Dr. Hewett said. Obviously, he added, much work remains to be done in the field. The genetic variants so far associated with A.C.L. injury risk have been found primarily in injured women. But men injure their A.C.L.’s, in higher raw numbers than women, since so many more men participate in sports that threaten knees (soccer, basketball and skiing, for instance). Are there genetic risk factors for men? Should all young athletes be screened, if and when a viable screening test becomes available? And given that no A.C.L. injury prevention program has yet proved wholly successful, what advice do you give a young woman athlete whose genetic test shows that her knee is extremely vulnerable?
“There’s so much we still have to learn and think about,” Dr. Hewett said.
For now, the takeaway from the current research is simple. Look to your family. “If you have a first-generation relative, a sibling or parent, who has torn an A.C.L., you are likely to be at above-average risk,” Dr. Hewett said, and might want to investigate the availability of A.C.L. injury prevention programs in your area. You also can find self-guided programs online at a number of Web sites and on YouTube. Genetics will, of course, never provide “all of the answers to the question of why” some people tear an A.C.L. and others in the same situation do not, Dr. Hewett said. “But this field does give us another piece of the puzzle.”
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