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  • #3929
    rfl
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    Just a quick observation about the board’s reaction to pre-season game 1:

    … crickets …

    OK, an exaggeration. But I was struck by how little we had to say. I think there’s a reason for this.

    We all know the score. We know the issues, the pluses, the question marks, with individuals, with units … there’s really nothing more to say UNTIL …

    Until we see if things are gelling, igniting. Or not.

    Obviously, the first game couldn’t really tell us much. Too many people hurt or held back. For many, this made the first game’s indecisive results indicative of very little. Worry warts like me fretted some, but acknowledged the missing veterans. All in all, the game told us little.

    Now, my point in all this is that the board’s reaction reflects the place the team is at. We’ve made genuine progress in almost every area. We have one genuinely superior unit (DL), proven capability in the running game, and realistic potential almost everywhere. We see the building blocks of a contending team.

    But none of it has gelled yet. Last year, the team teased us at times, but it never really came together in the competitive crucible of the league. And that’s the question. Will the potential ignite this year .. or won’t it?

    I think that’s the only real question that matters. Game 1 didn’t show us the answer to that question. Given the guys sitting out, it probably couldn’t.

    Looking ahead, though, I think the pre-season as a whole can and will give us a mighty suggestive indication. Not in the W/L columns. Not so much in specific plus or minus plays by individual players. Not in individual drives or scores made or conceded.

    What I am looking for, as I’ve said before, is the emergence of unmistakable power and excellence, especially on defense, but also in the linkage of our own running and passing games. I want to see a defense which, for periods of time at least, makes us go, “Ohhh … look at that! How is anyone going to score on these guys?” I want to see some drives in which opposing defenses are whipsawed by the combination of a running game pulling PBs up and a passing game pushing them back again. I want to see us asserting our will on opponents and making them blink and back off.

    ‘Cause, see, genuinely contending teams do that. Teams that don’t at best manage mediocrity. No matter what kinds of talent and potential seem to promise more. League history is littered with talented, potential-rich teams that seemed to promise great things but never gelled with the potent will needed to actually win. And its halls of glory are populated by teams which may or may not have been the most talented, but which had the will to win. Anybody remember the Giants beating Denny Green’s 15-1 super team with Randy Moss?

    As for us as a community of fans, there’s nothing specific left to say. We’ve analyzed and evaluated and read the tea leaves with camp observations … and we wait to see if this airplane takes off or just keeps taxiing down the runway. We’ll see, won’t we?

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    #3930
    zn
    Moderator

    Reminds me of a post you wrote in Sept. 99 after the Detroit pre-season game. That was Warner’s first p-s game as a starter after Green went down:

    THIS TEAM RALLIED, BY RAMMED FOR LIFE (Sept 3)

    http://www.geocities.ws/ramsezine/preseason99/this_team_rallied_by_rfl_93.htm

    #3934
    rfl
    Participant

    Wow! Incredible blast from the past. Amazing.

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    #3935
    zn
    Moderator

    Wow! Incredible blast from the past. Amazing.

    The times are obviously very different but you raise similar kinds of concerns about team chemistry.

    Given what I tend to look for, I am not sure I will see the kind of chemistry that tells me a lot until an important regular season game. I thought they had a lot of that going in the 2012 SF game, the one that ended in a tie. But that team has since been hurt and/or inconsistent. So I wait for a future defining game. Not sure we will see that in August.

    #3936
    rfl
    Participant

    Given what I tend to look for, I am not sure I will see the kind of chemistry that tells me a lot until an important regular season game. I thought they had a lot of that going in the 2012 SF game, the one that ended in a tie. But that team has since been hurt and/or inconsistent. So I wait for a future defining game. Not sure we will see that in August.

    I mean, in a sense, you’re certainly correct that pre-season can’t show us what the real season will.

    And I know what you mean about team chemistry. The ’12 team had some of that, and it allowed them to play over their heads. And of course chemistry is part of what I’m talking about.

    Here’s the distinction I would make, though. No matter how much chemistry the ’12 team had, it could not be a real contender. The talent was simply not there. Playing over their heads, they lacked the capability of actually gaining a competitive advantage. They had to hang in there and hope to ride a fine edge. That’s a formula for 2nd or 3rd tier competitiveness, a team nobody enjoys playing, but one that can be beaten by good teams playing only moderately well.

