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  • #151908
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    if jones played out the year and left as a free agent, how much would the compensatory pick be?

     

    or they would have to tender him in order to get a compensatory pick? i don’t remember how that all works.

    #151909
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    To me…they got so little in return that they would have been better off keeping him for the year, and letting him go for nothing at the end of this season. I would rather have one more year of Jones, and nothing in return, than give him up for the difference between a 6th and 5th rounder.

     

    #151910
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    if jones played out the year and left as a free agent, how much would the compensatory pick be?

    Now that’s a good question.

    Would they have got a 6th rounder for him anyway? Or something?

    #151913
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    To me…they got so little in return that they would have been better off keeping him for the year, and letting him go for nothing at the end of this season. I would rather have one more year of Jones, and nothing in return, than give him up for the difference between a 6th and 5th rounder.

     

    Agreed, Zooey.

    #151914
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    Would they have got a 6th rounder for him anyway? Or something?

     

    yeah. that’s what i want to know. cuz that would piss me off even more.

     

    even if speights is better than jones. then start both or keep one for depth. i want to understand why.

    #151915
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    Would they have got a 6th rounder for him anyway? Or something?

    yeah. that’s what i want to know. cuz that would piss me off even more. even if speights is better than jones. then start both or keep one for depth. i want to understand why.

     

    Wouldn’t they have received a comp pick based on his new salary with his new team? That means it could have been as high as a 3rd.  I think a 4th was doable for a starting linebacker, on the cusp of being a pro bowler. At least a 5th. Oh, well.

    Hopefully, Jourdan will have some insights soon enough.

    #151916
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    Would they have got a 6th rounder for him anyway? Or something?

    yeah. that’s what i want to know. cuz that would piss me off even more. even if speights is better than jones. then start both or keep one for depth. i want to understand why.

    Wouldn’t they have received a comp pick based on his new salary with his new team? That means it could have been as high as a 3rd. I think a 4th was doable for a starting linebacker, on the cusp of being a pro bowler. At least a 5th. Oh, well. Hopefully, Jourdan will have some insights soon enough.

    Jones while good at his role as a 2 down ILB, was a 2 down ILB. He really isn’t a cover guy and Shula has indicated he’s going to keep putting safeties in LB spots depending on the downs, as the Rams have before.

    I wanted to see Speights at the other ILB spot alongside Jones, which (assuming he’s a good as he has looked so far) would fix a weakness in the front 7. Now they have Speights at the primary ILB spot and still have the weakness at the other ILB spot.

    #151918
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    Andrew Siciliano@AndrewSiciliano
    Sean McVay on Ernest Jones trade: “Football decision. What we felt was best for the football team. Amazing guy. He was great for us for a few years. But we felt that this was best for our football team.”
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    McVay says the Rams won’t add a veteran ILB: “You guys are all shocked. But we feel really good about our football team.”
    #151919
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    Now they have Speights at the primary ILB spot and still have the weakness at the other ILB spot.

     

    is it confirmed that speights is the starter?

     

    if so wow. i mean i still woulda preferred to keep both but wow. this rookie class looks better and better. i’m of course including drafted and undrafted rookies.

    #151921
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    Sean McVay on Ernest Jones trade: “Football decision. What we felt was best for the football team. Amazing guy. He was great for us for a few years. But we felt that this was best for our football team.”

     

    i’m watching the interview right. he got a little testy when a reporter tried to follow up on “best for our football team” quote. which i understand. i don’t think i would feel comfortable elaborating on that statement regardless of what the real reasons were. we’ll likely never know the full reasons behind why the rams did what they did.

    #151925
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    let’s see if this works.  5:31 in.  mcvay responds to follow up question.

     

    #151927
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    also doesn’t sound like speights is the starter. at least not immediately.

    #151928
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    interesting.  there is another follow up question and mcvay answers that it was difficult to properly evaluate him based on missed time in the offseason and not getting enough reps to show that he had a grasp of the defense.

     

    gary klein then follows up and asks him if his body of work prior to the offseason was not enough to give the rams confidence that he could contribute to the team this year.  mcvay replied that every year was a new year and that while his previous body of work was a factor in evaluating him, every year is a new year and you gotta earn your job.

