Jimmy Carter on the system

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June 27, 2017 at 12:15 am #70443

wv
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June 27, 2017 at 12:20 am #70444

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One version of the ‘deep state’:

June 27, 2017 at 12:34 am #70445

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Glenn Greenwald on the ‘deep state’

June 27, 2017 at 8:32 pm #70476

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Greenwald underestimates the Russia issue. That drives everything he says. He doesn’t get that foreign governments are seeing Trump as untrustworthy for a lot of reasons, and sharing intel with Russia is one of them.

So I don’t buy that part of his account.

His claim that the intel agencies drive their own policy agenda and it’s undemocratic to let unelected official do that is an old story and of course valid.

I can’t use the term “deep state” because it’s a term that was originally used for far more authoritarian places where, in fact, the entrenched military was the actual power, regardless of any overt pretense to the contrary. That’s just not what’s going on in the USA. The USA is just much trickier and more complicated than that. To me, it’s like calling Nixon a fascist comparable to say Mussolini or Franco. I didn’t like Nixon (though in comparison to today he was positively enlightened in some respects) but no he was not a fascist. In fact he didn’t have to be a fascist, he was a different problem in his own right.

So to me the term sounds like hyperbole along those lines.

The people who complain the most about the “deep state” btw are on the right.

I think it’s a media term for something that is just better talked about in terms of conflicting policies.

I am not going to raise a fuss every time someone uses the term, but I won’t be using it
myself.

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June 28, 2017 at 12:11 am #70483

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wv wrote:

Jimmy Carter Brilliantly Explains How The Establishment Gave Us Trump

In the same vein, this one is old but still interesing.
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