Jimmy Carter and Bernie

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  • #69446
    wv
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    Jimmy on the rise of trump — inequality

    #69449
    zn
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    This is ALL true but it also whitewashes the story because it’s only part of the WHOLE truth.

    If you also do not account for the “muslim scare,” immigrant resentment, backlash on racial issues, etc. then you have not put your finger on the issue.

    This is the american populist formula and it’s OLD. Nothing new here. But. When there’s socio-economic dissatisfaction, and you want people to vote against their own interests, then, you stoke those kinds of fears and prejudices.

    Focus on only one of those 2 things (1. inequality, 2.fears/prejudices), and, you’re just missing everything.

    It’s both and was from the beginning and still is. You cannot separate the 2 issues.

    So how do you beat that? Alliance politics. People with different primary causes unite in commonality. What do I see too often on the left? Division. Going after allies and bashing them because they aren’t pure, or have “the wrong primary cause,” and so on.

    It’s the United States. We are never going to have a majority purist left. The left is a unity of different, even disparate, causes. In-fighting does not help alliances work and alliances are the only way to beat this.

    #69451
    wv
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    Well sure, i agree with that — but I’d just add forming alliances is not easy.
    If it were easy the left would have been more successful over the decades. Its agonizing for me to read/watch/think about all the blowing up the left has done over the decades rather than alliance-building. Probably the easiest example is the old battles inside the Unions back in the 1920’s and 30s. Ya had the ‘liberal’ Union folks fighting the socialist union folks and they just ripped it all to shreds.

    So, i agree alliance building is critical. But so far the only alliance building thats been successful that i can see — is the alliance building the Duplicats have done and the alliance building the Replicants have done.

    The duplicats and replicants are great alliance builders.

    Ah well.

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    #69469
    zn
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    So, i agree alliance building is critical. But so far the only alliance building thats been successful that i can see — is the alliance building the Duplicats have done and the alliance building the Replicants have done.

    Civil rights. Anti-war (Vietnam). Much less dramatic and more incremental than civil rights, there’s also women’s rights and LGBT issues (it’s not 1961 anymore.) Bernie didn’t draw from a single, uniform, homogenous center. Climate change awareness is broad-based. Fight for minimum wage increase is broad-based. There’s growing support for single payer. Resistance to Trumpian economic AND immigration policies is broad-based.

    Party politics and movement politics are different things. The real force for progress in the USA has to do with cause/movement politics. Watch that, and you see things happening.

    It’s negative too—Tea Party, alt-right, NRA, that kind of thing.

    Right now it’s all roiling and boiling. If progressive movement politics gets behind a candidate and wins, then I think there will be enormous change.

    Either way, I would never have predicted 10 years ago that a Sanders would get as far as he did.

    And yes the dem party has been a machine for a long time. Heck I remember the era of Mayor Daley.

    #69477
    Zooey
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    I would never have predicted 10 years ago that a Sanders would get as far as he did.

    Really, any optimism has to live right there.

    His elevation was actually remarkable.

    No party endorsement or support. No financial backing from power interests. Used the word “socialist.” Old guy, fairly high on the Nerd scale.

    And he had a LOT of popular, energetic support.

    #69479
    wv
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    Really, any optimism has to live right there.

    His elevation was actually remarkable.

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    True. Which is why the Dem-machine is
    implementing its anti-bernie strategy.

    We’ll see how it turns out.

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