     

    i’m perplexed.

    #151930
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    also doesn’t sound like speights is the starter. at least not immediately.

    True

    i’m perplexed.

    There has to be more to this story. I suppose maybe it’s the combination of Jones asking for an extension while also being out and not contributing. Could it be that that rubbed McV the wrong way? Not defending it (if that’s what happened) or criticizing it, just speculating.

    #151931
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    Could it be that that rubbed McV the wrong way?

     

    if this is true, then i would tend to criticize him for making this decision.  i’m not saying this is true.  but if it’s true.  i don’t agree with it.

     

    i’m still left to wonder if they let jones go at the end of the year what the comp pick would be.  and it’s a 2026 fifth rounder that they received in the trade…

     

    they do have 11 dbs.  is that unusual?  does this mark a shift in philosophy?  how many dbs did they carry last year?

    #151933
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    they do have 11 dbs.  is that unusual?  does this mark a shift in philosophy?  how many dbs did they carry last year?

    I don’t remember last year. But 11 is unusual. But then they also have 5 ILBs which is also unusual.

    #151934
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    InvaderRam Moderator zn wrote: Could it be that that rubbed McV the wrong way?   if this is true, then i would tend to criticize him for making this decision.  i’m not saying this is true.  but if it’s true.  i don’t agree with it.

    Yeah, you don’t get to be “rubbed the wrong way” if you are the coach, not by contract shit. He can get rubbed the wrong way about attitude towards coaching and teammates and effort and all that, but not by contract stuff.

    Whatever.

    This looks like an error to me, a bigger error than trading Woods which didn’t turn out to be all that bad in the end. But I dislike this one even more because of Jones’ youth and value. He was under contract for this year, and he would have played this year.

    So it’s a “value of Jones this year” vs. “value of the trade long term” equation, and I think Jones had more value to the Rams immediately than this trade does for the long term. That’s all.

    No biggie. I will root for the Rams just the same, but this doesn’t pencil out, imo.

    #151936
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    InvaderRam Moderator zn wrote: Could it be that that rubbed McV the wrong way? if this is true, then i would tend to criticize him for making this decision. i’m not saying this is true. but if it’s true. i don’t agree with it.

    Yeah, you don’t get to be “rubbed the wrong way” if you are the coach, not by contract shit. He can get rubbed the wrong way about attitude towards coaching and teammates and effort and all that, but not by contract stuff. Whatever. This looks like an error to me, a bigger error than trading Woods which didn’t turn out to be all that bad in the end. But I dislike this one even more because of Jones’ youth and value. He was under contract for this year, and he would have played this year. So it’s a “value of Jones this year” vs. “value of the trade long term” equation, and I think Jones had more value to the Rams immediately than this trade does for the long term. That’s all. No biggie. I will root for the Rams just the same, but this doesn’t pencil out, imo.

    I still feel something’s going on here, more than meets the eye. It’s nothing like not signing London Fletcher. But still…. And they kept 5 ILBs, an unusual number, which suggests they’re not all that certain about that position and the players they have. I agree that the coach should never act like he’s been “rubbed the wrong way,” but then, every once in a while, McV shows that he can have that kind of tendency, so it wouldn’t surprise me.

    It could be something as simple as the Rams don’t want to keep a leader around who gripes about not getting an extension….and Jones did gripe a bit.

    I know this is not one of those boards where a minor criticism of a popular coach can lead to death threats and outraged accustations of treason. Nevertheless let me quickly add that I rank McV very high as a coach overall. As you guys know. (I have residual trauma reactions from old poster wars so I reflexively feel compelled to add that I am a long way from being on the fire McVay! bandwagon………)

    #151937
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    I still feel something’s going on here, more than meets the eye.

    Yeah, okay. I think that, too. It is possible that, behind the scenes, something happened one way or another that just poisoned the well. That shit happens, blame or no blame.

    As of 8/27, there has been nothing to suggest Jones is an asshole, or that the Rams are doing a John Shaw thing.

