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  • #19179
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    This is simple and familiar. I break down 2 sets of games with Bradford at qb. I just want the numbers in one place.

    First, the set I’ll just call “THE 11 games.” This is Bradford in the games from 2012 & 2013 where the Rams have both a relatively healthy OL and a running threat. This is the 2nd group of 8 games from 2012 plus the 2nd group of 3 games from 2013, when Stacy replaces Richardson.

    The set I call the “Other 12 games” = the 8 games from the first half of 2012, when they had 3 injury replacements and had to play Hunter and Ojinakka, plus the first 4 games from 2013 when they played Richardson (and Pead) and it wasn’t working.

    On avg. Bradford played better the THE 11 games. But this is not a “cherry picked” best games thing. He did play some good games when he lacked either a relatively healthy OL, or lacked a running threat; and he did have some mediocre games in THE 11 games.

    Why these 2 criteria? That’s really easy. All good qbs (with rare exceptions I can’t think of) play better when their OL is relatively healthy, and most play better when they have a running threat.

    The numbers:

    QB rating:
    THE 11 games: 91.4
    Other 12 games: 79.4

    Completion%:
    THE 11 games: 59.4%
    Other 12 games: 60.3%

    YPA:
    THE 11 games: 6.5
    Other 12 games: 6.7

    TD%:
    THE 11 games: 4.7%
    Other 12 games: 3.4%

    INT%:
    THE 11 games: 1.8%
    Other 12 games: 2.6%

    Sack%:
    THE 11 games: 4.7%
    Other 12 games: 7.4%

    Rams record v. NFC west:
    THE 11 games: 4-0-1
    The other 12 games: 1-2

    Rams record v. all teams:
    THE 11 games: 6-4-1 (16 game projection = 9)
    The other 12 games: 4-8 (16 game projection = 5)

    Percentage of comeback wins:
    THE 11 games: 3 of 11 = 27.3%
    The other 12 games: 2 of 12 = 16.7%

    Improvement needed in YPA & completion percentage, but to me a lot of that was the receivers too. Anyway, team was better under those conditions, the “THE 11 games” conditions, which were not even optimal–this doesn’t even consider the receivers or the defense. Though of course it should not be surprising that an offense is more effective when it has both a running threat and a relatively healthy OL, receivers and defense aside.

    #19185
    Avatar photowv
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    Well, i think there is a worldwide consensus
    that QBs play better if they have a
    good running game, and a solid OLine.

    So, yes, Bradford played better when
    he had that.

    Give him those two things, and he
    can be a 90 plus, regular-season-guy.

    But the ‘reasonable’ questions about Bradford
    are :
    1) Is he good enough to play well in playoff
    games against good defenses at crunch time ?
    2) Can he ‘lead’ the way Tom Brady and Russell Wilson
    showed they can in the playoffs ?
    3) Is he too brittle, too fragile to be
    counted on for 16 games, etc.

    We dunno yet.

    w
    v

    #19191
    bnw
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    3) Is he too brittle, too fragile to be
    counted on for 16 games, etc.

    We dunno yet.

    w
    v

    Yes we do.

    The upside to being a Rams fan is heartbreak.

    Sprinkles are for winners.

    #19193
    Avatar photozn
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    ) Is he too brittle, too fragile to be
    counted on for 16 games, etc.

    I don’t think so. I think he had 2 freak hyper-extensions of the same knee. Hyperextensions come from planting your foot wrong and having the leg move the wrong way. There’s nothing “fragile” about them–and they don’t have to come from contact. It’s not about being hit. I’ve had 4 bad ones that I remember, and none of them came from any kind of “contact” (thankfully, in my case there was never an ACL tear.) Same thing happened to Palmer when he went down…no one “hit” him, he just planted his leg wrong.

    The question is, can someone with 2 ACLs still play?

    In terms of “yes Bradford is a 90 rating qb when he has a relatively healthy OL and a running threat”…actually I have seen people reject that. They claim the stats are just cherry-picked; or that good qbs elevate damaged lines, even ones as problematic as the Rams line was in early 2012 (I keep asking for examples of that.) (So far the only credible example was Seattle in 2013, but I claim if you look at the details, the Seattle injury line of 2013 was far better off than the Rams injury OL of 2012. Meanwhile, I point to examples like Flacco and Eli in 2013, who both suffered from extensive OL issues.)

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