    We’re all hoping that this year, we can compete on the top tier, or damn close to it. That’s what all the 10-6 and playoffs predictions mean.

    So what I saying about this year’s team is different from anything that could have been meaningful for the ’12 team. I’m saying that our talent level has markedly improved almost everywhere. We have realistic potential to be special in a lot of areas. To fulfill that potential, the talent has to A) prove to be real in some cases and B) gel into a synergy that can take a decisive edge in most matchups. That’s what contending teams do.

    A great example is our WR unit. We have all these indications of perhaps dramatic improvement. We all know the drill on that. And I do think we some some modest signs last week. I notice media articles today on the board with very encouraging quotations from organization guys who are excited about Britt, Bailey, and a perhaps blossoming Quick. Theoretically, those 3 guys give us a talent quotient capable of transforming a sorry-assed unit into a productive one.

    And yet, I think of WV saying he’s still a skeptic regarding Quick. And WV has good reason to be skeptical about this guy. 2 years of mediocrity. Can Quick really go from showing flashes in practice into actually beating NFL DBs on a regular basis? Can Britt’s leadership and the eventual addition of Bailey transform this unit into one capable of imposing its will in the league? The answer depends on 2 things: A) is the talent real and 2) can the unit gel?

    If we are to do anything this year, it has to happen in the real season, of course. But I think that, if it is real, we’ll start to see stretches of potency from the group in the pre-season. We need to see Bradford developing bonds with Britt, Quick, and Bailey. If we do see it becoming real, that will be a big indication. If we don’t through all 4 games, there will be reason for concern.

    Anyway, that’s what I am looking for–units of potential galvanizing into real forces.

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    #3940
    zn
    Moderator

    If we are to do anything this year, it has to happen in the real season, of course. But I think that, if it is real, we’ll start to see stretches of potency from the group in the pre-season. We need to see Bradford developing bonds with Britt, Quick, and Bailey. If we do see it becoming real, that will be a big indication. If we don’t through all 4 games, there will be reason for concern.

    Anyway, that’s what I am looking for–units of potential galvanizing into real forces.

    Fair enough.

    This isn’t exactly the terms in which you are speaking, but, it’s my angle on it. I don’t know how far up the WRs can step this year, but even if it’s just some, they together with the running game make it a better offense than last year…and last year they had enough to beat some non-NFC west division winning teams with Clemens at qb.

    I am just spinning off my own direction now, which in posting circles is still actually considered a direct response. im

    But then at the exact same time, having put in my optimistic 2 cents, it’s true that it’s a hard to team judge right now in any exact terms because 2013 was different seasons. The Richardson games without defense, the Bradford/Stacy games with defense, the Clemens/Stacy games with defense but at the end without Long. Bailey showed flashes in half the season, Austin disappointed at first and then flashed a lot and got hurt, the defense started out miserable against the run then became very good against the run. We don’t know how much of the secondary was Walton. We don;t know whether the reports on Britt and Quick foretell how they will play this season. The OL may be injury prone, it may not. It may be deeper than usual even if it is injury prone, but hard to say how deep. I think Bradford has already played well, but then at the same time, it’s hard to gauge his ceiling. I keep going back to 2012 for points of reference, but it’s a different team in a lot of ways from that.

    I think it was John Clayton who said that with a team like this, promising but not proven, you just need one defining confidence building moment to get them to come together. For example in 99, for many, and probably for the team, that moment was the SF game. For a lot of onlookers it was the Titans game, when they showed heart fighting back, even though they didn’t pull it out.

    #3942
    InvaderRam
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    for me personally. i don’t feel like a complete eval could really be done. sam didn’t play. the rams 2 defensive tackles didn’t start. laurinaitis was out. too many missing pieces to even form any sort of opinion. on offense i want to see bradford. i want to see how confident he is in that knee. on defense, i need to see the starting front seven before i have any idea what kind of defense the rams have.

    and we may not even get all that until the regular season starts.

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