    It may come out, and…okay…we shall see.

    But with available information, this looks simply like Jones asked for an extension going into his final year (not unusual or unreasonable), and the Rams balked because ILB isn’t a position they slot highly in the salary cap era when viewed through their priority chart. And Jones said, “Great, that’s fine, but I’m worth MORE than that on the open market because some teams DO value my position,” and he’s probably right about that.

    But passed that, I am at a loss to explain how the Rams didn’t extract more from this trade when they gave Jones to a team that does value his skillset more highly.

    Again, I think the Rams would have been better off using Jones this year and letting him go for nothing afterwards. Jones would have played his ass off this year to maximize his FA value. And that one year of premium performance outta Jones would have been worth more to the Rams than a few draft slot positions near the end of next year’s draft.

    In My Humble Opinion.

    #151938
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    I still feel something’s going on here, more than meets the eye.

     

    i definitely feel that way. nothing adds up. mcvay was clearly not comfortable with the line of questioning. his answers were full of holes. again. i don’t think it was a place to air his grievances. so i don’t see that as any fault of mcvay.

     

    i would see it as a fault of mcvay that he could be so reactive to trading jones for some kind of perceived insolence. if it’s true. but we don’t know that it’s true. everything is speculation at this point. so it’s hard for me to even comment. i just find it hard to believe that jones could rub anyone the wrong way. it would just seem so out of character. but then his frustration with goff and akers also baffled me.

     

    i’ll be curious to hear or read what jones has to say about it.

    #151939
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    Brett Kollmann@BrettKollmann
    I would be super excited if I were a Titans fan. Jones is a phenomenal fit for them. Should be an extremely blitz heavy team this year and EJ is one of the best pass rushing ILBs in the game.

    eddie pontin@thethethethe456
    Genuine question Mr. Whitworth, do you think the Rams would have paid him if the situation were different? I’m seeing a chunk of things like “Ernest wasn’t completely focused on the team” and even some “in bad shape” ones. He seemed to be a player they loved and raved about!!

    Andrew Whitworth@AndrewWhitworth
    Yes. Definitely
    Ernest is great dude. Love him.
    But clearly health or performance wasn’t there. Which led to the decision.
    Name a player the Rams haven’t take care of that earned it since 2017.

    So the answer is obvious if people got out their emotions.

    #151953
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    Brett Kollmann@BrettKollmann
    Okay there has to be more to this. No way Ernest Jones is only worth a 2026 5th rounder. Absolutely no way.
    #151956
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    So the answer is obvious if people got out their emotions.

     

    well then my guess is jones’ health isn’t right. his knee is worse than we know. the titans know this as was possibly disclosed by the rams thus the extremely low compensation. but then why would the titans want jones? possibly a better scheme fit?

    #151961
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    So the answer is obvious if people got out their emotions.

    well then my guess is jones’ health isn’t right. his knee is worse than we know. the titans know this as was possibly disclosed by the rams thus the extremely low compensation. but then why would the titans want jones? possibly a better scheme fit?

    I don’t think it;s that the knee is bad, but recovering from the knee meant he couldn’t practice and keep up with the younger guys.

    As with all trades, if he doesn’t pass a Titans physical, the deal is probably off.

     

    #151975
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    Felt Football@FeltFootball
    McVay’s reaction to the media yesterday screams to me that he felt like he was being pressured to say something he didn’t want to say…so there’s definitely more to the story than the company line. I will say…I don’t know much about the Falcons ILB situation, but I do find it interesting that Raheem wasn’t interested in adding Jones for next to nothing. That makes me go hmmmm.
    #151978
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    I don’t know much about the Falcons ILB situation, but I do find it interesting that Raheem wasn’t interested in adding Jones for next to nothing. That makes me go hmmmm.

    hmmmm.

    #151983
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    . As of 8/27, there has been nothing to suggest Jones is an asshole, or that the Rams are doing a John Shaw thing.

     

    Dont be bringing up John Shaw.

    OK?

    Cuz I will raise your John Shaw with Jay Zygmunt.   I dont wanna go there, but i will.

     

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