jeff fisher got extended 2 years

Head coach is less important than talent on the field. Head coach is less important than the collective talent of his staff.

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

He must make the playoffs next year.

Where is that said?

Or is it more speculation from the same people who said he would be fired this year?

It is a one year option. We all know it is going to be ugly next year. It will feel like 16 road games, as Ram fans will be doing other things till Fisher is fired.

InvaderRam wrote:

yeah. it’s sounding like he’s gone. not the biggest loss.

On what basis are you saying that?

On the basis of Vinny’s transparently partisan and obviously bad editorial?

That’s no basis at all.

I think the truth is we don’t know what will happen.

JackPMiller wrote:

Jeff Fisher is not a winner. The last time he had a team in the playoffs was 2008

Yeah that’s what some people always say.

For the record I regard it as bs.

His actually history includes teams that valley then peak. If you look at the valleys there are always reasons. For example only one team in the history of the NFL won while moving, and what tilts Fisher’s record is moving twice.

For another, he has several years there with no qb and to compound it, with multiply injured OLs. No one can name any coach that won under those specific conditions.

And so you do not know what the owner thinks. He might think like you—he might be a Recordite and not a Contextista.

But he might also be a Contextista who believes Fisher CAN win.

So typing up mere opinions as solemn sounding heavy truths aside, I don’t think you have any more clue what SK thinks than I do.

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zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

Jeff Fisher is not a winner. The last time he had a team in the playoffs was 2008

Yeah that’s what some people always say.

For the record I regard it as bs.

His actually history includes teams that valley then peak. If you look at the valleys there are always reasons. For example only one team in the history of the NFL won while moving, and what tilts Fisher’s record is moving twice.

I say bullshit. Six winning seasons in 22 years. That number speaks volumes.

For another, he has several years there with no qb and to compound it, with multiply injured OLs. No one can name any coach that won under those specific conditions.

And so you do not know what the owner thinks. He might think like you—he might be a Recordite and not a Contextista.

But he might also be a Contextista who believes Fisher CAN win.

So typing up mere opinions as solemn sounding heavy truths aside, I don’t think you have any more clue what SK thinks than I do.

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JACK:
Jeff Fisher is not a winner. The last time he had a team in the playoffs was 2008

ZN: Yeah that’s what some people always say.

For the record I regard it as bs.

His actually history includes teams that valley then peak. If you look at the valleys there are always reasons. For example only one team in the history of the NFL won while moving, and what tilts Fisher’s record is moving twice.

For another, he has several years there with no qb and to compound it, with multiply injured OLs. No one can name any coach that won under those specific conditions.

And so you do not know what the owner thinks. He might think like you—he might be a Recordite and not a Contextista.

But he might also be a Contextista who believes Fisher CAN win.

OZONE: I say bullshit. Six winning seasons in 22 years. That number speaks volumes.

Yes. Spoken like a true Recordite. Well I am a Contextista, and to me, when you squash years together to make flat statistical averages, you distort the picture. So for example the record is influenced by the fact that the last and first years were teams that moved, and those (with one exception) never win.

Which one of us is right? The Recordite or the Contextista?

THE REAL TRUTH? In spite of our convictions neither of us really knows. It’s just a clash of opinions.

With this qualification.

Recordites act like Records are The Truth.

Contextistas act like Knowing Contexts is Truer.

To quote Raising Arizona, there’s what’s right, and there’s what’s right, and never the twain shall meet.

JackPMiller wrote:

It has been 8 years since Fishers last winning season.

Jack.

I have some advice for you.

Repeating the same things over and over without actually taking account of responses is not debate. That’s even if you are completely swallowed up in “my opinion is truth”-itis and don’t know how to actually discuss things.

I already responded to every claim you make and you did not respond to the actual response. You don’t’ want to debate, you want to post slogans. Fine. Carry on. But I;m out.

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

It has been 8 years since Fishers last winning season.

Jack.

I have some advice for you.

Repeating the same things over and over without actually taking account of responses is not debate. That’s even if you are completely swallowed up in “my opinion is truth”-itis and don’t know how to actually discuss things.

I already responded to every claim you make and you did not respond to the actual response. You don’t’ want to debate, you want to post slogans. Fine. Carry on. But I;m out.

Forget about the record before coming here. This team has not shown any improvement. I see the same problems, same mistakes, over and over again. All that comes back to coaching. Fisher had 5 years, and has done nothing. I see it getting worse. I believe the fans of LA will not accept it. That is why I believe the home games will feel like road games, because the most Ram fans will not show up. That includes the home opener, next year.

JackPMiller wrote:

zn wrote:

JackPMiller wrote:

It has been 8 years since Fishers last winning season.

Jack.

I have some advice for you.

Repeating the same things over and over without actually taking account of responses is not debate. That’s even if you are completely swallowed up in “my opinion is truth”-itis and don’t know how to actually discuss things.

I already responded to every claim you make and you did not respond to the actual response. You don’t’ want to debate, you want to post slogans. Fine. Carry on. But I;m out.

Forget about the record before coming here. This team has not shown any improvement.

ETC.

Sigh.

Ozoneranger wrote:

More than one head coach has won with less than Fisher has. Billicek won a Super Bowl with street cornerbacks.

The guy had no understanding of offense and does not want to understand offense. The record doesn’t lie.

I look forward to your excuses next year when the Rams go 7-9. If the ball rolls their way.

No head coach anyone can name has won with both an extensive injury plagued OL and qb issues (ie starting #2s and/or a guy like Foles who melted down and got benched then dumped).

Saying other coaches had issues too is too vague. I always focus specifically on the OL/qb issue and no, I can’t think of anyone who won with that particular double whammy.

In 2000, Bellick, btw had one of the top defenses in all NFL history. His superbowl CBs were top notch, particularly McAllister.

So you gave us the Recordite’s “Absolutele Truth Declaration” (ie. records don’t lie). Here’s the Contextista’s “Absolute Truth Declaration”: Actually records don’t say much of anything in themselves, you have to look at the team–different teams can have the same record for completely different reasons.

Oh and btw no one (ie. neither one of us) needs to win this fight. You can always just go ahead and say you don’t care, you don’t like Fisher anyway….and I myself would not complain if he were replaced with a good hire. So I just see this as the traditional broadsides between Recordites and Contextistas.

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Zooey wrote:

And I am something that starts with a P. Was it a Pragmaticite? I’m not sure that’s right.

Anyway, one thing I’m sure of, Fisher will get an extension for two years because that is what makes sense from ownership’s point of view.

Now, when exactly that deal gets done, and when it is announced, I don’t know, but…

What?

Oh, right.

You are a self-declared Pragmeteor.

A pragmaticite is a pragmeteor who burns up in the atmosphere.